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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI've just dipped in now and then today, but I get the sense this thing is about to explode
in so many different directions. Mueller time will (hopefully) be cataclysmic for trump, his family, his inner circle, and a whole lotta complicit republicans.
Our country CAN. NOT. WAIT. It is over time for this piece of shit to be removed from office in any way that will work.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)I'm sorry for being so vulgar. I can be patient and wait a while yet for the Trump saga to get ever more entangled in degenerate sewer slime. Honestly, I think our country and all those Trump voters and deplorable cowardly Republicans that won't stand up to him, need a gigantic dose of his filthy slime. Need to rub their noses in it.
This country is so tired of Trump and his endless vile scandals, that any mediocre Dem with basic human decency and honesty and virtue will be so welcome.
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)the ass of the US. He's an infection that needs to be lanced, scooped out, and disposed of properly so the body can heal.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Popping a dog's anal gland, now that would be a vulgar analogy.
benld74
(9,901 posts)THAT
is this administration AND tRump
Ligyron
(7,616 posts)Hard to unsee and yet I keep watching.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)that has no bottom
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I never thought I would. Relieving impacted anal glands becomes a necessity now and then. And a good dog owner will do it.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)But surely that procedure would have been one of your least favorite and grossest, yet provides the most relief.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)We had to have this done to our male Welsh Springer Spaniel. The vet took care of him. I thought I was going to pass the eff out. For those of you who have never had this unforgettable experience . . . this is NOT for the faint of heart. Trust me. You thought baby poop was bad. This is whole 'nother level of vile and disgusting.
FakeNoose
(32,587 posts)CaliforniaPeggy
(149,525 posts)In any way that will work!
duforsure
(11,884 posts)And the world, and everyone is waiting for the nightmare to end, which can't be soon enough. I hope its sooner than later too. This will doom the Republicans even more the longer this disaster continues, and greatly increase voter turnout to vote all Republicans out of office for what they've done, and for what they've refused to do. If he somehow escapes justice , their party will never be looked at the same after siding with putin and trump over the American people. They may be doomed anyway.
MineralMan
(146,255 posts)The sooner it drains, the better we'll feel.
jalan48
(13,842 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)spawn continue complete denial. they're setting this up for disaster to force compromise.
in any national emergency those 1500 think tank-coordinated stations are the loudest in the country and dems are continuing the biggest political mistake in history by ignoring them.
media is full of talking heads who will be be watching the trump talk radio base go nuts based on the alternate reality which talk radio gods push all day reinforced by kremlin trolling, considering it legitimate 'popular opinion', and they will help the GOP push dems to compromise to 'save the country' etc, which will allow the republicans to escape the total makeover required to get serious about real problems like global warming.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)has been such a catalyst toward the explosion you sense is coming.
Much like adding heat to the climate, or certain chemicals to other certain chemicals will bring about and increase the intensity of the activity.
I do want to caution, tho, from what I can tell this whle thing is far from nearly over, though I do agree there'll be one or more explosions soon. There are so many tentacles, so many players, so much wrongdoing it will likely take years for the entire investigation to end (if it's allowed to continue). I'm hoping that a huge piece on Trump will end relatively soon because I totally agree that the country can't wait -- we must remove him, and soon. Or we won't last as a nation, or certainly not as a democracy.
dameatball
(7,394 posts)However, a good swift kick in the ass and some jail time is a good way to start.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)To protect trump.....never seen before. Something is going to blow big time any day. I gotta a bad feeling
Boomerproud
(7,941 posts)his enablers cannot possibly ever escape and redeem themselves. Air tight, baby.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,164 posts)I remember hearing every day during Bush's last term how any day now they'd all be led away in handcuffs.
Mueller's team just said a few days ago that they wouldn't even be dealing with Flynn for another two months, let alone the Don.
I think one must be mentally prepared for this to go on for another year, maybe longer if the Trump team manage to rally his peons to come out in droves to protect their Dear Leader in the mid terms. Hopefully sooner but I'm not ruling out anything. Like just before any indictments come down, Trump will get Mueller fired. Then it will take months before enough pressure is built on the GOP to allow the investigation to continue but they will fight like dogs for months more in deciding which Trump stooge is best to replace him. Then that appointment will cause friction with Mueller's old team which will delay it all more. If the Dems win the House back a replacement will still be bitterly fought over and dragged out. And when the investigation finally gets back on track, there will be some new strategy, maybe a declared war, to derail it further.
If I am wrong, and Trump is forced out of office sooner, I'll be happy then.
BigmanPigman
(51,567 posts)Your post is spot on. With the GOP putting Party Over Country we are pretty much screwed. Even if we win the midterms the Dem House could impeach him but the GOP Senate will never convict him, never EVER! Mueller has enough on his plate to keep him going until next Spring easily. I want this over and done with ASAP but the country will take 20 years to recover from this fiasco.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)And if I was a deplorable I would be satisfied with my choice of trump
It will be slow and as any criminal who does not want his day in court it will be nothing but stall stall stall on the trump side more time for this more time for that
If something happens early that's nice but I'm not waiting on it .
I am waiting on 11/20 it will help and maybe cause a resignation
although he seems erratic enough to push some kind of civil unrest instead . And still , house can't do it alone .
They will go to the stupid and absurd to obstruct at this desperate point. At some point like many crooks his age he will maybe have some fake episode that will delay because of health , all sort of scams , he already was able to cop two doctors who would fake it for him.
I've seen mob trial ploys before & crooks can get inventive . Trump is not so smart but he will try.
I saw recently somewhere a story about a guy who didn't want to go to court, so every court date his girlfriend called in a bomb threat to the court house and they would have to close down and reschedule him
Yes , really stupid he got caught , but I would guess that trump would read that and think it's a great idea
NRaleighLiberal
(60,006 posts)meaning I could be completely (and sadly) wrong!
LiberalLovinLug
(14,164 posts)Its so tempting to believe that the alarm clock to this national nightmare is set to start ringing any second. And we will all wake up very soon to rainbows and a Democratic majority.
I don't blame you. We all need a bit of hope. I've just learned to temper my expectations after W "won" his second term, so I don't go into a crushing depression if it turns out not the way we want. After feeling the hit after the last election, I don't think I could take another one on that scale
quartz007
(1,216 posts)We are just having some much deserved fun about the giant boil being popped.
WestMichRad
(1,317 posts)...and just keeps getting stinkier every day. But if there is anything that team trumpwad is highly skilled at doing, it's delay and obfuscation. And with the republicking legislature running interference, i won't be surprised to see this drag on at least until after the mid-term elections, and maybe beyond that.
Wish I could be more optimistic, but the corruption, it appears to run so deep....
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)and getting someone else he installs as acting AG to fire Mueller. The only question is, what will the Republicans in Congress do then? If it's allowed to stand, the USA is officially over.
ffr
(22,665 posts)Fixed. McConnell, Ryan, Pence, Sessions and anyone who has ever broken bread with them.
LOCK THEM UP!
Ligyron
(7,616 posts)It does feel like if we don't do something, they will. And soon.
As long as Mueller is in place to do his job, all will be well eventually. If they manage to shut it down somehow, any criminality will still be exposed, but...
Already Ghouli- anny is saying Sessions needs to un-recuse and step in to obstruct justice. Team Mueller needs to lay something heavy on the American public, like when he indicted those Russians. THAT, shut them up for awhile and made it hard for them to say "nothing here" folks, it's a witch hunt.
quartz007
(1,216 posts)Not likely. Earliest possible date for that legislation would be February 2019, when the congress turns democratic majority.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)But it could fester for a while.
alwaysinasnit
(5,059 posts)Unless Pence is taken out at the same time, we will get an extreme, evangelical fundamentalist running the show. Somehow, I am more afraid of Pence at the helm than I am of tRump because Pence actually looks reasonable in comparison so some of the extreme shit he may come up with will not be opposed.
Or am I just being paranoid?
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/mike-pence-thinks-become-president-soon/
quartz007
(1,216 posts)madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)quartz007
(1,216 posts)but then you must have some evidence? Please tell more!
Then we can get rid of both tRump & Pens.
madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)quartz007
(1,216 posts)PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)He does not have the con man's charisma of Trump that will make Pence be the focus of the media day in and day out, 24/7 like Trump. Pence has almost no charisma and was very unpopular in red evangelical Indiana before Trump chose him as VP.
Trump already has evangelicals in his pocket, so that will not be a big difference with Pence.
If Trump resigns or is forced out and Pence becomes president, he will be a wounded lame duck and likely would not run again in 2020 because he'll have been tainted by Trump and the train wreck and chaos around Trump.
alwaysinasnit
(5,059 posts)Religious extremists scare me more than narcissistic, sociopaths.
AllaN01Bear
(17,993 posts)ps: they also have been going off since nixon.
hurple
(1,306 posts)EVERYTHING to come out.
ALL of it.
In big, bold, annotated, referenced, footnoted, undeniable bushels of facts. I want video, audio, documents. I want such clear-cut, absolute irrefuttable evidence that even the most brainwashed trumpie can't deny the reality.
I want them so ashamed that they ever supported this mess that they crawl back under their bridges and go back to just terrorizing goats.
But, that's just my 2 cents.
Brother Buzz
(36,379 posts)Developments are accelerating at an incredible pace.
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)tRumps presence in the White House, along with his entire administration, is a cancer on our government. It will eat away and undermine us until we are destroyed. It has already done damage as all cancers are prone to do. But we can still survive this if we have the treatment to rid us of the disease. tRump is the tumor, but like the crab that a cancer represents, our problem has tentacles that go out throughout our government. Every department and branch has been invaded. It has metastasized quickly and viciously. Like a growing cancer, the burden that the cancer puts on every organ in the body, this cancerous invasion by tRump will eventually be too much. And we will not survive.
I am not being overly dramatic for the sake of drama. I see no sign that the Congress is doing anything to save us. I see no sign that tRump will stop doing the things that are destroying us from within. The longer he remains in place, the longer he can work with impunity to undermine us and aggrandize himself. So we delay dealing with this issue at our peril. Those that say well, we will oust him when the Democrats take over in a few months (provided elections are allowed to proceed as usual), are ignoring the fact that even waiting that short time may be a fatal mistake.
I have no idea how we will get out of this dangerous situation. There seem to be no easy answers. But delay, wait and see will not serve us well. That part is clear.
elocs
(22,542 posts)built solid brick by brick. It will take as long as it takes and I'd rather have it done well than fast.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)What sites have you been hanging on, NRaleigh? WE CANNOT REMOVE TRUMP BEFORE WE TAKE CONTROL OF CONGRESS. But this is worse than just stupid talk.
I suggest you take a long, cool look at who this inflammatory rhetoric benefits. Because NOTHING is more likely to anger Republicans into turning out in large numbers to vote than premature calls for removing the president they elected.
Until then, we need to wait and, above all, stop carrying kerosene for the GOP and Kremlin.
COUNTDOWN TO THE MIDTERMS: 186 days!
NRaleighLiberal
(60,006 posts)tumor must be removed. 186 more days of destruction is 186 days too many. Lives are being affected. Done playing nice here.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)by doing exactly what they want and desperately need if they're to turn this wave around.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,006 posts)demmiblue
(36,823 posts)That one is a special sort of, ahem, something... best to ignore.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The appeals have become a surefire way for candidates to raise small contributions from grass-roots conservatives who are devoted to Mr. Trump, veteran Republican fund-raisers say.
But party strategists also believe that floating the possibility of impeachment can also act as a sort of scared-straight motivational tool for turnout.
Last week, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas used his re-election kickoff rally to introduce a video featuring a faux news anchor reading would-be headlines were conservatives not to vote in November: Senate Majority Leader Schumer announced the impeachment trial of President Trump, one of the anchors says.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/08/us/politics/trump-impeachment-midterms.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/04/midterms-impeachment/557609/
The survey finds that 47 percent of registered voters would definitely vote against a candidate who wanted to remove Trump from office, while 42 percent would definitely vote for a candidate who would make such a promise. Forty-seven percent of independent voters whose opinions could be decisive also say they would vote against candidates favoring impeachment.
https://www.npr.org/2018/04/18/603408469/npr-pbs-newshour-marist-poll-pushing-impeachment-would-backfire-on-democrats-in
So what could turn this around? What could build Republican intensity and turnout to something comparable to what seems to be forming for Democrats? There seems to be three possibilities: guns, impeachment, and a Supreme Court vacancy.
As for impeachment, one of the best reporters on the political beat, Jonathan Martin of The New York Times, wrote Sunday that GOP leaders see the issue as a potentially potent one to energize the Trump base on behalf of the Republican Congress. ...
President Trumps job approval among Republicans and independents who lean Republican was 84 percent, with a disapproval of just 15 percent. ... For the electorate as a whole, Trump today is a net liability, but to the extent that the Left pushes impeachment and Republicans can amplify that threat to conservatives, we could see the energy levels of the two sides come more into balance, something that can make a real difference, particularly when pollsters screen down to sample just likely voters.
http://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/three-turnout-wild-cards-guns-impeachment-and-scotus
By and large, candidates (following the advice of congressional Democratic leaders) are avoiding the question or addressing it indirectly by talking about holding Trump accountable or upholding the rule of law or pledging to investigate Trumpian actions that congressional Republicans are ignoring.
One argument made by progressive opinion-leader Markos Moulitsas is that by focusing on driving Trump from office, Democrats would be passing up more effective messages that take advantage of the Republican Partys unpopularity.
Journalist Elizabeth Drew contends that Democrats shouldnt go there until there is the kind of bipartisan support that led to Richard Nixons impeachment and resignation. And the extreme improbability of a Senate conviction of Trump even if hes impeached is a broadly shared concern. Do Democrats really want to excite the base by making a promise they are in no position to keep?
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/04/why-republicans-are-talking-so-much-about-impeaching-trump.html
Trump supporters consider the president under siege. They are livid that Democrats have blocked his agenda and indeed the functioning of the government through their brick wall of resistance.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/04/13/democrats-are-eager-to-impeach-trump-heres-why-their-dream-could-backfire-big-time.html
...some of the lessons of Watergate should worry Trump opponents more than soothe them.
Thats because the Watergate affair turned conservative skeptics of Richard Nixon into hardcore supporters, drawing out the immediate crisis and deepening divisions in the long term. Conservatives at the time refashioned the scandal into a tale of Democratic hypocrisy and media hostility a narrative that many Republicans have adopted once again to explain away the emerging Trump scandals.
In perhaps the boldest stroke of all, when the evidence of Nixons wrongdoing became undeniable, the right attributed the presidents crimes to the growing institutional power of the presidency making Watergate, in a sense, a liberal scandal after all.
Until the very end, Watergate gave Nixon a stature on the right that he had previously lacked.
https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/5/12/15630372/watergate-impeachment-conservative-public-opinion-trump-history
Kaleva
(36,251 posts)Not actual evidence to support your claims. The special elections are showing that the Dems are energised while the Repubs are depressed.
Kaleva
(36,251 posts)We've been flipping seats in special elections and the Repubs are being forced to defend once safe seats.
Dems are energised nationwide.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,006 posts)Blue Owl
(50,263 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)I think that Mueller is handling it about as well as anyone could, and that's going to mean dotting every goddamned i. He's building a case that's gotta be airtight, watertight, bulletproof, ray-shielded, particle-shielded and TEMPEST-hardened. What he produces is going to be pretty much perfect, and unfortunately will involve a lot of legalese that Fox News and their captive Congresscritters will begin deliberately misinterpreting immediately.
He'll be backed by statements and leaks from several state-level investigations, and the extent of Trump's corruption will be hard to deny--or would be in a sane reality. Our eggs are very nearly in that one basket, unfortunately, with Congress and the judiciary almost hopelessly compromised and a public confused by deliberate disinformation.
I want to believe that Trump will have to resign, or that Congress can be forced to consider impeachment, but how creatively can they reinterpret "high crimes and misdemeanors" to exempt him?
LittleGirl
(8,279 posts)But WTF is it going to take to get that maniac out of our WH?