Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
Fri May 4, 2018, 04:01 PM May 2018

Before you freak out on the judge's questions in Manafort case in VA...

...read this.

<snip>Ellis’ comments, however, do not portend failure for Mueller’s prosecution of Manafort. For one, Mueller’s team has also brought money laundering and illegal-lobbying charges filed against Manafort in a D.C. federal court; while Manafort made similar arguments there about Mueller’s ostensible lack of authority, the D.C. judge seemed much more skeptical of his reasoning than Ellis did. Moreover, Ellis noted that his remarks did not indicate that the charges against Manafort were “illegitimate,” suggesting that perhaps they could be handled more appropriately by the local U.S. attorney’s office.

Yet Ellis’ apparent objections to the special counsel’s prosecution are profoundly flawed and unlikely to be upheld on appeal should he rule in Manafort’s favor. When Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein appointed Mueller to investigate potential collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, he licensed Mueller to look into “any matters that arose or may arise directly from” that investigation. Mueller was also licensed to investigate “any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump.” Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman, was clearly an individual “associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump” and this case obviously delves into “links” between him and the Russian government. Since that initial appointment order, Rosenstein has also expressly authorized Mueller to investigate any crimes Manafort may have committed “arising out of payments he received from the Ukrainian government.” One of those alleged crimes was bank fraud, which was necessary to launder money—the charges at the heart of Mueller’s prosecution of Manafort in Virginia federal court.<snip>

Link:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/05/why-a-judge-challenged-muellers-authority-to-charge-manafort.html

7 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Before you freak out on the judge's questions in Manafort case in VA... (Original Post) louis c May 2018 OP
Judges will frequently pelt attorney's for one side with devil's advocate positions from the other. Tommy_Carcetti May 2018 #1
I suspect that will be the outcome, providing Trump with another procon May 2018 #2
I agree, but... louis c May 2018 #3
I will say this every chance I get genxlib May 2018 #4
Well said and it bears repeating!! Docreed2003 May 2018 #5
For this thread Gothmog May 2018 #6
From my twitter feed Gothmog May 2018 #7

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,171 posts)
1. Judges will frequently pelt attorney's for one side with devil's advocate positions from the other.
Fri May 4, 2018, 04:02 PM
May 2018

It doesn't necessarily mean that the judge will rule against that side.

It will be hilarious if and when Judge Ellis rules for the prosecution after Trump praised him.

procon

(15,805 posts)
2. I suspect that will be the outcome, providing Trump with another
Fri May 4, 2018, 04:15 PM
May 2018

opportunity for a tweetstorm or a photo op so he can blame Hillary Clinton, Obama, the media, Democrats, Frederick Douglass and organic arugula.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
3. I agree, but...
Fri May 4, 2018, 04:16 PM
May 2018

the political comments about going after Trump and the "unfettered authority" seemed unnecessary as just a "devil's advocate".

I am encouraged by the author's conclusion that a dismissal in the Manafort in VA can not survive an appeal.

genxlib

(5,524 posts)
4. I will say this every chance I get
Fri May 4, 2018, 04:27 PM
May 2018

The Clinton inquisition started with a land deal and ended with a blowjob.

Anyone attempting to limit the scope of this investigation can kiss my ass.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Before you freak out on t...