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babylonsister

(171,049 posts)
Fri May 4, 2018, 08:28 PM May 2018

Why Hawaii's Newest Eruption Makes Volcanologists Nervous

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/05/why-hawaiis-newest-eruption-makes-volcanologists-nervous/559685/

Why Hawaii's Newest Eruption Makes Volcanologists Nervous
“There’s not a lot of words to capture a gradual, slow-developing disaster like this.”


A plume of ash rises from Kilauea Volcano on May 3, 2018. USGS / Reuters

Robinson Meyer 3:57 PM ET Science


An ordinary American neighborhood has been evacuated ... because of a volcano.

On Thursday evening, Hawaii County ordered roughly 1,500 people near Pahoa, Hawaii, to leave their homes. The cause: A new lava fissure opened on Kilauea, a massive volcano in the southeast of the state’s Big Island. Lava from the fissure has come within several hundred yards of homes, threatening two subdivisions in the area. The fissure is also releasing toxic amounts of sulfur dioxide, according to Hawaii News Now.

A ponderous lava flow, moving through trees: It’s not exactly the sudden explosion that many Americans imagine when they hear the words volcanic eruption. But for exactly that reason, “it’s the kind of eruption that makes volcanologists nervous,” says Erik Klemetti, a volcanologist at Denison University.

Right now, the U.S. Geological Survey is still trying to understand the new fissure. If the lava flow stabilizes, residents could return to unharmed homes in a week or two. But if the new fissure follows a pattern set by other fissures on Kilauea, then the evacuation could “last for a prolonged period of time,” says Klemetti.

And “because it tends to fall out of public view, it can have a long-term impact on the communities,” he says. It’s happened several times before.

Kilauea is “unlike a lot of volcanoes because it’s a shield volcano”—meaning it has long, sloping sides—“and because it’s huge,” Klemetti says. “The scale of it is hard to comprehend until you’re on the volcano and you realize you can drive 20 miles and still be on the volcano.”

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For now, it’s too early to know what the new lava fissure will mean for Leilani Estates. “It might be at least months of lava flows. Or it might just end now,” Klemetti says. “There’s a likelihood that this is the establishment of a new lava-flow field and that it might be in action for a while.”

“There’s not a lot of words to capture a gradual, slow-developing disaster like this,” he tells me. “Even disaster doesn’t seem like the right word, because it implies something instantaneous or rapidly developing—and this isn’t. But it will still be quite a disaster for people whose homes are taken out.”


https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/05/why-hawaiis-newest-eruption-makes-volcanologists-nervous/559685/
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Why Hawaii's Newest Eruption Makes Volcanologists Nervous (Original Post) babylonsister May 2018 OP
We've had Two Earthquakes Friday, With the Last One Registering 6.9 Ccarmona May 2018 #1
Thanks for checking in. Lucky you!! You could be giving us babylonsister May 2018 #2
6.9 is pretty big. BigmanPigman May 2018 #3
Tsunamis are the least of their worries right now. B2G May 2018 #5
I Respectfully Beg to Differ Ccarmona May 2018 #7
The quakes are related to volcanic activity. B2G May 2018 #9
I'm Well Aware of the Earthquakes' origin, but living 250 yards from the Ocean Here on Maui Ccarmona May 2018 #10
I'm talking about the immediate threat. B2G May 2018 #11
Logic ... Civic Justice May 2018 #4
As I said.... Civic Justice May 2018 #36
Does insurance cover losses caused by a volcano? procon May 2018 #6
If you build in a volcanic area you usually cannot get homeowner's insurance. Coventina May 2018 #8
I live on a pyroclastic volcano mchill May 2018 #18
Sort of like building in a flood plain n2doc May 2018 #12
Or on just about any coast a few decades ago. babylonsister May 2018 #13
Who knew? B2G May 2018 #14
Big picture: hurricanes in the babylonsister May 2018 #16
NE US hurricanes were unheard of? B2G May 2018 #17
Stop! The severity of them is what is different. babylonsister May 2018 #21
Stop? B2G May 2018 #24
Hmmm. I always babylonsister May 2018 #25
I had a federal job on a volcano mchill May 2018 #19
Sometimes you just do the best you can B2G May 2018 #23
Replying to the person who said it wasn't smart mchill May 2018 #27
Completely agree. B2G May 2018 #30
Did you build there? n2doc May 2018 #32
And sadly mchill May 2018 #20
Dammit, that sucks. nt babylonsister May 2018 #22
Just make sure you have all your precious malaise May 2018 #34
I feel so bad for those Cha May 2018 #15
People underestimate lava floods because they're slow events wonkwest May 2018 #26
I actually looked up to see if Volcanologists was really a word. milestogo May 2018 #28
6.9 is pretty strong raven mad May 2018 #29
That is scary as hell! kentuck May 2018 #31
Something called "Volcano Monitoring" ThoughtCriminal May 2018 #33
My wife and I were going to the Big Island next month. Not now. VOX May 2018 #35
 

Ccarmona

(1,180 posts)
1. We've had Two Earthquakes Friday, With the Last One Registering 6.9
Fri May 4, 2018, 08:36 PM
May 2018

So far the quakes have been shallow and haven’t caused any Tsunamis. I’m on Maui, and didn’t feel them, but EMS activation took place, then cancelled.

babylonsister

(171,049 posts)
2. Thanks for checking in. Lucky you!! You could be giving us
Fri May 4, 2018, 08:41 PM
May 2018

updates when they happen.

6.9 is nothing to sneeze at; stay safe, Hawaii.

 

Ccarmona

(1,180 posts)
7. I Respectfully Beg to Differ
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:02 PM
May 2018

The Eruption area is relatively small when compared to the Pacific Rim. There are Thousands of Miles of shoreline and millions of people that could be affected by a Tsunami.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
9. The quakes are related to volcanic activity.
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:08 PM
May 2018

I doubt they are the types that will generate a tsunami of any significance. They are close to shore and shallow.

 

Ccarmona

(1,180 posts)
10. I'm Well Aware of the Earthquakes' origin, but living 250 yards from the Ocean Here on Maui
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:21 PM
May 2018

It’s ALWAYS a cause for concern and on our minds. We have monthly test alerts, an evacuation plan and two weeks of supplies to take with us, if the sirens wail.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
11. I'm talking about the immediate threat.
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:25 PM
May 2018

I understand that tsunamis are a constant concern.

Stay safe.

 

Civic Justice

(870 posts)
4. Logic ...
Fri May 4, 2018, 08:50 PM
May 2018
The crust and the upper layer of the mantle together make up a zone of rigid, brittle rock called the Lithosphere . The layer below the rigid lithosphere is a zone of asphalt-like consistency called the Asthenosphere . The asthenosphere is the part of the mantle that flows and moves the plates of the Earth.



thus so... we can likely expect some "earthquakes" in other regions of the world to be high on the seismic scales. when, "unknown", but likely not long after this...

We must consider as well, Yellowstone's Largest Geyser Erupts 3 Times in the past two months....

both... over such distance apart has scientist baffled... surely, they understand the dynamics of the earth's plates, are all part of the "earth's make up". Maybe we should think on terms of a single unit, then we may be able to factor the global scale and the correlations.

procon

(15,805 posts)
6. Does insurance cover losses caused by a volcano?
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:00 PM
May 2018

It would be terrible to lose your home and everything in it, but even worse if those people have to walk away with nothing. They'd still owe on a mortgage, so they would probably never recover.

Coventina

(27,088 posts)
8. If you build in a volcanic area you usually cannot get homeowner's insurance.
Fri May 4, 2018, 09:07 PM
May 2018

The benefit is that the land is usually cheaper.

But, that's small consolation when everything you own is swallowed by Madame Pele.

mchill

(1,017 posts)
18. I live on a pyroclastic volcano
Fri May 4, 2018, 11:30 PM
May 2018

Like Mt Saint Helens. Can't get "volcanic" insurance per say. If one's house catches on fire first, then fire insurance covers. If an earthquake ruins it before ash and floods hit, then ok, I guess. I think people living on volcanos need to form a lobbying group. One can get insurance for earthquakes, but that was once not true. It's tough.

babylonsister

(171,049 posts)
16. Big picture: hurricanes in the
Fri May 4, 2018, 11:13 PM
May 2018

NE US, unheard of before. Lots of weird weather and activities. I bet it gets worse. Pretty much everywhere. I hope I'm wrong.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
17. NE US hurricanes were unheard of?
Fri May 4, 2018, 11:28 PM
May 2018

No. Please do some research.

And what does that have to do with an active volcano erupting?




babylonsister

(171,049 posts)
21. Stop! The severity of them is what is different.
Fri May 4, 2018, 11:36 PM
May 2018

Having been raised in NY, I have weathered hurricanes.

The weather is changing everywhere.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
24. Stop?
Fri May 4, 2018, 11:43 PM
May 2018

You're the one who started discussing the weather on a thread about earthquakes and volcanos.

babylonsister

(171,049 posts)
25. Hmmm. I always
Fri May 4, 2018, 11:48 PM
May 2018

combined earthquakes and volcanoes under weather in my mind. Forces of nature that can't be controlled.

mchill

(1,017 posts)
19. I had a federal job on a volcano
Fri May 4, 2018, 11:32 PM
May 2018

There was no place to move, off the volcano, or outside of former debris flows, that was a reasonable commute. What does one do in that case?

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
23. Sometimes you just do the best you can
Fri May 4, 2018, 11:41 PM
May 2018

And not blame the universe when things don't turn out so great.

mchill

(1,017 posts)
27. Replying to the person who said it wasn't smart
Sat May 5, 2018, 01:35 AM
May 2018

People choose to live where there are earthquakes, tornados, tsunamis, flood plains, volcanos, fire, landslides. It’s not about not being smart. Sometimes it’s where the jobs are, where one can afford, etc..

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
32. Did you build there?
Sat May 5, 2018, 11:43 AM
May 2018

I don't blame those who rented there. But building there is just like building on a superfund site, or next to a coal mine, or on a barrier island. The risks are there and very apparent.

mchill

(1,017 posts)
20. And sadly
Fri May 4, 2018, 11:35 PM
May 2018

If you take a job in the Hilo area for the federal government (I live elsewhere on the mainland), the only place one could afford to live on a federal salary is Leilani Estates.

Cha

(297,029 posts)
15. I feel so bad for those
Fri May 4, 2018, 10:46 PM
May 2018

who have to abandon their homes and stay in shelters, because of earthquakes and the Kilauea Volcano erupting!

Quite the Plume.. I wish the best Aloha

 

wonkwest

(463 posts)
26. People underestimate lava floods because they're slow events
Fri May 4, 2018, 11:52 PM
May 2018

Probably the most famous one in relatively recent history was the late 18th century eruption of Laki in Iceland. It disgorged nearly 15 cubic kilometers of lava, but it was over a period of eight months.

Not all volcanic disasters are massive eruptions with ash columns, landslides, or pyroclastic flows. Some unfold over time. Hopefully, Kilauea is just burping a bit.

Fun fact: There are now submerged Hawaiian islands "trailing" behind the above water chain. The reason there are volcanoes on Hawaii is because the tectonic plate is constantly moving over a hot plume in the mantle. Once the current Hawaiian Islands move away from the plume, the current islands will erode/sink and new islands will eventually take their place.

Neat graphic of it here where you can see the long trail of the islands that used to be Hawaii millions of years ago:

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
28. I actually looked up to see if Volcanologists was really a word.
Sat May 5, 2018, 01:40 AM
May 2018

And it is. But they should have come up with something cooler that nobody would know what it was.

Vulcanologists?

Lavalogists?

Magmologists?

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
29. 6.9 is pretty strong
Sat May 5, 2018, 02:43 AM
May 2018

in a populated area. Up here, we're also part of the "Ring of Fire", but with a small, scattered population and no "big" cities, we're lucky.

Best of good karma to the Big Island.

kentuck

(111,069 posts)
31. That is scary as hell!
Sat May 5, 2018, 09:41 AM
May 2018

Nobody knows when or where the ground might just open up. It is so unpredictable.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
33. Something called "Volcano Monitoring"
Sat May 5, 2018, 08:23 PM
May 2018

Remember Bobby Jindal? But here we had a Governor of Louisiana that apparently didn't know why stream gages were also important.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
35. My wife and I were going to the Big Island next month. Not now.
Sat May 5, 2018, 08:30 PM
May 2018

We like the Kona Coast of the Big Island (west coast, on the other side of the island from the volcano), It's still got some old-school funkiness and isn't yet overrun with skyscrapers and freeways like Oahu. The Big Island has some of the best snorkeling spots in the entire chain. The bay by the Captain Cook Monument is especially favorable.

Unfortunately, when Kilauea fires up, it blankets the island with a steamy overcast, or "vog," as it's known locally. We had to cancel, which is a far cry from the troubles that the locals are having.

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