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Michael Harriot
Whenever I am asked why I believe everyone who supports Donald Trump is a racist, I explain it by using the legal doctrine of the hand of one is the hand of all and the story of Ryan Holle.
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Donald Trump is a racist.
Everyone knows this. His hate for people of color has been well-known for 45 years, since he was sued by the federal government for housing discrimination in 1973. Twenty-nine years ago he solidified his racism by buying full-page ads asking for the death penalty for the Central Park Five. On the day he announced his presidency, he called Mexicans rapists. His first act as president was to try to ban Muslims from entering the country. The list is too long to itemize even the highlights, but its safe to say that Trumps racism is a well-established fact.
For most black people, racism is an irredeemable, inexcusable sin from which there is no bouncing back. You can give to the needy, solve world hunger and figure out how to make Kool-Aid that tastes like fried chicken, but if you do some racist shit, you are forever crossed off the list.
For white people, it is different.
Even worse, they vote for a man who embraces, regurgitates and spreads hate. They can reason that they voted for Trump because of his business acumen, their dislike for Hillary Clinton, or white working-class something, disaffected middle-America yada yada yada ... But they are still aware of the undisputed existence of Trumps bigotry. For this reason, there is only one way to describe a Trump supporter:
A racist.
To actively support Donald Trump is an act of racism, whether such act is committed by Kanye West, Omarosa Manigault Newman or David Duke. When Trump tweets to Kanye, he is wielding Kanyes blackness as a weapon against black people. Trump knows this. His supporters know it. Even his son, whose IQ is lower than Kellyanne Conways, knows this.
Read more: https://www.theroot.com/once-more-for-the-people-in-the-back-anyone-who-suppor-1825581670
Afromania
(2,768 posts)These Dathans' are all about the same thing. Standing on the neck of their peers while saying "look boss, I can be a good dog for you. Please let me have a better station closer to you because I'm better than they are."
Caliman73
(11,730 posts)I might even say that I can understand the pull to want to align yourself with the dominant culture. However, to actually do it, you are making a choice and should not be surprised if you get lumped in with the other deplorables when the dust settles.
kimbutgar
(21,130 posts)He really thinks we black people are stupid.
He had Omorasa..then got Kayne. He now has two. He doubled.
Except I think he lost Omarosa...that brings him back down to one if you don't count the paid supporters at his rallies.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Zero respect.
They saw a man who mocked a disabled man, attacked Gold Star parents for disagreeing with him, demonized Latinos and Muslims, stirred up Neo-Nazis and other white-supremacists, turned his rallies into violent lynch mobs, and bragged about sexually assaulting women. And that's just before the election.
So many people saw this behavior, rationalized it, and checked the box for him.
And I find it hard to be remotely civil around people like that. And I certainly cannot respect them.
I don't want to hear about "economic anxiety." I have plenty of economic anxiety, but I did the right fucking thing, and voted for Hillary instead of that psychopathic, brain-damaged piece of shit.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Yet we didnt line up to support Trump.
You know why? Because black people recognize racism when we see and hear it and we dont vote for racists.
And you know what else? White people recognize racism when they see and hear it, too. And most white people who arent racist dont vote for racists. And white people who arent racists dont continue to support racists long after his racism had been out on front street on full display.
If anyone is still supporting him, they dont get to claim its economic anxiety and they dont get to pretend theyre not racists. They had until December 31, 2017 (my deadline) to figure it out and walk away. Now its too late. Theyre stuck on the other side with the racist president and the rest of his racist supporters. And they need to stay their asses over there.
Its very simple.
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)And wrote an article for The Root saying he can never vote for her.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)We need to be honest and avoid demonizing half the nation. What's happening is way bad as itis, and there can be no happy ending for a whole nation that's fallen into trumpster-dumpster thinking.
They, his supporters are the blatantly obvious ones. The others...not so obvious...or so they think.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Only for some was it the big driver. We really need to unite against them, and a winning majority requires uniting with those who lack race-based malice.
We can go way overboard in attributing all actions that adversely affect PoC entirely to racism and despising most people as a result. There is no happy ending that route.
My objection to that wypepl thing is to its being brought here. I have no big problem with mostly decent PoC chortling over lightly malicious racial insults among each other -- as long as they behave decently to others otherwise. People need room to act like...people.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)It goes far beyond....
It goes far beyond POC. Correct, it isn't JUST the racism it is the effect of racism on their safety to walk down a street. How much they can make, how they can excell in a job. It is about woman of all colors that have been demoralized by this president. He thinks of as brainless pussies that he can grab at will. The man hates woman. Fact. His warped belief that he is better and brighter than the rest of us shows his ignorance and his white fucking priveledged ego. His fans laughed and cheered when trump did his flippy floppy image of a reporter that was disabled. His fans roared their support.
I have no use for anyone of them. They made their choice. Done with them all.
Their hatred rules them, it does not rule us.
GOTV 2018.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)even the "better" ones enabled. But the point is that you are NOT done with them at all.
Roughly half of all American voters voted Republican -- for various reasons -- and will again in November. And in 2020 and 2080. They are part of us and they will change with changes of leadership, but they'll never go away. Right now we hope to heck just a couple percent who don't like what's happening in their party vote with us and another couple percent are discouraged into not voting at all.
It's easy to be overcome with contempt, and fear, for what they've done, for whatever reasons. Who isn't, and no excuses regardless of reasons. But what's to be gained by embracing contempt and implacable rejection? Virtue is marshalling the self control needed to shut-mouth and encourage the few who finally have had too much of what their party has come to. 30 years late, but hey. Each vote not cast for the GOP is 1 off their total.
The Obamas are probably invited to McCain's funeral. As a leader of what's happened on the right for decades, he has my contempt, no excuses, and is certainly deserving of theirs. But if invited, they'll go smiling among that crowd of conservatives, smiles far more sincere for some than others, and pay their "respects" because that's what people in their position who are fighting for equality do.
Aren't we all in their position to some degree?
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)after them. If they change their minds and want to vote Democratic, by all means, theyre welcome to do so. But we have too many things to do, real, solid, definite Democratic voters to mobilize and protect to expend any of our precious time and resources running around after these people begging them to vote for us.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)our nation now and feeling a clutch at your heart at what will happen if they are able to hold onto and consolidate power? I have insomnia, and these are the worries that come in the night for me.
You're right that we have a huge job to do, no nonsense about that, but peeling off a critical few percentages from the right has to be part of it.
Of course, that's more immediate to some of us than lucky blue-state Dems. I live in one of the most conservative districts in the nation. A third of all Georgians may be black, but not in this county. Sometimes our Dems haven't even come up with someone willing to do a token run for congress. But this time we have two, currently battling each other in the primary. We've actually gotten a robo-call from each. Amazing!
Didn't pay attention to specifics about the first, but the second one promised this district's voters to support the Green New Deal and Medicare for all issues, and specifically to work for "compassion and cooperation" in government. I was listening for that last because a version of it helped persuade some conservatives to vote for a Democratic senator in Alabama. "Compassion," of course, includes social justice issues while carefully avoiding Republican trigger words for wedge issues.
Neither are going to win here unless the incumbent is found diddling someone's two-year-old, but I love that they are trying to woo conservatives with a choice of Democratic issues and ideals that appeal to many of them also.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)any fear of them as individuals.
We dont need to peel them off in order to be successful. We have more than enough votes among sane people who, we dont have to worry will flip right back the minute they dont get their way.
As I said, they are free to come over to the light if they like. But I am not interested in watching my party ignore and take for granted solid Democrats in order to attract people who dont vote Democratic largely because the dont like Democratic positions on social issues. And the insistence that Im supposed to waste a second of my time chasing around after bigots and idiots is insulting.
Anyone who says they voted for Obama twice and then voted for Trump s either lying or stupid. And if theyre not lying, they cant be trusted to vote right - not just in subsequent elections but even in this one. If they are so easily swayed that they could go from voting for a liberal, African-American president to lining up with Nazis and the KKK yo vote for an ignorant, hateful, traitorous unmitigated bigot, I dont trust them to keep their shit together long enough to vote Democratic when they get in the polling booth. Given how fickle they are, all it would take is for them to have a conversation with the Trumpster next to them in line to swing them back the other way.
No, thank you. Feel free to chase them around and beg them to see the light to your hearts content. But Im not going to waste a second of my time trying to win over people who dont vote with me because of ME and all of the thats not fair. give them a chance. theyre not ALL bigot arguments from my fellow Democrats isnt going to change my mind.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)claiming you won't do. Why'd you even bother? This isn't discussion.
Btw, there are a LOT of cons around here. If I was afraid of conservatives "individually" and blocked roads prevented escape by car, we'd be sneaking out through the woods, and I'd sleep cuddling our shotgun while my husband kept his pistol by his hand. Silly stuff.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Because that's what it's looking like to me.
Shipwack
(2,161 posts)What I tell people is that Trump supporters (and the Republican Party in general) are either outright racists, or have no qualms with supporting or associating with outright racists.
Both are disgusting.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)descriptors are beyond the pale..... but its dishonest.
There are way more people supporting racism than we knew. Its ugly, but weve seen it on display for a few years now.
Shipwack
(2,161 posts)I too am surprised how many racist cockroaches there still are. I guess I am just naive. I knew it was still a problem, but the number of cockroaches being emboldened by Trump and company is disturbing.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)they deserve. Some coddle them, but we know that they hate POC and mouthy women with equal measure. They want us to be second class citizens and theyre just going to have to go fuck themselves. Were not coddling them after what came to roost in 2016. Never again!
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Spot on, bettyellen.
POC and mouthy women. They hate them.
Fact.
Fugg'em!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)The rust belt or that establishment or theyre all the same bullshit. Unless you add to me to that statement, its a fucking lie. I have had it.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Again and again, bizarre shit about Wikileaks and Bill the Clemons. Fuck all that shit. Wiki misled people w edits. That was known at the time. Shame on them for lying to us all. Hillary is not Bill nor is this the 90s.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)If you do some racist shit you are forever crossed off my list.
This is why the most despicable men in America are the GOP billionaires and politicians that INTENTIONALLY inflame racism to get votes for billionaires.
Reagan, Nixon, Ailes, Murdoch, Atwater, Koches, Mercer, Pope, Uiline, Searle, Limbaugh, Hannity, Carlson, Hewitt, etc.
All of these men know that they are harming America by inflaming racism in the GOP base. They KNOW it. They do it anyway. Plenty of the GOP base voters are deep inside the propaganda bubble. But the GOP billionaires and propagandists are far worse- they incite hate to pursue power, damaging America intentionally.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Chose the lowest white man pussygrabber to replace a brilliant black president.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)Racists.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Mercers paid for this ad to inflame racism and xenophobia, to get votes for the GOP.
Many of the GOP base are brainwashed by propaganda. But the GOP billionaires that fund the propaganda are far worse- they know what they are doing. If we can stop the propaganda we can greatly reduce racism in America.
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/04/exclusive-robert-mercer-backed-a-secretive-group-that-worked-with-facebook-google-to-target-anti-muslim-ads-at-swing-voters/
https://m.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Its hard to imagine white middle American towns if you dont live there- they are soaked in Fox and Limbaugh propaganda and they have no minorities. It is possible for some white people to have no contact with any minorities and be so bombarded with Fox and Limbaugh GOP propaganda that they start to believe the lies and the racism.
The people who are really despicable are the propagandists themselves: Limbaugh, Murdoch, Hannity, Drudge, Koch, Mercer. Those Republicans know better and they INTENTIONALLY inflame racism to get votes for the GOP.
No one has done as much harm to America as the GOP liars and propagandists.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Blame Rupert Murdoch and Rush Limbaugh first. They incite racism intentionally.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)And posted an article to that end right before the election.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)I think this is the fifth or sixth time you posted your distaste for the author. You have been on every thread trying to discredit him. He did not like Hill. Got it and, oberliner I have read much of what he has posted and knew this. I knew he did not like Hill, yet neither did the BS supporters and many said they did not vote for her. You support them, mostly white, yet not the black man speaking out?
So put this aside for a bit and actually comment on all those threads about the feelings of POC instead of your divisive tactics.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And I loathe the idea of multiple articles being posted here at DU written by a man who made a point of publishing an article saying why he would never vote for her.
And who has bashed both Hillary and Bill Clinton repeatedly in print (along with the Democratic Party generally and "white allies" )
If people are going to keep posting articles by someone who is anti-Hillary, I will make sure to inform readers of that fact.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Think of all the "good" citizens of the Third Reich, who didn't have had the stomach to kill Jews and political prisoners face-to-face. While they didn't kill them directly, they nonetheless enthusiastically supported their fascist government that delivered death in a horrific, factory-like manner.
All of Germany was guilty, save for a few righteous Oskar Schindler-types.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Such as the writer of this piece.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)The common thread in supporters of 1930s Germany and todays GOP is propaganda.
Most people are not innately evil. But they are susceptible to propaganda.
Thats the common thread. As long as Fox and Limbaugh and Breitbart lie to people we wont fix America.
Theres something we all can do: tell your friends and family that watching Fox and listening to Limbaugh is unAmerican and they are harming the country.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)If you think that these didnt and wouldnt exist without the propaganda, youre just not paying attention and you should do some research.
These people arent purehearts who were taken advantage of by right wing propagandists and only then became racists and bigots.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)I also think there is a difference between different parts of the country. The Deep South has its own longstanding problems with racism that would exist without Fox and Limbaugh.
But in many areas of white middle America, Fox and Limbaugh did a lot to create and amplify racism.
No single person in the past four decades has done more to worsen racial relations in America than Rupert Murdoch. Followed closely by Limbaugh and Reagan and Ailes and Hewitt and Levin and Carlson.
We must fight on both fronts: to work with and educate white Americans, and give up on the deplorables who cant be changed. But also to call out and discuss the role of right wing propaganda in creating and amplifying racism in pursuit of votes for GOP billionaires.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)The ones that spout crap like:
I have a black friend.
I treat everyone equally.
I am not a racist.
Everyone is equal today.
What rights dont they have?
These are overwhelmingly the same ones that deny that privilage exists. The ones that are quick to point out that incarceration rate of minorities is higher, while ignoring the cultural inequities that are cause. The same ones that saw no problem with the behavior of the Starbucks employees because they were just following policy after all.
Imo it is an even more insidious form of racism because it is completely intelectually dishonest, and is the root cause of the ongoing racist cultural inequities that we see in headlines almost daily.
To anyone I meet who denies that they are racist, my response is that everyone is a racist. The real question is what are you going to do about it?
Thank you, Amimnoch.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And: "I'm Not With Her..."
Along with: "White Allies Are the Worst Wypipo in the World"
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elocs
(22,567 posts)and it really doesn't matter to me what clever way anyone comes up with to support that claim.
And as long as even 1 Trump supporter is not a racist then that blows the hell out of the "everybody" claim.
But the tens of millions of Americans who do support Trump are going nowhere.
Who honestly believes that if Democrats retake Congress and the White House by 2021 that all of these Trump backers and supporters are just going to disappear? They'll be working and waiting for their chance to return, for the Left to become complacent and start factionalizing and infighting. That's a bet I would take.
But tribalism now rules in America and it's us against them and them against us. We brand all of them this way, they brand all of us that way. They can never be right since we are never wrong, but since they consider themselves to always be right then we are always wrong.
My prediction: none of this is going to end well and if this were a third world country we would be anticipating an armed civil war.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Stopping Fox and Limbaugh and their lies is essential to improving tribalism.
elocs
(22,567 posts)If the GOP were suddenly to disappear I have no doubt that the Left would fracture into its own tribes, each attacking the other. Actually they already exist but have a common enemy to battle when they figure it out.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)The left is a traditional political party of coalitions and compromise.
The right is a dictatorial autocratic group, funded by billionaires, filled with apparatchiks and morons, that aims to destroy government to cut taxes on the rich.
elocs
(22,567 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Because one party is only about lies and propaganda
elocs
(22,567 posts)Oddly enough, the right says exactly the same thing about the Left.
Who would'a thunk it?
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)We have been studying Washington politics and Congress for more than 40 years, and never have we seen them this dysfunctional. In our past writings, we have criticized both parties when we believed it was warranted. Today, however, we have no choice but to acknowledge that the core of the problem lies with the Republican Party.
The GOP has become an insurgent outlier in American politics. It is ideologically extreme; scornful of compromise; unmoved by conventional understanding of facts, evidence and science; and dismissive of the legitimacy of its political opposition.
When one party moves this far from the mainstream, it makes it nearly impossible for the political system to deal constructively with the countrys challenges.
The GOP loves to muddy the water by accusing Democrats of being the same as them, using their lying right-wing propaganda machine.
But we know the truth, as do the centrist writers above:
The Republican Party is the problem.
elocs
(22,567 posts)and it's Democrats who lie. Around and around we go. We can't convince them, they will never convince us.
Regardless, the bottom line is that there are tens of millions of Republicans who support Trump and they are going nowhere even if they are the problem. Unless the Left is vigilant the same thing will happen again as has happened now. It could take a generation, if ever, just to recover from what Trump's judicial appointees will have done to America.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)We will continue to stick to the truth and continue to call out the right wing propaganda machine. Eventually their lies will have to hit up against reality. Its already happened for some Fox viewers with tax cuts for billionaires. And others will be picked off as indictments come down and crimes are exposed. Remember Bush approval rating was high during Mission Accomplished and ended up in the gutter.
Stick to facts, expose GOP propaganda. Thats what patriotic Americans should do.
elocs
(22,567 posts)Thats what patriotic Americans should do."
(I threw in "Democrat" for authenticity.)
There is absolutely nothing we can say that they don't say about us.
There's nothing we can say about Trump that they won't call Democratic propaganda.
We preach to our choir, they preach to theirs, and everybody is convinced that they and only they are righteous.
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)And they are a shrinking minority.
They can lie all they want. But eventually the truth will catch up to them.
Keep telling the truth and keep calling out lies and eventually the country will recover. Focus on truth and dont be scared to call a lie a lie.
elocs
(22,567 posts)How long do you think it will take for tens of millions of Trump supporters, conservatives, those on the right to shrink until they become irrelevant? That won't happen because those on the Left are too fickle voters and are not vigilant. They too easily give in to infighting and breaking into factions, with the Far Left wanting to make the Democratic tent smaller and purge those who are not as pure and Liberal as they are.
Calling a lie a "lie". How about the Big Lie? You know, the one that said that both parties are the same so it didn't matter if you voted for Clinton or Trump or voted at all.
The country could take a generation just to recover from what Trump has done to it and will continue to do it. I'm not pollyannaish enough to delude myself that this country will recover more than for brief periods of time.
Doodley
(9,088 posts)am faced with this question every day as most of my in-laws are Trump supporters. Every fiber of my body tells me Trump is the worst kind of human being and his bigotry is a cancer on our nation. Am I going to call all of my in-laws who support something that so disgusts me a racist. No.
sheshe2
(83,746 posts)He is a cancer on or nation and needs to be eradicated now.
RandySF
(58,772 posts)If Don Blankenship is elected to the Senate after nurdering 29 coal minors, do we still say it was about economic anxiety?
sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)A large number of people who will vote for Blankenship will do so not because they love him, but because they hate Democrats. And they hate democrats because they listen to lies from right wing propaganda.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)You are bending over backwards to let these people off the hook by blaming propaganda and not their own racism and bigotry.
Propaganda doesn't operate in a vacuum and it doesnt work in people who are not predisposed to believe it. I could listen to Rush Limbaugh for 48 hours straight, but that would not turn me into a bigoted right winger. Plenty of people are exposed to right wing radio, but they dont become racists - many of these people ALREADY are racists and the propaganda only builds on that.
These people are not n
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)You seem to really like him. Are the poc who voted for rump racists also?
Abu Pepe
(637 posts)Some are ignorant. Some know they fucked up but are too stubborn to admit it. And yeah the other 90 percent are racist.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)these OP's have really been quite educational. They are laden with truth some the wypipo here just can't wrap their minds around because their wypipo privilege and entitlement MAY degrade a little. You're great