Putin is a self loathing closet case.

[Abu Pepe]

Russian troll bait#1

[MineralMan]

1. So, are you TRYING to attract trolls here?

I don't think that's a great idea, really.

[Abu Pepe]

2. No. Im tormenting the ones who are here.

They can let Putin be insulted or show their hand. Either way, I'm good.

[MineralMan]

4. I still think it's a bad idea.

They need no help, IMO.

[Abu Pepe]

5. I once sent a nasty tweet to Guccifer2.0

Within a week my gmail was hacked and being used to send fucked up messages to my contacts. My twitter and FB pages got shut down as SPAM.

So I make all kinds of bad choices.

[Hekate]

42. Your OP is another of those bad choices, Abu Pepe. It hurts DU. How does it hurt Putin?

[Abu Pepe]

44. Oh FFS ! nt

[Exotica]

72. I think your use of homophobic slurs is despicable. Regardless of target.

[Abu Pepe]

73. I didn't do that. nt

[Exotica]

74. Yes you did. OP maker.

I am done, I don't engage with bigots.

[Abu Pepe]

76. No. You just don't get the joke.

Or are somehow unaware that enough violently anti gay authoritarians have turned out to be hiring rent boys or busted in public restroom stings over the years that its a thing.

[democratisphere]

3. Nets or hook?

Hope ya can catch one of them thar russian nasty bastards.

[Abu Pepe]

8. Chum and spears. NT

[wonkwest]

6. Maybe don't use gayness as an insult

Not sure what is going with this board lately. Gallopingly racism and now homophobia? Eesh.

[Abu Pepe]

7. I didn't and wouldn't.

Velcome to DU.

[emulatorloo]

11. Putin is a virulent homophobe.

[wonkwest]

12. Calling someone a closet case as an insult?

Homophobia isn't suddenly ok because we approve of the target of it.

This is so basic, I can't believe I still have to explain it in 2018.

[Abu Pepe]

14. No. Being a closet case while oppressing openly gay people

is very Texas Legislature. And worthy of insult.

[emulatorloo]

15. I doubt Abu Pepe is homophobic

But I bet Putin gets upset when someone suggests he might be gay and that is the reason Putin is so homophobic

Putin: Russia must "cleanse" itself of homosexuality
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/putin-russia-must-cleanse-itself-of-homosexuality/

[NCTraveler]

20. Calling Putin gay as a way to attack him is clearly homophobic.

There is really no grey area on this one.

[emulatorloo]

21. Homophobes Likely To Be Closet Gays, Study Finds

I will reiterate my doubt that Abu Pepe is homophobic.

The purpose of his thread is to troll a virulent homophobe and his paid trolls in an aggressive manner.

The thread may or may not be ill advised.

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Homophobes Likely To Be Closet Gays, Study Finds
http://www.ibtimes.com/homophobes-likely-be-closet-gays-study-finds-434958

Homophobes Likely To Be Closet Gays, Study Finds
Amrutha Gayathri04/09/12 AT 6:33 AM

Negative attitude towards homosexuality is likely to be more pronounced among individuals who harbor unacknowledged attraction towards the same sex, and who grew up in conservative authoritarian households which forbade such desires, a series of psychology studies have found.

The study, which analyzed four separate experiments conducted in the US and Germany, provides empirical evidence to suggest that in some individuals homophobia is the external manifestation of repressed sexual desires they feel towards their own gender.

Individuals who identify as straight but in psychological tests show a strong attraction to the same sex may be threatened by gays and lesbians because homosexuals remind them of similar tendencies within themselves, Netta Weinstein, a lecturer at the University of Essex and the study's lead author, explained.

In many cases these are people who are at war with themselves and they are turning this internal conflict outward, added co-author Richard Ryan, professor of psychology at the University of Rochester who was involved in the study, in which about 650 college students participated

<more at link>

[NCTraveler]

22. I see no link to Putin in your article.

This bolsters my point. Using gay as a slur to attack people is blatantly homophobic.

This is the summary of the study you link. You are spreading unfounded homophobic propaganda. I recommend not hiding behind the ibtimes on this one.

Homophobia is more pronounced in individuals with an unacknowledged attraction to the same sex and who grew up with authoritarian parents who forbade such desires, a series of psychology studies demonstrates. The study is the first to document the role that both parenting and sexual orientation play in the formation of intense fear of homosexuals.

[emulatorloo]

23. The study is unfounded homophobic propaganda?

I gave a link about Putin’s virulent homophobia above.

Putin: Russia must "cleanse" itself of homosexuality
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/putin-russia-must-cleanse-itself-of-homosexuality/

Your post is incomprehensible.

I’ll repeat my interpretation of Abu Pepe’s post: it is an aggressive call-out of a virulent homophobe. It may be ill-advised.

[NCTraveler]

24. "Your post is incomprehensible."

If that is your take, I'm ok with it.

Yes, you are using this study in a manner that is consistent with propaganda. The study does not say what you directly claimed it did.

Please point to where I ever said Putin wasn't homophobic. You will go pretty far to promote the "bad people are gay" line.

You claim that his homophobia makes it "likely" that he is gay. That is pure homophobia.

The study you bring to the table does not back that up. You have not shown where Putin has shown sexual interest in men. Just a homophobic hit job.

[emulatorloo]

25. I said Bad People Are Gay? Nope. You'll sink pretty low to put words in other people's mouths

[NCTraveler]

26. That is exactly what you and the other poster you came in to support are doing.

They did it directly. You are doing it by way of support. It's as clear as could be.

[emulatorloo]

28. What's clear is your willingness to claim I said things I didn't say and to

willfully mispresent the study I linked which examines homophobia attitudes as some sort of “homophobic propaganda”.

I never said “Bad People Are Gay” and I never will. The study does not say “Bad People Are Gay”

We’re done.

[NCTraveler]

30. You are correct. It also doesn't state what you are claiming it does.

It would have helped if you wouldn't have just trusted ibtimes. Way off the mark.

Why even give this back-up as you have done? Clear homophobia.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210590396#post27

[emulatorloo]

37. What am I allegedly claiming it states? Because I have no clue what you are talking about.

As far as I can tell you have manufactured some “interpretation” I have of the study, in the same way that you manufactured words I never said and don’t believe.


Here are additional links which describe the study.


Is Some Homophobia Self-phobia?
April 5, 2012
Anti-gay Bias Linked to Lack of Awareness of One's Sexual Orientation and Authoritarian Parenting, Study Shows
https://www.rochester.edu/news/show.php?id=4040

Homophobes Might Be Hidden Homosexuals
A new analysis of implicit bias and explicit sexual orientation statements may help to explain the underpinnings of anti-gay bullying and hate crimes

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/homophobes-might-be-hidden-homosexuals/

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Is some homophobia self-phobia?
Date:April 6, 2012
Source:University of Rochester
Summary:Homophobia is more pronounced in individuals with an unacknowledged attraction to the same sex and who grew up with authoritarian parents who forbade such desires, a series of psychology studies demonstrates. The study is the first to document the role that both parenting and sexual orientation play in the formation of intense fear of homosexuals.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120406234458.htm

____________________

Are Homophobic People Really Gay and Not Accepting It?
Study finds homophobia linked to unacknowledged attractions to the same sex.
Posted Apr 26, 2012

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-sexual-continuum/201204/are-homophobic-people-really-gay-and-not-accepting-it

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[Abu Pepe]

40. Well he called me a racist AND a homophobe.nt

[Ms. Toad]

60. Condemning a virulent homophobe is fine.

calling someone gay as way of insulting him is not.

[Abu Pepe]

75. Of course there has never been a correlation between over the top

anti-gay politicians or clergy or anything like that. None of those guys ever turn out to be having sex with men on the side.

Therefore Im calling Putin gay as a 6th grade level insult because there is no other context or schema that should be applied.

Now if there had been a pattern over the years of homophobic authoritarians paying to have sex with men or hook up in airport bathrooms, etc. That would be different.

[Abu Pepe]

39. Thank you.

Don't know if some of the obtuseness is purposeful or not.

[emulatorloo]

52. You know how some people don't 'get' Satire and take it literally?

I think something similar may be going on here.

You said in post 1 that the thread is “Russian troll bait”.

So it was clear to me you are doing some aggressive Putin-style propaganda chock full of “fake news” to get the Russian trolls to unmask themselves and defend dear leader.

[Abu Pepe]

57. Fish in a barrel. nt

[Ms. Toad]

62. Some people, including me, do not like being used as an insult. n/t

[NCTraveler]

70. The op doesn't possess the required elements for satire.

[emulatorloo]

71. Enough! I did not say OP was satire. Again, stop putting words in my mouth

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That I didn’t say.

I don’t know if you have a problem with reading comprehension or a problem with deliberate willful misinterpretation.

At any rate please stop claiming I said stuff I didn’t say.

[Abu Pepe]

13. And a rent boy enthusiast. Classic. nt

[Abu Pepe]

38. Dingdingding we have a winner! nt

[NCTraveler]

16. Racism and homophobia are nothing new at this site.

Neither is sexism.

"Not sure what is going with this board lately."

Interesting to say the least.

[BannonsLiver]

69. Yeah, DU is like 4Chan and Stormfront

A real hotbed...

[Abu Pepe]

80. Did you really need the sarcasm emoji for that?

Sadly, yes.

[LanternWaste]

9. I perceive no self-loathing, merely a self-centered man

I perceive no self-loathing, merely a self-centered man in love with power, and with what that power brings.

What specifically do you see that leads you to assign 'self-loathing' to him?

[Abu Pepe]

10. He uses male prostitutes while oppressing other gay people. nt

[NCTraveler]

17. "He uses male prostitutes"

Do tell.

[Abu Pepe]

18. Worst kept secret in Russia. nt

[NCTraveler]

19. Do tell.

As outlined this is straight up homophobia.

[Abu Pepe]

27. Maybe he has a wide stance.

But that doesn't explain paying men for sex.

[NCTraveler]

29. You have still offered up nothing.

"Maybe he has a wide stance."

And just doubled down on homophobia.

[Abu Pepe]

31. Where does that phrase originate?

And in what context?

Oh that's right, a closet case who used his authority to oppress gay people.

Just like Putin!

[NCTraveler]

32. You are really upping your game.

This level of homophobia shouldn't be allowed here.

[Abu Pepe]

34. That word doesn't mean what you think it does. nt

[NCTraveler]

35. I have a pretty good grasp of it.

It works as used. You still haven't backed up your claim.

[Abu Pepe]

36. You his lawyer now? nt

[NCTraveler]

41. Not currently. Not sure how that is pertinent. nt

[Abu Pepe]

46. If you were half as pissed at Putin as you are at me it wouldn't

be pertinent.

[NCTraveler]

67. I'm not pissed at you. Not sure why you would think that.

How did you come to your thoughts on my feelings about Putin.

You aren't on the map when it comes to such things. You have a seriously high opinion of yourself.

[Greybnk48]

33. You got one!! Lol! n/t

[LanternWaste]

47. You make many, many allegation, yet support none of them with objective evidence.

You make many, many allegation, yet support none of them with objective evidence.

I imagine lacking basic research skills is certainly one possibility, as is the inability to support what lacks any objective support while yet pretending it's an actual truth.

If yours however, is simply a grade-school tantrum to illustrate your displeasure, more power to you; but qualifying it as such would be appropriate so that others may more effectively avoid wasting time on verbal pablum and mental dry-wall.

[emulatorloo]

50. Russian troll bait#1 - that's a quote from the OP

So that’s the intention of OPs thread. Baiting Russian Trolls.

The claims he makes aren’t “serious” and aren’t meant to be taken literally.

They are “fake news” in an aggressive piece of Putin-style propaganda/bait designed to get Putin’s trolls to “unmask” themselves by coming to the defense of dear leader.

I don’t know whether the thread is a good idea or not. Certainly not successfully in getting Putin trolls to come forth. But it isn’t meant to be taken literally.

[Abu Pepe]

79. It was meant to be funny and provacative. The butt of the joke

is obviously Putin specifically but whithin the context of an obvious pattern among homophobic politicians and religious leaders in general. The whole "your calling Putin gay as an insult is" is obtuse. It requires one to just ignore an obvious pattern. Beyond that context, of course it's fake news. So not satire per se but more of a mocking, which is related I guess.

I know that you get it. Im guessing most people do. Its probably not as funny to most as I think it is.

But it isn't homophobic. Only homophobe could be insulted by being called gay. Suggesting a tyrant is the thing he loathes is fair game.

Again, I know you get it and appreciate the intelligent defense.

[Eliot Rosewater]

89. You said: "It was meant to be funny and provacative. The butt of the joke"

And then you received multiple responses assuring you the way you went about it was neither funny, provocative or a joking matter.

At that point you simply could have said "my bad, I see now what you mean, I am learning and have learned" and you would have been congratulated for evolving and learning.

This is the trademark of a liberal.

Personally I would do or say almost ANYTHING to expose the active KGB agents who post here, even though they are called something else now, GRU or whatever. They ARE here, I am certain of it. But you are accomplishing NOTHING of that nature because you refuse to accept a mistake and go on from there.

Life is SO much easier when you are willing to admit when you are wrong, takes WAY less energy.

[XRubicon]

77. LOL

[Hekate]

43. Throughout this thread I see you digging in deeper, Abu Pepe. Why?

[Abu Pepe]

45. Fuck Putin. nt

[LanternWaste]

48. Lacking mental discipline often requires we hysterically lash out when questioned

Lacking mental discipline often requires we hysterically lash out when questioned. I'm quite certain you'll allege something a bit more righteous.

[Abu Pepe]

49. Thank you.

Calling me a racist and a homophobe was hysterical.

[NCTraveler]

58. Seems you have widened your stance. nt.

[Behind the Aegis]

51. This is a homophobic thread. Delete it.

You are making an assumption about Putin's sexual orientation, and in doing so, slamming him for it. There is nothing to indicate Putin is gay, much less closeted. This is nothing more than a "Ha, Ha! he's a faggot!" mentality. If this were a thread about GLBT rights, and Putin came up in regards to LGBT rights in Russia, it would still be offensive, but not as offensive as this stand-alone bullshit it.

Yes, I have read all the studies about homophobes being secret homos...all two of them! There is more to it than just a hidden, secret desire. Also, gay and straight aren't the only sexual orientations. Bisexuality is real and does exist. So, some homophobes may be bisexual or gay, but usually, they are just a hate-filled STRAIGHT person!

Gay people are NOT a goddamned punchline!

HOMOPHOBIA KILLS!

[Abu Pepe]

53. No its not.

And no I won't

[Behind the Aegis]

54. It is and I am not surprised you won't.

Far be it for a gay man to express his anger at being the butt of a joke.

[Abu Pepe]

81. You know who Putin is, right? nt

[Behind the Aegis]

82. Yes. You know what homophobia is, right?

Oh, no you don't. My bad.

[Abu Pepe]

83. What do you think about him? nt

[Behind the Aegis]

84. He is a despicable human.

I just don't equate "gay" with being despicable. I am a funny gay person that way.

[Exotica]

78. This!!

Disgusting bigotry no matter who the target. The fact this shit is allowed to stand is sickening.

[IronLionZion]

55. Have you enjoyed your time on DU so far?

I see you joined up in late 2016 after the election.

[Hekate]

56. I think he has

[IronLionZion]

59. Good to know who our comrades really are.

[Abu Pepe]

63. Meh nt

[Abu Pepe]

61. Been here since 2011.

Changed handle after the hack.

[Ms. Toad]

64. Then you've been around plenty long enough

to know that it is not appropriate to use being gay as an insult. Period.

[Abu Pepe]

65. Tell that to Putins sex slaves. nt

[Ms. Toad]

66. Putin isn't posting in a forum in which he has agreed to rules

that forbid bigotry, including homophobia.

[Abu Pepe]

85. No he has troll farms of defenders that obviously know about DU

[NCTraveler]

68. They just did. nt.

[LostOne4Ever]

87. This is homophobic. Please delete. nt