Big crowd at Chic-Fil-A today. Took pictures.

[proud2BlibKansan]

[sadbear]

1. Christians, every single one of them.

[Amerigo Vespucci]

8. That's a pretty fucking ignorant statement.

Terms of Service

No bigoted hate speech.

Do not post bigotry based on someone's race or ethnic origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion or lack thereof, disability, or other comparable personal characteristic. To be clear: This includes any post which states opposition to full equal rights for gays and lesbians; it also includes any post asserting disloyalty by Jewish Americans, claiming nefarious influence by Jews/Zionists/Israel, advocating the destruction of the state of Israel, or arguing that Holocaust deniers are just misunderstood. In determining what constitutes bigotry, please be aware that we cannot know what is in anyone's heart, and we will give members the benefit of the doubt, when — and only when — such doubt exists.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

[Puregonzo1188]

10. I believe by it's own membership the KKK only admits Christians.

So it would be factual.

[kurtzapril4]

80. Yep to the 9th power!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[slampoet]

14. The KKK was a Protestant Only organization.

The KKK is still a Christian Only organization.


You can't call a fact ignorant and not provide counter information.

[sabrina 1]

24. They may claim to be Christian, but there is no way that hate group is in any way

following the teachings of the person whose name they stole. Anyone can call themselves anything they want, but that doesn't make it so.

I can call myself a Hindu, who's going to stop me? But if everything I do is contrary to Hindu teachings, then I am lying.

[sadbear]

31. That's all true

but if you call yourself a Hindu, you know you're lying. The Klan genuinely believed they were Christian. No true Scotsman, blah, blah, blah.

[sabrina 1]

34. They also genuinely believed that hating people merely because of the color of their skin

was normal. The Klan was made up of delusional, psychopaths so the fact that they believed they were Christian is as relevant as the rest of their beliefs.

If they had lived in a country where the predominant religion was Hindu or Muslim, they would have claimed to be Hindus or Muslims with about as much understanding of those beliefs as they have of Christianity.

I really wish someone would do a scientific study of people whose purpose in life is to hate. I personally believe it is a mental illness of some kind. But it would be helpful to get a clinical diagnosis of the condition so that they could be treated. As it stands there is no way to treat them for their condition. Finding out the cause would save them a lifetime of being consumed by irrational delusions, one of which is that the man whose name they claim, would in any way approve of them and their hateful beliefs.

[Blanks]

50. It seems that most hate stems from belonging to some 'hate filled' group.

People have a need to belong. If all it takes 'to belong' to an organization is to hate something or someone; people seem to line up to join.

I agree with you that this is not Christian behavior, but their 'christian-ness' is one of the things that brought these people together. It originated with a positive message. However, like a cult; they were led down a path that once they've started it is difficult to escape. Particularly when all of your friends and family support the movement.

I try not to judge these people to harshly because there is a lot of social pressure to belong, and when everyone in your social circle is for something; it is very difficult to oppose it.

IMHO.

[Ineeda]

67. This exactly describes gang behavior:

"... they were led down a path that once they've started it is difficult to escape. Particularly when all of your friends and family support the movement.

I try not to judge these people to harshly because there is a lot of social pressure to belong, and when everyone in your social circle is for something; it is very difficult to oppose it."

And like gang behavior, it is violence and fear based.

[Blanks]

73. Gangs, Nazis, KKK, it is what they all have in common.

The short story/movie 'The Wave' (based on actual events) demonstrates that people can be manipulated to do awful things once they belong to a group. Particularly a group that has uniforms/colors, a logo, and a sense of purpose.

I think a lot of good people can be swept up in this kind of movement. That's why I try not to be too critical if them.

Onward Chuck-fil-A soldiers, mighty mighty Chick-fil-A soldiers...

[sarcasm]
Makes you proud just to know they exist; doesn't it?
[\sarcasm]

[FiveGoodMen]

68. Not just in the past tense

"Today, researchers estimate that there may be 150 Klan chapters with upwards of 5,000 members nationwide"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KKK

[maindawg]

69. they are called sociopaths

Profile of the Sociopath

This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.


Glibness and Superficial Charm

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

Incapacity for Love

Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

Other Related Qualities:

Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose
May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

[dimbear]

35. The KKK now admits Catholics. Know who brought in that reform??

Yup. David Duke.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

44. In another 10,000 years, they'll start admitting Jews (nt)

[Pizz]

55. What the hell are you talking about?

Shelly Addelson has been a member for the past year!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

56. LOL!

He's a joiner, that guy!

[Vietnameravet]

64. KKK admits catholics

Well even the sacred KKK has fallen under the influence of those liberals!
Next they'll be admitting blacks!!

Glenn Beck where are you? We need you to save our nation from such liberal influences!!

(this is satire..for those that may not understand this posting)

[A Simple Game]

26. I'm curious, why do you think that was bigoted hate speech?

Do you know much about the klan? They didn't have very many black, jewish, female members. Probably not many Muslims either.

The fact is that the klan was the organization that practiced bigotry based on someone's race or ethnic origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, religion or lack thereof, disability, or other comparable personal characteristic.

[Yeah Its Spin]

37. boo hoo

In determining what constitutes bigotry, please be aware that we cannot know what is in anyone's heart, and we will give members the benefit of the doubt, when — and only when — such doubt exists.

[Vietnameravet]

65. KKK and Christians

Amerigo..the poster said all KKK Members were Christians.(so they claim) .he did not say All Christians are KKK members..

[MNBrewer]

66. It was pure fact

[cigsandcoffee]

9. Assuming it's an old photo, then probably all Democrats, too, truth be known. n/t

[Puregonzo1188]

11. Also true as well.

[sadbear]

16. I know political party identification has more or less flip-flopped in the South since then.

Has religious affiliation, too?

[cigsandcoffee]

19. Well then I guess I shouldn't have painted with such a broad brush, after all.

Painting with a broad brush is just plain dumb, isn't it?

[sadbear]

21. No, you were right the first time.

Those probably were all Democrats at the time. Heck, Robert Byrd might even be in that picture. But that doesn't say anything about Democrats today. Thanks to the Civil Rights Act, Nixon, and Reagan, most Southern Democrats became republicans between 1964-1980.

[cigsandcoffee]

25. Christians are as diverse as the world. There are 2.8 billion of them globally.

There are conservative Christians, moderate Christians, and liberal Christians - all in vast numbers. Saying the people in that photo are representative of most or all Christians then or today, or even of Christianity in general, is ignorant in the same way the people in that photo are.

The right likes to generalize about Islam, which most sane people realize is a bigoted view. I don't like seeing the same broad brush coming the other way.

[sadbear]

27. Hey, what I said was not factually wrong.

Whatever you take away from it is up to you. Would it be painting with a broad brush to say that one of the few things that all (or nearly all) of the people who participated in chickfila appreciation day have in common is their religion?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

45. Perhaps the "sarcasm" tag would have been appropriate...

These were, in fact, people who considered themselves Christians, and I would not bet against the possibility that at least one of the people in the picture was an ordained clergyman under the hood.

That being said, Martin Luther King Jr. was a Christian and an ordained minister. Oscar Romero was also a Christian and an ordained priest. So are thousands upon thousands of men and women who will never be famous, but who nonetheless try to live their lives by keeping to the teaching of the one who said, "Blessed are they who hunger after righteousness, for they shall be filled."

To conflate the Klan with those people might feel good for a snarky moment or two, but it's really not adding much to the conversation.

[sadbear]

48. So are these people who oppose gay rights and support anti-LGBT organizations Christians?

Since you say the Klan wasn't Christian, are the people who actively supported chickfil yesterday not Christian either?

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

49. Yes. But they're really bad at it...

And again, to conflate homophobes with decent people (including gay Christians) is doing nobody a service.

[Lacipyt]

52. By Whose Standards?

Seriously. I don't have any clue about what any person believes, so are you privy to information I'm not? Is there view on one political issue really be used to determine their religious beliefs?

Christianity has as much social capital in our culture as religious, so trying to determine who is "Christian" and who is merely playing one in public is a difficult question.

I do know that Christians don't have a monopoly on bigotry or prejudicial thinking.

But this insistence on binaries is troubling, as my experience with evolution only causes me to suspect demands of either/or tend to drive people further apart.

[eaglesfanintn]

60. Saying all KKK members are Christian

Is not the same as saying all Christians are KKK members. The OP is probably right that everyone wearing a hood considered themselves to be a Christian, but that is in no way saying that everyone that considers themselves a Christian wears a hood.

[part man all 86]

17. Dixiecrats, most of them conservatives.

A much different United States fifty years ago. Would that explain some of why older citizens vote for the republicans? Just asking.

[maindawg]

70. no, they were bigots.

And these days they are all members of the tea party

[Don C. Nuttin]

74. Nu uh.

Your statement (in good fun) that old timey Klan members were all Democrats appears to be based upon your mistaken belief that the Klan was a Southern phenomenon. In truth, the Klan achieved its greatest political power in Indiana. The Klan was active throughout the Midwest. In Michigan, 40,000 Klan members (half its statewide membership) lived in Detroit. The Klan was very politically powerful in my native Kansas, where the only Democrats to speak of were Germans from Russia, Catholics then barred from Ku Klux Klan membership. The Klan was also active in the West, especially Colorado and Oregon.

[arely staircase]

79. one things for sure they were certainly conservatives nt

[MzShellG]

18. Definitely not Christians, but pimps....

Pimps of Christianity in the name of hate.

[sasha031]

2. ....

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. Perfect! K&R.

[DURHAM D]

4. Oh Dear ...

I drove by my neighborhood Chic-Fil-A this evening. The parking lot was full of bikers and I don't think they were of the fundamentalist Christian variety.

[Raster]

5. Awesome!

[obamanut2012]

6. Did you take those with your phone?

They turned out really well.

[proud2BlibKansan]

59. Isn't technology wonderful?

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

7. I snapped this one

[proud2BlibKansan]

53. That's good!

[Skip Intro]

12. Nobody can jump the shark like a DUer. nt

[Hissyspit]

40. ?

[proud2BlibKansan]

46. What?

[spanone]

13. Bwahahahahahahaaaa

duzy

[tomm2thumbs]

15. I guess the burning cross adds charbroiled taste

I had no idea!

[Grassy Knoll]

20. LOL, Cross burnt charcoal is....

is their secret recipe.

[proud2BlibKansan]

43. LOL

[cyberswede]

22. Sporffle!

[Major Hogwash]

28. Reminds me of "O Brother, Where Art Thou?"

In constant sorrow, all through his days . .



That was the funniest movie I ever saw with George Clooney and John Goodman.

[Starry Messenger]

29. k&r

[patrice]

30. Thosse f-ers were saying the Democrats are pushing a GOVERNMENT BAN on

anti-gay businesses, because they fear a BOYCOTT. They fear the people using their own "corporate" personhood $speech to Boycott Chick fil A and everyone who supports them.

So they are making up lies about "big government" Democrats trying to ban free enterprise.

[maindawg]

72. they are trying to play the victim card

They are asserting their right to discriminate. They do not have a right to discriminate. They are wrong. The issue is about equal rights. Its is not about sexuality. Just as womens health is about equal rights, not contraception, not abortion.Its a rights issue. They dont want to hear it. So we will shout it until they hear it.

[Oilwellian]

32. ROFL

K&R

[Chorophyll]

33. ...

Wasn't expecting that! Well done.

[Behind the Aegis]

36. I heard the Westboro Church moo-vement was there...

[Blanks]

51. Perfect.

[NYC_SKP]

38. Brilliant!

K/R

[YOHABLO]

39. That's Hilarious!!

I was prepared for the crap they have been showing on CNN and FOX .. these 'drips' lined up around the corner to get their Christ-Filet Sandwich.

[Astazia]

41. Hysterical...told friend hey here's a pic of line @ chick fil a

"not another one" they said & then I showed them the pic....

Well done! Well done!

[Kalidurga]

42. ROFL

They are proud of their hate. But, when we point out they are haters. They scream we are being intolerant.

[Tom Ripley]

47. Perfect! Not all Christians are KKK, but all KKK are Christians

nicely done

[Initech]

54. Chik-fil-A holes.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

57. As Mr. Pitt might say....

You win the internets for today!

[libodem]

61. tee hee hee

Extra-best funny.

[proud2BlibKansan]

62. DUzy!!

[Robb]

71. Well done.

[toddwv]

58. Knights of the Kook Klucks Klan.

[Texas-Limerick]

63. I see Fox and Friends made it there

Claiming they had proof that Chick-Fil-A was not brain dead....oops, wrong again!

[blkmusclmachine]

75. Eat More Cock.

[RagAss]

76. Waiting for the jury notice on your post....but must admit...I laughed .

[uponit7771]

78. heh heh

[Hoyt]

77. The Klan was quite active in the town where Chick-fil-a started.

[kurtzapril4]

81. But they aren't "real" Christians in 3...2....1 n/t