the white woman who called the police on a napping black girl at yale has been doxxed

[catsudon]

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her name is found on yale's facebook page, as well as buried deep in #yalewhileblack.

she appears to be a woman's right marcher too, which comes as a surprise to me.

https://ffrf.org/legal/item/13531-thats-me-in-the-burqa-losin-my-religion

Edit, her twitter account was just deleted at 10:30 pm ET, more on #yalewhileblack

[WhiteTara]

1. white privilege rears its ugly head again.

Being for women's rights doesn't keep some women from being racists.

Welcome to DU

[Me.]

2. Given Her Bio, Her Reaction To The Sleeping Woman

must be a psychic shock to her

[ProudLib72]

3. I guess if she had been wearing a hijab she would have been left alone

Funny how that works. All sorts of different levels of hypocrisy.

[mythology]

4. People are complicated

Very few of us are all good or all bad.

[malaise]

26. +1,000

People compartmentalize and very few are consistent across the board.

[Demsrule86]

161. She is a bigot. This was not the first time. I have no use for bigots...they are frauds...yes

there can be grey...but unless she evolves , she might as well be a Trumper.

[Gothmog]

275. I hope that Yale takes some action against the white student

[WhiskeyGrinder]

5. "she appears to be a woman's right marcher too, which comes as a surprise to me."

Racism among white progressives is definitely a thing.

[Eliot Rosewater]

78. Much worse and bigger than even I had thought as little as 3 yrs ago.

I have a close friend who is like 3 minority groups herself who lives in a very wealthy city area surrounded by privileged, wealthy non POC progressives. I wont, cant use the W word, gets me way too much unwanted attention.

Anyway, she describes their behavour and attitudes to me over a period of time trying to show me that I dont have as much in common with them as I thought I did.

As a very far left liberal, not far left progressive, my basic purpose politically as well as my friends is civil rights. Rights of minorities. Rights of human beings. My pocketbook is important but NEVER as important as someone's right to life or ability to have basic human and civil rights.

It was shown to me that most of these people we were talking about did NOT value what I valued.


For instance someone should be able to sell a cigarette on a street corner and not be strangled to death, his right to life is more important than my right to a living wage. One of us is losing a right to more money, the other is losing a right to live.

[brush]

107. Agreed. Wonder if they are a part of the 53% of white women who voted for trump?

[CentralMass]

120. I doubt that it statistical higher then in other groups.

[TeamPooka]

6. amazing how threatened she was by a sleeping black woman.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

254. Seriously, now people have to worry bout sleeping while black?!?! WTF?!?!

[2naSalit]

277. Right? nt

[Anon-C]

7. Wow. She claims she's more progressive than thou?

[mercuryblues]

8. She's a special kind of idiot

believes in separation of church and state, but is more than ok if the government issues a burka/hijab ban.

hates crime legislation but calls the cops because a black student fell asleep in a common area of her dorm.

[lunasun]

11. Not special they are everywhere So concerned &gonna make everything all right even if it's not wrong

[RhodeIslandOne]

20. You misread

She “hates hate-crime legislation”, so it seems to fit her wheelhouse.

Good lord, she is fucking smug about how smart she seems to think she is.

[mercuryblues]

22. you're right

I did. What she actually wrote is much worse. She hates the burka but is fine with wearing a white sheet on her head.

[jes06c]

9. Based on what she wrote

She doesn't sound progressive at all

[lunasun]

10. She wants to ban burqas in the US ? I guess a lot of things don't belong where they are to her....

[Crunchy Frog]

12. Good. I was just about to write a post suggesting she get doxxed.

I hope she gets the massive public shaming that she deserves.

[kwassa]

13. She felt threatened by a sleeping black woman.

Aside from racist, a tightly wound bundle of self-righteousness.

[mercuryblues]

23. Some people might call her a

wypipo.

[Blue_Tires]

28. +1

[silat13]

14. Verified?

Have you verified that that is actually the young lady who called the police?

[left-of-center2012]

15. Good point

[Exotica]

38. seems to be verified

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/09/us/yale-student-napping-black-trnd/index.html

video by the female PoC included

[alarimer]

195. Exactly. I HATE internet mob justice.

The very worst aspect of our society now is the way we turn on people (often incorrectly) and justify all manner of abuse, including "doxxing". It is not any sort of justice.

[Gothmog]

274. From my twitter feed

Link to tweet

[lapucelle]

16. By "woman's rights marcher", do you mean "feminist"? N/T

[RhodeIslandOne]

17. "Neither Whores Nor Submissives"

Wow. Sounds like she’s got quite a world view.

[meadowlander]

18. Doxxing people sucks.

She made a mistake. We don't know all the details about what happened and I'm sure she's hearing about it in any case. You can post in opposition to what she did - she doesn't need to be cyberstalked as well.

Doxxing people enables bullying and death threats and violates DU terms of service:

"Don't post anyone's private or personal information
Don't post private or personal information about any person (including public figures) even if that information is available elsewhere on the Internet."

[Ron Obvious]

27. Thanks. I totally agree.

Doxing is a thoroughly nasty practice that ruins lives and it's all the more revolting because it's usually engaged in with an air of virtuous moral superiority. Yuk.

[brush]

111. Nah, she did it twice to black people in that dorm. Google it. She totally deserves...

suffering consequences for her repeat racism.

[Ron Obvious]

127. That should result in death threats and blacklisting for life should it?

God save me from righteous people and their witch hunts.

[brush]

129. Not sure from your response what side of the issue you are on but Sarah Braasch...

started the witch hunt with her second call to sic cops on innocent black people.

[Ron Obvious]

133. I often find DU nauseating lately

This is one of those times.

[brush]

141. What's your opinion? Racists should be free to sic cops on innocent black people...

Or suffer some consequences for their racism?

I'm guessing Sarah Braasch won't be doing it again.

[cwydro]

200. This is a sickening thread.

As another said, it’s revealing.

[Loki Liesmith]

142. Vigilantism is awesome

[brush]

144. Yep, that's exactly what Sarah Braasch did.

[Loki Liesmith]

148. I don't care

principled opposition to vigilantism is a requirement for civil society.

[brush]

149. So you're opposed to Sarah Braasch's vigilantism against innocent black people?

[Loki Liesmith]

168. Don't be foolish.

I’m not here to play your little gotcha games. Of course I’m against her actions. I’m also against her being doxed. If you want to discuss things like a grown-up, I’m here. Otherwise kindly shove off and do me the favor of never having to see a reply from you again.

[brush]

176. Discuss what should be the penalty for siccing cops on innocent black people then,..

considering what has happened in recent times to 12-year-old Tamir Rice, to John Crawford and countless other unarmed, innocent black people who had the temerity to make a cowardly, racist uncomfortable with their presence and end up dead for it?

How many times do these cowards get to slink away undetected without any punishment for whatever humiliation, injury, jailing or even death of the innocent people they used the cops as a valet for their racism?

Laws to levy punishment against them is in order. What do you suggest? IMO doxxing, double x byw, will put a second thought in their heads before they make their racist call.

And I could give a shit if I never hear from you again either.

[treestar]

169. No, vigilantism is not calling the cops

and taking on the action yourself. That would be getting some people to help her physically kick the girl out.

[brush]

175. However you define it, she sicced the cops on an innocent black person so that...

they would do her racist dirty work for her.

[treestar]

177. that is evil but not vigilantism

and did the cops even go along with it? Sounds like maybe not.

[Blue_Tires]

29. Fuck that shit... Maybe if more of these excitable white folks WERE doxxed

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it might deter them from calling the cops every time they see a scary black person minding their own business??

Because the number of these incidents is increasing by the week...

Nevermind the fact that every time someone calls the cops over "Someone's Existing While Black!!" they are putting that person's life in grave danger...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

54. Maybe they should just institute sensitivity training for wypipo on campus to help

avoid these incidents.

[Blue_Tires]

57. Not sure what that would do

Since this wasn't an innocent mistake made in good faith, there was actual malicious intent behind it...

Besides, Yale already has sensitivity programs out the wazoo and they didn't prevent this...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

173. Oh okay, didn't realize Yale already had such sensitivity training... good for them.

[Downtown Hound]

68. Seriously?

Sensitivity training is not, I REPEAT, NOT the magic answer for everything.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

174. Who said sensitivity training is the "magic answer for everything"?

Of course it's not, but it doesn't have to be to still be useful in helping to at least try to minimize these kind of wypipo incidents.

[hunter]

67. It's increasingly being reported, maybe because more people are aware of it. And cell phone...

... videos on social media sites document this sort of racism.

There are many communities in the U.S.A. where it's still considered completely normal to call the police whenever "suspicious" black people are about.

I grew up in such a place but I didn't know it at the time because it's not something my parents ever did, and they've always been politically active in their support of civil rights. But I'll bet maybe 30% of the people in my 99% white"home town," the same sorts of people who voted for Trump, felt it their civic duty to protect their fellow white people by calling the police on any black person who looked out of place. And the police didn't treat everyone with equal respect. Any black person who talked back to them risked arrest and violence.

[MaryMagdaline]

130. Agree. She knows damn well what happens to black people when you call the police

It was an aggressive act. Let her be exposed.

[avebury]

60. From what the victim said during the video, this

white girl called the University Police on a black male as well in the past. If she has made at least two phone calls about black people then this is not a mistake, it is intentional.

[womanofthehills]

83. When it happens two times it's not a mistake

The woman who was sleeping told the police (in the video) the same women recently called the police on her male friend who was in the hallway - because he was black.

[LanternWaste]

108. I was confident someone would criticize the act of identifying a racist while ignoring the racism.

I was confident someone would criticize the act of identifying a racist while wholly and completely ignoring the racism itself.



I'm also confident you'll advertise righteous indignation that it was pointed out.

[brush]

110. Nah, she deserves it. This is the second time Sarah Braasch called cops on innocent black...

people in that dorm (google it).

Also, there should be laws that levy consequences against racist cowards making calls to sic police on black people and other POCs because their presence makes them uncomfortable.

Are you forgetting already the Starbucks incident and the many incidents at Waffle House—not to mention the late Tamir Rice and John Crawford and on and on and on?

These were black men killed by police because of racist callers.

Doxxing is small potatoes IMO, they should be fined stiffly or jailed if their calls result in injustice, injury or death.

They shouldn't just be able to slink away undetected only to do it again at whim.

[MaryMagdaline]

136. Not to mention harassing women about wearing burqas

None of her fucking business.

[brush]

140. Yes. And she has nothing to say about nuns wearing habits.

[MaryMagdaline]

147. Yep.

[TNLib]

211. I agree I hate the whole Doxing thing

This person sucks and deserves to be fined for a fake call to the campus police or disciplined by the University. But Doxing is nothing but mob justice. It's kind of sickening.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

256. Boo fuckin' hoo for her! Maybe that'll teach her a valuable lesson & she'll cut out the wypipo BS!

[Haggis for Breakfast]

19. Hold on

This woman is a lawyer ? Then certainly she must know what it is that LEOs do, and that does not include being called because you felt threatened by a Black woman, a graduate student, no less, sleeping ? Exactly how was this woman threatening her ? Was she snoring ? Talking in her sleep ?

What is happening to white people ?

Last week, two young Mohawks were taking a tour of a Colorado college, which they had driven seven hours to see, and arrived shortly after the official tour had begun. One white woman walked up to them and started harassing them because THEY didn't talk to HER when she started pressing questions upon them. "They were too quiet." And they had made the mistake of wearing black T-shirts (They were concert souvenirs). THEY made HER nervous, so what did she do ? Why she called 911 of course.

Is it in the water ? People, get a grip.

[gyroscope]

21. I'd say its the Dump Effect

Dump openly praises white supremacists as "good people" which emboldens many of them to come out of the closet.

[geardaddy]

92. I don't think the young Native men were Mohawks

They were from Arizona. But you're right, something bad is definitely happening.

[suffragette]

150. They are Mohawk and moved from New York

To New Mexico.

[geardaddy]

199. OK, thanks.

I thought they were from a New Mexico nation.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

183. That's what TIME magazine reported.

I had to read it twice, because the Mohawk Nation is back east. But, TIME reported, "The family is Mohawk and lived in upstate New York before moving to New Mexico." Lord, I hope they got it right.

By the way, "Bydd y ddraig Gymreig yn codi eto."

(Dad's a welshman: Twll din pob Sais was his motto.)

[geardaddy]

198. OK, thanks for the clarification

I say twll din bob Sais all the time!

Dach chi'n siarad Cymraeg? O le ydy dy dad di'n dŵad?

[irisblue]

24. When she finishes grad school

A reputable (law?) firm googles her, this comes up. Forever. Racism had a cosy now a days, maybe

[gollygee]

25. As progressives, we think progressives are beyond this kind of thing

but no we aren't. We have our own mess to clean up. We need to hold ourselves accountable too. Racism is systemic - it isn't just a problem for conservatives or people in one or two parts of the country or one age group.

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

36. Oh yeah?

One of DU’s own made a racist implication right here by deliberately conflating someone’s Asian heritage with another. An “All Asians are the same” assertion.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10181078130

[Iggo]

50. Huh?

[Inkfreak]

61. Your post is a lie.

[RhodeIslandOne]

125. What she wrote is eight years old

I guarantee she’s now a full blown Trumper, IF she ever was a legitimate progressive. Nothing in what she wrote in that blog indicates that she knows what a liberal is.

[gollygee]

172. What makes me think she might consider herself to be a progressive is that she was in the women's

march.

[kcr]

30. Atheist doesn't mean progressive

Some of the most vocal atheists I've known have been the least progressive. Of course, progressive doesn't mean not racist.

[gollygee]

31. I don't think you'll find many women's rights marchers who aren't progressive. nt

[kcr]

32. Many of them are

But I don't think people who are against hate crime legislation are all that progressive. I'm just not that impressed with her. There are some white women who are all about their own rights, but fuck everyone else.

[gollygee]

34. Some don't even think into that much

She might not even realize what she's doing, but that's a big issue. And whether she actually is progressive is different from whether she thinks of herself that way. I think she probably self-labels herself as progressive, and saying she isn't really is the no-true-scotsman fallacy.

[kcr]

35. But does she self label as such?

All I've seen are others labeling her as a progressive. I'm saying I see no evidence that she is. Therefore I don't see how the NTS applies, here.

[Blue_Tires]

86. There's always exceptions:

Link to tweet

[gollygee]

99. I suspect she considers herself a progressive

We've had people on DU argue a lot of that, and I read about the slavery argument and she was assigned that side of the argument - she didn't argue it by choice. That article is about how it's possible to argue for slavery just like it's possible to argue that women should be able to wear burqas if they choose, but in both cases that's wrong

She's an extreme free-speech type, which a lot of people here are. She is against Islamic women wearing head covering if they want, which I've read here. She opposed the concept of hate crimes calling it "thought policing" which I've read here.

[Blue_Tires]

134. I am morbidly curious to know

what is considered a "winning argument in favor of slavery" by a schoolteacher...

[gollygee]

171. Oh God it said that too

She argued that some enslaved person somewhere might have liked being enslaved, therefore it was a choice for someone anyway, therefore it was ok. How that got a passing grade, let alone won, is beyond me. I'd love to talk to the teacher and get the whole story because I sensed some grandiosity behind her writing.

[Blue_Tires]

201. I saw and responded to that in some other thread...

I'm saddened that the other side of the argument wasn't able to properly counter...

[AJT]

128. Exactly......think Ayn Rand.

[Tipperary]

33. She sounds crazy as hell.

I still am not a fan of doxxing.

[sarah FAILIN]

37. I think a lot of people here didn't really watch this video

The women were neighbors.
Campus security was called because the white woman walked into the common room and turned on the light which woke up the black woman sleeping there and an argument occurred. According to what the black woman said, the white one told her she wasn't supposed to sleep in the common room which I can understand having a rule like that. This is not some white woman happening on an unknown black woman and trying to cause problems for her, This is more of a suite mate argument.

As for what the woman's other views are, I don't have time to look at her posts.bim just talking about this one incident between the neighbors.

[Exotica]

39. I agree

I also think that Sarah Braasch seems to have a history of this, and regardless of her many degrees, she seems, prima facie a bit unstable.

Here is her Yale page.

https://philosophy.yale.edu/people/sarah-braasch

Finally, I do not think one can call this a "doxxing" so to speak, as it was live-streamed on Facebook real time, so all the people involved had their names immediately out there.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/09/us/yale-student-napping-black-trnd/index.html

[MountCleaners]

153. Yikes

"address the sub-human legal status of the world’s women at the source"

While denying a black woman her rights....

[moriah]

53. Did *you* watch the video?

Or see the YGS RAs who have confirmed the victim's story this chick used the YPD as her racism valet before with a guy?

There's no mention of a rule about not sleeping in common areas, and the cops treated her as though the issue was not studying or sleeping in common areas, but that this woman thought the victim here was some homeless person who was not a student.

If it was just a spat, why all the long detention waiting for her ID to come back, or the condescending officer saying she only "felt" she had a right to be in the educational institution she's probably mortgaging her soul to pay for?

He's lucky she merely responded with "Continue. I hope this makes you feel powerful" rather than "I more than feel my student loans, officer. They pay your salary."

[sarah FAILIN]

65. Yes I did.

The long wait with the id was because it was spelled differently and something about the date confused them.

I listened to the black woman. She is the one that said the white one told her she wasn't supposed to be sleeping there. Who knows if that is a real rule, but that seems to have started the argument.

[moriah]

66. Yeah, and the woman's on tape also saying she "can't sleep there".

But at 1:30 AM you would think that a person wouldn't call the police on another student who fell asleep mid-cram.

The only sane reason was assuming she wasn't a student.

[sarah FAILIN]

70. Well no..

The story posted here didn't say this happened at 1:30 in the morning. It also didn't say they lived right next to each other. I had to figure that out myself by watching the video.

I think this story was pushed out with a lot of facts left out on purpose to let our imaginations go wild. My imagination filled in the empty spots so that I thought the sleeping woman was a stranger off the street till I watched the video That sells papers. A couple of suite mates getting into an argument does not.

[moriah]

73. They lived on different floors, watch the video.

... victim on the 5th floor, the white chick on the 12th.

Edit to clarify evidence: Beginning of first video where white chick is saying she has the right to call police, she's standing in her own doorway. Video shows that's the 12th floor.

At the end of the second video, you hear them finally confirm the victim's identity. Fifth floor.

Link to 1:30 AM assertion:

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/05/10/a-black-student-at-yale-was-napping-in-her-dorms-common-area-and-someone-called-the-police.html

[sarah FAILIN]

79. Why did she go to the 12th floor then?

Did she not have a 5th floor common area of her own?

This whole mess is twisted up. The walls and doors looked alike, so I thought they were close neighbors. Sorry.

If she were there to study, why did she turn the lights off?

[womanofthehills]

84. Article mentioned there was no 5th floor common area.

[happy feet]

93. Don't you think you're trying awfully hard to determine how to blame the victim?

That she had no business as a student cramming for exams falling asleep in a common area? Really?

[sarah FAILIN]

96. I'm trying to point out we don't have all the facts

I blame both of them, not the victim alone

Everyone seems happy to only have bits and pieces of facts though.

[moriah]

101. We have lots of facts, but you're pretending they don't exist. Nt

[sarah FAILIN]

104. We have 1 side

We don't know what happened when that light switch was flipped except what 1 person said.

There are 3 sides to anything. The version you hear from each participant and the 3rd which is in the middle and usually is the most truthful.

[moriah]

105. But you keep insisting the verified facts aren't correct.

You say they were suitemates, the video clearly has people say multiple times they live on different floors.

You ask why she wasn't in the 5th floor common area -- so did the female cop in the video, when it comes as explained there was no 5th floor common area.

You are looking for every reason to excuse this woman calling the race valets not once but twice when Yale itself has said that they have reprimanded the woman person who involved campus security and that the victim had every right to be where she was.

And the second incident has been documented and admitted to by Yale as well, that it was the same woman both times freaked out about people who happened to be black in her building.

The known facts speak for themselves.

[sarah FAILIN]

119. No they do not

As much anger as was being shown to the cops, we do not know what happened before they were called.

I have already apologized for thinking they were neighbors. I think i have also apologized in one of the many posts you made to me for thinking she should have been in the 5th floor common room and not knowing there wasn't one. There really isn't anything I can say to satisfy you, and it looks like trashing the whole thread doesn't work when you keep replying to me so I'm putting you on ignore. Goodbye.

[brush]

121. You can't possibly be serious. You blame the black woman for falling asleep cramming?

Un-fucking-belvable.

That whole incident should've been handled as adults who both lived in a the dorm—no police—I repeat, no police should have been called by Sarah Braasch to sic on a black woman.

[Demsrule86]

162. You blame the victim...what she has to jump though hoops for this racist scumbag...maybe racist girl

should be shown the door...racism can't be tolerated. Why shouldn't the victim of this nonsense nap in her dorm building...why is it this racist brat's business?

[sarah FAILIN]

97. I'll just trash the thread so I quit getting notifications

[bettyellen]

94. She could have worked by laptop and ambient light, or they could be on a motion sensor timer thing-

Super common these days. In the end, there was no reason to assume someone w a laptop and books wasn’t a student cramming who fell asleep. They’re all over campuses and no one calls the cops.

[moriah]

100. Video, which you really obviously didn't watch, explains no 5th floor common area.

Maybe she fell asleep studying and someone turned off the lights on her, she was zonked and didn't notice until the person turned them on and woke her?

[sarah FAILIN]

106. I did watch the video and it is rude of you to say I didn't.

I may have missed that during the cross talk around me and on the video, but I'm the one pointing out that I think a lot of people failed to watch it.

[LanternWaste]

109. Yours certainly is.

"to let our imaginations go wild..."

Yours certainly is. As is your narrative also.

[rusty fender]

74. Jeebus...

who hasn’t, as a college student, fallen asleep in the library or common room?

[obamanut2012]

103. The white woman LITERALLY THINKS SOME SLAVES LIKED SLAVERY

OMG

[Codeine]

113. On the wrong side of literally EVERY issue.

Every. Damned. Time.

[brush]

117. It was between neighbors. Should've been handle that way instead of siccing...

cops on a black person again.

That's right. Again. She called cops on ablack Yale student before.

[ecstatic]

249. She knew EXACTLY what she was doing when she got the cops involved. It's called racist intimidation

and it's the first thing racists threaten black people with when they can't get their way. It's even more disgusting because, as a Yale student (and an activist?) she KNEW that getting the cops involved could lead to an innocent woman dying over something super petty. Disgusting POS! F*ck her, I have zero pity for her at this point!

[HipChick]

40. She deleted her Twitter account..

could not stand the heat...I guess..

[dreamland]

41. Woman's right marcher ?

It seems to me she is in the march to benefit herself rather than for all women. Lovely thing to do and looks great on a CV to show progressive views but that doesn't mean she's not racist.

[Demsrule86]

163. woman's rights marchers don't try to make wearing any garment even a burqa illegal.

She is a fraud...and seems smug to me.

[LiberalArkie]

42. It may not have been a black/white thing at all.

It may have been "There is a poor person sleeping in the common area" thing.

[kwassa]

45. Sounds like a black/white thing to me.

What would tell the white woman the other woman was poor?

[sarah FAILIN]

47. Watch the whole video

They were arguing neighbors.

[kwassa]

48. I still don't understand the poor comment.

[sarah FAILIN]

49. Idk

Maybe they were thinking to woman called security thinking this mystery person sleeping there was homeless. The whole dynamic changes once you realize they were neighbors that shared that room.

[kwassa]

55. But WHY would she think the black woman was homeless ?????!!!!!

a lot of stereotyping going on here.

[sarah FAILIN]

64. I'm not meaning the one that called the police

I mean the poster here. A lot of us posting here, myself included, were assuming the sleeping woman was a stranger. The first thing I think of when I see someone sleeping in public is that they don't have anywhere else to sleep. Nothing to do with skin color, just the fact someone is sleeping in public.

[gollygee]

71. It wasn't in public

It was in a dorm common area. You need a key to get in there.

[sarah FAILIN]

72. Who says?

My dorm common area was open to anyone from 7 am to 10pm. They had a reception desk and would call girls down if they had a visitor if the desk was being manned. That is my perception of a late 80s common area so I thought of that openness, but I know others are more private these days. It would have been much worse if a stranger had made their way into a private common area.
At no point in this story were we told the 2 women were suite mates. You have to figure that out by watching the video.

[womanofthehills]

85. Don't you think any sane person would have noticed all her books and papers?

[sarah FAILIN]

95. The lights were off. How did she see any books?

I don't know that she had any books and papers at all since most papers are written on the computer.

The white woman turning on the light and waking up the black woman started this arguement but I think she had every right to use her own common room with the lights on. If someone wants to sleep it should be done in their own room if they don't want to be disturbed.

[kwassa]

131. I think your answers show your prejudice and white privilege.

Particularly your comment about this woman being homeless, simply because she is black.

[sarah FAILIN]

159. Your comment shows your poor reading comprehension.

I never EVER said I thought she was homeless because she is black. This is what I said.

The first thing I think of when I see someone sleeping in public is that they don't have anywhere else to sleep. Nothing to do with skin color, just the fact someone is sleeping in public

Not one time did I say anything was because she is black. You lied and expect your little group to pile on because of you pathetic lie. Hit the ignore button.

[brush]

123. Pls stop. You're losing and your privilege is showing.

[sarah FAILIN]

157. Really...

Hit that ignore button then. It makes my life so much easier.
Your "privilege is showing" is the stupid word of the day to let you join in and feel like you're part of the group. Don't waste my time.

[brush]

158. You still don't get it. You've been wasting yours.

[sarah FAILIN]

160. Goodbye.

[Blue_Tires]

152. A Yale student on twitter noted that a "homeless person"

would have needed to get past THREE layers of security to reach that room...

While it is possible, do you see a lot of homeless people willing to take that great a risk?

[sarah FAILIN]

156. I don't see a lot of homeless people period.

I also don't see a lot of people sleeping in public.

That being the experience point I'm coming from, I can see others that don't know the full story and don't know the security there could think the same.

[moriah]

59. It's *obvious* that's exactly both what chick and police were thinking.

The officers treated her as though the issue was her right to be in the dorm room she had a key for, etc.

Even the "supervisor" who heard the white woman's story first. He's the one that got condescending when she said she had the right to be in the building, saying that it didn't matter if she "felt" she had the right to be in her own dorm room instead of be detained by four officers while they investigated her ID.

And they did not give her ID back, de facto detention, until the University had confirmed its validity.

There's no mention of any rules the victim allegedly "broke", by sleeping or studying in a common area. In our dorm that was common. Yes, you're correct in hearing the "supervisor" say that the white woman claimed they got into a verbal altercation after she found her asleep, but then he tells the victim that there *was* no altercation so there was no harassment, even by their prolonged and unnecessary detention.

At no time do any of the officers, besides the female cop, act like it's obvious she's a student, and her reasoning doesn't seem to come from the off-camera interview with the other person, but that she has the key to her room, her ID, and had left her study materials upstairs. She seems to be the only one who sees through the BS.

[RhodeIslandOne]

146. How the hell are homeless people wandering into Yale dorms?

That wasn't happening 20 years ago in the dorms I lived in, how the hell is it happening now????

[sarah FAILIN]

46. No it was a neighbor thing

They lived next door to each other and had history.
They shared a common room and one got mad the other one woke her up by turning on the shared room light. The other was mad since you aren't supposed to sleep in the common room.
2 people that have to share space don't always get along.

[IronLionZion]

51. I have encountered a barefoot white woman sleeping in my stairwell

and my initial reaction is that she must have gotten drunk, passed out, and is sleeping it off. Who knows for sure. White people are not generally assumed to be homeless.

Black people are often assumed to be impoverished and trespassing.

[Iggo]

52. Or it may have been exactly what it looks like.

[gollygee]

56. Poor?

Where did that come up? I haven't read anything about her being poor and I doubt many Yale students are.

Dorms aren't open to the public. It would have to be someone with the ability to get in there.

[brush]

122. Oh, please. Watch the video. Read the story, google it for God's sake.

Your post is uninformed.

[Blue_Tires]

151. No way in hell...

If you want to say MAYBE it was a personal beef instead of a black/white thing, that is at least slightly plausible...

[Demsrule86]

164. But targeted poor 'people' just happened to be Black? Sure...............

[Initech]

43. I am honestly not OK with this sort of thing.

Yes what this woman did was completely wrong on every level. But doxxing opens not only people like this up to the worst kind of hate and harassment that the internet has to offer, but their families as well who have nothing to do with this. It's wrong on every level and we should not encourage or endorse this kind of behavior.

[backtoblue]

44. +1 nt

[regnaD kciN]

115. Same here!

And doxxing is a two-edged sword. We may LUUUUUV it when it happens to someone we dislike, but how would you like it if alt-righties were to hack DU and post your personal information on a local Stormfront-type board?

[brush]

124. Nah, Sarah Braasch is a repeat offender. If you followed the story you know that.

She excercised white privilege—again.

[Demsrule86]

165. The victims of these sort of things are usually named and face doxing too...so not feeling the

person who started this thing's pain.

[unitedwethrive]

58. Anyone else notice the racist overtones to the title of this thread? Even we on DU are not immune.

A white woman and a black girl. Are they not both college students, so approximately the same age?

[Demit]

82. I noticed that, too.

[Demsrule86]

166. I did too...I have been shocked at some of the posts by some involving race.

[RockRaven]

62. Unnecessarily/inappropriately calling the police gets people killed.

Stop doing that.

[avebury]

63. If you watch both videos of the incident, the

victim indicates that the white girl called the University police on a black male friend not that long ago. It sure looks like the white girl has called the police on black people at least twice. One call could be a mistake, two calls would indicate otherwise.

The victim indicated that the University had been notified of the white woman's behavior in the past. I am listening to the longer video with the police and the victim indicated that this was the second time that she has experienced problems with the white girl.

It would be interesting if the victim submitted an Open Records Request to find out how many phone calls the white woman has made to University Police.

[Downtown Hound]

69. To everyone complaining about this woman being doxxed

When one of you offers a satisfactory answer on how to stop this kind of behavior, then we're all ears. Until then, get over it. If you had to deal with this kind of dangerous harassment and societal double standards on a regular basis, you'd be ready to deliver a public shaming or two as well.

And as far as I'm concerned this was is well deserved.

[Marengo]

75. Innocent people are sometimes mistakenly doxxed, and in cases where the correct individual is...

Identified, innocent related or associated persons can be exposed to potential harm. It’s a low-life tactic regardless of whether the source is left or right wing, and I’d like to see it prosecuted as a crime.

[Downtown Hound]

76. Doxxing white supremacist groups is one of the most effective tools against them

It's the reason why they went underground again and are having problems paying their bills to keep their hate sites open. Again, if you have better solution as to how to stop them or this kind of blatant racism that has no place in modern society, I'm all ears.

Waiting for your ideas...

[Marengo]

80. It's a dangerous practice which should be criminalized IMO. It's also my opinion that anyone who...

Engages in or supports doxxing is of questionable character.

[Downtown Hound]

81. I don't really care what you think about my character

Anybody that feels more sorry for racists getting called out than for their victims are not people who's opinions I really care about.

[Marengo]

88. Maybe you should ask Norma Zahory and Kyle Quinn how they feel about doxxing. Be sure to tell...

Them the collateral damage they experienced was well worth the effectiveness of the tactic when the correct target is identified.

[Downtown Hound]

98. Maybe you should talk to Heather Heyer's mom

about how she feels about all the racists who caused her daughter to be run over by a car in an act of right wing terrorism, how she feels about all those Nazis who participated in Charlottesville being doxxed and publicly shamed.

Still waiting on you to come up with a better way to fight white supremacy.

[Marengo]

118. James Alex Fields was arrested fleeing the scene after killing Heather Heyer, doxxing didn't help...

Her in any way. Whatever her mother may feel about doxxing is irrelevant and doesn’t change the fact that it has caused harm to people misidentified and innocent. It’s unethical, and so is anyone practicing or supporting the tactic IMO.

[Downtown Hound]

135. So after asking several times for an answer as to how to better fight white supremecists

your big answer is to essentially let the police handle it after they kill somebody. Sorry, not good enough. Those same police pretty much stood back the entire time in Charlottesville and did nothing to intervene.

If you've forgotten already, in the aftermath of the Charlottesville riots the Nazis we're all full of bravado and claiming that they were going to start doing this everywhere. That all changed when they started getting doxxed.

http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/white-supremacists-from-charlottesville-rally-being-outed-on-social-media

They started getting fired from their jobs, they started getting shunned in their communities, they started getting ostracized socially. Today, they are in hiding, the alt right is practically non-existent, and they're even having trouble getting enough money to keep their website open.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/04/white-supremacist-website-stormfront-is-running-out-of-money.html

I'm not even going to sit here and try and tell you that it's not a tragedy when it happens to an innocent person. But ultimately, those people were cleared in the end and had their names restored. If I have to choose between that and allowing fascism and white supremacy to flourish and thrive under the guise of being anonymous, I'm afraid I'll have to choose the former. There's about 10 million victims of the Nazis and countless victims of lynchings and KKK terrorism in the United States that if I had to wager, I'd wager they'd see it my way.

[Marengo]

184. You are obviously devoted to this tactic despite acknowledging the potentiality for collateral...

Damage. As I stated earlier, I consider doxxing unethical at best and think the same of any tireless defender. If you honestly believe a misidentified target’s life can be fully restored to it’s pre-doxxing state as simply and easily as you suggest, I question your intelligence as well.

[Downtown Hound]

213. Yes, I'm dedicated to tactics that work

And a few mistakes by idiots who don't know how to do it correctly doesn't change that, and neither do people that don't recognize what the greater threat is.

And I can't help but notice that in all your self righteousness about a few cases of mistaken identity which were later rectified, you show no concern about the victims of racism and white supremacy.

[Marengo]

236. I had a feeling you would resort to the same unprincipled tactic as other poster. Guess I shouldn't

Be surprised.

[Downtown Hound]

237. And the self imposed regulator of all things principled

speaks again. Doesn't actually say anything, mind you, just speaks the same thing that has already been spoken many times.

[Marengo]

238. Rep. Katherine Clark (D-MA) is sponsoring a bill, the Online Safety Modernization Act of 2017,

Which would effectively criminalize doxxing. Is she an elitist who doesn’t care about the struggles of minorities?

[Downtown Hound]

239. More like an out of touch, centrist politician

who focuses on a few sensationalist cases and fails to either see the big picture or does see but refuses to abide by it for fear of alienating voters. There's a lot of those in the Democratic Party.

Oh and I forgot to add, also fairly wealthy and white, and probably has never been the victim of much discrimination even though she probably thinks she has.

[Marengo]

252. She's "out of touch" because she apparently recognizes the potential for harm to innocent persons...

That can (and has) result from doxxing and wants to make an effort to minimize that? Are you woke because you don’t give a shit and want it done anyway?

[Downtown Hound]

257. Or maybe she just fails to recognize the much greater

That comes to innocent people that comes from allowing Nazis, racists, and hate mongers free reign to never be publicly called out. How many unarmed black people were killed by cops last year because racists like this sicced the police on them? How many people were killed by false doxxing? I still have yet to hear you express anything even approaching concern for the countless innocent victims of racism.

[Marengo]

260. And again you clearly demonstrate you don't give a shit about those that have been harmed. It's...

Okay with you so long as no one is killed. You don’t think this can ever happen?

[Downtown Hound]

262. Oh blah, blah, blah, I've already answered that multiple times

You've grown boring and repetitive.

Answer one of my questions for a change if you want me to answer any more of yours. Until then, I'm done with you.

Ah what the hell, I'll answer it one more time. YES. I'm willing to accept a small amount of collateral. It's called war. I didn't start it. I don't want it. They started it. But call it for what it is. War. There hasn't been a war in history that hasn't resulted in collateral.

This difference between you and me is I'm not a cowardly hypocrite who denies that there will be a tiny amount of collateral from doxxing racists. But you are too much of an intellectual coward to admit that you are willing to accept a lot of collteral as well, even more than I am, by allowing racism to go unchallenged, and giving those who engage in it legal cover behind a shield of anonymity. Try pointing that judgy finger at yourself once in awhile and ask yourself how many victims of racism there have to be before you are willing to take a stand against those who perpetuate it?

How many? Don't even bother asking me another question until you answer that one. How many victims are you willing to tolerate?

[Marengo]

268. You insinuate anyone who doesn't support doxxing to be accepting of racism, yet label me an...

Intellectual coward? What you have resorted to in defense of your immoral position is the apex of intellectual cowardice. If that’s all you have, discussion over. You’re a waste of my time.

[Downtown Hound]

269. Still haven't answered the question

You're an intellectual coward because you refuse to despite me asking multiple times. I am not going to answer anything else from you until you do.

How many?

[Marengo]

270. Back for more? I thought you were done?

[Downtown Hound]

271. Just checking to see if you were going to answer it for once

I can see now you're not. So, peace out.

[Marengo]

272. Run along and accuse someone else of being a racist for not buying your bullshit.

[brush]

276. Downtown Hound, you rock.

[ck4829]

279. Seconded

[womanofthehills]

89. What gets me in most of these cases are that the racists are so f**king dumb - (hello cellphones)

If you are dumb enough to act or speak in a racist manner while being videotaped, you should expect to be doxxed. If you don't expect to, I guess you have never watched the news or have no idea about cause and effect.

Does racist hate overtake rationality? Hello, you might end up on the news - all your neighbors will see you including some that might be unstable.

[Marengo]

91. A head scratcher for certain, especially considering the RW engages in doxxing as well and one...

Would assume the morons are aware of this. But, as you say, it would seem the hate overwhelms rationality.

[brush]

154. That's your opinion. I otoh am glad the Charlottesville racists were doxxed...

and glad that this woman's name was made public. She sicced cops twice on innocent black people in that dorm so it was no mistake.

There should be consequences to racists using police as their valets because the presence of black people make them uncomfortable.

I question the character of anyone who doesn't get that?

That has the potential of more Tamir Rices, John Crawfords and on and on and on. It's a roll of the dice as to whether you get a reasonable cop or a racist cop eager to shoot a black person.

She should have worked the situation as an adult with another adult who both live in that dorm. No cops were necessary, but having done it before, that was her way of ridding her presence of black people.

[dalton99a]

181. +1. Best way to avoid publicity: Don't act like a racist asshole in public.

[brush]

182. Good advice, and I'd add in private as well.

[Marengo]

185. The potentiality of exposing innocent persons to potential harm by misidentification is acceptable..

To you?

[brush]

204. Tamir Rice, John Crawford and on and on and on

Are those deaths acceptable to you and the racist caller just slinks away with no consequences levied?

Until false complaint laws are in place and enforced making these callers know that their names may be made public will make them think twice about calling to complain that a black person's presence made them un-fucking-comfortable.

[Marengo]

206. How is the Tamir Rice case relevant to a discussion on doxxing?

[brush]

208. Huh? If you don't know why are you even in this discussion?

[Marengo]

212. LOL! Try again with something relevant. The 911 caller in the Rice case clearly stated be believed..

The weapon to be a fake. The call to 911 was entirely appropriate considering the behavior of Rice as described.

[brush]

215. You really are uninformed. Google Tamir Rice and educate yourself.

[Marengo]

216. Nope. You're just spitting out words to see where they splatter, to paraphase The Duke. It's not...

Relevant, and you know it.

[brush]

218. You're uninformed and not worth further discussion.

[Marengo]

221. As I expected with you as well. You attempted an unprincipled tactic, got called on it, and are...

Now bailing.

[Downtown Hound]

225. You declaring it to be always unprincipled does not automatically make it so

Sorry, but you are not the high ruler of all moral authority. Sorry to break it to you.

[Marengo]

228. I most certainly am inhabiting the high ground on this issue, and have considerable company. Your...

Position on this practice, to be frank, is immoral IMO. That’s not likely to be changed by you or any other advocate of doxxing.

[Downtown Hound]

230. Fine.

As I've now stated several times. I don't really care what your opinion is. Those who doxxed the Charlottesville Nazis stopped a budding fascist movement in it's infancy before it could gain any traction and cause even more death. That's something that I KNOW FOR CERTAIN you will never do or ever even attempt to do, much less succeed at, while you're sitting comfortably in your home typing on your computer hiding in your self-created bubble of moral high ground.

Personally, I don't see anything moral about that. More intellectual and elitist snobbery backed up by weak and token activism that will never really accomplish much but at the end of the day will make you feel good about yourself which you can then brag about online to anybody that will listen.

The moral ones, the truly moral ones, are the ones who dedicated their time and energy to fighting these fascists that turned one city into a war zone and would have done the same to many others if they hadn't been stopped. I thank them for being true heroes, not you.

Have a nice day.

[Marengo]

234. I'm "elitist" for believing the rule of law is preferable to vigilantism for the protection of...

The innocent? I find this conversation has led my mind to a rather dark place, a place where I’m hoping you will be mistakenly doxxed. After all, the RW does as well.

[Downtown Hound]

235. LOL!

So now you wish upon me what I have never wished on somebody else, to be mistakenly doxxed.

You sound like a vigilante.

And where do you stand on protecting minorities from racism since you're so concerned about the innocent? Oh I forgot, call the police after one of them is dead and just hope they don't botch the case like they did with Trayvon Martin. I'm still waiting for you to come up with an idea on how to combat this that doesn't require a dead body.

Plus I can also tell you this, if I ever was mistakenly doxxed, the very first thing I would do is go on every social media account in existence and declare my innocence and explain why they have the wrong person. If I had to wager, I'd bet I'd could have it cleared up within a few days at the most.

And I would consider it time well spent, if, in the greater scheme of things, it caused a whole movement of racists to be driven underground. Yes, I would consider that worth it.

[Marengo]

240. If you bothered to research the real-life experiences of mistakenly doxxed persons, you would

Discover that wager would be lost. You seem to be making the truly bizarre assumption that everyone who would have access to your doxxed info is a sane, rational person. Would you go onto the sites inhabited by neo-Nazis to plead your case? Do you actually expect to be warmly received?
The consequences may be acceptable to YOU, but you don’t get to decide that for others.

[Downtown Hound]

242. I wouldn't give a shit about the neo-Nazis

If they were doxxing me it WOULD NOT, I repeat, WOULD NOT be a case of mistaken identity. I oppose them with every blood fiber in my being, so if I was being doxxed by them it would be because I did something that got their attention and they found out about it and doxxed me. In which case I would not plead my innocence, I would confess my guilt, tell them to go fuck themselves, and state that I would do it again in heartbeat.

The hypothetical scenario you keep sounding the air raid siren over would be something in which I was accused of being or doing something I wasn't or I didn't, say for example, falsely being accused of being a neo-Nazi. In this case, it would be fairly easy for me to prove my innocence. First of all, if they started calling my job to get me fired, well, I work for a very enlightened company with good progressive values, and I have a good relationship with my supervisors. They would believe me if I told them that it was a case of mistaken identity and they would stand by me. Plus, they'd probably secretly be proud of me for being the progressive that I am.

Second, I have a long history of activism, including arrests on my record, for acts of civil disobedience for left wing causes, including one against California's prop 8, which made gay marriage illegal. It would be pretty easy for me to prove that I am not, in fact, a Nazi, and most of the people who know me would laugh at the idea, so I doubt I would lose many friends. I have more than 10,000 posts on DU, as well as facebook and other sites, all of which would show a strong commitment to progressive ideals and anti-racism.

I don't call the cops on people of color for merely being in a certain place, So I don't think I have to worry about being doxxed for that. In fact, I go out of my way to avoid calling the cops at all unless its absolutely necessary. In other words, yes, I do think it would be pretty easy for me to prove my innocence to those who matter. If it was Nazis, LOL. They can go to hell. No need to prove my innocence with them except to prove I wasn't one of them.

[Marengo]

245. Oh, so because you would be okay with being mistakenly doxxed, everyone else should as well?

[Downtown Hound]

246. Should minorities have to live with organized, underground, violent opposition against them

or have police constantly harass them because there have been a few times in the past where some idiots didn't take the time to make sure they did it correctly?

You keep sensationalizing this as if it's likely to happen at any moment. You do realize that your chances of it ever happening to you or somebody you know are virtually none to very, very very, very very very very very, small? And if it ever has happened to you, you are a member of a very, very very, very ,very, small community?

By contrast, what are the odds that any African American has at some point in their lives had the police called on them? Been singled out in a store by security? Been the victim of overt racism? Been assaulted for his race? Been marginalized at work?

Yet, you seem to think all of that is less important than the literally one in millions chance that you or anybody you know will ever be the victim of a mistaken doxxing.

[Marengo]

250. I wonder what the members of this community might think of your absolute disdain for what...

has been described by several of its members as a nightmarish experience. What does this disdain reveal about your character? In another post, you boast about how allegedly effective your creds would be in shielding you from the collateral damage of misidentification without any apparent acknowledgement or concern that not everyone has such resources or support. That, along with all of the self congratulatory celebration of your alleged progressiveness, revealed to me absolute selfishness of your position on this matter. You simply don’t give a shit, so long as your malformed concept of justice is served.

[Downtown Hound]

255. No one is showing them contempt

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That's just you trying to play up the victimhood angle you're so fond of.

I could just as easily say you are the selfish one for expecting minorities to tolerate organized racism by trying to take away one of the most effective tools for fighting it and punishing it because you want to focus on a few regrettable incidents (which I am not and have never made excuses for. Those that were responsible for that should be held accountable) and ignore the fact that doxxing racists works. You say I'm willing to tolerate collateral for my idea of justice. I say you're willing to tolerate far more collateral than I ever would just so you can hold everybody to your idea of "principled action." At least my way racism gets outed and exposed. Your way allows it to hide under anonymity and protection and get stronger, causing more and more collateral all the time.

[Marengo]

259. You are showing them contempt. Repeatedly in this discussion. EOD

[Marengo]

248. If doxxing was fool proof, Norma Zahory would never have been misidentified. There's absolutely...

No guarantee that you cannot be doxxed for something you didn’t do. There is no guarantee you cannot yourself be subjected to the collateral damage you find acceptable and apparently expect others to accept.

[Downtown Hound]

258. I never said there was a guarantee

I said it was highly unlikely to happen to you, as in you probably have a greater statistical chance of winning the lottery three times than of getting wrongfully doxxed.

[Marengo]

261. When it does happen, it's no dig deal according to you. Collateral damage well worth the cost.

[Downtown Hound]

263. Same thing to you with victims of racial profiling and other abuses

Yakkity yak. Done with you.

[Marengo]

267. Your apparent belief that doxxing is the only effective method to counter racial profiling etc.,...

Is truly bizarre and your absolute lack of concern for the collateral damage that it has caused, and will continue to cause, is an indicator of a malignant character. That now fully revealed, we are indeed done. At least until it happens again, then perhaps I’ll encourage you to reach out to the victim to let that person know that no matter how horrifying the experience, it’s an acceptable price to pay. If are you indeed the courageous warrior you present yourself as.

[Downtown Hound]

219. If you're asking that question then you're really not paying attention.

Take a wild guess as to why Tamir Rice might be relevant. iIm guessing you can figure it out.

[Marengo]

220. Oh, I know the answer. It's not relevant, but nice try.

[Downtown Hound]

222. Um, actually it is relevant

And you pretending otherwise is dodging the question.

[Marengo]

224. LOL! Again, it's not. As I know you must be aware of this, I must wonder what your intent to...

Insist otherwise is? Am I to draw the same conclusion on you as with the other poster?

[Downtown Hound]

226. You openly admit you understand how it's relevant

but that you're not going to admit that it is, and then you go on to try and say it's not relevant.

And you say I should question my intelligence?

[Marengo]

229. LOL! Now I must seriously question your reading comprehension in addition to your intelligence.

[Downtown Hound]

231. Question away.

It changes nothing about how you repeatedly dodge the question. In fact at this point you're pretty much running circles around it.

[MaryMagdaline]

138. Doxxing is one method where black people don't get killed

It's a valuable and warranted defense mechanism to fight white supremacy.

[Downtown Hound]

139. Indeed.

[Quayblue]

180. Thank you.

[Marengo]

186. The neo-Nazis engage in doxxing as well. To suggest that only culpable persons can be harmed by...

It is absurd.

[MaryMagdaline]

189. I'm suggesting no such thing

I am suggesting that it is a valuable weapon and black people do not need to unilaterally disarm.

Calling the police with false reports is a public act which violates the civil rights of innocent people. If the police are not issuing citations for false reporting, doxxing is an appropriate response.

Innocent people are harmed by all sorts of things. Does not mean we cannot use a successful tactic against bad people.

[Marengo]

191. Oh, so you're okay with collateral damage on innocent people. What does that say about your...

Character?

[MaryMagdaline]

192. It says that I'm sick to hell of people violating civil rights of others

I'm a Democrat, not a passivist. Black people brought about civil rights revolution by engaging in brilliant, tactical, disciplined non-violent social and legal strategy. I don't need to question their right to expose racists and I don't need to micromanage their ability to fight a moral, nonviolent battle against white supremacy. So far, they've done well without my input.

[Marengo]

193. Democrats enthusiastically support a tactic widely...

Regarded as dangerous and unethical? A practice which has demonstrably harmed innocent persons? A Congressional Democrat has sponsored a bill which would effectively render doxxing illegal, is she not a proper Democrat?

[MaryMagdaline]

194. You're having a nice debate with yourself

Continue

[Marengo]

197. LOL! As I expected, thanks for the confirmation.

[Downtown Hound]

223. We lock criminals up in prison

Sometimes, we make mistakes and put the wrong person in there. It doesn't mean we stop putting criminals in prison. It means we strive to make a better system for doing so so that incidents like that are kept to a minimum. Are you going to go around and demand we demolish all prisons because of the danger of collateral and say no one should ever be arrested again because sometimes people are unjustly arrested??

[Marengo]

232. Weak ass argument. There is no formal system in place that regulates the practice of doxxing that

Would be comparable to the code of law. It’s vigilantism. Your argument could be used to justify lynching. If they get right person most of the time, it might just be worth it.

[Downtown Hound]

233. Hardly.

There is nothing illegal about doxxing. It is protected speech.

[MaryMagdaline]

281. +1

[brush]

126. What was low-life was Sarah Braasch siccing cops on black people...

again. That's right, if you followed the story you know this was no mistake. Brasssch called the cops before on a black Yale student in that dorm.

Time to break the habit of these closet, white racists calling the cops on innocent black people becaus their presence makes them feel "uncomfortable".

What, no mention of the racism by you?

Come on, we're on DU, allegedly all progressives.

[Marengo]

187. Someone who doesn't support doxxing is a racist?

[brush]

203. Where did you read that?

[Marengo]

205. Oh please, try that bullshit with someone else.

[brush]

207. Speaking of bs, don't make up things. I didn't write that and you know it.

[Marengo]

210. LOL! Transparent pretending is transparent. Save the "who me???" act for someone incapable of...

Recognizing what you are attempting.

[NutmegYankee]

155. How would you overcome the First Amendment to criminalize it?

Posting someone’s name is completely protected speech.

[Marengo]

190. I don't hold a JD degree, but I can't imagine that would be impossible considering the intent and...

Knowledge of the potentiality of illegal consequences. I believe the Online Safety Modernization Act of 2017 addresses this issue.

[NutmegYankee]

247. It's easy to overcome that bill.

The person just has to say they didn’t intend it for harassment, or threatening and only to make others aware of the person for their own protection.

In other words, the intent part is extremely hard to prove in court. But cops would love to abuse it to silence those who call out racists. It’s a handy tool of oppression. Thankfully the ACLU would destroy it quickly in court.

[Marengo]

251. You may be right. On the other hand, if it can be proven the doxxer was aware of the potentiality...

Of harassment, harm, etc. to the target, I wonder if that would be sufficient to secure a conviction. At any rate, I’d like to see doxxers relentlessly pursued and subjected to the tender mercies of the Federal criminal justice system. Even if conviction were to be rare, runnig enough of them through that painful and protracted process may serve as a deterrent to doxxers of all political affiliations.

[NutmegYankee]

253. That very scenario would make the law unconstitutional.

Courts look specifically to strike down vague and overly broad laws. When it comes to an enumerated right, like speech, the compelling governmental interest must be specific and clear and the law narrowly tailored to address that need.

This leads to another interesting discussion - what under the law is personally identifiable info.
I mean, if it’s name, address, and phone number, then any phone book publisher should get the death penalty or something. But in a serious note, this is already public info and preventing someone from pointing it out is flat out unconstitutional. This law might have a chilling effect on otherwise normal behavior like identifying people in yearbook photos or in old photos taken of public events, which again, is death (strike down) in the courts.

[Marengo]

264. All good points, and philosophically I agree. However, having been on the receiving end of vicious,

Prolonged harassment spanning several states which required law enforcement intervention, I’m fairly prickly about casual attitudes towards the availability of personal info in the public sphere. Having experienced considerable mental strain in the process, I’ve adopted a lock-it-all-down attitude. I know you’re right of course, but unfortunately I exist in a state of mind where I trust no one (outside my immediate family) with ANY personal info.

[NutmegYankee]

266. I do understand your valid concerns with our data everywhere modern world.

It's getting hard to drop off the grid is you want to. I've helped family friends escape abusive spouses/boyfriends and it's hard to hide their location with the endless array of systems everywhere seeking to collect info. One abuser asked the front desk of a grocery store to replace a store card his girlfriend "lost". They happily confirmed the address with him, causing her even more terror now that he had found her location.

And of course our treatment of this issue is very situational:
About 6 years ago I remember an incident that demonstrated this situational approval (or blatant hypocrisy) of doxing. A newspaper in New York published a google map of everyone who had a pistol permit in two counties. The map resulted in exposing department of corrections employees addresses as well as dozens of women who were escaping domestic abusers. Here on DU many people reacted to this doxing with delight. When one of those doxed responded by doxing the staff of the newspaper in retaliation, those same people were angry. But the actions were the same.

[Demsrule86]

167. I agree.

[ck4829]

209. LOL, you're not going to get a satisfactory answer

I see too many people saying that pretty much every avenue of resistance against oppression is bad and that we should never use these strategies, but they suggest nothing that we should be doing instead.

It needs to be a rule for people on the left - If you don't like a way of fighting back, then you need to suggest an alternative strategy that performs the same end result. (In this particular case, how do we fight back against white people using the police as their way of getting pesky black people out of their peripheral vision?)

[Downtown Hound]

214. Exactly.

That's why I always ask that question. The people that are always waxing poetic about their moral and ethical superiority over people that are actually taking the time to do the heavy lifting never have ANY ideas of their own on how to combat these things in a way that would fit their "ideals." All this particular person has had to offer is let the police do something after someone is dead. But never do anything to prevent the death in the first place.

[TNLib]

217. I'd rather see her fined by the University for fake calls to the police

or disciplined in some way by the University.

We need to put pressure on the business', institutions like University and Police departments to handle these encounters in a fair manner and push for laws and policies that would make a racist asshole think twice about calling the police.

[Downtown Hound]

227. You really think that would happen? LOL.

[AllaN01Bear]

77. wonder what would happen if that were pullled on white people ?.

[Blue_Tires]

87. so much for the "she was a progressive" talking points

Link to tweet

[geardaddy]

90. Good. She sounds like complete nutjob.

[obamanut2012]

102. She is also a licensed attorney in NYS

[RhodeIslandOne]

132. It makes sense

She is clearly from that school of “I’ll have you know I’m a lawyer!!!!”

[rockfordfile]

145. No wonder

[IluvPitties]

112. It was a mistake. Leave her alone.

[gollygee]

114. So she picked up the phone and her fingers slipped on the 9 and the 1 and then the 1 again? nt

[IluvPitties]

116. Bad decision.

As a person of color,I believe in forgiveness as a way to change hearts.

[johnp3907]

137. Not her only "mistake."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210599709

How many mistakes does she get to make before criticism is justified?

[Iggo]

244. Not a mistake. That's how she does.

[rockfordfile]

143. Her actions show the true character

[EllieBC]

170. She's a women's rights marcher? Well the people in charge of it

defend antisemites. So there you go.

[Tipperary]

188. Wow, this thread speaks volumes about some people here.

Smh.

[betsuni]

196. Why, what do you mean?

[Tipperary]

265. Read the damn thread.

If you are not sickened, I feel bad for you.

[catrose]

202. The link didn't work

Was she doxxed as in “This is Sarah Braasch, who lives at123 Penny Lane, phone number 555-123-4567, email [e-mail], or was just her name released? It’s been annoying me that the victim’s name is released but not the harasser’s. Same with the Students in Colorado. Mrs. Fragility’s name is withheld; the Native boys’ names everywhere.

[dalton99a]

278. +1. She was identified, not "doxxed"

If you act like an asshole in public, expect to be identified by somebody who recognizes you

[cyclonefence]

241. White woman, black girl?

I'm confused.

[Iggo]

243. Doxxing sucks. She's an asshole. (n/t)

[Gothmog]

273. Yale Student Is Demanding The White Woman Who Called The Police On Her Be Expelled

There need to be some consequences https://newsone.com/3798939/lolade-siyonbola-sarah-braasch-yale-expelled/#.WvoE_8zuMY8.twitter

On Monday, May 7, White Yale graduate student Sarah Braasch called the cops on Lolade Siyonbola, who will graduate in 2019, for napping in a dorm common room, the Yale Daily News reported. Officers questioned Siyonbola for 15 minutes, claiming that they couldn’t verify she was a student, an encounter which she recorded and posted on Facebook. Though Yale President Peter Salovey denounced Braasch’s actions, she maintains she had the right to alert the police.

There has been national outrage over the incident and now Siyonbola, 28, is calling for Braasch, 43, to be expelled. In an interview with Good Morning America, she said, “Someone who uses the police in the way that Sarah uses it should be held accountable.” Braasch reportedly called the cops on another Black student a few months ago. Siyonbola continued, “Whether that’s expulsion [or] some other form of disciplinary action, there needs to be some punitive measures for people who act out of racially motivated bias.”

She also told the morning show, “I have always said to myself since Sandra Bland was killed, I said to myself if I ever have an encounter with police I’ll film myself.” Sandra Bland died in police custody in 2015 in Texas, and her family maintains it was not a suicide.

Braasch absolutely needs to be punished. While it is good that Yale President Peter Salovey spoke out, Braasch needs to be a clear example that this behavior is unacceptable. Anything less than that would be condoning her clear racism

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