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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMorning Joe implicates vice president in Mueller probe:
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/05/morning-joe-implicates-vice-president-mueller-probe-mike-pence-want-kill-investigation/MSNBCs Joe Scarborough implicated Vice President Mike Pence in the coverup of potential Russia collusion by the Trump campaign.
The vice president told MSNBCs Andrea Mitchell that special counsel Robert Mueller should end his yearlong investigation into President Donald Trump and his associates that has resulted in five guilty pleas and 19 indictments.
Our administration has been fully cooperating with the special counsel, and well continue to, Pence told Mitchell. What I think is that its been about a year since this investigation began. Our administration has provided more than a million documents. Weve fully cooperated in it, and in the interest of the country, I think its time to wrap it up.
I would very respectfully encourage the special counsel and his team to bring their work to completion, the vice president added.
The Morning Joe host said Pences comments raised serious questions about his own potential legal jeopardy in the probe.
I think it is a fair time to start asking this question: What did Mike Pence know and when did he know it? Scarborough said. Mike Pence is an honorable man, Mike Pence says that Gen. (Michael) Flynn lied to him. Really? Did he? Is this the way Mike Pence wants this investigation to begin and then end prematurely before we get the truth to all the questions?
(end snip)
Funny that Mueller has not interviewed Pence to my knowledge.
ffr
(22,648 posts)Pence has his own set of legal & criminal issues he doesn't want discovered.
Time to put some heat on our elected representatives to make that choice too. Which is it, loyalty or country?
peggysue2
(10,811 posts)Spiro Agnew replicant. Then George Will's Op-Ed in WAPO eviscerated Pence for his hypocrisy and obsequiousness on all things Trumpster.
Getting ugly out there. What's a poor Born Again to do?
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Pence is an evangelist to the fullest. There's something else afoot here.
lapfog_1
(29,166 posts)"I have sinned against you, my lord!" Swaggart...
And Jim Bakker... and so many others.
Add Pence to the pile of fake evangelists.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Thats usually at the end stage of the scandal, but we havent even gotten to Mikey yet.
I have a feeling its gonna get a LOT uglier. Keep your head down, peggysue.
Cha
(295,908 posts)Like they always do.. support the biggest perverts on the Planet.
peggysue
NeoGreen
(4,030 posts)...should take the GIF on the bottom of your page and superimpose Mueller's face over Snape's.
Just sayin'.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)On previous shows Scar said: "Mike Pence SAYS he was lied to. He SAYS because he was lied to, that's why Flynn was fired.'
Joe put much emphasis on the word "SAYS". So today, he's openly questioning his story. GOOD!
Cha
(295,908 posts)and Scar knows a lot more about it than I do.
Mahlao, Pearlie
barbtries
(28,702 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,154 posts)And yet he agreed to run and serve under a liar, an adulterer, a women abuser, a cheat, a racist, a pervert, and someone that claimed he didn't need forgiveness from God.
Sure, he's "honorable".
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Very regularly, esp. when referring to her indirectly. And my grandma referred to him as 'dad' or 'daddy' as well.
It's not imho strange for married couples to start referring to each other that way after years and years of saying 'go ask your mom' and that sort of thing when speaking to the kids. Eventually it just kinda becomes 'their name'.
Just sayin' ... pretty low on my list of 'why I can't stand Pence', put it like that
RestoreAmerica2020
(3,433 posts)ashtonelijah
(340 posts)In Julius Caesar, Brutus tries to depict his murder of Caesar as a noble act done out of love for country placing himself on a pedestal as if he only had honorable intentions. Mike Pence always tries to put himself on a similar pedestal.
When Marc Antony speaks to the crowd, he describes Brutus crimes and always follows up with But Brutus is an honorable man. He uses the honorable man line to enrage the crowd and inspire mutiny that ultimately leads to Brutus death.
This is the speech:
The noble Brutus
Hath told you Caesar was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Caesar answerd it.
Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest
For Brutus is an honourable man;
So are they all, all honourable men
Come I to speak in Caesars funeral.
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man.
He hath brought many captives home to Rome
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:
Did this in Caesar seem ambitious?
When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept:
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man.
You all did see that on the Lupercal
I thrice presented him a kingly crown,
Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?
Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;
And, sure, he is an honourable man.
I speak not to disprove what Brutus spoke,
But here I am to speak what I do know.
You all did love him once, not without cause:
What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?
O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;
My heart is in the coffin there with Caesar,
And I must pause till it come back to me.
renate
(13,776 posts)Well done!
RestoreAmerica2020
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...things repub, yet he poses as a 'reformed repub and or never trumper, and or newly converted independent aka repub,' as we've seen gop and political pundits take same stance, Yet, are they really never trumpers?
For years Scarborough that lauded his buddy trumpf....now suddenly he's anti- trumpf, quasi anti-repub? Nah just don't buy it --given that his daily comment smacks of republican so called values and policies that target non-white, non-christians, lgbt, immigrants and refugees, women. Scarborough's morning program is an extension of Fox news with a smattering of subtle racial bias, bigoted undertones that appeals to republican base. Of course, that's my opinion.
As for Scarborough referencing Cesar, perhaps --is Pence the loyal Brutus who stands for love of country at all cost. or is he the coniving opportunist we find in marc antony...yet both conspired to kill Julius..as you know, Brutus and Senators stab him to death ..shocked at his disloyal friend, Ceasar says to Brutus, you too? Et tu brute? I see Pence as a coward, lacking integrity a man who stands for nothing, like his boss. "A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."
DownriverDem
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pence has been hiding so that he can take over. I bet there's more there and I hope it comes out.
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)Thanks for the thread, deminks
pecosbob
(7,507 posts)C Moon
(12,188 posts)The GOP is currently the party of traitors.
They are doing NOTHING to stop Russia from interfering with the U.S. elections. And appear to actually be helping Russia to interfere.
NewJeffCT
(56,827 posts)is it possible that he is a target as well as Trump, Stone, Kushner and the Trump boys?
TalenaGor
(1,103 posts)he knows when Meuller 'wraps it up' he will be....
Hekate
(90,189 posts)The worst thing that could happen, is to have Cheeto impeached or resign - but be left with Dense Pence.
He's just as complicit in Trussiagate (hand-picked by Putin), and even more extreme.
sandensea
(21,529 posts)Pence's brother Ed is a Russian asset, through his ties to the Russian machinery giant Kamaz.
BigmanPigman
(51,430 posts)I googled him to see if it is the same sibling but it is a different one (apparently he has 5 or 6).
sandensea
(21,529 posts)They owe Uncle Vlad so much.
Ligyron
(7,592 posts)To them, this transcends country.
sandensea
(21,529 posts)They're using Putin, just as he's using them.
dmr
(28,321 posts)Remember he was in on Manafort's ruse. When Manafort told Trump his airplane needed to be serviced overnight ... that was to convince Trump to choose Pence as his running mate.
Pence (and Mother) were ready and waiting for the "impromotu" meet up, and I think breakfast the next morning. Yeah, I believe he was hand picked. He came out of nowhere, just as Manafort came out of nowhere.
At the time, Pence, was trying for a second term as Indiana's governor. But he was intensely disliked, and pretty much unelectable.
His bad baggage was a perk up from Trump's rotten baggage, so he became somewhat of an asset in the race. Makes me, literally, sick.
Now, supposedly, he's seen as a God fearing, salt of the earth, honorable man.
I can't stand to even think about this pious asshole.
It troubles me that no one bothers to investigate Pence. If they have, I haven't heard anything.
It's painful to know that every time we turn around there's a Russian lurking in the shadows, and the balance of powers (Congress) do nothing -- except to demonize and de-legitamize those (DOJ, FBI, journalists) who are trying to protect us from this gutter government.
At least with George W, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rove, I knew we'd be able to regroup and be okay once they left office. These days, however, I've lost that optimism. That breaks my heart.
sandensea
(21,529 posts)Where the HELL are our intelligence agencies?
I mean, we give them the power to know what color underwear we're wearing - but they can't do anything about a Russian (and possibly Isreali) takeover of the White House!?!
Our country needs you gentlemen, now more than ever.
The FBI are already currently being accused of framing Trump.
You're right. The press and intelligence agencies had dirt on Trump during the campaign that wasn't released. Could the case possibly be that they were as surprised as we were that the psychopathic son of a bitch was elected?
sandensea
(21,529 posts)I've often read that what really bogs down the intelligence community, is the thousands of entrenched Cold War dinosaurs whose opinions basically determine their agencies' course of action.
The problem there is that a lot of them still have a left-right obsession that effectively acts as blinders against today's far more nuanced threats - such as flag-waving, easily-bribed moles in high places.
Duppers
(28,094 posts)Be the very ones who are most suspicious of the Russians??
sandensea
(21,529 posts)My understanding, such at it is, is that there are so many partisan Republicans in the CIA and ONI especially (and some of the other agencies as well), that they have an almost default reaction of friendly permissiveness toward GOP corruption - but feel deep suspicion, alarm, and even hostility toward any Democrat making even small waves (as Jimmy Carter could attest to - but of course wouldn't).
Republicans were clever to hijack the intelligence agencies in the early (Eisenhower) years, during which anyone seen as "soft" (i.e. Democrats or non-partisan) were basically pushed out by Dulles.
They had two more such purges during the Reagan and Dubya years, you'll recall. I don't think they've still recovered.
They would have never allowed such a character into the White House otherwise, I'm sure.
Duppers
(28,094 posts)The major one:
"
...default reaction of friendly permissiveness toward GOP corruption - but feel deep suspicion, alarm, and even hostility toward any Democrat making even small waves..."
neohippie
(1,142 posts)Why would Manafort insist that Trump choose Pence as his Vice President?
http://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-was-handpicked-paul-manafort-696412
And
https://www.thenation.com/article/manafort-monday-turns-into-a-very-bad-day-for-trump-and-mike-pence/
But the Manafort-Pence connection ought not be underestimated. Indeed, when CNN reported in December that Manafort hadreemerged as a player in the fight to shape the new administration, the network explained that with Pence firmly entrenched in Trumps inner circle Manafortwho keeps a home in Trump Towerhas a direct line to top decision-makers.
Pence ran the transition team, which populated the Trump administration with scandalous figures who have been accused of serious wrongdoing, including ousted White House national-security adviser Mike Flynn. After Flynn exited the administration under a cloud, Pence adopted his own I-know-nothing stance. But then it was revealed that Maryland Congressman Elijah Cummings, the ranking Democrat on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, had informed Pence in a November 18, 2016, letter that he was concerned about ethical issues that could arise from Lt. Gen. Flynns involvement in advising Mr. Trump on matters relating to Turkey or Russiaincluding attending classified briefings on those matters
Cummings said Pence and the transition team had 17 or 20 red lights regarding Flynn, yet Flynn got security post.
There is a fantasy that suggests that Mike Pence is a mere spectatorand an ignorant one, at thatwhen it comes to the scandals associated with the Trump campaign, the Trump transition, and the Trump administration. That has never been true. Pence has often been at or near the center of things. And, as attention turns toward Manafort, it must also turn toward Pence.
For months this is what I've been telling people who take the "but-Trump-is-not-as-bad-as-Pence-would-be" stance.
Pence should also go down! Does the Republican Party even have a bottom?!
Cha
(295,908 posts)wants the investigation to end before it takes all the Russian mole, sewerats down.. including him.