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MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
Fri May 11, 2018, 03:43 PM May 2018

Some Folks Said - 'All We Need Is More Progressive Candidates'

Well, there were a bunch of those running in the primaries this past Tuesday. They were supported by the people who told us that if we ran true progressives we'd be sure to win.

Guess what? Every last one of those progressive candidates lost. Every candidate who was endorsed by Our Revolution, the best known alternative progressive organization, lost. None of them will be on the November ballot.

Here's my idea: Let's put our energy and efforts into a massive GOTV campaign for the November General Election. Let's elect the Democrats who win their primaries and take back majority control of the House, Senate and state legislatures. Let's argue about who is more progressive than whom after we accomplish that crucial goal.

How does that sound?

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Some Folks Said - 'All We Need Is More Progressive Candidates' (Original Post) MineralMan May 2018 OP
K&R ! stonecutter357 May 2018 #1
Thanks. I appreciate it. MineralMan May 2018 #3
K & R your post. Wwcd May 2018 #2
Well, it makes sense to me. MineralMan May 2018 #8
I don't see the sense in trying to turn "progressive" into a dirty word. Garrett78 May 2018 #4
Why would I do that? I'm a progressive. MineralMan May 2018 #5
Yet the framing of your thread does just that. Garrett78 May 2018 #10
You're not getting what I'm saying, I'm afraid. MineralMan May 2018 #12
Your framing paints "progressive" with a broad, negative brush. There's no getting around that. Garrett78 May 2018 #17
Did any Our Revolution endorsed candidates win last Tuesday? Gothmog May 2018 #55
As will I, and I would hope most consider themselves to be progressive. Our Rev doesn't own the term Garrett78 May 2018 #63
The Our Revolution people would disagree with you Gothmog May 2018 #65
So, we're going to feed into that narrative by giving "progressive" a negative connotation? Garrett78 May 2018 #67
Your beef is with the Our Revolution group Gothmog May 2018 #99
Well, there is if you are trying to get clicks hueymahl May 2018 #93
Look at the number of Our Revolution endorsed candidates who have lost Gothmog May 2018 #54
"Our Revolution" does not have a monopoly on "progressive." Garrett78 May 2018 #62
Have you told Nina Turner this? Gothmog May 2018 #66
So, Nina Turner is now the arbiter of what constitutes "progressivism?" You can cede her the term. Garrett78 May 2018 #71
I do not believe this and I do not like Nina Turner Gothmog May 2018 #78
Then let's not play into her hands. This is her narrative: Garrett78 May 2018 #79
I am actively ignoring Turner and I supported a candidate who was attacked by Our Revoluton Gothmog May 2018 #84
I don't see how that was implied whatsoever. George II May 2018 #64
Well, here's the first several lines: Garrett78 May 2018 #69
I think the poster is associating recipients of Our Revolution endorsements as being losers.... George II May 2018 #75
Our Revolution does not own the term, and we shouldn't act as though it does. Garrett78 May 2018 #77
I don't think anyone has said the Our Revolution owns the term. Again.... George II May 2018 #80
Then don't use "Our Revolution" and "progressive" as interchangeable terms. Garrett78 May 2018 #82
I didn't, and I don't think the OP did either. George II May 2018 #87
I am a progressive also. Blue_true May 2018 #13
Yes. Exactly. MineralMan May 2018 #15
Nobody is doing that. NurseJackie May 2018 #20
That ship has sailed unfortunately. Roy Moore should have been a wake up call. ck4829 May 2018 #90
K&R Gothmog May 2018 #6
I don't think the OR candidates are necessarily any more progressive than the rest of us. dawg May 2018 #7
But aren't those OR folks the ones who define what is progressive? MineralMan May 2018 #9
So they do, but that leaves them with a conundrum. dawg May 2018 #11
When you endorse a candidate, assessing their ability to win is MineralMan May 2018 #14
Our revolution has endorsed Joe Salazar for Colorado Attorney General. PatrickforO May 2018 #31
Exactly. We must win, or our voice is weak. MineralMan May 2018 #38
Despite all their efforts, they don't own or define progressivism. lark May 2018 #33
Yes, but they claim they do. MineralMan May 2018 #37
Yes, it is a huge problem, helped along by Russia. lark May 2018 #39
No. They don't decide and many of their candidates are NOT progressive JI7 May 2018 #95
I think the issue here isn't with "progressives" -- it's with "Our Revolution" 11cents May 2018 #16
What you said. nt Kahuna7 May 2018 #23
maybe some folks said that....really though, that has not at all been the argument. That progressive JCanete May 2018 #18
No, the progressive message is not realistic and can not be passed in the real world without magic Gothmog May 2018 #70
Thanks for this. It's time to move on from those who only want R B Garr May 2018 #19
But that one person has thread after thread after thread after thread after thread Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #29
I like the Democratic Party candidates. pwb May 2018 #21
Me too. :) A huge problem for us, Hortensis May 2018 #98
I am supporting all Democratic candidates who are on the ballot in November Gothmog May 2018 #100
Duh? Thank you MM. It's useless to argue over policy when we are so far from having the Kahuna7 May 2018 #22
Exactly! peggysue2 May 2018 #24
K&R. lunamagica May 2018 #25
Preaching to the choir here. PatrickforO May 2018 #26
You don't like theory? You prefer pragmatism? ProudLib72 May 2018 #27
Well, since I am NOT a progressive but I am a FAR FAR left LIBERAL Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #28
I don't know why Kamala has been pegged by many as mainstream or moderate. pnwmom May 2018 #32
Thank you. nt SunSeeker May 2018 #30
Post removed Post removed May 2018 #34
KnR! Hekate May 2018 #35
I think we need to keep offering Democratic voters choices every single primary. aikoaiko May 2018 #36
That's fine with me, as long as we support the Democrat who wins. MineralMan May 2018 #41
KnR sheshe2 May 2018 #40
Thanks! MineralMan May 2018 #43
The time for arguing who is more progressive is primary time. mwooldri May 2018 #42
Vote progressive in the primary, vote Democrat in the general election. DinahMoeHum May 2018 #53
in Texas, we have primary run offs on May 22 Gothmog May 2018 #73
My sign(s) for the most recent march Heartstrings May 2018 #44
GOTV for Democrats? What a concept! mcar May 2018 #45
K&R! Cha May 2018 #46
And work on the war room for voter protection Gothmog May 2018 #74
Encouraging to hear, Goth Cha May 2018 #83
Hey Cha Gothmog May 2018 #86
Works for me, MineralMan. calimary May 2018 #47
Another K&R! NastyRiffraff May 2018 #48
A Democrat that wins is more valuable to us than an ideologue that loses Mr. Ected May 2018 #49
Exactly! Well said! MineralMan May 2018 #57
We need democrats to win idahoblue May 2018 #50
Exactly! If we trash candidates who win their primaries, MineralMan May 2018 #58
I voted for Sanders in the primary, and had no problem voting for Clinton in the general jes06c May 2018 #60
How about a long time republican who suddenly runs as a democrat? CrispyQ May 2018 #101
I agree with your analysis Gothmog May 2018 #51
KR NT ProudProgressiveNow May 2018 #52
Winning is the name of the game. The Dem Party leadership knows it, too. Honeycombe8 May 2018 #56
We can have a massive get out the vote effort for the winners of the Democratic primaries ProfessorPlum May 2018 #59
Did any Our Revolution candidates win last Tuesday? Gothmog May 2018 #76
Liberal Democrat here. GulfCoast66 May 2018 #61
That sounds like a winning strategy to me workinclasszero May 2018 #68
If more Progressives could be elected that would be great. LiberalFighter May 2018 #72
People in West Virginia feel differently than people in California. One size doesn't fit all, and still_one May 2018 #81
It's got to depend on the district. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #85
Ain't this the truth! tonyt53 May 2018 #89
Yes --- Let's support the Democratic candidates in the General. LiberalFighter May 2018 #88
Absolutely! nt lillypaddle May 2018 #91
Sounds good to me! pandr32 May 2018 #92
OR Candidates aren't really progressive. Kucinich had a history of being anti choice JI7 May 2018 #94
Not sure I've heard many make that exact statement here at DU. Haven't once KPN May 2018 #96
Right There with you MarkEzra May 2018 #97
Good idea! saidsimplesimon May 2018 #102
That sounds much too reasonable, there must be a catch. BobTheSubgenius May 2018 #103
K&R Cary May 2018 #104
wait, did you just make a "reasonable suggestion"? 0rganism May 2018 #105

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
8. Well, it makes sense to me.
Fri May 11, 2018, 03:53 PM
May 2018

But, I'm an old fogey. Maybe all that work on election GOTV efforts was a waste of time. I don't think so, though.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
5. Why would I do that? I'm a progressive.
Fri May 11, 2018, 03:51 PM
May 2018

It's just that we desperately need to win in November. If we don't, we may not get another chance. Just saying...

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
10. Yet the framing of your thread does just that.
Fri May 11, 2018, 03:57 PM
May 2018

We can talk about the importance of GOTV without implying that progressive = loser/bad/negative.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
17. Your framing paints "progressive" with a broad, negative brush. There's no getting around that.
Fri May 11, 2018, 04:02 PM
May 2018

And it's completely unnecessary. Of course GOTV for Democrats is hugely important. There's no need to frame the discussion the way you did, though.

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
55. Did any Our Revolution endorsed candidates win last Tuesday?
Fri May 11, 2018, 06:48 PM
May 2018

If these candidates are so popular, then why are these candidates not winning?

I will be supporting the Democratic candidates who are the ballot in November

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
63. As will I, and I would hope most consider themselves to be progressive. Our Rev doesn't own the term
Fri May 11, 2018, 10:10 PM
May 2018

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
65. The Our Revolution people would disagree with you
Fri May 11, 2018, 10:44 PM
May 2018

Have you seen any of Nina turner's comments lately?

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
67. So, we're going to feed into that narrative by giving "progressive" a negative connotation?
Fri May 11, 2018, 10:48 PM
May 2018

I don't give a rip what Nina Turner says. I'm certainly not going to cede the term "progressive" just because Nina Turner wants me to. Are you? Why give Nina Turner exactly what she wants? Why encourage the narrative that says there are "progressive" Democrats and then there are "mainstream" Democrats?

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
99. Your beef is with the Our Revolution group
Sat May 12, 2018, 01:50 PM
May 2018

That group is hurting the term progressive. What are you going to do about it?

hueymahl

(2,449 posts)
93. Well, there is if you are trying to get clicks
Sat May 12, 2018, 12:53 PM
May 2018

That, to me, was why it was framed that way, despite the denials.

The rest of the OP's points are valid.

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
54. Look at the number of Our Revolution endorsed candidates who have lost
Fri May 11, 2018, 06:43 PM
May 2018

The OP points out that voters are not voting for these candidates. The candidates dndorsed by Our Revolution have bot been winning. As a party, we need to support the candidates who are the ballot in November

I will be in the war room of the local county Democratic party on the day of the Texas Democratic primary runoff to help protect the vote.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
71. So, Nina Turner is now the arbiter of what constitutes "progressivism?" You can cede her the term.
Fri May 11, 2018, 10:52 PM
May 2018

But I won't.

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
78. I do not believe this and I do not like Nina Turner
Fri May 11, 2018, 11:06 PM
May 2018

I was a Clinton delegate to the National Convention. We had a great whipping infrastructure and so I knew before it was reported on MSNBC that Nina would not be speaking. My son called me and I told him about the warning that I had received from my whip twenty minutes earlier.

I also knew that the Sanders delegates were going to boo John Lewis twenty or so minutes before this planned stunt occurred

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
79. Then let's not play into her hands. This is her narrative:
Fri May 11, 2018, 11:08 PM
May 2018

There are "progressive" Dems and there are mainstream or establishment Dems. It's a bullshit narrative, yet so many of the very people criticizing Turner are unwittingly playing into her hands.

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
84. I am actively ignoring Turner and I supported a candidate who was attacked by Our Revoluton
Fri May 11, 2018, 11:16 PM
May 2018

I did not like Turner at the national convention and locally the Our Revolution attacked a very progressive candidate because he was Asian and not "one of us." Luckily the Our Revolution endorsed candidate lost. I have also donated to two candidates who are running against Our Revolution endorsed candidates. I really like Lizzie Fletcher and a Dallas lawyer running against Pete Sessions.

I had fun taking the candidate who was attacked by the Our Revolution group to the local Democratic Lawyers Association two mnths in a row. I enjoy watching a good Democratic candidate get to work a room full of Democratic lawyers.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
69. Well, here's the first several lines:
Fri May 11, 2018, 10:51 PM
May 2018

"Some Folks Said - 'All We Need Is More Progressive Candidates'

Well, there were a bunch of those running in the primaries this past Tuesday. They were supported by the people who told us that if we ran true progressives we'd be sure to win.

Guess what? Every last one of those progressive candidates lost."

Now, how does that not associate "progressive" with loser? How does that not give "progressive" a negative connotation?

Our Revolution does not own the term "progressive."

George II

(67,782 posts)
75. I think the poster is associating recipients of Our Revolution endorsements as being losers....
Fri May 11, 2018, 11:03 PM
May 2018

....not "progressives". And unless I missed it nowhere does he even use the words "bad" or "negative".

Note, he refers to those who lost as "those progressives", candidates endorsed by Our Revolution - not any or all progressives.

Some progressives won this week, but none were endorsed by Our Revolution.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
77. Our Revolution does not own the term, and we shouldn't act as though it does.
Fri May 11, 2018, 11:05 PM
May 2018

One doesn't have to use the word "negative" to give something a negative connotation. In fact, that's the point of connotations or implications.

George II

(67,782 posts)
80. I don't think anyone has said the Our Revolution owns the term. Again....
Fri May 11, 2018, 11:12 PM
May 2018

....based on recent results, progressives can and do win, but if you check Our Revolution's own website, it appears that their endorsed candidates for the most part lost their elections. Of sixteen candidates on their site in 2018, two won and fourteen lost. This isn't my data, this is directly from their website:

https://ourrevolution.com/results/


Harvey Epstein
New York
Election: April 24, 2018
State Assembly, District 74
WON

Brian Pine
Vermont
Election: March 6, 2018
City Council, Ward 3
WON

Sue Spicer
Indiana
Election: May 8, 2018
U.S. House of Representatives, 7th District
LOST

Dennis Kucinich
Ohio
Election: May 8, 2018
Governor
LOST

Kyle Earley
Ohio
Election: May 8, 2018
State Representative, District 10
LOST

Yvonka Hall
Ohio
Election: May 8, 2018
State Representative District 12
LOST

Steve Holecko
Ohio
Election: May 8, 2018
State Representative, District 14
LOST

Mary Ann Claytor
West Virginia
Election: May 8, 2018
State Senate, District 17
LOST

Lizette Escobedo
California
Election: April 10, 2018
Whittier City Council
LOST

Steve Dunwoody
California
Election: April 3, 2018
Assembly District 54
LOST

Daniel Biss
Illinois
Election: March 20, 2018
Governor
LOST

Marie Newman
Illinois
Election: March 20, 2018
US Representative, 3rd District
LOST

Derrick Crowe
Texas
Election: March 6, 2018
US Representative, 21st District
LOST

Carina Driscoll
Vermont
Election: March 6, 2018
Mayor of Burlington
LOST

Brianna Westbrook
Arizona
Election: Feb. 27, 2018
U.S. House of Representatives, District 8
LOST

Tim Burns
Wisconsin
Election: Feb. 20, 2018
State Supreme Court
LOST

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
82. Then don't use "Our Revolution" and "progressive" as interchangeable terms.
Fri May 11, 2018, 11:13 PM
May 2018

Say "Our Revolution" candidates when that's what is meant.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
13. I am a progressive also.
Fri May 11, 2018, 03:58 PM
May 2018

I am also a realist. People that are beyond a certain political line CAN'T win in some parts of the country, whereas a more moderate democrat can.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
20. Nobody is doing that.
Fri May 11, 2018, 04:11 PM
May 2018
4. I don't see the sense in trying to turn "progressive" into a dirty word.
Nobody is doing that.

I don't see the sense in trying to turn somone's realism and honesty into some sort of "attack" or smear. Why so overwrought? Facts are facts. We need the numbers. We need a majority. What do you have against that? What good purpose does it serve to twist a positive message into something that's negative?

ck4829

(35,039 posts)
90. That ship has sailed unfortunately. Roy Moore should have been a wake up call.
Fri May 11, 2018, 11:47 PM
May 2018

There are people here in this country I am sure would rather see their children dead than identify as liberals or progressives.

We've got to face that hard reality, I think that's why Democrats are so baffled, it seems surreal, like something out of a dystopian novel. Like, it can't be possible, right? But no, it is.

I don't have high hopes for the political situation of the US anymore. We could get Democratic majorities in the House and Senate tomorrow, and it won't reverse the toxicity of politics today and the normalization of delusions, psychosis, and outright sociopathy just to "own the libs" and other extreme actions just to prevent us from getting a seat at the table.

dawg

(10,621 posts)
7. I don't think the OR candidates are necessarily any more progressive than the rest of us.
Fri May 11, 2018, 03:53 PM
May 2018

Just less practical; more idealistic; and they don't play well with others.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
9. But aren't those OR folks the ones who define what is progressive?
Fri May 11, 2018, 03:54 PM
May 2018

That's what they keep saying...

We need to win, not lose. So, I guess there's something to learn here.

dawg

(10,621 posts)
11. So they do, but that leaves them with a conundrum.
Fri May 11, 2018, 03:57 PM
May 2018

Either their "progressive" policy positions just got rejected by primary voters, or else maybe it was just them, personally, who got passed over.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
14. When you endorse a candidate, assessing their ability to win is
Fri May 11, 2018, 03:59 PM
May 2018

part of the equation. Otherwise, what's the point?

PatrickforO

(14,559 posts)
31. Our revolution has endorsed Joe Salazar for Colorado Attorney General.
Fri May 11, 2018, 04:58 PM
May 2018

He's a firebrand - a passionate speaker.

But I'm supporting the other candidate, not because I like him more than Salazar (though I do) but because I think he is more electable.

Colorado MUST maintain Democratic party control over the offices of Governor, Attorney General, and Treasurer.

AND, we've GOT to get rid of the Republican Secretary of State - he actually sent all our names to the Trump Administration over numerous objections. We have a really good young, fiery candidate for this office - an actual voter rights attorney!

Pretty exciting lineup, I'd say, and Dems have decent candidates all the way down the line. Coffman may well lose his seat this time, the snake. Buck...well, I'm not holding my breath, but there are two good candidates facing off in the primary against him.

Gardner, unfortunately, is not up for reelection until 2020.

lark

(23,065 posts)
33. Despite all their efforts, they don't own or define progressivism.
Fri May 11, 2018, 05:12 PM
May 2018

Winning and playing well with others is very important and too many at OR are just purists. Purists helped get drumpf elected with their votes for Stein and will continue until they decide that survival is more important than perfection.

lark

(23,065 posts)
39. Yes, it is a huge problem, helped along by Russia.
Fri May 11, 2018, 05:27 PM
May 2018

i'm sure Vlad loves Susan Sarandon almost as much as Stein.

11cents

(1,777 posts)
16. I think the issue here isn't with "progressives" -- it's with "Our Revolution"
Fri May 11, 2018, 04:00 PM
May 2018

There's no reason to think of this organization as anything but ratfuckers and Putin pawns. I mean -- promoting Dennis Kucinich, for god's sake.

I don't know that Bernie Sanders bears any responsibility for what "Our Revolution" is up to at this point. But if that's the case it's incumbent upon him to cut ties, because they're acting in his name.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
18. maybe some folks said that....really though, that has not at all been the argument. That progressive
Fri May 11, 2018, 04:04 PM
May 2018

messaging is magic? That as soon as a progressive runs that person wins? That person still needs to reach people. That person still needs to be known. That takes time and money. The question shouldn't be did these candidates win, it should be did they have more presence than they would have had they not been endorsed by Our Revolution? Did they get more votes than they would have?

Do you have an answer to those questions?

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
70. No, the progressive message is not realistic and can not be passed in the real world without magic
Fri May 11, 2018, 10:51 PM
May 2018

Again, Sanders' whole campaign was based on a magical voter revolution where millions or billions or trillions of new voters would rise up and force the GOP to be reasonable and force the GOP to adopt these policies. There has been no magical voter revolution earlier and the defeat of so many Our Revolution candidates show that this magical voter revolution has not yet occurred

Again Sanders was clear that his policies could not be adopted without a magical voter revolution. I can cite his exact quotes again in you want. The defeat of so many Our Revolution candidates in Democratic primaries tell me that the magical messaging is not working and there will be no magical voter revolution.

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
19. Thanks for this. It's time to move on from those who only want
Fri May 11, 2018, 04:05 PM
May 2018

to promote one person and his ideas. We need more diversity.

Great thread.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
29. But that one person has thread after thread after thread after thread after thread
Fri May 11, 2018, 04:52 PM
May 2018

posted in GD about him and it wont ever stop.

pwb

(11,252 posts)
21. I like the Democratic Party candidates.
Fri May 11, 2018, 04:13 PM
May 2018

Progressive and liberal are seen as more of the fringe of the Democratic Party that get a lot of bad press from talk radio and fox types. Right wingers have more or less made both swear words. I love both liberals and progressives but I think they need to identify more as democrats if they want to win. Unite and win! Call yourselves Democrats.
Fat ass Rush Limbaugh made liberal and progressive four letter words long ago.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
98. Me too. :) A huge problem for us,
Sat May 12, 2018, 01:35 PM
May 2018

and opportunity for the forces against us, though, is political vocabulary. You bet Republicans of mostly made liberal and progressive into swear words.

The Democratic Party's mainstream, and most of the rest, is overwhelmingly liberal and progressive in ideology. Our liberal founding fathers mostly won out over conservative founders of that day, which is how our nation was formed as a liberal democracy.

Yet because of propagandizing, the right has defined both terms negatively, always but especially ever since the Gingrich days of "radical liberal Democrats."

At the same time, a dissident left group tries to differentiate itself iby casting mainstream Democrats as corporatist quasi conservatives and themselves as America's only true progressives. In the process offending many with their rejection of all whose opinions differ even slightly, intolerant obstruction often coming across as fringie/radical and even extremist. The right, of course, pushes those behaviors, and others from the genuinely extreme left, few as those are, as representative of liberalism and progressivism.

So both have projected the wrong idea of what liberals and progressives are, inflicting great damage.

After all, progressive means using the power of government to tackle big problems and create advances that individuals and business cannot, or will not. In this era, the Republican Party believes government progressivism is harmful and wants to leave all to individuals, private groups and business.

And every progressive advance America has ever had was created by liberals. Radical ideas such as unemployment insurance and universal healthcare are a very different thing from radical personality that rejects compromise and cooperation. There is nothing liberal about that.







Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
100. I am supporting all Democratic candidates who are on the ballot in November
Sat May 12, 2018, 01:52 PM
May 2018

I do not care about the progressive label

Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
22. Duh? Thank you MM. It's useless to argue over policy when we are so far from having the
Fri May 11, 2018, 04:25 PM
May 2018

majorities we would need to implement a liberal agenda.

peggysue2

(10,824 posts)
24. Exactly!
Fri May 11, 2018, 04:39 PM
May 2018

Win first, then we get to yowl like barn cats over the best way forward. But at the moment, as Dems we have no power to speak of beyond trying our best to pinch some of the Trumpsters worst instincts.

We win in November? We can neuter The Donald and his enablers, start repairing the damage, and then lean into a 2020 win for the White House.

Otherwise we fall off the cliff as a country. It's that serious.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
27. You don't like theory? You prefer pragmatism?
Fri May 11, 2018, 04:49 PM
May 2018

For shame, MM.

The Bernie Bros will never relent, not even at the end of the world (which may happen soon for lack of pragmatism).

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
28. Well, since I am NOT a progressive but I am a FAR FAR left LIBERAL
Fri May 11, 2018, 04:51 PM
May 2018

I suppose I could give an opinion about why they all lost, but it wont matter, my friend, to the people who are going to NEVER STOP bashing mainstream Democrats like Kamala Harris, Kennedy's, etc.

The bashing and minimizing of their value will continue unabated.

pnwmom

(108,959 posts)
32. I don't know why Kamala has been pegged by many as mainstream or moderate.
Fri May 11, 2018, 05:02 PM
May 2018

Based on her voting record, Progressive Punch says she's the #1 most liberal member of the Senate.

http://www.progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=senate

Response to MineralMan (Original post)

aikoaiko

(34,163 posts)
36. I think we need to keep offering Democratic voters choices every single primary.
Fri May 11, 2018, 05:16 PM
May 2018

Let Democracy work its magic.

mwooldri

(10,301 posts)
42. The time for arguing who is more progressive is primary time.
Fri May 11, 2018, 05:32 PM
May 2018

After the primary... GOTV on general election day.

America has this weird primary process. Elsewhere the local political parties choose from within, with their most active, dues-paying members. But then it is easier to get on the ballot elsewhere too. It would be interesting to see a race where people can choose between Democratic Party and Republican Party, but also between Green, Monster Raving Loony, Save our Healthcare, or even for Sister X, Nun of the Above. That, along with single transferrable vote.

But back on topic... doesn't matter who won the primary election. Get out and vote the Democratic Party candidate into office.

This time, your life may depend on it.

DinahMoeHum

(21,774 posts)
53. Vote progressive in the primary, vote Democrat in the general election.
Fri May 11, 2018, 06:39 PM
May 2018

Don't sit home and pout because your candidate did not get past the primary.

And while we're at it, encourage those candidates to seek other offices, more local offices.
Often, those offices offer greater impact among the constituents.
It all starts at the local level.

And the more progressives you can get into the rank-and-file of the Democratic Party, the more the state and national Democratic orgs will take notice and look at things your way.

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
73. in Texas, we have primary run offs on May 22
Fri May 11, 2018, 11:00 PM
May 2018

There are a couple of Our Revolution endorsed candidates in the run offs. Luckily in my county the Our Revolution candidate did not make the run off and Our Revolution is not endorsing anyone in this run off. The poor babies at Our Revolution could not come to endorse an Asian candidate who is not "one of us" and is one of "them" and now the other candidate is a major Clinton bundler/Hillraiser who is now claiming to be Muslim. This will be a fun run off

BTW, I had fun. I have taken Sri Preston Kulkarni to the local Democratic Lawyers Association. I truly enjoyed watching a congressiona candidate work a room full of Democratic lawyers

Heartstrings

(7,349 posts)
44. My sign(s) for the most recent march
Fri May 11, 2018, 05:41 PM
May 2018

Said, on one side
“Grab ‘em by the midterms”
The other side
“Vote like your life depends on it”
Vote for a Democrat, we’re all basically on the same page. We can sort through discrepancies after we have control otherwise it’s futile whichever way we “swing”....

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
74. And work on the war room for voter protection
Fri May 11, 2018, 11:01 PM
May 2018

I have the afternoon shifts on Primary day in the local county war room for voter protection. Even though it is a primary, we will have a fully staffed war room

calimary

(81,127 posts)
47. Works for me, MineralMan.
Fri May 11, 2018, 06:08 PM
May 2018

The label “Progressive” seems to be a turn-off. I don’t know why and I don’t think it should be. Maybe too many voters - a critical mass - aren’t comfortable with change that they perceive as too radical or too big a step or too extreme a step? Or they’re alienated by Bernie? Or they somehow wrongly embrace the misbegotten assumption that progressive = socialist = Communist?

I do not know.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
48. Another K&R!
Fri May 11, 2018, 06:10 PM
May 2018

Thank you, MM. We need to, we MUST, take at least the House, hopefully the Senate, and several Governorships, as well as local Congressional elections.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
49. A Democrat that wins is more valuable to us than an ideologue that loses
Fri May 11, 2018, 06:25 PM
May 2018

We need to stuff Washington full of Democrats. That's mission number one through one hundred.

idahoblue

(377 posts)
50. We need democrats to win
Fri May 11, 2018, 06:26 PM
May 2018

We need democrats who can win in their district. No litmus test. Any democrat is better than a repig, a Democrat who votes progressive half the time is better than a repig who never votes for our values.

MineralMan

(146,262 posts)
58. Exactly! If we trash candidates who win their primaries,
Fri May 11, 2018, 08:07 PM
May 2018

we cut our own throats. I don't like Manchin or Lipinski, for example. I like their Republican opponents much less, though. I'm not going to attack any Democrat who wins a primary, until after the general election. That's a rule for me. I support Democrats in general elections. No exceptions. We need to win as many races as possible.

jes06c

(114 posts)
60. I voted for Sanders in the primary, and had no problem voting for Clinton in the general
Fri May 11, 2018, 08:25 PM
May 2018

I've heard some Sanders supporters brag about refusing to vote for Clinton, even if it meant a Trump presidency.

It's like a football coach bragging that he never punts or kicks a field goal on fourth down, even if it costs him the game.

CrispyQ

(36,424 posts)
101. How about a long time republican who suddenly runs as a democrat?
Sat May 12, 2018, 02:05 PM
May 2018

I guess we're okay with that, now, too.

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
51. I agree with your analysis
Fri May 11, 2018, 06:35 PM
May 2018

We need to GOTV and work to elect the democrats who are the ballot

Great post

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
56. Winning is the name of the game. The Dem Party leadership knows it, too.
Fri May 11, 2018, 06:55 PM
May 2018

The Dem Party is backing independents in outlying places, like Alaska, where the indies have a good chance of winning, and no one with a "D" by his/her name has a chance of winning, and the Indies are reasonable in their ideologies. The idea being to WIN against the GOP. To at least get some people in office who will side with the Dems at least some of the time.

This is at all levels: local, state, national.

ProfessorPlum

(11,253 posts)
59. We can have a massive get out the vote effort for the winners of the Democratic primaries
Fri May 11, 2018, 08:12 PM
May 2018

and we can also encourage Democratic candidates to support progressive policies.

I think that having progressive policies just might help Democratic candidates get out the vote.

Not sure what your point is, here. that progressives shouldn't run in primaries? that they shouldn't be supported?

that's up to their constituencies to decide. And when that process is over, we GOTV and crush the traitors.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
61. Liberal Democrat here.
Fri May 11, 2018, 08:34 PM
May 2018

The name progressive carries way too much baggage. Too many young Democrats think it is a recent term that came about to oppose centrist Democrats.

But it has a 100 year old spotty history.

And too often today it is more about support for a person rather than a defined set of positions.

And I will never stop reminding people on DU that 2 years ago I watched with my own eyes as the elite of the progressive movement booed John Lewis at the Democratic convention. How anyone can self identify with people who do shit like that boggles my mind.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
68. That sounds like a winning strategy to me
Fri May 11, 2018, 10:50 PM
May 2018

The only thing that can save America is a massive dem blue wave in the midterms.

LiberalFighter

(50,795 posts)
72. If more Progressives could be elected that would be great.
Fri May 11, 2018, 10:59 PM
May 2018

But the reality is that is too much for people. The key imo is first to elect as many Democrats as possible and second to be more active AFTER the elections. Nudging them by staying in contact with elected Democrats and pushing for more progressive action.

still_one

(92,061 posts)
81. People in West Virginia feel differently than people in California. One size doesn't fit all, and
Fri May 11, 2018, 11:13 PM
May 2018

Howard Dean’s fifty state strategy understood this

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,612 posts)
85. It's got to depend on the district.
Fri May 11, 2018, 11:16 PM
May 2018

Like it or not, some districts will support progressive candidates; some will not. My congressman, Keith Ellison (MN CD-5), could not possibly get elected in MN CD-7, Colin Peterson's district. Colin Peterson drives me nuts because he so often takes positions that are barely distinguishable from Republican. But the 7th CD is rural and conservative, and could easily be taken by an actual GOPer if Peterson starts to drift left. Conversely, Peterson would have a tough time in CD-5, which Ellison has been winning easily every time. Usually I don't even know the name of the GOPer running against him. So although I don't like Peterson, he counts as a Democrat for the purpose of who has the majority in committees and overall, and that's important.

I agree with MM. At this point the goal has to be electing enough Democrats of all stripes to acquire as much power and control in Congress in possible. This isn't a good time to quibble over ideological purity.

LiberalFighter

(50,795 posts)
88. Yes --- Let's support the Democratic candidates in the General.
Fri May 11, 2018, 11:19 PM
May 2018

All of the energy shouldn't be just at the top level. There are township, county, and other local elections that need help. Getting Democrats elected there creates a minor league of sort collection of Democrats.

JI7

(89,241 posts)
94. OR Candidates aren't really progressive. Kucinich had a history of being anti choice
Sat May 12, 2018, 12:55 PM
May 2018

Took money from questionable groups and defends trump.

And refuses to show his taxes.

The actual progressive candidate won the nomination there.

KPN

(15,637 posts)
96. Not sure I've heard many make that exact statement here at DU. Haven't once
Sat May 12, 2018, 01:24 PM
May 2018

read anything by anyone about running true progressives would guarantee victory. To me, I think the basic statement has been that labor, economic justice need to be stronger pieces of our party's overall message. And seems pretty clear to me that is happening and happened during these primaries.

Overall though, I agree, we need to GOTV. Nothing wrong with debate within the party during primaries, but Dems need to get behind the nominee 100% once the primary is over.

 

MarkEzra

(27 posts)
97. Right There with you
Sat May 12, 2018, 01:27 PM
May 2018

CA 45 I'm voting (today by mail) for Dave Min. I'm not voting for Dave because he is endorsed by the CA Dem's. I'm voting for him because he has the BEST shot at winning. He has a great law and business background and a fire in his belly to beat Mimi.

The Republican incumbent, Mimi Walters, is an early Trumpist who now keeps a very low profile. It will not be easy to unseat her.

There are two progressive Dems running alongside Dave min. I'm sure they are both qualified and talented people. Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren support one. The other worked for President Obama. So talented and experienced. I pledge to work for whomever becomes the Democratic nominee. I won't turn my back and tut, tut... I didn't get my way, as so many feel the burners did. I'll work hard for the candidate.

I ask Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren and all progressives in CA45 to work just as hard as I will if Dave gets the call. PLEASE!

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
102. Good idea!
Sat May 12, 2018, 02:05 PM
May 2018

Left of Center Progressives are the life blood of democracy, imo.

It is a challenge when trying to understand why my fellow Americans are trying to destroy the foundation of freedom by heading willingly into slavery. So F'em and feed them a bit of revenge served cold , GOTV, . As always, just my opinion.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,560 posts)
103. That sounds much too reasonable, there must be a catch.
Sat May 12, 2018, 03:12 PM
May 2018

If everyone started rallying around the candidates they have, instead of the ones they tell themselves they want...what would that lead to??

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