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edbermac

(15,938 posts)
Wed May 16, 2018, 08:09 AM May 2018

Giuliani warns Mueller that Trump team has a Plan B and C if he doesn't end Russia probe.

President Donald Trump’s attorney Rudy Giuliani has warned Robert Mueller that the Trump team will wage a campaign to end the Special Counsel’s Russia investigation on its one-year anniversary, with several plans up their sleeve.

Giuliani has taken a combative approach to the investigation since being brought on by the president last month. Having failed to bring a swift conclusion to the probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election and possible collusion with the Trump campaign as he initially predicted, Giuliani said Tuesday that the legal team will step up their efforts leading up to the one-year anniversary of the investigation on Thursday.

“We are going to try as best we can to put the message out there that it has been a year, there has been no evidence presented of collusion or obstruction, and it is about time for them to end the investigation,” Giuliani told Bloomberg. “We don’t want to signal our action if this doesn’t work—we are going to hope they listen to us—but obviously we have a Plan B and C.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/giuliani-warns-mueller-trump-team-233336063.html?bcmt=1

Rudy, please stop! You’re killing us!

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Giuliani warns Mueller that Trump team has a Plan B and C if he doesn't end Russia probe. (Original Post) edbermac May 2018 OP
They are so f'n guilty C_U_L8R May 2018 #1
This is exactly what I keep saying too... WePurrsevere May 2018 #7
It's time for Mueller to fire another shot Cross their bow CentralMass May 2018 #2
Plan B - Bitch about it; Plan C - Cry about it; Plan D - Deny it; Plan E - Excuse it hatrack May 2018 #3
Forgot one angrychair May 2018 #12
I have been laughing with tears over this one. Thanks Oppaloopa May 2018 #23
I'm dying!!! hopeforchange2008 May 2018 #26
LOL, they've been doing that for awhile. Rorey May 2018 #29
Plan F - get Found out and go to prison. LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2018 #21
All to star Giuliani all day on Fox. He's jazzed! Hortensis May 2018 #22
Plan F TEB May 2018 #31
Yeah, Rudy... Look guiltier... That should go over well... WePurrsevere May 2018 #4
Whoa PatSeg May 2018 #11
I think so too. Facts like these really need to get out there more... WePurrsevere May 2018 #17
Only for TIME. Otherwise, whoa! For instance, Whitewater Hortensis May 2018 #36
Oh yes PatSeg May 2018 #41
Every day a huge revelaton that'd be investigated Hortensis May 2018 #44
I knew Trump would be a disaster, PatSeg May 2018 #49
+1000 for the entire first paragraph. Hortensis May 2018 #50
Oh, I know PatSeg May 2018 #65
+1000. I'm guessing we could and should prosecute Hortensis May 2018 #66
That was an excellent analogy PatSeg May 2018 #67
Great chart but it leaves off some other investigations Poiuyt May 2018 #40
The 538 chart is only 'special investigations' since 1979 not all. WePurrsevere May 2018 #60
Thanks for the heads up, you moron leftynyc May 2018 #5
lol Solly Mack May 2018 #6
IMO, this isn't really about ending the probe. Adrahil May 2018 #8
People need to accept that Cosmocat May 2018 #63
+1, Benedict Donald wont go to jail but his kids will and that would be justice enough even though uponit7771 May 2018 #64
Plan B is to fire Giuliani Johonny May 2018 #9
Rudy: Always a thug NastyRiffraff May 2018 #10
+1 treestar May 2018 #42
we have thugs in charge bdamomma May 2018 #13
Lock him up!!! nt elmac May 2018 #14
Isn't THAT threat "obstruction of justice"? George II May 2018 #15
EXACTLY What I Was About To Post ChoppinBroccoli May 2018 #45
Nothing more scary than a Plan B. BSdetect May 2018 #16
What will they do ... take their ball and go home? Auggie May 2018 #18
Didn't even have a plan A grantcart May 2018 #19
Why wasn't Plan A to assist the Special Counsel in any way possible to prove innocence? Mr. Ected May 2018 #20
How long did they pursue the email and Benghazi? Victor_c3 May 2018 #24
I've yet to find out what Plan B and C might be, BobTheSubgenius May 2018 #25
please proceed, Rudy.... dhill926 May 2018 #27
Nothing to see here... Wounded Bear May 2018 #28
Yes, because THREATENING the Special Counsel is a fantastic idea. Hong Kong Cavalier May 2018 #30
Would you believe? Wounded Bear May 2018 #32
Hey Rudy, Mueller has a plan too, several - from A-Z..checkmate - SOON!....eom asiliveandbreathe May 2018 #33
But no Plan D?? Why are they letting Mueller off so easy?? NT Bleacher Creature May 2018 #34
I'm sure Mueller has got multiple plans underway that ... SWBTATTReg May 2018 #35
They don't understand the concept of having plans and not blabbing about them. nature-lover May 2018 #54
rudy is the gop comedy relief spanone May 2018 #37
"Stop, or I'll call my friends in the Russian mafia" dalton99a May 2018 #38
What was Plan A? Indictments and guilty pleas? underpants May 2018 #39
I thought they would automatically jump to Plan 9 From Outer Space ProudLib72 May 2018 #43
Well, since Plan A was a clusterfuck of gargantuan proportions...n/t cynatnite May 2018 #46
Plan B Is He'll Stomp His Widdle Foot, And Plan C Is He'll Hold His Breath ChoppinBroccoli May 2018 #47
Plan Rudy seems to consist of confessing. n/t Orsino May 2018 #48
Imagine Hillary or Barack's attorney THREATENING the DOJ...we would have civil war overnight Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #51
Sounds like a veiled threat to me. John Fante May 2018 #52
threatnening a prosecutor is not really too smart...is this how stupid Gulliani has become? beachbum bob May 2018 #53
Geez. Giuliani is playing ABCs... C_U_L8R May 2018 #55
Somebody should ask this clown... matt819 May 2018 #56
What about Plan R? Turbineguy May 2018 #57
More like Plan 9 From Outer Space. edbermac May 2018 #58
Tomorrow would be a good day to unseal an indictment or two. briv1016 May 2018 #59
sounds like a threat Demovictory9 May 2018 #61
Plan G: Get Cosby to take their side. lindysalsagal May 2018 #62

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
7. This is exactly what I keep saying too...
Wed May 16, 2018, 08:51 AM
May 2018

Innocent people don't act like this. This 'should' be extremely obvious to any person who's paying attention to REALITY (not just Fox & other RW media propaganda) and has a decent IQ w/ a quasi functional BS meter. Sadly most, if not all three, seem to be lacking in too many people lately.

hatrack

(59,584 posts)
3. Plan B - Bitch about it; Plan C - Cry about it; Plan D - Deny it; Plan E - Excuse it
Wed May 16, 2018, 08:24 AM
May 2018

Plan F - FUCK YOU, LIBTARDS, hyuck, hyuck, hyuck!!!

Whatever, Rudy,

21. Plan F - get Found out and go to prison.
Wed May 16, 2018, 11:04 AM
May 2018

Giliuani making threats is like a mouse taking on a horse. So far all he's done is screwed up bigly.

If Trump is innocent, as he claims, why should there be a need for a Plan B or Plan C?

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
4. Yeah, Rudy... Look guiltier... That should go over well...
Wed May 16, 2018, 08:36 AM
May 2018

They're making it sound like a year is slow but, like everything else Republicans say, it.is.a.LIE. The fact is that Mueller's investigation has been moving along pretty fast compared to some of the big ones in the past.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/mueller-is-moving-quickly-compared-to-past-special-counsel-investigations/


A this doesn't even go into the almost 2 year (and still threatening to open it back up as a distraction for Trump) harassment 'investigation' by Republicans into Benghazi.

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
17. I think so too. Facts like these really need to get out there more...
Wed May 16, 2018, 10:54 AM
May 2018

To combat all of the Republican spin and lies.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
36. Only for TIME. Otherwise, whoa! For instance, Whitewater
Wed May 16, 2018, 11:24 AM
May 2018

produced no indictments within the Clinton administration until Clinton himself stupidly leaped into a perjury trap when sandbagged with a question about Monica Lewinsky (which had nothing to do with Whitewater or any other legal malfeasance).

All other indictments on this graph are of mostly business people bundled by a crooked politically motivated investigation with Clinton as a smear. (The first special prosecutor was replaced with Starr when he found neither Clinton was involved in wrongdoing and was going to close. Starr did his best, casting that wide net and also interviewing every woman he could find who'd been associated with Clinton) but couldn't even manufacture a case that'd hold up, just long months of burning tires.)

This is from a 1998 CBS article:

Whitewater prosecutors cast such a wide net in Arkansas that they yielded a good-sized catch, even though the big fish seem to have gotten away. The prime quarry of investigators, who started work in 1994, were President Clinton and his wife, Hillary Rodham Clinton. Mr. Clinton was cleared of any wrongdoing by special prosecutor Kenneth Starr in November and Mrs. Clinton has not been charged.

Nevertheless, the investigation resulted in 14 convictions and two acquittals. (Described in this article.) The last six indictments, handed down in April, were dismissed by a judge in July.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/caught-in-the-whitewater-net/


Former Reagan VP GW Bush would have had several serious indictments during his administration because of involvements with Iran-Contra, but proactive pardons cut the links.

Don't know about all the others, but assume explanation might be needed there also.

PatSeg

(47,414 posts)
41. Oh yes
Wed May 16, 2018, 01:05 PM
May 2018

Major differences. We've never seen anything quite like this before. The closest we've come was Watergate and that is looking pretty mild in comparison to this level of corruption. Everywhere we look, we see Treason and it is poorly disguised, as if they don't care if they get caught. I'm living in a constant state of shock and distress.

I remember Whitewater and that wide net they cast. Now that WAS a witch hunt. To this day, republicans have not stopped looking for something to pin on a Clinton. They are piss poor losers and even worse winners.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
44. Every day a huge revelaton that'd be investigated
Wed May 16, 2018, 01:54 PM
May 2018

for months and a huge scandal all by itself is knocked aside by new ones. Shock and distress. We could never have imagined this moral collapse of almost the entire right, top to bottom.

Focus on what's good and not broken. It's every bit as real and is going to break them. I'm almost completely sure.


PatSeg

(47,414 posts)
49. I knew Trump would be a disaster,
Wed May 16, 2018, 06:36 PM
May 2018

but I could never imagine how bad it would be and I didn't think so many republicans would cave to a vulgar corrupt reality TV star. Who would have thought it could be so easy?

Yes, I am confident that they will all go down and the system will prevail, but there will be a lot of damage and pain in the mean time. Also, it is important that THIS TIME people are held accountable. No "lets move forward" crap. If we are a nation of laws, then the lawbreakers have to be prosecuted. Otherwise, they just keep coming back to do it again, write books, star in their own TV shows, etc.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
50. +1000 for the entire first paragraph.
Wed May 16, 2018, 06:59 PM
May 2018

For the second, agree and also just wish. We have to work with the population we have and their reactions. Some criminals will go to prison, but there are limits to how many can be punished and to what degree before counterreaction starts outweighing the societal benefits. History suggests many will escape justice entirely or serve sentences shorter than if they were 22-year-olds who'd stolen a case of beer.

Keep the eyes on the prize, though. We have a critical imperative to rebuild our old center. It included sympathizers of both parties who could work imperfectly together to create a stability within which prosperity and rights grew, and which stood strong against extremism from both sides. Obama believes that, and imo also that imperative has priority above almost everything. Perhaps with the enemies trying to use our electoral system to destroy our democracy I should say everything?


PatSeg

(47,414 posts)
65. Oh, I know
Thu May 17, 2018, 09:22 AM
May 2018

not everyone will receive the justice they deserve and there will always be those who go on and prosper in spite of their sins, but the lack of accountability for the Bush years has had its repercussions. I rather understood at the time. People were exhausted and we were facing a financial meltdown. We had to focus on rebuilding, not revenge. What truly bothers me is there evidently are people who seem to be incapable of remorse. Given the opportunity, they will come back and create discord and chaos again and again. I've never been a fan of locking people up for nonviolent crimes, but what do you do with people who will not stop trying to destroy society. In my wildest imagination, I'm picturing a huge island "Escape from New York" like prison! Or a cold isolated country no one wants! Or an off planet space station!

I think I am most disappointed that a lot of old school republicans have not shown more spine. Though I disagree with them politically, I really thought most of them had a decent moral core and when faced with a true threat to democracy, they'd put petty politics aside and do the right thing. Most are showing, there is no core whatsoever and the rest are retiring. It appears the party must be completely dismantled and rebuilt or perhaps a new party will take its place. It is hard to predict, as I could never have predicted what is happening right now.

I am reassured that behind the scenes are many competent and focused people working within the justice system to save our democracy. They know so much more than we do and for now, they are unsung heroes. For all the Trumps, Cohens, and Manaforts, there are career prosecutors, agents, and government servants who will not compromise or give up.

Always good chatting with you!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
66. +1000. I'm guessing we could and should prosecute
Thu May 17, 2018, 11:08 AM
May 2018

dozens and even hundreds of criminals without blowback once a fair proportion of conservatives turn on this administration. Conservatives believe in punishment as consequence and deterrence. I think jailing caring, well meaning Trump himself (and who else?) might go too far for the right, but presumably that'd depend on what was found?

I've never forgotten the lessons of the Mothers Against Drunk Driving campaign. Before then, people might deplore drunk drivers, but we all knew people who had and would and they were invited to parties anyway. It was common to try to talk them out of driving home but, when not "too" influenced and not living too far, telling them to be careful and waving them off with indulgent shrugs. They were friends, not criminals. Then MADD got laws changed, drunks went to jail and even prison, and the smiling tolerance turned into purse-lip disapproval of criminals. New definition.

As for that moral core (electing a multiple drunk driver, W, after MADD comes to mind), I've gone through the same thing and spent years thinking they'd finally do the right thing. It finally drove me to books to find out what was going on.

Turns out conflicting beliefs can exist right alongside each other, but in separate compartments so they don't clash. This is more prevalent in conservatives than liberals and becomes very strong in some types of conservatives, like loyal trumpsters. Ben Carson.

I do believe there's been a 40-year campaign to replace right-wing political beliefs in both traditional conservatism and the old political morality, already a weak kiss-up/kick-down version, that went with it, and to replace both with a mindless ultrapartisanship that could be directed to serve whatever the leaders want.

Traditional political conservatism had to be driven out of politics because, as Lincoln said, highlighting its most positive defining aspect, “What is conservatism? Is it not the adherence to the old and tried against the new and untried?” That obviously wouldn't work for wannabe kleptocrats seeking to corrupt our government to serve them. And with this we lost our big allies against extremism. Politically, most Republican voters have been turned to serve what were once seen as unacceptable and invalid off-the-cliff ideas. But they have no idea.

Don't want to leave on a bad note, but apparently right wing media have been booming and the numbers of searches for news from right wing media, including new media outlets, have exploded shockingly in numbers. In their enormous battle for power, I suspect wealthy archconservatives have a lot to do with this as they continue their efforts to use our elections to defeat us.

On the plus side, voters are clearly engaged and looking for information about what's happening.

Have a nice day.

PatSeg

(47,414 posts)
67. That was an excellent analogy
Thu May 17, 2018, 11:55 AM
May 2018

I remember those days and pretty much everyone drank and usually drank away from home. As a rule, they were not bad people, but the consequences for drunk driving were pretty insignificant and some people really need life altering deterrents.

I remember my father's republican party of the 1950s and though, I disagree with their anti union, less government stands, they were a more intelligent, articulate party than what we see today. Many were true believers. My father was until Nixon and he felt terribly betrayed. Nixon had been preceded by Governor Stratton of Illinois and my father started to see political corruption pretty much everywhere on the left and the right. Though he continued to vote throughout his life, he never got involved again and didn't talk about it. Dad was a Mr. Smith Goes to Washington type and his heroes cost him his idealism, as well as a really good job government job.

What I see now in the republican party is not any political agenda or ideology, it is about money and corporate greed. Republicans can rewrite ideology to fit the needs of their overlords and their own personal financial needs. They hire spin doctors and dirty tricksters to achieve their goals. The objective is to win at any cost, the ends justify the means, even if it means losing your soul in the process. It rather boggles the mind. Is there anything too low, any lie too outrageous, any corruption too heinous for these people? They aren't Mr. Potter from It's a Wonderful Life. They appear somewhat normal and most seem to love their families. I suppose it is the age old Devil's bargain and once you go so far, there is no turning back.

Right now, I think we are on the verge of a real revolution and it could be the only way we will survive all this. Cleansing can be very messy.



WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
60. The 538 chart is only 'special investigations' since 1979 not all.
Thu May 17, 2018, 01:16 AM
May 2018

Yours adds other types of investigations and is a good meme to grab attention and get people thinking though.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
5. Thanks for the heads up, you moron
Wed May 16, 2018, 08:38 AM
May 2018

I can see the ads now - donnie/rudy saying it's been a year with nothing followed by nixon saying the exact same thing, donnie whining witch hunt with nixon saying the same thing. It'll remind everyone what happens when you vote for republicans.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
8. IMO, this isn't really about ending the probe.
Wed May 16, 2018, 08:59 AM
May 2018

They know they can't.

This is about shoring up support with the base to blunt the effects of the reports when they come.

They probably know that Mueller will not attempt to indict Trump, so it comes down to the political process of impeachment. If they can convince enough for the Republicans that this is a political witch hunt, then they can get support out to the polls in November, and prevent any GOP Senators from supporting conviction.

The thing is, I think that plan will likely work.

The question is, will the REST of us hold the Republicans accountable for their flagrant disregard for the rule of law.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
63. People need to accept that
Thu May 17, 2018, 05:55 AM
May 2018

The chances of 45 meeting justice while living at 1600 Pennsylvania are very small.

The only thing we can do is control what we can control which is the elections. Do our jobs and November to put Republicans out of control and Congress, to be able to have actual legislative branch oversight over the criminal operation for the next 2 years, and then saddle up and vote the f*** her out in 2020.

Then, he'll be fair game.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
64. +1, Benedict Donald wont go to jail but his kids will and that would be justice enough even though
Thu May 17, 2018, 08:02 AM
May 2018

... Benedict Donald wouldn't care

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
10. Rudy: Always a thug
Wed May 16, 2018, 10:12 AM
May 2018

He blusters, he threatens, he yells and shakes his fist. But it's all "told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." (Shoutout to William Shakespeare)

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
45. EXACTLY What I Was About To Post
Wed May 16, 2018, 01:58 PM
May 2018

Check out 18 USC Section 875 and 876. Threatening government officials of the United States is a Class C or D felony, usually carrying maximum penalties of 5 or 10 years, and is investigated by the FBI. When a threat is made against a judge, it can be considered obstruction of justice.

If nothing else, Giuliani's whole, "stop investigating us.............OR ELSE!!!" looks ineffectual and weak. Giuliani might be the worst lawyer in the history of the legal profession.

BSdetect

(8,998 posts)
16. Nothing more scary than a Plan B.
Wed May 16, 2018, 10:53 AM
May 2018

So he thinks Plan B will fail so he comes up with Plan C?

That's a whole two moves ahead in two dimensional tiddly winks.

Wonder if Mueller can keep up?

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
20. Why wasn't Plan A to assist the Special Counsel in any way possible to prove innocence?
Wed May 16, 2018, 11:01 AM
May 2018

Might it be that that defense was not available?

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
24. How long did they pursue the email and Benghazi?
Wed May 16, 2018, 11:08 AM
May 2018

I think the email thing went 2 years and Benghazi went 4 years. They pushed and pushed and beat that dead horse to mush - and they are still looking for an excuse to reopen those investigations.

I love their double standards.

I also love how it’s a Republican running the investigation who was appointed by a republican that was appointed by trump! I post on a conservative forum from time to time and I like put a (R) next to his name like they do in news articles with elected officials to remind them that Mueller is a republican.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,563 posts)
25. I've yet to find out what Plan B and C might be,
Wed May 16, 2018, 11:11 AM
May 2018

but I'm told that Plan D is holding his breath until he's dizzy.

Hong Kong Cavalier

(4,572 posts)
30. Yes, because THREATENING the Special Counsel is a fantastic idea.
Wed May 16, 2018, 11:16 AM
May 2018

You don't look guilty as sin doing that. No siree.

SWBTATTReg

(22,112 posts)
35. I'm sure Mueller has got multiple plans underway that ...
Wed May 16, 2018, 11:22 AM
May 2018

G and RUMP have no idea of. More than likely, I wouldn't be surprised if Mueller has got someone to wear a wire (or two), and has information from multiple directions/sources to confirm/deny the information Mueller is getting from these chumps when they are questioned about their roles in this whole mess.

Liar Liar, pants on fire, Mueller has got the matches!!

nature-lover

(1,469 posts)
54. They don't understand the concept of having plans and not blabbing about them.
Wed May 16, 2018, 07:12 PM
May 2018

Mueller definitely has plans.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
47. Plan B Is He'll Stomp His Widdle Foot, And Plan C Is He'll Hold His Breath
Wed May 16, 2018, 02:01 PM
May 2018

If neither of those works, he's got an emergency, super-secret Plan D, which involves him promising to be Robert Mueller's best friend.

C_U_L8R

(44,999 posts)
55. Geez. Giuliani is playing ABCs...
Wed May 16, 2018, 07:49 PM
May 2018

All those working to uphold Justice got a good laugh at that one. Rudy Joooley, Geeeeeenius.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
56. Somebody should ask this clown...
Wed May 16, 2018, 08:02 PM
May 2018

Somebody should ask this clown…

How he would’ve responded as a prosecutor if the subject/target of his investigation said the same thing he saying now.

I find it truly remarkable how many people are willing to sell their soul to support this traitor.

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