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kentuck

(111,037 posts)
Wed May 16, 2018, 08:28 AM May 2018

The Lawlessness

It is brazen. It is in your face.

Many of the crimes are not hidden or committed in secret. They are in the open. It is flaunted in the public. And nobody does anything.

It is time to put a halt to this bullshit that "no man is above the law". That is obviously a lie.

It is not political, as the politicians would have us believe. It is criminal. The laws are on the book. They are written in our Constitution. Yet, these laws are broken each and every day.

It does not bode well for our country.

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The Lawlessness (Original Post) kentuck May 2018 OP
100% true! BlueJac May 2018 #1
#13 TheSmarterDog May 2018 #2
Yep. kentuck May 2018 #3
It is infuriating Ohiogal May 2018 #4
Where is our new FBI Director?? kentuck May 2018 #6
Sign of the times, pazzyanne May 2018 #8
Well said. I could not agree more. It's infuriating. NoMoreRepugs May 2018 #5
Lies are the core and essence of this current administration. democratisphere May 2018 #7
Trump and Congress have made a joke out of the concept that we are a "nation of laws" world wide wally May 2018 #9
Oh yes PatSeg May 2018 #10
This, above all, is what infuriates me the most. smirkymonkey May 2018 #28
Being arrogant and cocky is bad enough, PatSeg May 2018 #31
Just a random thought Timmygoat May 2018 #11
No, he wimped out Haggis for Breakfast May 2018 #39
I'm gonna wear out this link... Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #12
Authoritarianism, celebrity worship and tribalism run amok, Kentuck. KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #13
Please do not include the King of Thailand with the other thugs. Paka May 2018 #41
Sorry if I offended your culture. KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #42
Absolutely, the father. Paka May 2018 #44
Yes, they are brazen. A President takes a bribe from a foreign power in broad daylight. Blue_true May 2018 #14
+1 dalton99a May 2018 #17
We cannot find a better example . kentuck May 2018 #30
And justice for all mountain grammy May 2018 #15
Well, it is political for the ones who are looking the other way ginnyinWI May 2018 #16
The law is in the money HopeAgain May 2018 #18
K&R. Truth. KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #43
And some expect them to behave at the November election? BSdetect May 2018 #19
I hope the $500 million Chinese bribe will be a high priority item for a House investigation dalton99a May 2018 #20
#BananaRepublic sarcasmo May 2018 #21
I just heard Adam Schiff on Steph Miller and he said that they have evidence of a phone call to a .. Botany May 2018 #22
The wealthy and powerful zentrum May 2018 #23
Well the American people will have to remove this malaise May 2018 #24
Not only that, it's in your face 24 hours a day, 7 days a week! Initech May 2018 #25
It's the looting of the state for personal gain malaise May 2018 #26
And getting worse every day dalton99a May 2018 #29
kakistocracies kentuck May 2018 #35
The perfect concept for these low-life scumbags malaise May 2018 #36
They are more than "unprincipled".. kentuck May 2018 #37
What we have are different manifestations of the shooting someone Enoki33 May 2018 #27
You are right sellitman May 2018 #32
With all due respect RandomAccess May 2018 #33
Report from 2012 in the City of Los Angeles Sophia4 May 2018 #34
Meanwhile today Tillerson gives a speach BigmanPigman May 2018 #38
I keep telling myself Haggis for Breakfast May 2018 #40

pazzyanne

(6,541 posts)
8. Sign of the times,
Wed May 16, 2018, 09:09 AM
May 2018

I don't even know who the director of the FBI is at this time. Had to look it up. There have been so much turnover in this administrations, you get lost in the shuffle.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
7. Lies are the core and essence of this current administration.
Wed May 16, 2018, 09:08 AM
May 2018

The corruption is massively in our faces around the clock while the GOP Congress continues aiding and abetting the destruction of our democracy.

world wide wally

(21,733 posts)
9. Trump and Congress have made a joke out of the concept that we are a "nation of laws"
Wed May 16, 2018, 09:14 AM
May 2018

We have become nothing more than another third world nation, but with a HUGE military.

PatSeg

(47,211 posts)
10. Oh yes
Wed May 16, 2018, 09:23 AM
May 2018

The things they are doing are bad enough, but the brazenness is appalling. Like the schoolyard bully, proclaiming, "What are ya gonna do about it?" followed by a sneer and laughter. How many times have I heard, "We are a country of laws, not men"? Now, more than ever, I can appreciate the rule of law and the justice system, in spite of all its flaws.

It is criminal and if you look across the world, past and present, the countries that have devolved into tyranny and oppression, it was criminal and a breakdown in the legal system.

Trump's comment about shooting someone on Fifth Avenue and not losing any support, was more prescient than it seemed at the time. It was the moment when HE realized, "Shit, I can do anything. No one will stop me." And he has been doing so ever since.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
28. This, above all, is what infuriates me the most.
Wed May 16, 2018, 11:37 AM
May 2018

They are so arrogant and cocky about it all. They really believe that they will never get caught or prosecuted no matter what they do and so they parade their blatant criminality in front of our faces. If justice ever catches up with them, it will be so sweet.

PatSeg

(47,211 posts)
31. Being arrogant and cocky is bad enough,
Wed May 16, 2018, 01:10 PM
May 2018

when you are a competent crook, but these people are ridiculously inept and cartoonish. Where do they get such nerve? May they all get what they deserve 100 fold or more. And may they serve as a reminder to others who think they above the laws the rest of us have to live by. One thing that bothers me to this day about the Bush administration is so few people were held accountable.

Timmygoat

(779 posts)
11. Just a random thought
Wed May 16, 2018, 09:30 AM
May 2018

Now that we are being governed by President Hannity, and talk of torture is back, I seem to remember Hannity offered to be waterboarded at the time, is there a video of this?

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
39. No, he wimped out
Thu May 17, 2018, 12:33 AM
May 2018

and has never made good on his offer.

But I do remember the late Christopher Hitchens, who initially felt the same way as hannity, actually went through with it and was water-boarded by experts (and yes, there is video). He later remarked that even though he knew he was not going to die (they had doctors there overseeing his heart, etc.), and that it would stop, he said it was THE most terrifying experience of his life. (Remember that Hitchens had reported from war zones all over the world.) He later completely reversed his position and said that water-boarding was torture and that anyone who didn't think so should try it immediately.

Lord, I miss Hitch.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
13. Authoritarianism, celebrity worship and tribalism run amok, Kentuck.
Wed May 16, 2018, 09:53 AM
May 2018

Not much different from the opium of Dear Leader in NK, the Saudi Dynasty, the King of Thailand, megachurch preachers, corporate CEOs, or reality show celebrities.

Never dreamed such a segment of our populace and public media could become so enthralled by a complete buffoon - someone who is supposed to be a humble public servant.

This problem takes us back to the very core reasons we have our Constitution. The Framers knew all to well the perils and history of human nature.

Paka

(2,760 posts)
41. Please do not include the King of Thailand with the other thugs.
Thu May 17, 2018, 05:47 AM
May 2018

I live in Thailand and the reason he was revered is that he did very good things for the Thai people and was a very humble man. We now have a military government that is not doing such good things.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
42. Sorry if I offended your culture.
Thu May 17, 2018, 07:14 AM
May 2018

There's certainly an abundance choices throughout human history to cite in this case. My objective in the post was to point out the fallacy of blind loyalty and worship of celebrities, members of the clergy, politicians and businessmen.

This is what had stuck in my memory from some time ago that seems repulsive to human rights (from Wikipedia):

Criticism of the king, queen, crown prince, and more recently, former kings, members of the royal family, and even their pets has long been strictly prohibited, with large fines and prison sentences of up to 35 years being imposed.

Also, I was not thinking of the father who died in 2016, but instead the son Vajiralongkorn. Is he not accepted as the king? Perhaps you are referring to the father since you said "was revered".

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
14. Yes, they are brazen. A President takes a bribe from a foreign power in broad daylight.
Wed May 16, 2018, 09:55 AM
May 2018

A bribe that will hurt American workers and American security. And to republicans in the House and Senate, it is like nothing happened. If President Obama had done something 1/50th as bad, tiki torches would be lighting up the entrance to the White House main gate and armed idiots would be milling around making racist statements.

mountain grammy

(26,594 posts)
15. And justice for all
Wed May 16, 2018, 09:57 AM
May 2018

Those words in the pledge of allegiance are more offensive than “under God” in my opinion. I stand in silence for the whole thing.

ginnyinWI

(17,276 posts)
16. Well, it is political for the ones who are looking the other way
Wed May 16, 2018, 09:58 AM
May 2018

while all of these crimes go on and on.

They are terrified of losing those precious Trumpy votes.

Something's gotta give. It's getting so bad.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
18. The law is in the money
Wed May 16, 2018, 10:14 AM
May 2018

Law in this country is for sale to the highest bidder. The NRA, AIPAC, it doesn't matter which side of the aisle you are on, power relies on resources and that is the end stage of unfettered capitalism. The rich don't only grow richer, they grow more powerful.

It has gotten to the point were we are dropping all pretenses of it being something else.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
43. K&R. Truth.
Thu May 17, 2018, 07:40 AM
May 2018

Money = Power = Corruption of human values.

We now live in a nation where how much money or other assets one owns (or controls) determines your value as a human being, at least in the political and business realms. That also determines how much leverage one has on the political system - just like in the stock market.

The rest of us live in a separate universe where our value is determined more by how we serve our fellow man.

America has always been like this to a degree, but in the past we seemed to have better limits on power. Many of those backstops have now been stripped away.....

BSdetect

(8,994 posts)
19. And some expect them to behave at the November election?
Wed May 16, 2018, 10:20 AM
May 2018

That's when they will really rub our faces in it.

dalton99a

(81,371 posts)
20. I hope the $500 million Chinese bribe will be a high priority item for a House investigation
Wed May 16, 2018, 10:24 AM
May 2018

when Democrats retake the House

Botany

(70,429 posts)
22. I just heard Adam Schiff on Steph Miller and he said that they have evidence of a phone call to a ..
Wed May 16, 2018, 10:40 AM
May 2018

.... "blocked #" that went to the Trump Tower the June 2016 Russia/Don Jr/Manafort/Jared
meeting and the GOP/Nunes House Committee hearings have refused to investigate they call
and whose # it was. The backstory ? is was it Donald Trump calling the meeting.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
23. The wealthy and powerful
Wed May 16, 2018, 10:42 AM
May 2018

….have been above the law for a long time.

Unless you offend the wealthy and powerful—like Madoff did.

It's just more overt now.
Just as systemic racism is now more overt.

Both have been going on since day one.

malaise

(268,604 posts)
24. Well the American people will have to remove this
Wed May 16, 2018, 10:44 AM
May 2018

Kakistocracy - this is shameless criminality on steroids

Initech

(100,024 posts)
25. Not only that, it's in your face 24 hours a day, 7 days a week!
Wed May 16, 2018, 11:12 AM
May 2018

The criminals are out in the open doing criminal things - and they're actually gaining support! So much better than her e-mails!

kentuck

(111,037 posts)
35. kakistocracies
Wed May 16, 2018, 10:27 PM
May 2018

kak·is·toc·ra·cies. Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens. Origin of kakistocracy. Greek kakistos worst superlative of kakos bad

http://www.yourdictionary.com/kakistocracy

kentuck

(111,037 posts)
37. They are more than "unprincipled"..
Wed May 16, 2018, 10:35 PM
May 2018

They are criminals.

It's almost neo-kakistocracies. (new word)

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
27. What we have are different manifestations of the shooting someone
Wed May 16, 2018, 11:19 AM
May 2018

in the middle of Fifth avenue brag.

sellitman

(11,603 posts)
32. You are right
Wed May 16, 2018, 08:04 PM
May 2018

It's very sad. The GOP has the blood of all those fallen over the years to protect our County on their hands now.

It's The GOP who are the Traitors. One and all.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
33. With all due respect
Wed May 16, 2018, 08:55 PM
May 2018

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Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
34. Report from 2012 in the City of Los Angeles
Wed May 16, 2018, 09:33 PM
May 2018

In 2006, Sight was handed the harshest sentence any artist or law enforcement official can recall for graffiti vandalism: Eight years and four months in state prison.

Released after four years for good behavior, he's perhaps the most dramatic casualty to date in L.A.'s war on street art — a multipronged effort that views young graffiti artists as public enemy No. 1 and has destroyed even those graffiti-style murals painted with full consent of building owners. As galleries and museums increasingly recognize the movement's artistic value, government officials only become more determined to wipe it from the streets.

http://www.laweekly.com/news/los-angeles-war-on-street-artists-2176203

I really hate graffiti . . . but ?

And here. I don't smoke marijuana . . . but?

For thousands of Americans, marijuana convictions still bring life-altering consequences, making it difficult to, among other things, find and keep a job, get a professional license or obtain a student loan.

Communities of color have been hit especially hard by the decades-long war on drugs. Studies show a stark racial imbalance in drug enforcement; a 2013 American Civil Liberties Union report concluded that African-Americans were nearly four times more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession than whites, although use of the drug was roughly equal among the races.

Across California, attorneys and drug reform advocates say implementation of Prop. 64 hasn’t been perfect; more resources are needed to process petitions and conduct outreach to people who may be eligible to clear their records and just don’t know it. But overall, they believe the law is an effective tool to undo the collateral damage of felony pot convictions, and they hope it will serve as a model for the rest of the country.

Prop. 64 “gives people the opportunity to recreate themselves and become people instead of statistics,” said Nick Stewart-Oaten, a deputy public defender for Los Angeles County.

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/california_seeks_to_erase_stigma_of_marijuana_offenses/

Hearing the rumor that the Russians had DNC and Hillary e-mails and would publish them or might publish them to help Trump should have caused Trump's team to report the theft to the police. Seems to me anyway.

But no action was taken.

BigmanPigman

(51,554 posts)
38. Meanwhile today Tillerson gives a speach
Wed May 16, 2018, 11:06 PM
May 2018

about telling the truth and how important it is to the success of a democracy...What about the fucking moron who you lied for you hypocrite?

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
40. I keep telling myself
Thu May 17, 2018, 12:37 AM
May 2018
Remember the pendulum always swings back. But damn it's hard to keep going somedays when it feels like we are the pit and they are the pendulum.
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