During the Vietnam War, some guys had bone spurs, while others

[MineralMan]

crapped in their pants to avoid service. Either way...

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. I believe we call them chickenshit chickenhawks.

It was one thing to avoid the war like Bill Clinton did but ALWAYS be outspoken in being AGAINST the war and wanting NOBODY to have to go, vs vile FILTH like Cheney, Hannity (Iraq war), Limbaugh and the rest, RUMP, to suggest that the war is good and others should fight as long as I dont have to.

I have said this often, look at who has caused 95% of all of our problems the past 40 years or so.

Start with Reagan, devastating unions and working people and the middle class. Is he around to be governor or president if he hadnt had this lame excuse

On April 18, 1942, Reagan was ordered to active duty for the first time. Due to his poor eyesight, he was classified for limited service only, which excluded him from serving overseas.[

would he have survived World War 2?

If Cheney and W and Limbaugh and McConnell and I could go on and on and on and on, had been in Vietnam where they belonged, would they have survived? Most of them would have been killed either by the enemy or their own men.

TODAY none of them would be around to fuck things up.

[MineralMan]

2. Yes. I don't know whether military service would have changed any of them.

I dodged the draft and warlike activity, myself, by enlisting for four years in the USAF. It was a conscious decision. So, I ended up spending almost a year in a full-immersion Russian language school at Syracuse University, and then a year and a half at a tiny base in Turkey. I ended up at a desk in the NSA building in Maryland. So, my decision worked out pretty much OK. I don't use the Russian any more, but I did come home whole and didn't have to shoot at anyone.

I had friends who went to Canada. I had friends who got drafted. I had friends who joined the Marines and the US Navy. Everyone made a decision, or let things happen to them as they happened. I had a few friends who did not come back from Viet Nam, too. In the late 60s, while still in the USAF, I also had a bunch of friends who were protesting the war in the DC area. I was part of that, too.

Meanwhile, the chickenhawks did none of those things. They found ways to avoid any responsibility and went on with their lives, free and clear. The rest of us did something or another relating to that misbegotten conflict. The chickenhawks stayed home and got more time to do what they wanted to do.

Everyone made a choice. One way or another.

[Eliot Rosewater]

5. I dont think it would have changed them, i think because they are all ASSHOLES and

very bad at everything they do they would have been taken out by the enemy or their own men for being insufferable assholes.

[MineralMan]

6. Not everyone who was an asshole got fragged.

But, the point is that these particular assholes found a way to stay completely out of it. For that, I condemn them. Even the guys who went to Canada actually took some action. They didn't cheat their way out of service. As it turned out, all ended up being forgiven and many returned. They made their decision. The real chickenhawks had someone get them out of serving or deciding. They're just assholes.

[BSdetect]

7. There is a long list of reagan "hollywood heroes" who never served. Nearly all republicans

John Wayne probably the biggest 'hero' to deplorables.

[braddy]

8. Reagan's eyes would have probably prevented him from being in the military during the war except

for the fact that he had managed somehow to already have been in the military for about 5 years when he was called to active duty.

Reagan had enlisted in the Army Reserves Cavalry in 1937 (Troop B, 322nd Calvary) and had served continuously since then as an officer until being called to active duty in Army transportation in 1942, later transferring to the United States Army Air Forces.

[Locrian]

3. and others volunteered - served, were wounded, etc

https://www.wired.com/story/robert-mueller-vietnam/

Once his knee had healed, Mueller went back to the military doctors. In 1967—just before Donald Trump received his own medical deferment for heel spurs—Mueller started Officer Candidate School at Quantico, Virginia.

[MineralMan]

4. Yes, exactly.

Mueller has credibility. Trump has bupkis.