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According to Giuliani, Mueller told Team Trump (Original Post) OliverQ May 2018 OP
First of all, consider the first three words of your post. Tommy_Carcetti May 2018 #1
I have no idea what the DOJ guidelines say. Trust Rudy. No. Must verify. riversedge May 2018 #2
Mueller is under no obligation to be truthful to Rudy LuckyCharms May 2018 #3
Giuliani knows that Mueller won't contradict him. dawg day May 2018 #4
The Ghoul Said JustAnotherGen May 2018 #5
I'm just reporting what CNN is breaking. OliverQ May 2018 #8
I totally appreciate that Oliver JustAnotherGen May 2018 #9
Quite true. On the flip side, OliverQ May 2018 #10
If he doesn't, then the investigation is a failure. rockfordfile May 2018 #18
That's quite a leap of logic! PJMcK May 2018 #22
I do not believe for a NY minute OldHippieChick May 2018 #6
Thank you underthematrix May 2018 #14
Except Giuliani said it... lisa58 May 2018 #7
Ghouliani also said he was there to wrap things up in a week. NightWatcher May 2018 #11
Uhh, So the Moron Just told the World an Indictment is Warranted, but Mueller won't do it NOW Skraxx May 2018 #12
Sounds like an admission of guilt to me NightWatcher May 2018 #15
Consider the source. I doubt very much that Mueller has told Giu911ani The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #13
Okay, that deserves a tip o' the hat! PJMcK May 2018 #25
I doubt Mueller told Giuliani any such thing. bettyellen May 2018 #16
Why would Mueller waste his time on this issue? Raven123 May 2018 #17
He's chumming the waters C_U_L8R May 2018 #19
I stopped at according to ghouliani Fullduplexxx May 2018 #20
Got a link on that? Kingofalldems May 2018 #21
See below. There is some important context. nt pnwmom May 2018 #24
Hah! That is clearly Giuliani's spin. pnwmom May 2018 #23
Never happened, but if Trump believes it, fine with me Freethinker65 May 2018 #26
Hey, Rudy! PJMcK May 2018 #27
And the DoJ guidelines say it is Rosenstein's decision, not Mueller's. pnwmom May 2018 #28
Giuliani is a liar. NanceGreggs May 2018 #29
If you'd ever been within sniffing distance of Rudy... JHB May 2018 #30

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,166 posts)
1. First of all, consider the first three words of your post.
Wed May 16, 2018, 05:28 PM
May 2018

Secondly, even if it's true, a conservative (small c) approach like this still allows for Trump to be removed from office and then criminally indicted.

I've reserved myself to the position that Trump will not immediately be criminally indicated until after he is impeached and removed or resigns. If I'm wrong, I'll be pleasantly surprised.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
4. Giuliani knows that Mueller won't contradict him.
Wed May 16, 2018, 05:30 PM
May 2018

It's just more ratficking by Ratficker Rudy.

He's lied about everything else so far, not to mention he pretty clearly doesn't know what's going on. He can't even keep straight what he's supposed to lie about for Trump, and tells completely different lies.


JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
5. The Ghoul Said
Wed May 16, 2018, 05:31 PM
May 2018

That - it doesn't mean it is true. The Ghoul most likely is 'saying' this as one of his stupid failing and FLAILING plans.



And yes I just 'dehumanized an enemy of the American people' aka Ghouliani.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
8. I'm just reporting what CNN is breaking.
Wed May 16, 2018, 05:32 PM
May 2018

So I guess yeah Giuliani could be lying, but I still don't think Mueller will indict Trump.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
9. I totally appreciate that Oliver
Wed May 16, 2018, 05:33 PM
May 2018

I just think Ghoul is lying.


He's also scattered, disorganized, and seems not 'on his game'.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
10. Quite true. On the flip side,
Wed May 16, 2018, 05:35 PM
May 2018

flaunting to the media that Mueller has actually considered indicting Trump can't be good for his case.

PJMcK

(22,026 posts)
22. That's quite a leap of logic!
Wed May 16, 2018, 06:28 PM
May 2018

Robert Mueller's investigation has uncovered far more information than has been publicly released. Given the scope of the crimes and the range of the people alleged to have committed them, there is much, much more to this investigation than we've been told.

Have some patience. Trump will be exposed as the criminal that he is. We might have to wait until he's out of office but Trump is going to face justice.

Meanwhile, his presidency is hobbled and its legitimacy is questionable.

I'm putting my faith in Bobby 3-Sticks.

lisa58

(5,755 posts)
7. Except Giuliani said it...
Wed May 16, 2018, 05:32 PM
May 2018

and he hasn’t made a true statement regarding this case the entire time he has represented him.

I do believe it will end up being a resignation- hopefully after Pence is indicted..

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
11. Ghouliani also said he was there to wrap things up in a week.
Wed May 16, 2018, 05:35 PM
May 2018

They have no reason not to continue to lie.

Skraxx

(2,970 posts)
12. Uhh, So the Moron Just told the World an Indictment is Warranted, but Mueller won't do it NOW
Wed May 16, 2018, 05:37 PM
May 2018

What an idiot.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,661 posts)
13. Consider the source. I doubt very much that Mueller has told Giu911ani
Wed May 16, 2018, 05:37 PM
May 2018

anything significant about the investigation or what he intends to do. It is true that the DoJ's guidelines say that a sitting president should not be indicted (although there is no definite legal authority for this), and that because of this it's likely that Mueller wouldn't indict (although maybe he'd want to consider it if a statute of limitations might otherwise run before Spanky leaves office). But what Rudy has to say isn't worth taking seriously because it's only intended for an audience of one.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
23. Hah! That is clearly Giuliani's spin.
Wed May 16, 2018, 06:28 PM
May 2018
"All they get to do is write a report," Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani told CNN. "They can't indict. At least they acknowledged that to us after some battling, they acknowledged that to us."


If Mueller's team really thought that, why was there some battling? I think Mueller's team merely stopped arguing the point. Giuliani wants to frame that as a concession.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/politics/rudy-giuliani-robert-mueller-indictment/index.html

Freethinker65

(10,009 posts)
26. Never happened, but if Trump believes it, fine with me
Wed May 16, 2018, 06:31 PM
May 2018

Let Trump continue to shake down people, corporations, and nations for personal gain. Let him continue to bold face lie to the American people. Let him continue to hold more outlandish rallies with racists and bigots galore. And let him drag the entire GOP with him and expose them for what they are...traitorous hypocrites refusing to do their jobs of upholding the constitution.

PJMcK

(22,026 posts)
27. Hey, Rudy!
Wed May 16, 2018, 06:33 PM
May 2018

You've made your audience of one feel a little better for tonight. Maybe he'll be able to gobble his Big Macs this evening.

Meanwhile, do you realize you keep implying that your client is guilty? Can't you see that?

Do you think that Mr. Mueller's report will be bloodless? Are you really that naive? Don't you see how intense and profoundly deep this investigation is?

Dude, you very well might be implicated yourself since you appeared to have been the recipient of targeted political leaks during the 2016 campaign.

You really need to shut up and sit down.

pnwmom

(108,973 posts)
28. And the DoJ guidelines say it is Rosenstein's decision, not Mueller's.
Wed May 16, 2018, 06:42 PM
May 2018

So I'm sure Mueller made no promises because the final decision isn't up to him.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/02/trump-russia-indictment-mueller-probe-384969

The Justice Department regulations that govern Mueller’s work offer no clear endgame for the public to follow his investigation.

They do stipulate that the deputy attorney general, Rod Rosenstein, has oversight of and final say on all major decisions by Mueller — specifically including any indictments. Rosenstein is also required to submit a report to Congress on the grounds for closing the investigation.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
29. Giuliani is a liar.
Wed May 16, 2018, 06:44 PM
May 2018

There's no reason to believe he's telling the truth about this, any more than he's told the truth about other things.

My take: Giuliani keeps making statements that he hopes Mueller will publicly confirm or deny - thereby giving Trump info as to what's going on inside Mueller's investigation.

You know that it's driving Spanky nuts that Mueller and team are so tight-lipped, he doesn't have a clue as to what they know, and what they'll be able to prove.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
30. If you'd ever been within sniffing distance of Rudy...
Wed May 16, 2018, 07:12 PM
May 2018

...you would never need to be reminded how full of shit he is.

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