A Quiet Suggestion to Pro-RKBA DUers

[MineralMan]

When an incident like happened today occurs, where schoolkids are gunned down at their school, people are going to post things about firearms that you will not like. It's only natural, see. Someone came to that school armed with firearms and killed a bunch of fellow student with those guns. Someone did that, and used firearms to take their lives.

So, if it upsets you when people call for strong firearms controls, just stay away from those threads, OK? Don't come in and post pro-gun crap in them. It's not the time for that, if there ever is such a time. All you'll accomplish is to make people even angrier about the dead easy access to firearms people have in this country. And they're already pissed off, anyhow.

In threads about the latest school shooting, your arguments for gun ownership are going to do nothing but create more anger. Now, if that's what you want to do, then I don't know what to say, except that you might be on the wrong website. Kids died. They were shot with firearms. They're dead now.

THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR PRO-GUN CRAP! Just lay off. Let people vent. Don't read their posts. They saw the news about a bunch of children whose lives are over due to firearms. Save it. Don't argue with them. Just STFU or post over in the Gungeon. Don't be a dick to people who are pissed because kids are dead. It's just not a good idea, OK?

That's my recommendation. I have no authority here, but that's my recommendation.

[JustAnotherGen]

1. I would like to co-sign

This OP.

[MineralMan]

2. Thanks.

[Decoy of Fenris]

3. Just going to leave a KnR here. n/t

[gibraltar72]

4. They probably should go to wherever

they are posting the fake Antifa Hillary stuff about the shooter.

[Iggo]

9. Okay, that's enough.

[flotsam]

5. Well then

You should probably admonish people that posts stating the problem is "every gun owner" are equally non-helpful. But I'm bettin' you won't.

[NurseJackie]

6. ...

You should probably admonish people that posts stating the problem is "every gun owner" are equally non-helpful.

Nobody is stopping you.

[Iggo]

10. And another one.

[flotsam]

12. Another one of what

I support gun control. I own guns and use then responsibly.

[JustAnotherGen]

25. If you start that op

I will try to stop back and co-sign it

[USALiberal]

47. FFS, your one of them I assume. nt

[Aristus]

7. And please, for the love of God, RKBA-ers, don't ever gunsplain to me. All right?

I served in the US Army from 1986 to 1993. I qualified Expert on the M-16 and the Beretta 9mm sidearm, and as part of a tank crew that shot a Superior score on live-fire qualification.

I've fired just about every weapon the Army fields, or fielded at that time, anyway, and I don't need to hear your horseshit about what a weapon is or is not.

[Canoe52]

49. +1000

[aikoaiko]

56. You mean an M-9, right?

[Hekate]

76. Thanks

[lark]

90. +1,000,000

Let me give you a HUGE AMEN!! I am so sick of being told that because I don't know the specific names of the parts of guns my beliefs and thoughts about controlling them are invalid. I am coming from the opposite end, no gun use at all, no knowledge of how they work. Gun control is not about technical issues but common sense ones, like requiring gun locks on all guns, requiring guns to be stored in a safe or at least a locked container, no guns for anyone under 21, anyone who keeps guns unsecured is committing a crime, all gun purchases require background checks, no guns for anyone with a restraining order or on a terrorist watch list, no assault weapons, no large capacity magazines (nothing over 10), no bump stocks, CDC compiles and publicly reports on gun deaths as well as injuries every year, if information on purchaser can't be obtained, no gun is issued, 10 day waiting period. These aren;t perfect, but certainly would prevent lots of deaths. Arming teachers and limiting entrances to schools to 1 are just methods that will increase the death count. Securing all entrances with metal detectors is a good thing, having mental health counselors at every school is a good thing. These are my current recommendations, nothing earth shattering, not ideal, but helpful and not difficult to do if anyone truly wants to limit gun deaths, especially mass school shootings.

[mcar]

8. A sound suggestion

I really don't want to see all the gunsplainin' that often happens at these times.

[DashOneBravo]

11. I agree 100 %

[Iggo]

13. Absolutely.

There'll be time for gunfuckery and whataboutism after the bodies have cooled.

[smirkymonkey]

14. Thank YOU!

I don't want to hear it. I really just don't fucking want to hear it anymore.

[orangecrush]

15. K&R

[SCantiGOP]

16. Agree and kick

The gun lovers have a forum, they should stay out of these decisions.

[Different Drummer]

26. ...

[Leith]

17. Spot On!

That was so much more polite than anything I could say. I completely gave up on them after Sandy Hook.

[MineralMan]

22. I try to maintain some decorum.

It's not easy at times.

[7962]

91. You certainly succeeded! nt

[NRaleighLiberal]

18. Completely agree...k and r

[aikoaiko]

19. I agree that one should not be a "dick to people who are pissed because kids are dead."

But according to the pinned GD thread, it is times like these when we are explicitly permitted to discuss pro- and anti-gun positions in GD.

We can be civil about it. We don't have to tell people to STFU.

[Devil Child]

20. Respectfully, no.

[Mr. Ected]

21. Thank you, MM

The pouring of salt on the wounds that happens every.single.time. has got to end.

[Codeine]

23. I used to do that shit.

Never nasty, never gunsplaining, but just a quiet, hopefully reasonable pro-2A position. I mean, I certainly CAN be an asshole, as you all know, but I don’t think I was in those threads.

That said, I don’t do it anymore - haven’t for years, I’m pretty sure - because it just came to the point that I couldn’t stomach it. I just don’t care about the sanctity of the 2nd Amendment now. It’s all too much, and I’ve been worn down. Fuck guns, and fuck gunners. You spoiled it for yourselves by never being willing to reason, so fuck it. You’ve made enemies of allies, and steeled the opposition of those who don’t agree with you.

Someday you’ll lose your little metal manhood enhancers, and you’ll only have yourselves to blame.

[Different Drummer]

27. ...

[shanny]

28. I hear you.

Remember when we were kids and someone did something foolish/ stupid/dangerous, and that "spoiled it for everyone"?

Sorry to the gun enthusiasts but that's where we are.

[MineralMan]

30. Thanks. Sometimes,

shit gets too real to ignore.

[aikoaiko]

58. "enemies out of allies"

right.

[Hekate]

74. Thank you, Codeine

[Liberalhammer]

24. They are ProNra if you ask me

Yup I said it. It's true, they are some of the most unreasonable members on DU.

[Different Drummer]

29. Great big K&R! n/t

[hack89]

31. Can we respond to vile insults and broad brush character smears?

Or is there no room for PRO-CIVILITY CRAP?

[MineralMan]

32. Frankly, I don't care what you do.

How's that?

[hack89]

33. Feeling is mutual

If I wanted a pious sermon I would go to church.

[MineralMan]

34. OK.

[Hoyt]

52. Do you carry when you go to church?

[hack89]

59. I am an atheist. I don't carry in public. Nt

[Codeine]

35. Perhaps you could be adult enough to realize

people are venting, and that their words don’t hurt you. You have no need to step in and defend guns and the ownership thereof, if for no other reason than your rights aren’t under any threat. In fact, you probably have a greater range of firearms freedom than at any time in the last 75 years.

So just let it go. Ignore the angry words of people who are genuinely enraged that the rights you defend so vociferously are inextricably tied to the deaths of young innocents.

You aren’t helping.

You aren’t convincing.

You’re just rubbing salt in wounds for no reason.

[MineralMan]

36. +a bunch.

[Cha]

82. And, showing absolutely

no empathy.

Mahalo, Codeine

[hunter]

39. Gun fetishes are disgusting. Every time there's a mass shooting...

... the posts of gun fetishists only reinforce my opinion.

Listen to MineralMan.

If, whenever there's a mass shooting you just have to come to DU to defend your gun habit, then maybe you have a problem.

I don't respect the second amendment as it's now interpreted any more than I'd respect someone's right to own slaves. Yet at one time owning slaves was Constitutional.

Most people in the U.S.A. don't care enough about guns to bother owning one.

Most gun owners may have one or two guns safely locked away that they rarely think about, and wouldn't be offended by any reasonable regulation.

But the gun fetishists are keenly aware of any possible threat to their bizarre obsession and will leap up to defend their guns before the bodies of the last victims of the latest mass shooting are laid to rest.

[billh58]

41. +100 n/t

[MineralMan]

45. Good points.

[hack89]

46. That's nice. nt

[Cha]

83. Well done, hunter. Yeah, notice

President Obama didn't take away any of their guns no matter how much the NRA Lied to them that he would.

And, sure as hell these doormats in charge now aren't taking any away. They seem obsessed with getting more out onto the streets.

[Ferrets are Cool]

37. Thank you.

It's pretty amazing how often I agree with your posts.

[MineralMan]

44. Thanks to you!

[NastyRiffraff]

38. +1,000

I'll sign that.

[calimary]

40. And this is my recommendation for what you just

recommended. With bells and whistles and fireworks and a couple miles’ worth of loud marching bands.

[MineralMan]

43. Thanks so much!

[c-rational]

42. Well said and Thank You - a rational recommendation.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

48. In the old days, that's called being ladies and gentlemen.

There's a time to speak and there's a time to be quiet.

.........

[47of74]

50. I fucking second that motion.

[GulfCoast66]

51. So members of Democratic Underground, who totally support the Democratic Party position on guns...

Should STFU?

Got it.

[elias7]

55. Dude, better start wearing ear plugs when you shoot

[Squinch]

57. Except nobody said anything like that.

But I guess some people like to wallow sometimes.

[GulfCoast66]

60. Have you read OUR party platform?

It explicitly supports the right to keep and bear arms. You know, what the OP said we should not discuss.

So am I wrong to mention the Democratic Party platform on Democratic Underground?

It also calls for restrictions on that right. Which I vigorously support.

[Squinch]

63. Your reply has absolutely nothing to do with my post. Did it come from some manual of

generic responses to use in the wake of school massacres?

But anyway, it's just awful what you have to go through. Those horrible people, requesting some decency and restraint in the wake of the latest massacre of school children. The latest of the dozens of massacres to take place so far this year.

I see you're going to bravely and forcefully spurn that request for decency.

[GulfCoast66]

64. Ok. I will become another of the many Democratic Underground

Members who refrain from discussions about guns since it is causes so much rancor.

I guess it is too close to the event to discuss policy.

And I am no fucking NRA member or gun Humper.

This will be my last post on the issue.

[Squinch]

66. Too close to the event? Gosh, ya think?

[Kirk Lover]

72. I learned long ago to not take part in lots of discussions around here !

[Hekate]

77. Spot on, Squinch

[Codeine]

62. Understand there are times and places

for certain subjects and points of view. Let people express frustration at the bullshit surrounding us without feeling the need to defend the delicate sensitivities of gun owners.

It’s the decent thing to do when feelings are raw and emotions run high.

[Iggo]

68. Just don't step all over freshly dead children to defend guns.

Please.

[XRubicon]

53. I want them to post their tired old shit.

The time is now to talk about what happened with gun humpers.

It's not "too soon", we don't need to wait until next week when everyone forgets.

[Honeycombe8]

54. More initials that I don't know what they mean.

I'm afraid to ask.

[Crunchy Frog]

65. It's the DU gun humper forum.

And yes, there really is one.

[Honeycombe8]

67. Oh, ok. Thanks. nt

[Iggo]

69. RKBA stands for Right to Keep and Bear Arms.

[Honeycombe8]

70. Oh, I see. Got it. All these initials I'm seeing lately are so hard to keep track of! Thanks. nt

[7962]

92. "Right To Keep & Bear Arms". nt

[gopiscrap]

61. I agree: gun humpers fuck off and crawl back into your hole

[PatrickforO]

71. And a fine one it is!

I was talking to my son-in-law who is an RKBA guy and not a Dem. In fact, he doesn't vote. But he said the same old shit about it isn't guns, and background checks wouldn't have prevented, etc. etc. etc.

I simply pointed to the grandchildren and said that if one child could be saved by a few sensible rules, then the whole thing would be worth it. No one is talking about confiscating guns. What we're talking about is banning assault weapons and bump stocks and imposing universal background checks.

[luc mont]

73. RKBA?

Sorry, nut I don't know that term.

[Hekate]

78. Right to Keep and Bear Arms

I'd rather arm bears. I think they'd show more restraint, and would not slaughter their cubs.

[luc mont]

85. Thanks for the Info

[Hekate]

75. Thank you, MM

[BobTheSubgenius]

79. The way I see it, gun ownership or PR on behalf of guns aren't necessary.

Guns seem to be doing just fine on their own. People know about guns. They either want one, have some and don't need more, or they don't want one at all.

Dead children are not speed bumps to potentially impede the sale of guns, or something to be maneuvered around by talking up firearms.

Once again...guns don't need any help.

[Cha]

84. Really. President Obama didn't take them away..

like the nra told its members he would.

All we're asking for are Sensible gun laws.

[MrModerate]

80. Yep, when the idiocy and moral vacuum represented by your position . . .

Are written in pools of blood in school classrooms, it might be a good time to Just Shut Up.

I understand that this puts you at a disadvantage when it comes to expressing your beliefs, given that pools of blood seem to be daily occurrences in our schools, but after all, you're the ones with the antisocial opinions.

Remind me to cry you a river.

[tritsofme]

81. "Shut up," he explained.

[appal_jack]

86. There's never a wrong time to speak up for civil rights & liberties.

There is nothing incompatible about standing up for Second Amendment rights and opposing violence.

Your scolding is not helping anything

-app

[MineralMan]

87. You appear to have missed my point entirely.

Oh, well...

[appal_jack]

88. Oh, I heard it loud & clear. nt

[lark]

89. Thank you.

As part of the pro gun restrictions crowd, I appreciate this. I've had so many disagreements with gun humpers on this board, sometimes I just don't respond because I'm already dealing with so much shit in my life, I can't take on any additional non-essential stress.

So sick of stupid meaningless thoughts and prayers, this is just a fig leaf for complicit legislators and voters.