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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Sat May 19, 2018, 12:07 PM May 2018

Can an Amazon shareholder sue the president ?

Can an Amazon shareholder sue the president as he is instructing the Postmaster General to raise their postage rates which will consequently reduce their profit margins and shareholder value because he doesn't like the owner ?

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VMA131Marine

(4,138 posts)
1. Only if Trump is unlucky
Sat May 19, 2018, 12:11 PM
May 2018

If I were one of Amazon's shareholders, I'd be trying to organize a class action suit against Trump.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
3. Using the levers of government to punish your political enemies is an impeachable offense.
Sat May 19, 2018, 12:15 PM
May 2018

It was in the Articles Of Impeachment against Nixon.

unblock

(52,196 posts)
6. Yes but it's hard to prove if there's a legitimate policy argument
Sat May 19, 2018, 12:24 PM
May 2018

If amazon were singled out or if the policy were manifestly contrary to the public interest, there may be a case.

But so far Donnie's only saying the government should get a better deal. Most likely the usps already negotiated a good deal, and most likely Donnie's wrong, but so far his saber rattling is not illegal, imho

unblock

(52,196 posts)
5. I really don't see a legal argument to support that
Sat May 19, 2018, 12:17 PM
May 2018

The government doesn't have a legal obligation to keep the profits of any particular corporation high.

The government is free to charge businesses whatever is permitted by law, and afaik there's no law preventing a price hike after the current contract expires.

It would be a problem if amazon got singled out for a worse deal than others, but I don't think Donnie minds screwing other companies as collateral damage

MichMan

(11,910 posts)
7. Are you saying postal rates can't ever be raised?
Sat May 19, 2018, 12:30 PM
May 2018

Any raise in Postal rates affects on line business doesn't it?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
8. What part of Trump wanted to raise postage rates on Amazon because he doesn't like Jeff Bezos
Sat May 19, 2018, 12:34 PM
May 2018

What part of Trump wanted to raise postage rates on Amazon because he doesn't like Jeff Bezos don't you understand ?


MichMan

(11,910 posts)
9. You don't get standing to sue because someone might do something, they actually have to do it.
Sat May 19, 2018, 12:48 PM
May 2018

Where is the proof that...

a) This only applies to Amazon and no other on line retailer

b) It is being done because of some vendetta against Bezos and for no other reason.

If Amazon's rates were raised, and those facts could be proven in a court of law, there would be a case.


DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
10. If you don't believe Trump is exploring the use of the levers of government
Sat May 19, 2018, 12:59 PM
May 2018

If you don't believe Trump is exploring the use of the levers of government to undermine one of his political opponents there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

MichMan

(11,910 posts)
11. I believe it would be a frivolous lawsuit that wouldn't stand a chance in hell of succeeding
Sat May 19, 2018, 01:12 PM
May 2018

Buy a couple shares of Amazon and go for it if you want

IMO, we need to save the ammunition for things that actually have a legal chance, instead of advocating stupid lawsuits that won't ever see the light of day. There was another thread about people bringing a lawsuit against the NRA which was equally ridiculous. The court system tends to frown on having their time wasted with frivolous lawsuits; that's why most lawyers refuse to file them

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
12. Congress shielded the NRA from most lawsuits
Sat May 19, 2018, 01:20 PM
May 2018

Congress shielded the NRA from most lawsuits:

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/21/politics/congress-passes-new-legal-shield-for-gun-industry.html


As far as I am aware there is no shield for government official using their power to punish their political enemies.

MichMan

(11,910 posts)
14. Thae link you provided has nothing to do with the NRA being sued
Sat May 19, 2018, 01:28 PM
May 2018

It was passed to shield Gun Manufacturers and Retailers from frivolous lawsuits. The NRA supported the legislation, but as far as I know does not manufacture or sell guns, so it doesn't apply to them directly.

The main issue with suing the NRA would be their 1st Amendment rights.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
15. Customers will likely pay the higher rates.
Sat May 19, 2018, 01:29 PM
May 2018

People far from an Amazon distribution center will pay the highest rates. There is a reason why your zip code is requested when shipping is calculated.

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