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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan Americans ditch guns the way we ditched cigarettes?
And now? Not so much. Can it work like that with guns?
Because after another horrific school shooting eight students and two teachers massacred at Santa Fe High School outside Houston on Friday we are nearly out of fresh ideas.
I know some have strong feelings about gun rights but I want you to know Ive hit rock bottom and I am not interested in your views as it pertains to this issue, Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo wrote in a Facebook post. Please do not post anything about guns arent the problem, and theres little we can do. The only relief in sight is the end of the school year. Hows that for a solution?
Whole Column by Petula Dvorak here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/can-americans-ditch-guns-the-way-we-ditched-cigarettes/2018/05/21/c5394db0-5cfd-11e8-b2b8-08a538d9dbd6_story.html?utm_term=.3d502f4df6f9&wpisrc=nl_buzz&wpmm=1
Aristus
(66,294 posts)Absent legislation, make guns so socially unacceptable that no one wants to buy them anymore.
As with cigarettes, it's likely going to take decades of unrelenting effort. The pushback is too strong. Southerners are still trying to 'win' the Civil War'. Libertarian nut-bags are convinced they can win an uprising against the evuhl gubmint. The weak and the insecure are convinced that owning a gun makes them sexually irresistable Rambos.
We have a lot to do. Let's get started.
FSogol
(45,455 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)unlike tobacco, guns are actually useful. Target shooting is a more or less harmless hobby. Shooting rabid raccoons, rats, rattlesnakes, and tonight's dinner is generally accepted. And, I must admit, a well-crafted firearm from a talented gunsmith is something to be admired. Pretty much a work of art.
It's shooting people that's the problem. And the NRA with its obscene refusal to stop the propaganda, or to seriously help solve the problem.
I think we are seeing the change, though. Schoolkids on TV saying their biggest fears are about being shot-- this is destroying childhood as we knew it and the kids and their parents are getting the message. I expect some day to see these open carry assholes walking down the street armed to the teeth and getting mobbed by kids and their parents.
Like Nazis, we'll never get rid of the diehards, but they can be relegated to the fringe and despised by the rest of us.
aikoaiko
(34,163 posts)But I do think gun ownership will continue to fade away from most households.
Anti gun politics dominated from 1968 to 1994 and then progun politics dominated from 1995 to now. Its seems like its about to swing back to Antigua. Politics.
Through all these swings fewer household have guns.
lame54
(35,268 posts)Americans have no long history of coming to their senses, and an extremely long history of being easily manipulated by propaganda. As long as half the politicians and media is saying guns are good, the notion that they are not will not be anything like universal.
The fewer guns the better
I also think a lot of the issue isn't just the guns, it is a culture that romanticizes gun use. The rugged individual fighting for justice ' just them and their trusty firearm.
When gun owning becomes socially suspect, you will see fewer of the wrong person using a gun for the wrong reason.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)The Centers for Disease Control, which investigates and reports on the epidemiology of public health matters, including those which threaten or end life, has been expressly forbidden from studying or reporting on gun violence. So nobody's going to do anything about it.
Until we get a whole new government not enthralled to Russia and the NRA.
unc70
(6,109 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)The CDC can research the causes of gun deaths and dismemberments, but they can't make any recommendations having anything to do with access to guns, even if easy access to guns is the direct cause of the problem.
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,476 posts)https://www.google.com/search?q=1996+dickey&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1
The wikipedia link:
That month, a spokeswoman for the agency, Courtney Lenard, told the Washington Post that "It is possible for us to conduct firearm-related research within the context of our efforts to address youth violence, domestic violence, sexual violence, and suicide. But our resources are very limited."
The Kellerman work was deeply flawed.
samir.g
(835 posts)They should have a stigma on par with pedophiles.
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)Guns will continue to offer "security" IT may be false security..but security anyway.
onenote
(42,607 posts)Smoking dropped off -- and its taken a long time -- because (1) it was harmful to the people who smoked and so they quit; (2) it was harmful to people in the immediate vicinity of smokers, so businesses, restaurants etc. started banning smoking; and (3) advertising was restricted.
The role of the government was most significant when it came to advertising. It was important with regard to second hand smoke, but it took businesses deciding they were better off accommodating non-smokers than smokers. And even the ban on advertising in and of itself was only part of the story -- it was tv and movies showing fewer depictions of smoking (and making it seem less glamorous or cool) that changed attitudes. Will tv and movies stop showing guns? Unlikely.
Gun owners don't think of guns as presenting a danger to themselves. And while some businesses can and do restrict guns from being carried on their premises, the immediate threat of those guns is perceived differently by people than the immediate impact of second hand smoke. The author of the column cites her kids freaking out a seeing someone smoking in a restaurant. Well, its not that common to see guns in restaurants. Even if open carry was banned, concealed carry would be largely unaffected.
One change that could help: non-smoking benefits people in terms of insurance; if the same was true of gun ownership, some people might decide they prefer lower insurance rates to owning a gun.
NickB79
(19,224 posts)The only time any insurance (medical, life, car, or home) has inquired about my gun ownership status was when I bought a house 9 yr ago and State Farm offered to sell me supplemental insurance to cover gun replacement costs in case of fire or theft (not covered under regular policies).
They cared more about my fireplace than my guns.
hunter
(38,304 posts)Even without the law we can encourage friends and family to give up this filthy habit, and we can denormalize gun culture.
Two thirds of us don't care enough about guns to bother owning one.
Most gun owners have one or two guns safely locked away that they rarely think about, guns that might be decades old.
The gun fetishists know who they are. They are the most significant market for the gun manufacturers. Many own small arsenals. They often let "bad guys" live in their heads and they sometimes carry guns for "self defense."
It's sad really, like a chain smoker who can't quit.
demosincebirth
(12,530 posts)scarytomcat
(1,706 posts)they will never give either up
Raine
(30,540 posts)Hekate
(90,565 posts)As all of us at DU know by now, that is a commodity in short supply in the US Congress -- until we get rid of the Repubs and any others on the NRA payroll. We need to make taki g money from the NRA as toxic as possible.
It won't be in my lifetime, but I think it will come to that. We have to do our part to ostracize the gun nuts. The old fat white guys will die off sooner rather than later.