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sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
Mon May 21, 2018, 07:58 PM May 2018

'Highly Offended' White Teacher Kicked My 9-Year-Old Son Out of Class for Taking Knee During Pledge

Dash had not asked for my permission to take a knee; nor did he need it. He has followed the national conversations on state violence and policing in this country. He has seen video of police shootings. We’d like to think that our babies haven’t seen people who look like them gunned down in the streets, but they have. Between social media, iPhones, YouTube and news stations, they’ve seen it. As parents, we just have to figure out how to talk to them about it.




snip

The idea that black children have the luxury to be as oblivious to the world around them as white children is absurd. But it comes from the sedentary minds of willfully ignorant white adults, who were once the oblivious white children who didn’t have to worry about deputized bigots gunning them down if they walked to the store to buy Skittles.

My baby has been rocking #42 since he was 5. He’s always taken stances against injustice. He knows that police officers are gunning down his people with impunity. He made the decision to take a knee on his own and I’m so proud of him. They will not dim his light. pic.twitter.com/YriCNfXMfu
— Kirsten West Savali (@KWestSavali) May 10, 2018



Black pain is nothing more than a threadbare cushion for them, passed down from generation to generation, protecting them from confronting their own aggressive white mediocrity.

This past week, I’ve really thought deeply about what it means for enemies to educate our children. Not the national dialogue around slavery in textbooks—nor teachers and security guards inflicting violence on students—but the smaller moments that occur in between the lines, in hallways and advisory periods; the ways in which some educators attempt to colonize our children’s minds until their blackness becomes palatable to society.

In an open letter to his nephew, James Baldwin wrote: “The details and symbols of your life have been deliberately constructed to make you believe what white people say about you. Please try to remember that what they believe, as well as what they do and cause you to endure, does not testify to your inferiority, but to their inhumanity and fear.”

Read More:https://www.theroot.com/highly-offended-white-teacher-kicked-my-9-year-old-so-1826077615

Dash



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'Highly Offended' White Teacher Kicked My 9-Year-Old Son Out of Class for Taking Knee During Pledge (Original Post) sheshe2 May 2018 OP
I'm white. I'd go take a knee next to that kid any time. sharedvalues May 2018 #1
+1 RandomAccess May 2018 #2
I am white too. sheshe2 May 2018 #4
Agree! mountain grammy May 2018 #10
So it is written, so shall it be, so should we all. BBG May 2018 #44
Yes ! mahannah May 2018 #47
I'll Have Your Back ProfessorGAC May 2018 #68
They still do the pledge in schools? Tipperary May 2018 #3
Why did you think that? Mariana May 2018 #14
Depends on the school. WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #18
In NV it's daily. Depends on state Nevernose May 2018 #34
You'll never meet a Canadian who doesn't love their country, and luvtheGWN May 2018 #48
What did you think of the teacher's apology letter? oberliner May 2018 #5
It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission. nt BumRushDaShow May 2018 #7
... sheshe2 May 2018 #9
Black folk are tired of getting post facto apologies that come only after the wrongdoing goes viral EffieBlack May 2018 #20
Amen! BumRushDaShow May 2018 #21
Think before you act mcar May 2018 #73
The letter is commendable GaryCnf May 2018 #12
I do not need the link. sheshe2 May 2018 #15
The author of your OP wrote: "Black Women Are Realizing That the Democratic Party Is Full of Shit" oberliner May 2018 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 May 2018 #24
Hey, boo bear EffieBlack May 2018 #28
Thank you - I've noticed this also. You have to wonder about those "mind parasites"... erronis May 2018 #40
.. George II May 2018 #54
"And it makes me sad because, you know, you're my boo and I want you to do better. " sheshe2 May 2018 #57
.... ehrnst May 2018 #65
Heh! betsuni May 2018 #71
He's not your boo - JustAnotherGen May 2018 #76
You make me blush! EffieBlack May 2018 #81
It's good to have a hobby. grantcart May 2018 #86
Well sheshe2 May 2018 #56
Someone should get in touch with Meghan Markle - I mean, HRH The Duchess of Sussex EffieBlack May 2018 #58
I say let them be. sheshe2 May 2018 #63
Boom! mcar May 2018 #74
you really are showing heaven05 May 2018 #66
You better not post anything else by Michael Harriot then. betsuni May 2018 #72
+1,000,000 George II May 2018 #53
"all over this board on every post about race" Vermijelli May 2018 #64
That it came after she doubled down, claiming it was "disruptive". moriah May 2018 #23
This. sheshe2 May 2018 #26
Not the point of the OP. I try to live my life so that I rarely if ever find myself..... George II May 2018 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 May 2018 #31
That was his teacher's note? UpInArms May 2018 #87
+1. Many otherwise progressive people here and elsewhere make that mistake and similar ones. Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #89
K&R GaryCnf May 2018 #6
Thanks Gary. sheshe2 May 2018 #8
This GaryCnf May 2018 #13
He has all the right to do what he did. IluvPitties May 2018 #11
It is his first amendment right. sheshe2 May 2018 #46
Sadly the law is more or less that children, esp. at school, have minimal 'rights' ... mr_lebowski May 2018 #62
Waiting for the "School's for learning, not protesting ... He should have followed the rules" posts EffieBlack May 2018 #16
Obligatory: Schools for learning, not being murdered by the NRA... erronis May 2018 #41
We shall see. sheshe2 May 2018 #43
Actually he is respecting our flag, our democracy, and our Constitution. demigoddess May 2018 #17
As an Air Force veteran who supposedly fought for these freedoms Stryst May 2018 #22
"aggressive white mediocrity. "? guillaumeb May 2018 #27
... sheshe2 May 2018 #37
Not simply his teacher? Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #29
Have no clue what you are saying here. sheshe2 May 2018 #59
Wow! This child will never be kicked around by authority MaryMagdaline May 2018 #30
I applaud this bright individual for his independent thinking discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #32
I will never understand why kneeling is disrespectful. Cracklin Charlie May 2018 #33
I agree gollygee May 2018 #38
"Disrespect" is erroneously being used by them as a synonym for nonconformity. nt Gore1FL May 2018 #39
It's not in and of itself. EffieBlack May 2018 #60
True, Charlie. sheshe2 May 2018 #61
I will never understand why the Pledge of Allegiance Mr.Bill May 2018 #35
My elder child refuses to do it gollygee May 2018 #36
The point is the "under God," I believe... Orsino May 2018 #78
Could forced recitations Alwaysna May 2018 #79
maybe he took a knee because he's read more of the Constitution than the 2nd amendment Takket May 2018 #42
If your flag stands for genocide, I disrespect it gratuitous May 2018 #45
i am so reading that keroro gunsou May 2018 #75
The teacher wrote that she wished that students exboyfil May 2018 #49
I can understand that mindset in say preschool or kindergarten Blue_Adept May 2018 #69
I find that disturbing... a teacher is not a Mom...I taught for a number of years before living in Demsrule86 May 2018 #70
This teacher has earned Alwaysna May 2018 #80
Teacher should be fired. rockfordfile May 2018 #50
It should come as a surprise to no one here. BobTheSubgenius May 2018 #51
"Students do not shed their constitutional rights...of expression at the schoolhouse gate." FailureToCommunicate May 2018 #52
There was a girl in my homeroom in 1981 he refused to stand/participate in the pledge AdamGG May 2018 #55
excellent OP heaven05 May 2018 #67
Thank you, heaven. sheshe2 May 2018 #85
A little detail I'm curious about. Orsino May 2018 #77
That's not disrespect, that's dissent. That's real patriotism. argyl May 2018 #82
I have refused to stand for the pledge for decades. next time, I will take a knee, right niyad May 2018 #83
Taking a knee is a form of reverence neohippie May 2018 #84
I'd personally never take a knee, but I understand why he did Victor_c3 May 2018 #88
Good Job!! McKim May 2018 #90
The highly offensive white "teacher" who kicked your son out of class for taking a knee... debsy May 2018 #91

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
1. I'm white. I'd go take a knee next to that kid any time.
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:03 PM
May 2018

I feel that something white people should do is show solidarity for black people getting harassed by other white people.

I’d take a knee right next to the kid, or any other black person who wishes. So should we all.




This country- and this Democratic Party - is all about equal rights and equal opportunity.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
4. I am white too.
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:15 PM
May 2018

I agree with you 100%...

I’d take a knee right next to the kid, or any other black person who wishes. So should we all.


"So should we all."

We are looking at the future here, just like the Parkland students.

BBG

(2,525 posts)
44. So it is written, so shall it be, so should we all.
Mon May 21, 2018, 09:43 PM
May 2018

Give me that opportunity to take a knee and I’m there too.

So should we all.

ProfessorGAC

(64,852 posts)
68. I'll Have Your Back
Tue May 22, 2018, 08:43 AM
May 2018

And take a knee with you. I hate the stupid pledge of allegiance anyway, so anything to strike a blow against that ridiculous ritual is something i'm going to jump on.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
14. Why did you think that?
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:33 PM
May 2018

Yes, they still do the pledge in schools. Every so often there's another story about some ignorant-ass teacher who illegally throws a kid out of class for not standing up for it. Fortunately, most teachers know better, so it doesn't happen very often.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
34. In NV it's daily. Depends on state
Mon May 21, 2018, 09:12 PM
May 2018

In Nevada, every public school has to recite the Pledge every single school day, followed by 30 seconds of silence (for prayer). Other states have no requirements or leave it up to the Districts or schools themselves.

Personally, I think repeating it daily has the opposite effect: by high school, kids are completely numb to it, even the MAGA!!!! kids.

I think forcing people to swear allegiance to a flag (or anything else for that matter) is a dumb waste of time. No one thought, “Today I join ISIS, so death to America! Oh, wait. Damnit, I pledged my allegiance to the flag. Guess I’m a patriot now.”

That minute every day could be better spent with a short piece of civics and there’s no reason to sit in silent contemplation for a minute. Nevada legislators that I’ve spoken to seem willing to change the law to be once a week instead of daily and think Republicans would conmpromise at that. The problem is I only know Democrats. Nevada legislators have a limited number of bills they’re allowed to file during their biannual session, and Democrats tend to file ALL of their bills (some Republicans have never suggested a single bill) and usually on far more substantive stuff.

luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
48. You'll never meet a Canadian who doesn't love their country, and
Mon May 21, 2018, 09:52 PM
May 2018

guess what? Not one of us has ever recited any kind of "pledge". Love and pride are brought about by experience and the examples set by our families, and by our history, and certainly not by being forced to recite a pledge in school every day. Has it made Americans in their country any better than Canadians (or Swedes, or Danes, or the French) in their support for their country? I have to wonder what those who support Trump, or the NRA, or any white supremacist group were actually thinking when they recited the Pledge of Allegiance every morning for 12+ years.

Spending 5 minutes every morning teaching civics, or how government works, would do so much more in developing good citizens.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
20. Black folk are tired of getting post facto apologies that come only after the wrongdoing goes viral
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:50 PM
May 2018

It’s long past time for grown-assed Wypipo to stop abusing black people, especially our children. Do it in advance and they don’t have to apologize.

It’s also time for other white people to stop making excuses for them, either blatantly or passive-aggressively.

 

GaryCnf

(1,399 posts)
12. The letter is commendable
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:29 PM
May 2018

But what this young man will experience throughout his life isn't just, or even primarily, about whether he encounters good people or bad people, but the intrinsically racist society and institutions of the nation where he lives.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
15. I do not need the link.
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:35 PM
May 2018

I read it as it is in the article I posted. One that I read every word of, did you?
First of all I am appalled this person is even a teacher. She had to add a word with a ^ and then wrote over a misspelling. Seriously, she could not take the time and effort to rewrite it.
Lame.

Better question would be what do YOU think about it? You have been all over this board on every post about race the past few days. You are dropping bombs, never responding. There is also your behavior concerning EffieBlack. Stop shadowing her, stop mimicking her with your counter OPs. This is unbecoming behavior of a DUer.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
19. The author of your OP wrote: "Black Women Are Realizing That the Democratic Party Is Full of Shit"
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:46 PM
May 2018

Kind of "unbecoming behavior of a DUer" to regularly post articles by people who despise the Democratic Party in general, and the Clintons in particular.

In terms of the letter, I know a prince who once wore a Nazi armband and is now considered "woke" by some folks here.

Response to oberliner (Reply #19)

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
28. Hey, boo bear
Mon May 21, 2018, 09:00 PM
May 2018

I’m getting a little worried about you. You’ve always come across as a little flaky, but lately, you seem to be having some memory/cognitive issues.

For example, you just wrote “Kind of ‘unbecoming behavior of a DUer’ to regularly post articles by people who despise the Democratic Party in general, and the Clintons in particular.” But just yesterday, you posted an article by an author - you know, the guy whom you’re obsessed with almost as much as you are with me - who has been very critical of Democrats and the Clintons in particular. So critical that you’ve repeatedly attacked him for it.

I could maybe see this not being a problem if you’d done that a few months ago. But you just did it yesterday. And we all saw it and remember it. And while we can live with you being the resident apologist tasked with doing oppo research on and then "outing" every commentator who says anything that makes white people uncomfortable, turning around and posting them as an OP when it suits you completely undercuts any point you're trying to make.

So, I’m concerned that you’re getting a little confused. And, besides that, I hate to see you keep making such an abject fool of yourself in front of so many people since people see us as a “thing” and you might start making me look bad. You look ridiculous and petty and not nearly as clever as you think, which I’m sure isn’t what you’re going for.

And it makes me sad because, you know, you’re my boo and I want you to do better.

JustAnotherGen

(31,780 posts)
76. He's not your boo -
Tue May 22, 2018, 09:18 AM
May 2018

He's your bae!

This is a beautiful relationship I see building between you two. It's just like my marriage - he says anything to get your attention. Negative is better than no attention at all!

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
56. Well
Mon May 21, 2018, 11:08 PM
May 2018
In terms of the letter, I know a prince who once wore a Nazi armband and is now considered "woke" by some folks here.


I know a man/senator in his 30's that wrote a fantasy rape essay. Is he sorry for it? No clue, yet truth is people grow, they change for the better.
 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
58. Someone should get in touch with Meghan Markle - I mean, HRH The Duchess of Sussex
Mon May 21, 2018, 11:17 PM
May 2018

and let her know she married a Nazi. I'm sure she'll be horrified to learn that. Maybe it's not too late to get the marriage annulled.

Any suggestions for who should make that call? I know the perfect person, but maybe you can think of someone else.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
63. I say let them be.
Mon May 21, 2018, 11:46 PM
May 2018

Interesting fact that I know you know

The first and last Prince of Sussex.


The prince supported the abolition of the slave trade, catholic emancipation, the removal of civil restrictions on Jews and parliamentary reform which were apparently all at odds with his ruling father.


https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/culture/culture-news/a20743664/duke-of-sussex-prince-harry-meghan-markle-royal-titles/

I find it sad that some people want to piss on an amazing event. A beautiful biracial woman that is not only talented, she is an activist. She and Harry will be making a huge difference in our lives.

Diana is smiling.

betsuni

(25,377 posts)
72. You better not post anything else by Michael Harriot then.
Tue May 22, 2018, 09:00 AM
May 2018


And if you're going to judge people by what they've done when young, get ready to get the same treatment.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
23. That it came after she doubled down, claiming it was "disruptive".
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:55 PM
May 2018

... and only after the principal got involved.

And that it had to be written at all is a travesty. The kid understood more about the movement and why the kneeling was more respectful than merely sitting than the teacher.

And that she's a lazy teacher who didn't care enough about said apology to write it fresh after making a mistake.

Which kind of shows right there how much it was meant.

George II

(67,782 posts)
25. Not the point of the OP. I try to live my life so that I rarely if ever find myself.....
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:57 PM
May 2018

Last edited Mon May 21, 2018, 10:44 PM - Edit history (1)

....having to apologize. I'm not perfect but I think before I say or do something.

In many cases an apology is a second thought. Avoiding a reason to apologize should be one's first thought.

Response to George II (Reply #25)

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
87. That was his teacher's note?
Tue May 22, 2018, 04:24 PM
May 2018

Her grammar sucks

People are “who”

Things are “that”

I hate it when people are objectified

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,955 posts)
89. +1. Many otherwise progressive people here and elsewhere make that mistake and similar ones.
Tue May 22, 2018, 05:53 PM
May 2018

Any time somebody says or writes that a person "serviced" another person, they are wrong, unless they are talking about a prostitute.

We service cars. We serve people, for example in shops and restaurants.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
8. Thanks Gary.
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:23 PM
May 2018

So much more at the link. It makes it hard to decide how to post and still make sense. I love this story and all, including Colin that supported this beautiful young man.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
46. It is his first amendment right.
Mon May 21, 2018, 09:47 PM
May 2018

Seems to my dismay, comes in at a second, for the second amendment. Seems they have use of both and deny us our first.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
62. Sadly the law is more or less that children, esp. at school, have minimal 'rights' ...
Mon May 21, 2018, 11:45 PM
May 2018

They have certain legal protections as all people do, against crimes committed against them but proper 'rights' ... they really legally don't have many. The '1st Amendment' and all others ... have been interpreted by courts as be applicable to adults, not minors.

School could pass a rule saying straight up 'you'll be expelled (for doing what he did)', and he'd have zero legal recourse, personally.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
16. Waiting for the "School's for learning, not protesting ... He should have followed the rules" posts
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:37 PM
May 2018

They should be along any minute now.

Or, maybe, hopefully, they’ll stay away his time. Please.

erronis

(15,181 posts)
41. Obligatory: Schools for learning, not being murdered by the NRA...
Mon May 21, 2018, 09:41 PM
May 2018

OK - not just the NRA, but they are the principal catalysts for this obsession with bearing assault weapons.

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
17. Actually he is respecting our flag, our democracy, and our Constitution.
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:40 PM
May 2018

Taking a knee should be recognized a political speech and as so is protected. 1st amendment.

Stryst

(714 posts)
22. As an Air Force veteran who supposedly fought for these freedoms
Mon May 21, 2018, 08:55 PM
May 2018

I salute this young man. True patriotism is never easy, and there will be scorn. Stay strong.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
27. "aggressive white mediocrity. "?
Mon May 21, 2018, 09:00 PM
May 2018

Please have some respect.

It is President aggressive white mediocrity. And his aggressive white mediocre family of thieves.

MaryMagdaline

(6,851 posts)
30. Wow! This child will never be kicked around by authority
Mon May 21, 2018, 09:02 PM
May 2018

I am sorry you are going through this. On the other hand, I am very proud of your son. The teacher wins this round through force but your son made other children think. Bravo!

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,475 posts)
32. I applaud this bright individual for his independent thinking
Mon May 21, 2018, 09:07 PM
May 2018

Most schools are conformity factories where individuality is discouraged. This is one reason I want to see some changes.

Individuality is the essence of freedom and, as Einstein said, "Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population." and "Everything that is really great and inspiring is created by the individual who can labor in freedom."

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
61. True, Charlie.
Mon May 21, 2018, 11:25 PM
May 2018
Cracklin Charlie
33. I will never understand why kneeling is disrespectful.

Kneeling is a sign of respect.


One kneels in church...no longer there myself, yet one kneels to god. Believers do and when I do go I do the same to show respect to those that do believe.

Knelling is respect.


Mr.Bill

(24,238 posts)
35. I will never understand why the Pledge of Allegiance
Mon May 21, 2018, 09:21 PM
May 2018

has to be said daily, or even weekly or monthly for that matter. Ask any politician who thinks so if he repeats his oath of office every day. Do we repeat our marriage vows daily? Why to we have to repeat an oath to a flag on a daily basis? Did we forget what flag we owe allegiance to since yesterday?

A forced oath of allegiance is one of the most un-American things I can think of. And I have felt this way since I was a child in the first grade.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
78. The point is the "under God," I believe...
Tue May 22, 2018, 09:27 AM
May 2018

...with the noise about disrespecting troops as mere distraction.

But I guess our public schools are an arm of the government, with every student required to attend until a certain age. I wouldn't be averse to some form of patriotic display, but daily? And participation mandated? That strikes me as stupid Dear-Leader stuff that democracy should shun.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
45. If your flag stands for genocide, I disrespect it
Mon May 21, 2018, 09:44 PM
May 2018

If your flag stands for abusing women, children, orphans and refugees, I disrespect it.

If your flag stands for enriching the wealthy at the expense of the poor, I disrespect it.

If your flag stands for imprisoning millions for minor offenses while the well-connected go free, I disrespect it.

If your flag stands for building palaces for wealthy sports teams while citizens are homeless, I disrespect it.

If your flag stands for waging wars in far-off countries and ignoring the wounded and the veterans when they come back, I disrespect it.

If your flag stands for destroying the environment so the wealthy can get richer, I disrespect it.

If your flag stands for selling off public lands for private gain, I disrespect it.

And, for the teacher who decided that Dash needed a Good Talking To, I assign a reading of and a 250-word essay on e.e. cummings' poem "I Sing of Olaf Glad and Big" :

https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/i-sing-of-olaf-glad-and-big/

keroro gunsou

(2,223 posts)
75. i am so reading that
Tue May 22, 2018, 09:13 AM
May 2018

in the voice of Davos Seaworth... it reminded me of the time he owned Melissandre over her role in the death of Shireen

"if your lord commands you to burn children then he is EVIL!"

that said, i wish i had that kid's guts when i was his age.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
49. The teacher wrote that she wished that students
Mon May 21, 2018, 09:54 PM
May 2018

thought of her as mom? That that seems particularly messed up to me. These kids are 4th graders. I don't know much about teaching especially younger children, but I would not want any teacher to characterize their relationship with my child in that fashion.

Just a couple of weeks before this incident, the teacher who threw Dash out of class sent me an email. She wanted me to know that she truly cares about my son and that when he’s at school, he should think of her as his mom and feel free to come to her about anything.

Blue_Adept

(6,393 posts)
69. I can understand that mindset in say preschool or kindergarten
Tue May 22, 2018, 08:47 AM
May 2018

But once you hit first, things shift and that kind of mindset is completely counter to what's needed.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
70. I find that disturbing... a teacher is not a Mom...I taught for a number of years before living in
Tue May 22, 2018, 08:51 AM
May 2018

Georgia where it was a form of child abuse (went into business) at least where I was ...and I am the teacher not their Mom...many other teachers act like they know the kids better than their parents...but they don't....and you involve parents ...certainly you don't attempt to become them...and you respect parents as more knowledgeable about their child than you will ever be...get them on the team.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,559 posts)
51. It should come as a surprise to no one here.
Mon May 21, 2018, 10:10 PM
May 2018

The Pledge of Allegiance came about as a marketing ploy to sell flags. Sounds right.


Which President was it that said "The business of America is business?"

AdamGG

(1,286 posts)
55. There was a girl in my homeroom in 1981 he refused to stand/participate in the pledge
Mon May 21, 2018, 10:51 PM
May 2018

Which I remember thinking was cool that she'd thought things out about something I hadn't given much thought. But, throwing the kid out of class is completely inappropriate. That teacher should be suspended.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
77. A little detail I'm curious about.
Tue May 22, 2018, 09:24 AM
May 2018

Did the teacher finish the Pledge first, or interrupt it to stomp on this mildest form of dissent?

And I'd love to know how many of Dash's classmates will be joining him now that they have tacit permission.

argyl

(3,064 posts)
82. That's not disrespect, that's dissent. That's real patriotism.
Tue May 22, 2018, 11:45 AM
May 2018

Anyone can follow the crowd. He took a knee to stand up for injustice. Bravo.

niyad

(113,055 posts)
83. I have refused to stand for the pledge for decades. next time, I will take a knee, right
Tue May 22, 2018, 12:13 PM
May 2018

alongside this amazing young person!!

neohippie

(1,142 posts)
84. Taking a knee is a form of reverence
Tue May 22, 2018, 02:36 PM
May 2018

Taking a knee isn't disrespectful at all, it's a form of reverence. People take a knee when proposing marriage. I never understood the whole disrespectful connotation thrown at this

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
88. I'd personally never take a knee, but I understand why he did
Tue May 22, 2018, 05:41 PM
May 2018

And I applaud him for his non-disruptive protest.

To me, the pledge is a promise I make to the nation and to the ideas of liberty and justice. Just because there might not always be liberty and justice doesn’t mean I shouldn’t continue to make that pledge to do so on my part.

If this was my daughter, I’d be proud and respectful of her opinion. Kids these days a growing up to not be silent in their political beliefs


The same thing with the National anthem. I’d never do anything but stand at the position of attention (as the military dictates you do when you arent in uniform) during its playing. To me, it has a different meaning and symbolism than probably to most - but I respect and completely support those who take a knee. I understand the meaning it has to them too.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
90. Good Job!!
Tue May 22, 2018, 06:18 PM
May 2018

This young man should be celebrated for thinking deeply. We trained our daughter to not salute the flag in class because my husband’s brother died in Vietnam for a lie. We do not honor out flag also because the words of the flag are simply not true. We explained this to her fifth grade teacher saying that when these words come true, she can do the pledge. The teacher understood, after we explained that this was our dauther’s right to free speech. It was a good lesson for the teacher and we felt honored as parents.

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91. The highly offensive white "teacher" who kicked your son out of class for taking a knee...
Tue May 22, 2018, 06:59 PM
May 2018

... during the pledge should be relieved of her job. She has no business being in that position. If only all the citizens in our country were as well-informed and active in their civic duty as your son is, we wouldn't be where we are as a nation now.

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