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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed May 23, 2018, 11:31 AM May 2018

Naval Academy grads will respect the president's office but not necessarily the man

By Stephen Wrage
May 22 at 6:19 PM

Stephen Wrage is a professor in the political science department at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis. This piece reflects the author’s views and not those of the Navy or any other organization.

The day it was announced that President Trump would speak at the U.S. Naval Academy graduation, I received startling emails from several midshipmen, written to my private email account from their private accounts. One message said: “We are under no obligation to clap for Donald Trump. Trump wants the image of young service members cheering him on and we can deny him that image.” Another proposed an online petition on social media, pledging not to applaud Trump at commissioning. There were four more with similar themes: “We are taught selflessness; he practices narcissism.” “If he is a role model, it is only in the exact opposite.”

This sort of defiance was new to me, even after 25 years of teaching at the academy. Their complaints centered on the president’s character. After a series of exchanges, the mids agreed that no action should mar their commissioning on Friday, except insofar as Trump himself will mar it.

The mids found a better model in Defense Secretary Jim Mattis — a better model of a leader and a better way to conduct themselves. At Trump’s first full Cabinet meeting, when he went around the table demanding expressions of adulation, Mattis didn’t comply. The retired Marine Corps general performed what one mid admiringly called “the Mattis sidestep.” Mattis countered with respect for the people he leads: “Mr. President, it’s an honor to represent the men and women of the Department of Defense. We are grateful for the sacrifices our people are making in order to strengthen our military, so our diplomats always negotiate from a position of strength.” The mids will sidestep Trump. They will withhold the praise he wants but they will show no sign of disrespect.

Trump is needy, and military events such as the parade in Paris excite him. There are some mids who will be thrilled by him, and some parents from red states will be tempted to treat the ceremony like a rally, but most will sense how much the day means to their daughters and sons and will restrain themselves. Some faculty will want to turn their backs or walk out when Trump speaks, but most who would protest will just stay home.

There is no question, however, how the officers whom the midshipmen report to will behave: They will offer the quiet deference they owe to the office of the president. They speak with full academic freedom in their classrooms, but they maintain military decorum at a ceremony.

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Naval Academy grads will respect the president's office but not necessarily the man (Original Post) DonViejo May 2018 OP
But will they respect the electorate that put an irritable toddler in charge? Orsino May 2018 #1
Annapolis grads become officers and unlike enlisted ranks...... Brother Buzz May 2018 #5
The difference is not significant, unless we're dreaming of a military coup. Orsino May 2018 #7
Sad that we are at this point. California_Republic May 2018 #2
I'm sure he can find someone to praise him. malthaussen May 2018 #3
it would be fun to get into Trump's head Friday exboyfil May 2018 #4
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2018 #6
Unfortunately zipplewrath May 2018 #8

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
1. But will they respect the electorate that put an irritable toddler in charge?
Wed May 23, 2018, 11:36 AM
May 2018

Current grads began school in the fall of 2014, when this fake TV star was just a bad joke, and now they're having to swear to carry out his orders.

Brother Buzz

(36,415 posts)
5. Annapolis grads become officers and unlike enlisted ranks......
Wed May 23, 2018, 11:51 AM
May 2018

they DO NOT swear allegiance to the president.


Officer's oath:

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

Enlisted oath:

I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
7. The difference is not significant, unless we're dreaming of a military coup.
Wed May 23, 2018, 11:56 AM
May 2018

The business of the armed services is carrying out policy and orders, some of which are now issuing from the aforementioned irritable toddler. We did this to them, or failed to do enough to stop it.

malthaussen

(17,186 posts)
3. I'm sure he can find someone to praise him.
Wed May 23, 2018, 11:43 AM
May 2018

Human behavior being subject to the tyranny of the bell-curve, and all.

Other than that, of course they will act with decorum. One doesn't salute the man, he salutes the uniform. Or office, as may be.

-- Mal

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
4. it would be fun to get into Trump's head Friday
Wed May 23, 2018, 11:44 AM
May 2018

perhaps some high profile indictments?

He actually gave a fairly non-partisan speech to the Coast Guard Academy graduates last year. Will he be able to restrain himself this year? Chances are he will be doped up and reading a teleprompter with the enthusiasm of a dead carp. For a hacker to disable the teleprompter...

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