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Cyrano

(15,035 posts)
Wed May 23, 2018, 12:22 PM May 2018

The Constitution seems to be a suicide pact

A lawless madman in the White House, surrounded by sycophants, fucking up everything he touches.

A cabinet filled with thugs, destroying the departments they're in charge of.

A Republican Party in control of both houses of congress, refusing to stop the insanity.

And the rest of us sitting around, powerless, hoping to make it to Nov., and then win.

We're playing by the rules of the Constitution. They aren't

Is there a Plan B? Anyone?

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The Constitution seems to be a suicide pact (Original Post) Cyrano May 2018 OP
I don't feel as powerless as you. NCTraveler May 2018 #1
We are playing by the rules, they are not Iwasthere May 2018 #2
Unsupported bumper stickers don't double as wisdom. LanternWaste May 2018 #13
I don't do empty sloganeering. nt NCTraveler May 2018 #14
The government is only valid if those in it play by the rules. Oneironaut May 2018 #3
Good thing there isn't a Plan B... brooklynite May 2018 #4
"Is there a Plan B? Anyone?" - elections in 166 days. PoliticAverse May 2018 #5
I guess revolution el_bryanto May 2018 #6
If the elections are corrupted, there is no Plan B maxsolomon May 2018 #7
The only Plan B I can think of is unlikely but here goes. hedda_foil May 2018 #8
The Constitution is not and never has been a suicide pact peggysue2 May 2018 #9
+1 Uncle Joe May 2018 #11
This is about the size of it. kairos12 May 2018 #10
What about the second amendment? Victor_c3 May 2018 #12
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
13. Unsupported bumper stickers don't double as wisdom.
Wed May 23, 2018, 01:47 PM
May 2018

"Nice guys finish last..."

Unsupported bumper stickers don't double as wisdom.

Oneironaut

(5,492 posts)
3. The government is only valid if those in it play by the rules.
Wed May 23, 2018, 12:57 PM
May 2018

They’re not at the moment. Congress is supposed to stop a tyrant like Trump, but they’re complicit.

That means we need to vote them all out in 2018. We also need Democrats who will stand up to Trump.

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
4. Good thing there isn't a Plan B...
Wed May 23, 2018, 01:02 PM
May 2018

We're a Constitutional Republic. We follow the rules of the Constitution. If not, there's no reason to assume that our leaders will be protected by it when they're in office.

maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
7. If the elections are corrupted, there is no Plan B
Wed May 23, 2018, 01:18 PM
May 2018

Putin has exposed our Republic/Democracy as laughably vulnerable to Authoritarianism.

We depended on so many unwritten rules and norms. Trump flouted them all and won. Now he has the hammer, as they say in Curling.

I think flibberdigibbet Trumpist voters will tire of President Asshole approximately 1 week after his 2nd term starts, and by the end you won't find anyone who can remember voting for him once, let alone twice.

Barron will have grown into a strapping young man by then; maybe Trump can just dispense with Democracy and have him installed.

hedda_foil

(16,372 posts)
8. The only Plan B I can think of is unlikely but here goes.
Wed May 23, 2018, 01:19 PM
May 2018

Rosenstein approves Mueller's indicting Trump while he's the sitting president. Trump immediately appeals. Whatever the result, the case goes to the Supreme Court, which can consider it immediately if they wish (as I suppose they would). They would potentially have the power to decide whether or not a sitting president can be indicted.

It's somewhere between unlikely and extremely unlikely.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
9. The Constitution is not and never has been a suicide pact
Wed May 23, 2018, 01:26 PM
May 2018

It is and has been a life preserver for the Republic and its people. It is and has been a model for countries around the world. Yes, there are corrupt players attempting to shred the Constitution and end the Rule of Law.

They have not succeeded nor will they.

We are not powerless. We have our voices, our vote. We have the Rule of Law and the Constitution to gird and strengthen our purpose.

Resist doing the work of the corrupt and lawless. Despair and/or calls for 'other remedies' simply aid the Trumpists, the outlaws, the mobsters.

So, no. There is no Plan B. Because anything outside the Constitution and the Rule of Law would be self-defeating. We are a country of laws, not men. Once we discard that idea, we truly are on the road to perdition.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
12. What about the second amendment?
Wed May 23, 2018, 01:41 PM
May 2018

That’s the republican solution to a government they don’t like is....

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