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(32,751 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)nuff said
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)I just ignore the negativity "trolls", especially those who whine, "this is not possible because (insert boogeyman)".
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)you are talking about some here at du, NOT to read drivel..
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)negative comments like "i will hold my nose"
"she is weak"
"democrats are weak"
The more you hear that means OTHERS are hearing it the same way they heard MILLIONS of KGB tweets attacking you know who.
I want to shame those who are attacking the ONLY thing standing between us and ACTUAL FULL ON FASCISM.
Thanks again.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)It's subliminal and overt messaging that facilitates giving up, it seems.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)deliberately weakening the party.
sunRISEnow
(217 posts)isn't working. We need to stand strong. Take them head on. Horns to horns. 2018 and beyond is going to be messaging and combating the bots.
Winners:
DCCC
Medicaid expansion
Black Democrats
Losers:
The GOP mobilisation strategy
Our Revolution
Georgia Republicans
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210646327
marble falls
(57,063 posts)Getting a Democratic Congress is more important than all the divisive litmus testing of fellow Democrats going on.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)came from, who started it and why. We don't get to recreate the actual events that led us here. It is not divisive to stick up for Democrats and diffuse the attacks on our party. THAT is not divisive.
marble falls
(57,063 posts)I will always stick up for the Democratic Party's nominees, will you?
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)by those who wish to impose litmus tests. You can't have it both ways. If you think Democrats aren't good enough because they are not socialists, then that is a divisive litmus test.
If everyone stuck up for our Democratic nominee, we would not have Trump. You can't have it both ways. This actually explains why sticking up for our nominee is so important....
sunRISEnow
(217 posts)The loser is not the far left, anyway, but Our Revolution. For clarity.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)a new and divisive creation meant to deal with issues and not candidates, so they aren't actually part of our party by their own definition. It is not divisive to point out those facts about the individuals who use Democrats.
I was even referencing the Russian groups who exploited these divides that were created by outside forces. But you are exactly right about providing that clarity.
sunRISEnow
(217 posts)That is not a part of the Democratic Party. As open tent as we are, we do not jive to the tune of voting Republican for reasons .
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)what they dislike, or sometimes even hate, in themselves onto the party, race, nation they identify themselves with? Of course.
What's weaker than whining and complaining while stabbing resentfully at one's only hope? And trying to disguise weakness and whining with yelling, insulting, punching walls, even threatening other people physically doesn't fool anyone who's raised children.
AmandaRuth
(3,105 posts)Like every day I hear pundits scream THE DEMS HAVE NO MSG THE DEMS ARE WEAK, and (almost, when I have the stomach for it) everyday, I turn on cable news and see Dems getting talked over, or not on, or hosts acting thick and asking the ridiculous questions, and the next day, back to shouting. NO MSG, WEAK.
That's the right wing echo chamber, for sure. Wash rinse repeat. We don't have to add to it.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)Gothmog
(145,079 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,629 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)They are not weak! That is right wing bullshit!
brer cat
(24,546 posts)K&R
rtracey
(2,062 posts)Then tell that to Bill Maher
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)He plays both sides & likes it that way.
Cah ching $$
spicysista
(1,663 posts)A thousand times, this! Take your negativity about MY party, elsewhere! We're doing the thing. Constructive criticism is one thing, but all this so called "friendly fire" from the same corner over and over again is wearing thin.
Cha
(297,088 posts)"weak"?
mcar
(42,296 posts)Cha
(297,088 posts)bluestarone
(16,900 posts)We will overcome this bullshit!! REPUGS's want to give our country to Russia, and WE will stop them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
George II
(67,782 posts)Those who call the Democratic Party "weak" are only out to destroy it.
The Democratic Party is YOUR party, it's MY party, it's OUR party! Don't like it, do something positive to change it.
tavernier
(12,375 posts)There is one particular poster who just cant wait to assert his negativity in every post. He carefully avoids being called a troll by spouting a bit of bullshit to reaffirm his solidarity to Dems, but most of us have caught on.
It was fun at first, reading some of the dueling, but to be honest, it serves no purpose other than to sow discord.
So I agree, ER. Enough fun and games with trolls; lets toss them out so that we can concentrate on the positive.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)It serves no good purpose to attack our Democratic party with things that divide and weaken our party... with smears that create resentment and distrust.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)We know exactly what is going on here and it isn't helping. Not now, not then, not in a million years.
DinahMoeHum
(21,783 posts). . .in my neck of the woods, the Democratic Party has eaten the GOP alive in the elections
of November 2017 and a special election this April.
It has been a massive uproar in my county, with the GOP losing a 2-term county executive and being left with but 4 of the 17 seats in the county legislature. Also, my state senate district was gerrymandered since 2012 to favor GOP candidates - and they've lost to the Democrat every single time; the last one being a special election to replace the outgoing state senator who had just ousted a 2-term incumbent and one-time gubernatorial candidate to become the new county executive.
Thanks to fresh blood in the local Democratic party groups, plus the work of Indivisible chapters throughout the county, well, the Democrats in my area are definitely part of the blue wave.
NBachers
(17,098 posts)mcar
(42,296 posts)We don't have time for this shite. We need to GOTV and elect Democrats, not run them down.
FakeNoose
(32,617 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)mia
(8,360 posts)Thank you for saying this!
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)Initech
(100,059 posts)aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)Even if it means discussing our problems or weaknesses.
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aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)...OPs in GD. Reproducing jury results in OPs was a classic meta thread technique. No one had to reproduce jury results in order to discuss a topic on or about DU.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)should be discussed.
aikoaiko
(34,165 posts)Response to aikoaiko (Reply #35)
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mcar
(42,296 posts)And constantly saying unhelpful things like "Dems are weak," "Dems are wimps," "Dems always fold," etc. etc. These are the types of smears I see on this site on a regular basis.
Constructive criticism should be welcomed for all Dems, the party and those who align with it. But "Dems suck" is not a discussion of problems or weaknesses. I believe that is what Eliot is discussing in his OP.
ecstatic
(32,678 posts)I think they were going to cave on the meeting until the backlash, not just here but all over the web.
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sheshe2
(83,718 posts)betsuni
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)backtoblue
(11,343 posts)dalton99a
(81,432 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)Compared to the GOP, Dems have not been weakened all that much.
I'd rather decry the evil influence of private money than call the Dems weak, but I damn sure will call out those of our representatives who are swayed by big donors.
The right-wing echo chamber gives the GOP the illusion of strength, but their monolith is brittle and unable to respond to the concrete needs of voters. Dems are still willing to do work.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)But I don't buy into Democratic Party = American Flag type boosterism.
"My Party, far more often right than wrong" sure, but not "My Party, right or wrong."
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)And you are an official of my party?
That FUCKING Infuriates me.
Oops, just broke my own rule.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)I think it is weak when football players are forced to stand for the national anthem. Yet I consider myself patriotic.
I generally oppose high profile generic calls for displays of loyalty. I might have reacted differently had you posted something specific. For the purpose of illustration I'll make up an example. If you had posted "stop calling our party leaders weak for not embracing impeachment now" I would have instead given a rec to your OP.
mcar
(42,296 posts)Coinciding this time with Bash Pelosi Week. As predictable as rain.
BTW, love your sig line.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Criticism is WARRANTED. This is the party that LOST 1000 state seats, numerous state houses, etc. ALL UNDER OBAMA's watch. How is that not worthy of criticism?
To say nothing of the fact that numerous democrats just voted to allow banks to destroy the economy yet again. And others have voted for Trump's appointees for some stupid reason.
mcar
(42,296 posts)We see some of the former here but much more of the latter.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Where were they when Obama needed an army to support his policies as President.
It wasn't Dem leaders that dropped the ball in Obama's midterns.
It was the 'don't give a shit' lazy voters who took it all for granted, when the Party needed their votes.
Who left the Party vulnerable?
The lazy voters who stand here today & cannot look themselves in the mirror and admit THEY TOO HAD A ROLE IN THIS SHITSHOW.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)Here is my OP on that:
"We can find out who usually only votes in presidential years"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210596461
I was making the case for getting the answers to the question you ask, and then using it to target Democrats who usually only vote in Presidential years to get them out in November (after flushing out the Trumpsters among them).
Here is the resource link I posted in that OP:
https://publicrecords.onlinesearches.com/Voter-and-Elections-Information.htm
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)substance to back up the memes stil regurgitated from the 2016 million bot messaging service, we see here everyday.
These are the same lazy voters who themselves failed to arm Pres Obama in his final midterm election.
WHERE WERE THESE RAGING VOICES THEN.
DEM leaders can only be successful when given a supporting body to work with.
Lazy voters who didn't give a shit until today, dropped the ball.
Own it.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)Here is my latest post defending Nancy
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=2066291
Here is the OP I posted here in June 2017:
"Nancy Pelosi has been an extremely effective leader"
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029237169
I'm so tired of the constant round of posts bashing Pelosi. There's one on LBN right now.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)this garbage, attacking our party.
Problem is every time they say something negative it is heard by others.
Oh, did you see this?
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/23/midterms-putin-russia-meddling-606330
He would PAY to have people allegedly on the left BASHING the party, for FUCK SAKE STOP it !
mcar
(42,296 posts)It worked so well for him last time. And our R government is doing nothing to stop it.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)From my post above.
For all practical purposes there are only two consistently viable choices for voters; the Democratic Party or the Republican Party. In order for our democracy to function as it should it must be a participatory democracy. I chose to participate, and once I made that choice I understood that it takes work to keep any political party functioning. So I do grunt work for the Democratic Party. I choose to do at least my share, to help the party I affiliate with remain viable. Believe me, there is no glamor in being a committee member at a local level, just responsibilities and a lot of usually tedious tasks. Our committee organizes the local caucus where candidates for local offices are selected. I have run those caucuses in a fair and neutral manner, and honor the decisions made by the Democrats who attend.
Sometimes that means working on behalf of some local elected or nominated politicians that I am less than enthusiastic about. So be it, that's not unusual. But I of course reserve the right to withhold my personal efforts on behalf of anyone who I have extreme reservations about. In practice that has never happened. It was a no brainer for me to support Hillary for example once she had the nomination. The same is true on a local level. But I won't check my opinions at the door when I go to a Democratic meeting.
Demsrule86
(68,539 posts)mountain grammy
(26,613 posts)It's a lot of work, I know because I've often helped our local chair. She would prefer people leave their opinions at the door, but to her credit, is too smart to make that public. She's said it to me and I've advised her to let people speak. She does, and it's been a good thing, keeping all the support we picked up in 2016.
People have real issues with the influence of corporate money on political parties and candidates, and they should; it's the very root of all evil in American politics.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)I'm so tired of this "with us or against us" fucking BULLSHIT.
You are not the arbiter.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)And you are angry because i asked people not to call MY party WEAK?
THAT is what pisses you off?
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
Autumn
(45,037 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I hate whinging.
Autumn
(45,037 posts)up and sit down.
KPN
(15,642 posts)How about stop telling other Democrats to stop expressing their views.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)Last edited Thu May 24, 2018, 04:34 PM - Edit history (1)
then I assume that is a view you want me to encourage, that others SHOULD call the party weak?
You dont have to answer, I know what you think.
I will NEVER stop asking people at DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND to stop ATTACKING Democrats...
KPN
(15,642 posts)at DU to stop expressing their views. Theirs are as legit as yours.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)R B Garr
(16,950 posts)That's not what this is about. For instance, lots of people think ratf**king is legit, and then they blame others for what they purposefully brought about.
we can do it
(12,180 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)we can do it
(12,180 posts)progressoid
(49,964 posts)G_j
(40,366 posts)what can we call the 33 Dems who joined the Rs to overturn Obama bank reforms?