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Good point, David Hogg! (Original Post) Heartstrings May 2018 OP
K&R... spanone May 2018 #1
Right again, and simply to the point. This was also in Hillary's amazing platform btw. Wwcd May 2018 #2
I remember that. (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #31
Love it! He'll be president one day! nt ecstatic May 2018 #3
Bravo, David Hogg gademocrat7 May 2018 #4
K&R uponit7771 May 2018 #5
K&R demmiblue May 2018 #6
Yes! Politicub May 2018 #7
They'll raise the voting age before they raise the gun buying age IronLionZion May 2018 #8
To paraphrase Goldfinger: sandensea May 2018 #9
That was Auric Goldfinger, not Blofeld n/t VWolf May 2018 #22
Agreed, but just in case this is not well known...... alwaysinasnit May 2018 #10
That doesn't surprise me a bit. BigmanPigman May 2018 #11
Out of the mouths of babes Moral Compass May 2018 #12
K&R BootinUp May 2018 #13
So much on point. He's great. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2018 #14
Good point, for some. But you don't have to be a citizen to be drafted, I think. Honeycombe8 May 2018 #15
This is true. Or at least it was in the 60s. A relative of mine was drafted who was not a citizen. Tipperary May 2018 #17
As "Eve of Destruction" noted... malthaussen May 2018 #30
That's right! Great song. Some really good music back then. The voting age is 18, now, tho? Honeycombe8 May 2018 #38
Yep. But oddly, they changed that... malthaussen May 2018 #39
David Wants Young People to Cha May 2018 #16
K&R! nt Mountain Mule May 2018 #18
You bet! cp May 2018 #19
Well, it's a pithy sentiment, but the Feds don't have anything to do with voter registration, scarletwoman May 2018 #20
You'd think it would be easier then ck4829 May 2018 #25
Being logical tazmaniac May 2018 #21
I hope this young man ends up running for office some day. Upthevibe May 2018 #23
K&R ck4829 May 2018 #24
US voter turnout TimeSnowDemos May 2018 #26
Excellent observation and suggestion. I totally agree. The problem is.... usaf-vet May 2018 #27
Draft registration for men is required, not automatic. sl8 May 2018 #28
Years ago there was a story about an ice cream restaurant chain that got caught selling names... Hassin Bin Sober May 2018 #32
Wow, that's interesting. Thanks. n/t sl8 May 2018 #35
Snopes goes in to more detail Hassin Bin Sober May 2018 #36
Comscription is involuntary. malthaussen May 2018 #29
K & R SunSeeker May 2018 #33
"Automatic Registration in the United States: the Selective Service Example" sl8 May 2018 #34
hmmmm LiberalLovinLug May 2018 #37
 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
2. Right again, and simply to the point. This was also in Hillary's amazing platform btw.
Thu May 24, 2018, 02:01 PM
May 2018

This is smart & simple.

Too bad so many missed her call for exactly this.
David Hogg is a smart & fair minded young man.
Always.

IronLionZion

(45,423 posts)
8. They'll raise the voting age before they raise the gun buying age
Thu May 24, 2018, 03:10 PM
May 2018

and they will find other creative ways to suppress the youth vote for being too damn liberal and way too diverse.

Young people these days...

sandensea

(21,621 posts)
9. To paraphrase Goldfinger:
Thu May 24, 2018, 03:14 PM
May 2018

Last edited Thu May 24, 2018, 11:54 PM - Edit history (1)

They don't want you to vote, Mr. Hogg; they want you to die.

alwaysinasnit

(5,063 posts)
10. Agreed, but just in case this is not well known......
Thu May 24, 2018, 03:27 PM
May 2018

Legal permanent residents (green card holders) have also been drafted. They are still required to register with Selective Service if they are between the ages of 18 to 26. They have been required to put their lives on the line for this country (and would continue to be required to serve in any future draft) but are not allowed to vote. Go figure.

BigmanPigman

(51,584 posts)
11. That doesn't surprise me a bit.
Thu May 24, 2018, 03:31 PM
May 2018

This country sure is twisted and illogical. Even 18 years old can see it now.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
15. Good point, for some. But you don't have to be a citizen to be drafted, I think.
Thu May 24, 2018, 04:57 PM
May 2018

So...not everyone drafted can vote.

Hmmm. That doesn't seem right.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
17. This is true. Or at least it was in the 60s. A relative of mine was drafted who was not a citizen.
Thu May 24, 2018, 05:08 PM
May 2018

He chose to serve and became a citizen later.

malthaussen

(17,184 posts)
30. As "Eve of Destruction" noted...
Fri May 25, 2018, 10:23 AM
May 2018

... back when the voting age was 21, "You're old enough to kill, but not for voting."

-- Mal

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
38. That's right! Great song. Some really good music back then. The voting age is 18, now, tho?
Fri May 25, 2018, 06:02 PM
May 2018

Isn't the voting age 18, now?

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
20. Well, it's a pithy sentiment, but the Feds don't have anything to do with voter registration,
Thu May 24, 2018, 08:22 PM
May 2018

that's strictly the function of state governments.

Not that I don't absolutely love David Hogg to pieces - however, this particular well-intentioned statement isn't grounded in reality.

 

TimeSnowDemos

(476 posts)
26. US voter turnout
Fri May 25, 2018, 08:07 AM
May 2018

Is abysmally low.

In fact it was ranked 120th in the world a few years back.

Midterms often see only 1/3 voters bothering to show up.

I'm allllll for automatic voter registration, but it'll matter very little if voter turnout remains as low as it is now, and if gerrymandering is the law of the land, and if 10s of millions of minorities are disenfranchised, etc.

usaf-vet

(6,178 posts)
27. Excellent observation and suggestion. I totally agree. The problem is....
Fri May 25, 2018, 09:52 AM
May 2018

We don't have a draft. IMO we should! It would give EVERY family a vested interest in warmongering government officials.

IMO we never would have invade Iraq if we had a draft. The streets would have been packed with protesting moms, dads, sister, brothers, aunts, uncles and grandparents from all walks of life.

They want you to register for the draft to keep track of you. And so that it can be used as a punitive tool.

THEY DON'T want everyone to vote.

sl8

(13,730 posts)
28. Draft registration for men is required, not automatic.
Fri May 25, 2018, 10:06 AM
May 2018

As already mentioned, the draft is Federal, while voter registration is State.

Do the Feds mail some sort of notice to 18 year old men?

On edit:
Some states have linked draft registration with application for driver's licenses, ID, etc..

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,324 posts)
32. Years ago there was a story about an ice cream restaurant chain that got caught selling names...
Fri May 25, 2018, 12:26 PM
May 2018

... to Selective Service.

The restaurant chain, Farrell’s, would offer free ice cream to “birthday club” members. They got busted when a kid signed up using a fake name in order to get more free ice cream. The kid got two “reminder notices” - one in his fake name and one in his real name.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farrell%27s_Ice_Cream_Parlour

In 1983, the Selective Service purchased Farrell's "Birthday Club" data and mailed warnings to young men telling them to register for the draft before their 18th birthday. Farrell's blamed the situation on an unauthorized sale by a list broker, and the government announced they would stop using the list.[17]

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,324 posts)
36. Snopes goes in to more detail
Fri May 25, 2018, 01:09 PM
May 2018
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/draft-noticed/

STATUS: TRUE.

ORIGINS: In 1984, a Palo Alto, California, family received a Selective Services reminder that it was almost time for Johnny Klomberg to register for the draft. Problem was, there was no Johnny Klomberg living at that address. Or anywhere else. He was purely the fictional invention of the two boys who did live there, Eric and Greg Hentzel.

To remind 18-year-olds to register with the Selective Service, that agency had been tracking down young men through commercial mailing lists. They got caught out at this practice when they sent such an invitation to a fictional kid who’d been dreamed up by a couple of young Dillingers whose dad was an
ex-Serviceman, a lawyer, and not amused.

He didn’t think it right that a kids’ “free ice cream” list should be turned into a Selective Service name harvesting opportunity.

malthaussen

(17,184 posts)
29. Comscription is involuntary.
Fri May 25, 2018, 10:21 AM
May 2018

It is also Federal. Voter registration is voluntary, and done by state.

The capability may exist, but the two processes are not comparable.

-- Mal

sl8

(13,730 posts)
34. "Automatic Registration in the United States: the Selective Service Example"
Fri May 25, 2018, 01:03 PM
May 2018

Interesting piece by Laura Seago, at the Brennan Center, about how how voter registration might be improved by taking lessons from the Selective Service.

...

The Selective Service’s technologically advanced registration system may provide a useful model for
those who would like to modernize our voter registration system. The Selective Service’s experience
shows that automatic voter registration is feasible. It also shows that the government agencies that
could help expand and improve our voter rolls already have the necessary infrastructure, technology,
and experience to do so.

It is not surprising that the Selective Service has deployed technology and other resources to identify
and automatically register young men for the draft; the government has an obvious, central interest in
its ability to mobilize an expanded military in time of crisis. The ability to participate in the electoral
process is surely just as central to democracy. It is disconcerting that the government has not availed
itself of the same technology and commitment to improve our voter registration system. The
government has shown it can effectively and automatically register eligible men for the draft. It
should now use the same tools to automatically register eligible citizens to vote.

...



Link to pdf:
https://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/publications/selective%2520service.color.FINAL.pdf
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