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Eko

(7,281 posts)
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:38 PM May 2018

True Colors: Bernie Sanders, Our Revolution, and the Racist Left

There it is.

After living comfortably in the shadows for 16 months, "progressive" organization Our Revolution finally had its curtain pulled back on Monday and what was behind the curtain was not pretty. According to a Politico article, Our Revolution is exactly as many of perceived it to be: a petty, vindictive organization, built on self-interests and egos, and pretending to be supporting Democratic candidates but actually having a secretive and selective process that nobody except the top brass care to understand. In short, the organization closely mirrors the campaign of Bernie Sanders, a campaign supposedly driven by progressive values but actually driven by greed and a lust for power. Overall, the findings from the article read like a laundry list of how not to create a revolution:


None of this should be a surprise for those of us who have been paying attention. To begin with, it was often assumed that Our Revolution president, Nina Turner had higher political aspirations, seeing as how her only previous run for statewide office resulted in a massive 25-point loss for Ohio Secretary of State in 2014. Since the early days of Bernie Sanders' campaign in 2015, Democratic Party officials wondered why someone with such a poor track record would take on such a prominent campaign role. The answer, as it turns out, was for Turner to use the campaign and then to use her role at Our Revolution to raise her own national profile and to use that profile to lift up her friends. According to the article, one of the main reasons Our Revolution endorsed frequent Fox News contributor Dennis Kucinich for governor of Ohio was that Kucinich's running mate Tara Samples was a close friend of Turner. This would explain why a supposed "progressive" group would endorse someone with such a horrific record as Dennis Kucinich.


Here is the link http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2018/5/22/true-colors-bernie-sanders-our-revolution-and-the-racist-left

Now, before you serve on a jury and vote this out, you should consider another recent article and the words from his campaign.

According to campaign spokesperson Arianna Jones, Sanders plans to seek the Democratic nomination in Vermont’s August primary. If he wins, she said, he would “respectfully” decline the nomination and run as an independent in the general election. Sanders would, however, accept the endorsement of the Vermont Democratic Party.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/05/21/bernie-sanders-is-still-borrowing-the-democratic-party/?utm_term=.ff1c92d8628c

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True Colors: Bernie Sanders, Our Revolution, and the Racist Left (Original Post) Eko May 2018 OP
And... sheshe2 May 2018 #1
Wow! Cha May 2018 #9
I knew it all along. So easy to see. Nobody needed to tell me. But... NurseJackie May 2018 #92
Yep. ucrdem May 2018 #2
And then he grins? sheshe2 May 2018 #5
Things got really nasty here just before the primary. ucrdem May 2018 #17
That makes me want to cry. sheshe2 May 2018 #20
I remember that. The treats of physical violence, name calling. That is not protest. nt Blue_true May 2018 #59
Yes, that picture absolutely haunted me. LisaM May 2018 #133
Don't forget the threatening intimidation (which failed) of Dolores Huerta in Nevada..... George II May 2018 #10
Dolores Huerta & Barbara Boxer are tiny older women, both minorities... Hekate May 2018 #119
Yes. There was a lot of that. As Trump stalked Clinton on stage. A theme. sunRISEnow May 2018 #120
Yes mcar May 2018 #3
True colors. sheshe2 May 2018 #4
There it is. Plain as day. I'm not overlooking it. NurseJackie May 2018 #93
MANY will overlook this the same way they overlook no tax returns or refusing to put sanctions on Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #101
So Nina Turner is a racist? Is that how this goes? Hassin Bin Sober May 2018 #6
Seemed to have missed where the article said that. Eko May 2018 #12
Didn't you know..... George II May 2018 #16
Standing by and doing nothing makes one as much a part of the problem Tarc May 2018 #75
Did anyone say that or even hint that? George II May 2018 #13
No one said that. sheshe2 May 2018 #21
The article said that where? sheshe2 May 2018 #30
Your sig is mys.... sheshe2 May 2018 #40
Thank you for posting this Gothmog May 2018 #51
Me too! sheshe2 May 2018 #95
+1000 (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #67
:) sheshe2 May 2018 #96
Classic strawman. You are upset about the article content, so you try to misrepresent ehrnst May 2018 #65
+1 betsuni May 2018 #69
I have read she is anti-Latina. And consider she hired Tezlyn Figaro who supports Demsrule86 May 2018 #71
You make a blatantly false comment about someone calling Nina Turner a racist.... George II May 2018 #124
What is 'the peoples view?' leftstreet May 2018 #7
A click on the link will probably answer your question. George II May 2018 #14
Not really leftstreet May 2018 #18
Yeah, don't bother. Hassin Bin Sober May 2018 #23
I too never bother to read anything that doesn't validate my biases. LanternWaste May 2018 #98
I don't bother reading anything that is not solidly credible DBoon May 2018 #102
There are two links in the OP, one from the Washington Post. What are your criteria... George II May 2018 #125
Posting empty snark twice doesn't make it smart or insightful. QC May 2018 #109
. Hassin Bin Sober May 2018 #145
It appears to be Eko May 2018 #15
IF you do a "site search" you will find that, at one point, this blog was mercilessly derided and m-lekktor May 2018 #29
Oh LOL leftstreet May 2018 #31
I remember too. Hassin Bin Sober May 2018 #33
And They are still at it. The double-down Crowd that blames LarryNM May 2018 #38
Hmmm sheshe2 May 2018 #43
What is a 'brick' post? (nt) muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #76
It was something that somone suggested Hillary do to herself... sheshe2 May 2018 #127
Here... SidDithers May 2018 #129
Thanks for posting that Sid. sheshe2 May 2018 #156
what is a brick post? (queuing up behind Muriel, lol) Exotica May 2018 #121
How about the Washington Post? George II May 2018 #126
Figures! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #135
The Peehole Spew. n/t QC May 2018 #144
The owner of that site was banned from DU, twice. n/t demmiblue May 2018 #63
A lauded (by some) writer was let go twice. sheshe2 May 2018 #130
It's the blog of a twice-banned (at least) former DUer. n/t QC May 2018 #107
Feel the Bern Crutchez_CuiBono May 2018 #8
Not. Cha May 2018 #42
Bernie is a scold -- but he never scolds or calls to account those who fight in his name. Hekate May 2018 #11
Funny thing, that. EffieBlack May 2018 #66
It took him a day to "scold" Dr. Song for his "whore" comment, even though he could have done it.... George II May 2018 #123
Say what!? sheshe2 May 2018 #132
Of course not. His "revolution" focuses first and foremost on Hortensis May 2018 #128
Here's another resignation from OR today.. Cha May 2018 #19
Only the best for Bernie ProudLib72 May 2018 #39
Outfit, like in Mob. nt Blue_true May 2018 #60
The Rump administration ProudLib72 May 2018 #118
So, a hit piece based on a hit piece. OnyxSharpie May 2018 #22
Yep. Edward Issac Dovere over at Politico has a crush on Nina Sanders Hassin Bin Sober May 2018 #25
Isn't it his job to write? I know when I was an engineer I engineered, which was my job... George II May 2018 #27
How do you come to that conclusion? As far as I can see no vitriol in that. George II May 2018 #26
Exactly.. they are graspping, disillusioned73 May 2018 #62
Nina Turner is "grasping". Cha May 2018 #74
She's doing just fine.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #85
She is completely incompetent. She hire a person who supported Trump's immigration policies Demsrule86 May 2018 #88
Glass houses ;) disillusioned73 May 2018 #90
LOL, that's called not being held hostage anymore. R B Garr May 2018 #97
I don't understand how this is relevant. A supposed progressive organization hired a Trumper and a Demsrule86 May 2018 #106
That's the crux of the matter. THEY DON'T TAKE ON THE GOP. LisaM May 2018 #136
But a vote for Jill Stein was a vote for Jill Stein. Wolf Frankula May 2018 #142
Oh yes, and her well-articulated platform of what she was going to do! LisaM May 2018 #146
I agree completely. Thanks! I dislike Cynthia Nixon and consider her an attention seeker. Demsrule86 May 2018 #157
The Democratic women winning have nothing to do with OR. Turner doesn't get credit for the wins. sunRISEnow May 2018 #91
No, Nina Turner is "grasping".. Cha May 2018 #147
What I see happening on the ground is Democrats WINNING elections. sheshe2 May 2018 #138
Interesting read. brer cat May 2018 #24
It seems like it is all falling apart 4now May 2018 #28
I seem to recall either a song or movie decades ago that said, effectively..... George II May 2018 #32
President Obama had a Cha May 2018 #44
I miss having a real POTUS Gothmog May 2018 #49
Yes! And, Flotus.. Cha May 2018 #55
Such a bright light in our White House. sheshe2 May 2018 #139
Yes, exactly, she.. the Cha May 2018 #148
I love and miss them both. sheshe2 May 2018 #150
Good to know they're out there doing Good Works like they always do.. Cha May 2018 #152
I think we had progressive evolution, rather then revolution with Pres Obama. LanternWaste May 2018 #99
"progressive evolution". The true progressive. sunRISEnow May 2018 #100
I dont understand, I thought we ALL Agreed rump is a nazi, America is under attack Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #103
It certainly is. Just a little vetting and it all R B Garr May 2018 #47
Yet I got shot down everytime I tried to warn people nini May 2018 #34
Well, Eko May 2018 #35
if you insist nini May 2018 #36
You knew, nini! Cha May 2018 #41
Did anyone bother to google the author? .99center May 2018 #37
So where is the link you googled? sheshe2 May 2018 #46
I think he's talking about a set up ismnotwasm May 2018 #50
I agree, it was rediculous. .99center May 2018 #54
Serious damage? Nt NCTraveler May 2018 #57
His name is Trevor LaFauci. .99center May 2018 #52
Fuck Project Veritas and O'Keefe. MrsCoffee May 2018 #77
Do you also remember the lawsuits against O'Keefe? .99center May 2018 #112
K&R Gothmog May 2018 #45
The local Our Revolution group attacked an Asian candidate Gothmog May 2018 #48
K & R SunSeeker May 2018 #53
I for one am pleased to see this coming to the surface. Divisive from the (top..sanders) down Thekaspervote May 2018 #56
No vetting please. NCTraveler May 2018 #58
As a potential front runner, the spotlight now gets shined on him. Blue_true May 2018 #61
Author of this piece has been bashing Bernie Sanders since 2016 oberliner May 2018 #64
Anointed, coronated, crowned, cult, cheerleading, echo chamber, blind loyalty, hubris, hive mind, betsuni May 2018 #68
Brava betsuni! It's right Cha May 2018 #70
Heh! betsuni May 2018 #72
So much this! sheshe2 May 2018 #140
Let's see: May 2018, April 2016. Yeah, he devotes his career to doing so. George II May 2018 #86
Exactly right... you beat me to it. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #137
DU rec... SidDithers May 2018 #73
Lol nt BootinUp May 2018 #134
"campaign supposedly driven by progressive values but actually driven by greed and a lust for power" Tom Rinaldo May 2018 #78
Not to mention the author's past history of trashing Bernie oberliner May 2018 #79
Thank you for that post Martin Eden May 2018 #143
I agree with some of what you have stated. Eko May 2018 #151
Thank you for replying Tom Rinaldo May 2018 #154
Thanks, Eko May 2018 #155
Oh Trevor LaFauci -- not a surprising blog piece from Trevor. aikoaiko May 2018 #80
Yeah, can't seem to find anything about it anywhere else.... kcr May 2018 #81
Opinion pieces about opinion pieces... aikoaiko May 2018 #82
Ok kcr May 2018 #84
Actually I don't think OR is thriving aikoaiko May 2018 #87
OR digging up the political corpse of Dennis Kuchinich and passing him off as a viable candidate Blue_Tires May 2018 #83
OMG! NurseJackie May 2018 #94
+ 1000 THIS Wwcd May 2018 #108
Donuts To Them Me. May 2018 #153
The reaction to BLM in Seattle was a red flag for me MrScorpio May 2018 #89
Lots of red flags but you need to have a predisposition to certain ideals to see them Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #104
That was the definitive turning point for me. n/t OneGrassRoot May 2018 #131
Seems like a political hit job hit piece mikeysnot May 2018 #105
Oh please. They have a massive political hit job of their own & have been running on that since Wwcd May 2018 #110
After two years of history with OR, the Democratic Party and base can reject this Organization. sunRISEnow May 2018 #111
Agree. OR has never been who they claim to be. Wwcd May 2018 #113
And advocate voting Republican, Independent, green or whomever, if they choose. sunRISEnow May 2018 #115
Yup. Its been clear for sometime. Wwcd May 2018 #116
Yes. A strong message for the next couple years. sunRISEnow May 2018 #117
K & R Eko. Thank you for openly bringing the truth we all see, to DU. Finally. Wwcd May 2018 #114
Scott Walker says TheRealNorth May 2018 #122
K&R betsuni May 2018 #141
Thank You Eko Me. May 2018 #149

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
92. I knew it all along. So easy to see. Nobody needed to tell me. But...
Fri May 25, 2018, 11:17 AM
May 2018

... I'm glad that someone took the time to spell it out so clearly.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
2. Yep.
Thu May 24, 2018, 10:51 PM
May 2018

What happened here in Cali and in Nevada was shocking. But what was even more disturbing was Sanders' response when asked about the incidents at LACC and Las Vegas. Basically he grinned and said they have a right to protest.



How much do you have to hate an organization to not give a sh#t about what happened to Barbara Boxer for example? She's a short woman and was seriously threatened by an out-of-control mob for doing what she was elected to do.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
17. Things got really nasty here just before the primary.
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:08 PM
May 2018

Sanders had already lost, wasn't going to win California and it wouldn't have any difference if he had, but the "campaign" kept up the attacks wherever there were cameras. Here's LACC for example, a big community college in an older part of town:



There's one photo I'll never forget which is of Latina woman in a wheelchair trying to get past a gigantic BB barking at her with a bullhorn and looking as mean and hateful as a human can look. Because she was trying to get in to hear Hillary!

It was really, really bad.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
20. That makes me want to cry.
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:20 PM
May 2018

How can any one human being do this to another. No matter what your politics are, how can you so disrespect another human being...especially if you call yourself a Democrat.

LisaM

(27,803 posts)
133. Yes, that picture absolutely haunted me.
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:04 PM
May 2018

I saw Hillary briefly a few months ago when she was in town to pitch her book. My friend who got the tickets was disabled. The books were pre-signed, and Hillary was sitting at a table basically to say hi to everyone. Since I came in with the disabled people, I was able to see how Hillary interacted with them. As you can imagine, most of them depend greatly on agencies most of us know nothing about, but that was not the case with Hillary. She was extremely well-versed on the subject, knew about a lot of the agencies and their counterparts, and did not rush a single person along. She wanted to hear their stories. I never saw anything like it.

I'm not normally into what I have heard termed the "callout culture" but the people who harassed that poor woman should be flagged down.

George II

(67,782 posts)
10. Don't forget the threatening intimidation (which failed) of Dolores Huerta in Nevada.....
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:05 PM
May 2018

With the lack of respect shown to her, there probably is some truth to the narratives of Catalina Velasquez and Lucy Flores, who recently resigned from Our Revolution.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
119. Dolores Huerta & Barbara Boxer are tiny older women, both minorities...
Fri May 25, 2018, 03:05 PM
May 2018

Each in her own way has given a lifetime to social justice and the Democratic Party. They are firey women -- but tiny, and now older.

They were egregiously disrespected by the young white males filling the ranks of the Sanders campaign. Bullied, physically intimidated, shouted down.

Our Revolution and Sanders need to recognize what's wrong with this picture before they gain the respect of Democrats.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
93. There it is. Plain as day. I'm not overlooking it.
Fri May 25, 2018, 11:24 AM
May 2018

This whole thing reveals MUCH, and I have to say, the picture I'm seeing is NOT a very flattering one. (Of course this is absolutely no surprise to me. I'm just glad that the truth is finally out.)

It's amusing to read the excuse-making and deflections and various other efforts at subject-changing and lame rationalizations.

All I'm trying to say is that many observant people have know this all along and we're glad to be vindicated after having to put up with the insults and smears and other forms of online retribution and revenge. It's good to be heard.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
101. MANY will overlook this the same way they overlook no tax returns or refusing to put sanctions on
Fri May 25, 2018, 12:38 PM
May 2018

KGB.

Hell, I would settle, at the moment, just to discuss what is REALLY happening.

Eko

(7,281 posts)
12. Seemed to have missed where the article said that.
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:06 PM
May 2018

From what I read it more pushed that she was power hungry and would overlook racism to increase her power. Can you expound on your question?

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
75. Standing by and doing nothing makes one as much a part of the problem
Fri May 25, 2018, 08:54 AM
May 2018

as the ones espousing racism.

Glad you learned something today.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
65. Classic strawman. You are upset about the article content, so you try to misrepresent
Fri May 25, 2018, 07:42 AM
May 2018

as being racist. That's how it goes.

If you are upset at the article, just own it. Don't try to justify your discomfort as "opposing racism."

Being a hater doesn't do one any favors.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
71. I have read she is anti-Latina. And consider she hired Tezlyn Figaro who supports
Fri May 25, 2018, 08:21 AM
May 2018

Trumps's immigration policies and is a Fox commentator.

George II

(67,782 posts)
124. You make a blatantly false comment about someone calling Nina Turner a racist....
Fri May 25, 2018, 04:46 PM
May 2018

....and don't explain your comment?

leftstreet

(36,106 posts)
18. Not really
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:10 PM
May 2018

The 'about' page there says very little

There's something familiar about it, but I can't recall

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
98. I too never bother to read anything that doesn't validate my biases.
Fri May 25, 2018, 11:40 AM
May 2018

I too never bother to read anything that doesn't validate my biases.

DBoon

(22,356 posts)
102. I don't bother reading anything that is not solidly credible
Fri May 25, 2018, 12:38 PM
May 2018

peoples view does not fit the category of "demonstrably credible"

I will assume this is a smear against the Sanders campaign and his supporters until a more credible source is provided

George II

(67,782 posts)
125. There are two links in the OP, one from the Washington Post. What are your criteria...
Fri May 25, 2018, 04:49 PM
May 2018

...for "demonstrably credible"?

QC

(26,371 posts)
109. Posting empty snark twice doesn't make it smart or insightful.
Fri May 25, 2018, 01:09 PM
May 2018

Posting empty snark twice doesn't make it smart or insightful.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
29. IF you do a "site search" you will find that, at one point, this blog was mercilessly derided and
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:42 PM
May 2018

mocked. There is one person who did nothing but start threads and post links to this blog and the opinion pieces were usually off the deep end ridiculous. a few people here at that time seemed to know the owner of the blog and had much to say about him, I forget the details. Just do a sitesearch on the people's view and you should find some lively discussion if you are seriously that interested.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
43. Hmmm
Fri May 25, 2018, 12:44 AM
May 2018
m-lekktor
29. IF you do a "site search" you will find that, at one point, this blog was mercilessly derided and

mocked.


Well on this site I saw Hill called the C word and another poster did a 'brick' post. Did you 'mercilly' deride them? The brick post was left to stand. Just do a site search.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
129. Here...
Fri May 25, 2018, 04:55 PM
May 2018
https://www.democraticunderground.com/12511459520

I can't say I've ever had an enemy in my life, but I do now. So thank you for that, Mrs. Clinton. From the bottom of my heart, thank you for letting me know just what a heartless human being you are, and how little you think of our country and of my daughter's future. Madam Secretary, from my daughter and fiance and myself, with sincerity, kindly go fuck yourself with a brick.


That post was allowed to stand.

Jurors - please note that I'm answering a question asked by the previous poster. I'm linking to the DU post for information purposes. The excerpt posted are the words of the poster from the link, they are not my words.I absolutely do not share the views of the poster who made those comments.

Sid

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
156. Thanks for posting that Sid.
Fri May 25, 2018, 10:05 PM
May 2018

One of the most disgusting posts I have ever read on DU and 143 people recommended that thread.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
130. A lauded (by some) writer was let go twice.
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:01 PM
May 2018

Yet people post his articles all the time. His name evades me at the moment, but I do remember he called President Obama a POSUS.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
11. Bernie is a scold -- but he never scolds or calls to account those who fight in his name.
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:06 PM
May 2018
Some examples given in this thread...

George II

(67,782 posts)
123. It took him a day to "scold" Dr. Song for his "whore" comment, even though he could have done it....
Fri May 25, 2018, 04:43 PM
May 2018

....just moments after the comment was made when he appeared on the podium after Dr. Song.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
128. Of course not. His "revolution" focuses first and foremost on
Fri May 25, 2018, 04:55 PM
May 2018

taking over the Democratic Party, not the issues being used as excuses for that, a negative, power-seeking goal for which conservative soldiers are as useful as left-wing dissenters. Resentful populists from both sides who are eager to set something on fire don't really care all that much which party goes down, as we see all too often in false-equalization comments from resentful populist types right here.

By its nature, BLM also includes people from across the political spectrum, and in addition to mostly good-natured, well meaning people from the left and right mainstream, also draws some POC who are naturally hard-core conservatives or from the far, dissident left.

So absolutely no surprise that both groups are occasionally embarrassed by unacceptable behaviors by some members. I haven't paid Nina Turner or a couple of the women associated with the DC chapter of the women's marches enough attention to know which "side" of the spectrum, or political U, they might be better categorized in, only that their divisive, troublemaking behaviors could conceivably come from either extreme. Dissident left wingers often become very hostile and aggressive toward those who don't fall in behind them ideologically, and when POC are the targets they can easily be assumed to be driven by mostly racist instead of ideological passions.

Btw, Sanders seems to have been attacking Democrats less and supporting more lately.
No one should trust that to continue, of course, but for now it should be recognized and I'm happy to appreciate it. We need more support, less opposition, for a one-front war against the right.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
19. Here's another resignation from OR today..
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:19 PM
May 2018
Second top official resigns from Bernie Sanders group

snip//

A co-vice chair of Our Revolution who accused the group of insensitivity toward Latinos parts ways in the wake of a POLITICO report.

The decision by Catalina Velasquez, an undocumented immigrant and transgender activist who was co-vice chair of the Bernie Sanders-inspired organization, came during a week of reverberations in the wake of a POLITICO report detailing widespread problems within the group.

A number of people have complained about inattention by the group to Latino and immigrant issues. Others have cited open hostility by a woman whom Our Revolution President Nina Turner had tried to make her chief of staff.

“For the past month, we have been fighting divisive narratives targeting immigrants and pinning us against other oppressed peoples,” wrote Velasquez in a letter she posted on Twitter. “I have faced this with little to no support from the organizational leadership.”

More..
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/24/our-revolution-bernie-sanders-staff-changes-607330

Mahalo, Eko
 

OnyxSharpie

(33 posts)
22. So, a hit piece based on a hit piece.
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:24 PM
May 2018

“Living comfortably in the shadows...” More vitriolic tripe.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,325 posts)
25. Yep. Edward Issac Dovere over at Politico has a crush on Nina Sanders
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:33 PM
May 2018

Now the third and fourth string is going to act oh so concerned.

4 stories by Dovere in 4 days. Lol.

Round up the usual suspects


George II

(67,782 posts)
27. Isn't it his job to write? I know when I was an engineer I engineered, which was my job...
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:35 PM
May 2018

So what's the problem?

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
62. Exactly.. they are graspping,
Fri May 25, 2018, 07:27 AM
May 2018

it does say a lot though about what is happening on the ground in 2018 and going forward..

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
85. She's doing just fine..
Fri May 25, 2018, 10:16 AM
May 2018

progressive females around the country are getting it done - the haters on the other hand.. not so much

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
88. She is completely incompetent. She hire a person who supported Trump's immigration policies
Fri May 25, 2018, 10:44 AM
May 2018

and is a regular on Fox. She does not have a transparent process by which she endorse candidates and often endorses her friends...she has lost every primary she meddled in...she hates Democrats. Giving money to this organization is a complete waste of time...she hates Democrats and has announced that she would support Republicans...decent folk at OR have resigned en masse under her 'leadership' or wha whatever you call it.

 

disillusioned73

(2,872 posts)
90. Glass houses ;)
Fri May 25, 2018, 11:07 AM
May 2018

[link:https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/24/tom-perez-andrew-cuomo-primary-endorsements-607799|

Disarray, huh? I give money to candidates directly at this point..

"In March, when asked on C-SPAN about backing candidates in House primaries, Perez said the DNC should not endorse, as the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee had started doing.

“One thing we’ve learned at the DNC is that when you, in fact or in perception, are trying to put the thumb on the scale in a spirited primary, that can undermine public confidence in us,” Perez said."

"Ellison was not on board with the decision. He was not told in advance about Perez’s decision to endorse Cuomo, a person familiar with the matter said."

R B Garr

(16,950 posts)
97. LOL, that's called not being held hostage anymore.
Fri May 25, 2018, 11:37 AM
May 2018

It's about time. New York is a liberal/blue state, so endorsing a liberal Democrat is a good thing. It's always a good thing.

Isn't this great!
"Perez rattled off Cuomo’s record of progressive accomplishments, from passing a $15 minimum wage to legalizing gay marriage and paid family leave."

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
106. I don't understand how this is relevant. A supposed progressive organization hired a Trumper and a
Fri May 25, 2018, 12:48 PM
May 2018

a bigot who appeared on Fox multiple times. She was apparently a personal friend of Ms. Turner. OR has done nothing but cause trouble...and have won exactly nothing. They don't take on the GOP but mostly go for Democratic incumbents. As for giving to individuals...keep in mind those candidates can do nothing without other Democrats winning...so don't blame the DNC if you choose to starve it for whatever ever reasons you may have if we don't take the House. It takes money to run campaigns. And the most liberal perfect wonderful candidate can do nothing without fellow Dems winning in the House. Oh and just so you know...All the hullabaloo created by OR came to naught in Texas where Lizzie Fletcher won and Laura Moser OR's pick lost.

LisaM

(27,803 posts)
136. That's the crux of the matter. THEY DON'T TAKE ON THE GOP.
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:10 PM
May 2018

Same with Jill Stein, who ran to take votes away from Hillary, and did not run against Trump. Same with Nader. And the list just goes on and on.

If Cynthia Nixon is so concerned about transit in NYC, she should run for a city office.

LisaM

(27,803 posts)
146. Oh yes, and her well-articulated platform of what she was going to do!
Fri May 25, 2018, 06:41 PM
May 2018

I guess that just slipped my mind......

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
157. I agree completely. Thanks! I dislike Cynthia Nixon and consider her an attention seeker.
Sat May 26, 2018, 06:49 AM
May 2018

If she won somehow, we would lose the governorship. I don't live in New York but if I did I wouldn't vote for her for anything. She should have run for a city office like you said.

 

sunRISEnow

(217 posts)
91. The Democratic women winning have nothing to do with OR. Turner doesn't get credit for the wins.
Fri May 25, 2018, 11:09 AM
May 2018

Turner candidates consistently lose.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
147. No, Nina Turner is "grasping"..
Fri May 25, 2018, 07:17 PM
May 2018
In addition, former Our Revolution staffer and DACA recipient Erika Andiola offered a scathing Facebook post in which she verified a lot of what Politico reported. Andiola described being forced out of her work due to her advocacy on the DREAM Act and described how Turner replaced her with Tezlyn Figaro, a personal friend of Turner's, who immediately came onboard and began spouting racist and xenophobic language in favor of Donald Trump's policies. In response to these allegations, Turner published a press release late Tuesday afternoon in what can only be described as a non-denial denial. In her statement, Turner said that Figaro's comments were "under advisement" by herself and her Board and that she was unable to comment further on Andiola's charges "given the sensitivity of the matter." Oddly enough, Turner seemed to take the most umbrage with Politico's reporting on her potential run for higher office claiming that charge was "categorically false."

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
138. What I see happening on the ground is Democrats WINNING elections.
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:14 PM
May 2018
disillusioned73
62. Exactly.. they are graspping,

it does say a lot though about what is happening on the ground in 2018 and going forward..



Sadly OR's success rate on who they endorse is dismal. So how do you read what is happening on the ground? As I said, I see Democrats winning.

George II

(67,782 posts)
32. I seem to recall either a song or movie decades ago that said, effectively.....
Thu May 24, 2018, 11:59 PM
May 2018

..."what if they held a revolution and no one came?"

Cha

(297,154 posts)
44. President Obama had a
Fri May 25, 2018, 12:50 AM
May 2018

"revolution" only he didn't call it that. He just got us out of the bush disaster.. and got things DONE.

Only he wasn't pure enough.. they wanted to diss him and have their own pure revolution.. only it's not so pure.. what I'm seeing.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
139. Such a bright light in our White House.
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:19 PM
May 2018

Funny, it is the wypipo in charge and in place in the White House that have darken it...just look back at the morbid decor at Christmas.

I miss her love and vibrancy.

That cover is beautiful, thank you Cha and Gothmog.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
148. Yes, exactly, she.. the
Fri May 25, 2018, 07:32 PM
May 2018

monsters rigged in the WH now are the ones who darkened it after President Obama and First Lady Michelle had brought love and light into it.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
99. I think we had progressive evolution, rather then revolution with Pres Obama.
Fri May 25, 2018, 11:44 AM
May 2018

I think we had progressive evolution, rather then revolution with Pres Obama.

He wanted to fix things that were broken or breaking, instead of tearing them down even more as the 'revolution' was doing last year.

 

sunRISEnow

(217 posts)
100. "progressive evolution". The true progressive.
Fri May 25, 2018, 12:35 PM
May 2018

I like the wording you used. It is very on point. Thank you.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
103. I dont understand, I thought we ALL Agreed rump is a nazi, America is under attack
Fri May 25, 2018, 12:42 PM
May 2018

and until we remove the NAZI'S and stop the Russian attack, we dont care about purity and so on.

If we had all agreed to that everybody would have a D after their name and everybody would FOR NOW stop criticizing mainstream democratic politicians.

It is actually very simple.

nini

(16,672 posts)
34. Yet I got shot down everytime I tried to warn people
Fri May 25, 2018, 12:01 AM
May 2018

and that's all I'll say about that.

hisssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Cha

(297,154 posts)
41. You knew, nini!
Fri May 25, 2018, 12:35 AM
May 2018

I was there from the start.. knowing this would not go well.

Not with Nina Turner running the show.

.99center

(1,237 posts)
37. Did anyone bother to google the author?
Fri May 25, 2018, 12:14 AM
May 2018

This guy did serious damage to Clinton's campaign. Now that he came out of hiding, maybe he can prove he actually worked for the campaign and wasn't used as a prop by O'Keefe.

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
50. I think he's talking about a set up
Fri May 25, 2018, 01:06 AM
May 2018

Where somebody claimed to “rip up” Trumps ballots somewhere and recorded the gleeful reaction of certain Democrats. It wasn’t “serious damage”, the whole thing was ridiculous

.99center

(1,237 posts)
52. His name is Trevor LaFauci.
Fri May 25, 2018, 01:09 AM
May 2018


https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/10/conservative-group-may-have-broken-fla-law-in-secret-recording-of-clinton-campaign-voter-registration-shenanigans-106365

It’s unclear if Mao or the other staffers, Mark Hodges or Trevor LaFauci, will file a complaint. None could be reached through the campaign or state party. Mao and LaFauci have locked their Twitter accounts and Hodges appears to have deleted his account.

Of the three, Hodges has relatively noncontroversial cameos in the video. He acknowledges avoiding Donald Trump supporters and, during the lunchtime chat with Mao, complains of a volunteer who wants to go to a Sept. 30 Clinton event in Coral Springs.

“Tell her to fuck off and volunteer for U.S. Weekend because it's a weekend of action, and you can't win votes at a fucking rally,” Hodges says.

LaFauci is the most-compromised of the three. At one point, an undercover Project Veritas “journalist” named “Max” claims he destroyed three “Trump ballots” — an impossibility because ballots are distributed by county election supervisors to individual voters, not political operatives or canvassers.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
77. Fuck Project Veritas and O'Keefe.
Fri May 25, 2018, 09:05 AM
May 2018

I remember all the attacks on planned parenthood over their doctored edited videos.

They have ZERO credibility and citing them as evidence of anything is ludicrous.

.99center

(1,237 posts)
112. Do you also remember the lawsuits against O'Keefe?
Fri May 25, 2018, 01:22 PM
May 2018

Isn't it odd that Trevor and the others didn't file a complaint?

"In the new Florida case, no complaints have been filed, said Mike Edmondson, a spokesman for Palm Beach County state attorney Dave Aronberg, who would be in charge of prosecuting the case.

“A ‘victim’ would need to file a complaint with law enforcement to initiate an investigation," Edmondson said via email. “Generally a violation is a third degree felony punishable to 5 years in prison. Not aware of a complaint at this point."


Instead of filing a complaint, Trevor deleted his social media accounts and refused to speak to reporters. If he had any interest in helping the party, he'd file that complaint against O'Keefe.

Do you think it's a coincidence that the same guy that screwed Clinton, is now painting Democrats as racist?

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
48. The local Our Revolution group attacked an Asian candidate
Fri May 25, 2018, 01:04 AM
May 2018

The OP is consistent with the actions of the local Our Revolution group http://www.indoamerican-news.com/local-democrats-infighting-attempts-to-smear-sri-kulkarni/

Like many other youngsters going through their tumultuous teen years, Kulkarni attributed the episode to youthful indiscretion, similar to what George W. Bush, Barak Obama and Bill Clinton experienced in their youths.

But Beaton, who is backing candidate Steve Brown in the primary, is throwing out all sorts of minor issues to sideline Kulkarni’s bid. He has challenged Kulkarni’s full name, his residency in the district, his voting record and even his registration application saying he wanted to run in Massachusetts.

Inspite of these diversions, the Indian American community as well as the rest of the South And East Asian communities are staunchly behind Kulkarni and they have shown it by the sheer numbers who have come to his events and are donating funds to his campaign, sensing a chance to have an Asian in Congress from the Metroplex. They came together last night, Tuesday, February 20, at Madras Pavlion to rally behind Kulkarni and push back against these charges.

Encouraged, Kulkarni is counting on their support. “We’re pushing back against this stigmatization and slander,” Kulkarni said. “The Asian communities need to come out and vote to get us over the top in the primary.”

From another article http://www.indiawest.com/news/global_indian/texas-congressional-candidate-sri-kulkarni-acknowledges-teen-drug-arrest-youthful/article_54a39be6-1e55-11e8-8db1-6f520552146f.html

Doug Beaton, the leader of the chapter, warned Fort Bend County Democratic officials on Kulkarni's previously undisclosed past in a letter posted on social media, it said.

The letter suggested that Kulkarni, whose full first name is Srinivas, is running under an assumed name and that he had previously registered with the Federal Election Commission to run for a congressional seat in Massachusetts.,,,,

Fort Bend County's past Democratic chair, Don Bankston, a member of the party's state executive committee, said the attack on Kulkarni is off base and potentially slanderous, according to the report.

Again, I am good friends with the Muslim precinct chairs in my district. They are still pissed as this attack.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
61. As a potential front runner, the spotlight now gets shined on him.
Fri May 25, 2018, 05:45 AM
May 2018

The MSM love to build people up and tear them down, with the exception of Trump, that bastard used them and is now trying to destroy them.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
64. Author of this piece has been bashing Bernie Sanders since 2016
Fri May 25, 2018, 07:31 AM
May 2018

In April, 2016, he wrote: "The Cult of Bernie: How Blind Adoration Has Masked One of America's Most Deceitful Presidential Campaigns" and has written other similar articles before and since.

betsuni

(25,472 posts)
68. Anointed, coronated, crowned, cult, cheerleading, echo chamber, blind loyalty, hubris, hive mind,
Fri May 25, 2018, 08:13 AM
May 2018

cult of personality, fans, blind allegiance, etc. -- where have we seen that before? LOL.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
78. "campaign supposedly driven by progressive values but actually driven by greed and a lust for power"
Fri May 25, 2018, 09:20 AM
May 2018

I assume this OP has already been through a Jury process but that quote alone is the reason to justify hiding this. It gives away the entire mind set of the writer (and no doubt of many of those commenting here and giving this post a rec.) It is a slur not only against Bernie Sanders, but also against the record setting number of very small donors who supported his run for President and the many millions who voted for him. That is the author's summary view of the Bernie Sanders 2016 run for President; greed and lust for power. With that as the author's mind set, no analysis written by that person can be taken as not being driven by a covert agenda. And i do not take kindly to the implication that people like me were naively taken in by a populist demagogue. Nor would the voters of Vermont for that matter, who give Bernie Sanders the highest approval rating by voters of any state for their Senator.

There were two leading candidates for President in 2016. Both have been in politics for decades. Both of them started life from middle class backgrounds. One of them now has a net worth of tens of millions of dollars, the other maybe one, maybe two million. Both of them published books featuring their political careers, presumably they are both profiting from them. Both of them sought the greatest power in the nation, if not in the world - one at least twice, the other once so far. No one ever runs for President who wants nothing to do with having power, but uniquely Sanders is here asserted to being driven by a lust for it.

The positions Sanders campaigned on were then, and remain now, unabashedly progressive. It can be (and certainly was) argued that those policy proposals were tactically deficient and/or unrealistic. And no doubt every candidate who has ever run for office on a progressive platform has taken a small number of stances in favor of propositions that some could argue were not progressive. Obviously both leading candidates in 2016 could be scrutinized from that perspective, but objectively the Sanders campaign was driven by progressive values, and no mere assertion to the contrary can erase that.

IF THIS POST GOES TO JURY PLEASE NOTE: My references to the 2016 campaign are only in response to a false characterization IMO of it by the author of the piece posted above, with the intention of attacking one the candidates who ran in it. They do not in any way re-fight that primary in any way. I gladly voted for the winner of it.

Eko

(7,281 posts)
151. I agree with some of what you have stated.
Fri May 25, 2018, 07:45 PM
May 2018

The quote you put in your title was pretty harsh, but to be honest with you someone who will run and seek the Democratic nomination in the primary and then if they win decline the nomination and then run as an Independent in the GE sure seems to me to be someone who will use us and then discard us when they want. Also, both of them did a lot, but only one of them released their tax returns.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
154. Thank you for replying
Fri May 25, 2018, 08:40 PM
May 2018

I can understand how some can be offended by Bernie seeking the Democratic nomination in the Vermont primary and then planning to decline it. I leave that to Vermont voters, Democrats included, to evaluate on their own. Sanders is up front about it, no Democrat has to vote for him if they don't want to.

Sanders is unusual in that he rose up through the ranks of Vermont politicians as an Independent, from the local level up to state wide races. For a time Democrats ran candidates against him, but in more recent years there seems to be an understanding that Sanders will caucus with Democrats in Washington and that the Vermont Democratic Party will make no real effort to oppose him in Vermont. This helps guarantee that Vermont elects a Senator who does not caucus with Republicans, as a 3 way race where Sanders runs as an Independent vs a Republican candidate AND a Democratic candidate could split the center left vote and allow a Republican to emerge victorious. Remember, despite Vermont's liberal reputation it just elected a Republican Governor. Even if the Vermont State Democratic Party supports this arrangement (which I believe they on the whole do) it can be upset if some individual Democrats on their own choose to seek the Democratic nomination through a primary. If Sanders does not enter the Democratic primary himself than defacto there will be a Democrat other than him running in November against him, even if that person has no real chance of winning.

OK, that covers why Bernie (with the tacit understanding of the Vermont Democratic Party) runs in the Democratic Primary even though he considers himself to be an Independent, but not why he declines the nomination if he wins the primary. Again, I can understand that some may be offended by that choice but no doubt he has his reasons. If Bernie accepted the Democratic nomination than he would end up being elected as a Democrat when he wins. Bernie Sanders has been independent most of his life and he chooses to remain an Independent (who caucuses with Democrats). Running as an Independent may actually have helped Bernie in Vermont to win votes from many people who never vote Democratic. It is part of his political identity.

None of this is new or shocking to Vermont's Democratic voters who at any time can choose to support a different person running in the Democratic Party primary if they want to. As to whether Bernie uses Democrats and then discards them, he keeps his promise to caucus with Democrats in the Senate and his voting record is far more loyal to Democratic leadership in that chamber than some of our elected Democrats there. Vermont's voters know what they are getting with Sanders. It's there choice and overwhelmingly they choose Bernie Sanders. But i get that some are angered about it (though not many in Vermont).

But even if you are one of those who hold the position that Bernie Sanders only "uses the Democratic Party", the sentence that I highlighted is more than merely harsh, it is both a smear and character assassination without any basis in fact (that Sanders, like all people who summon up the resolve to run for President, has a strong ego is no proof of the over the top accusations the author made.)

As to his tax returns, with all that has gone down, I'll just say that I would consider it disqualifying if Sanders again announced a run for President without first releasing his tax returns.

Eko

(7,281 posts)
155. Thanks,
Fri May 25, 2018, 09:42 PM
May 2018

I'm a member of the Democratic party, and it's also relevant to me even if I don't live in Vermont if someone does what Sanders campaign spokesperson says he will do. There is a history of Sanders being very critical to the Democratic party, to our Presidents, our elected representatives and the party as a whole that goes much further than normal campaign rhetoric and is present even far past campaigns. Add onto that a movement spun out of his presidential campaign that continues being very critical to Democrats and even going as far as supporting people over Democratic politicians including as they stated Republicans. I run a large business with lots of employees and I know the difference between trying to make something better and trying to tear down things because someone thinks they alone know better. Sanders and OR do the latter in a large majority of dealings with the Democratic party. Its surprising to me that people don't understand why a lot of Democrats are turned off with Sanders and OR, when you continually attack a party that you use multiple times to advance in politics what else can you expect? Its like your neighbor borrowing your lawn mower and complaining every single time that your mower isnt good enough. I see people all of the time say the we need to unite as a party, Sanders and OR do the exact opposite of that. Period. As to that sentence, I agree, its hyperbolic and totally an opinion, but the second part of it has a good chance of being true, "a lust for power". When he continually uses the Party to advance in politics because he knows it increases his chance of winning and then leaves the party afterward, well, that sure does number one, show that he desires to advance quite a bit, number two, is not adverse to using a party that he is not in to advance and then leaving them when it suits him. I dont like the wording they used, I think the greed thing could have been left out and instead of lust for power maybe something like "throw a party under the bus when it suits you" would have been closer to true. Even discounting the times he has ran as a Democrat previous times, in the presidential election and now this new info is proof enough that that is indeed what he is doing from mine and others perspectives.
Your view on his tax returns is refreshing, as was the time and effort you went into replying back to me, I sincerely thank you for doing so and I hope I have done noting to offend you, if so I apologize. Your take away from the first article was not what I was shooting for, hence the second one to try to move my point forward. I am always right except for when I am wrong.
Keep on keeponing.
Eko.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
80. Oh Trevor LaFauci -- not a surprising blog piece from Trevor.
Fri May 25, 2018, 09:39 AM
May 2018

But hey, its on the internet so it must be true.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
84. Ok
Fri May 25, 2018, 10:11 AM
May 2018

If all of these articles are BS and OR is really actually thriving and robust with an awesome leader in Nina Turner, then Bernie fans don't have a thing to worry about! 2020 is looking good for you

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
87. Actually I don't think OR is thriving
Fri May 25, 2018, 10:40 AM
May 2018

But I can also recognize exaggerations and hyperbole by people with agendas.

Also also recognize that one persons hyperbole is another persons hard truth when it comes to Bernie or OR.


All is well, well enough.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
83. OR digging up the political corpse of Dennis Kuchinich and passing him off as a viable candidate
Fri May 25, 2018, 10:04 AM
May 2018

told us everything we ever needed to know about those morons...

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
94. OMG!
Fri May 25, 2018, 11:29 AM
May 2018
OR digging up the political corpse of Dennis Kuchinich and passing him off as a viable candidate
OMG!


 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
108. + 1000 THIS
Fri May 25, 2018, 01:05 PM
May 2018

As well as running candidates with zero knowledge & experience in governance.

Their schtick is clear as day.
Its not about progress nor democracy.

Its about spoilers diviide off the strength of a needed vote . Oldest game in the book.

Money & Media

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
110. Oh please. They have a massive political hit job of their own & have been running on that since
Fri May 25, 2018, 01:11 PM
May 2018

day one.

When RT begins by stumping against any Dem candidate, its about something other than progress for ALL citizens of America.

It is an all out smear campaign.
We all watched it happen througout 2015/16 & beyond, so its not even defendable nor deniable at this point.

We all see the truth.
The facts shown here lately & this today about the inner workings of OR, support that.

At least be fair.
We all see it.

 

sunRISEnow

(217 posts)
111. After two years of history with OR, the Democratic Party and base can reject this Organization.
Fri May 25, 2018, 01:18 PM
May 2018

I do not know the number of followers and supporters, but clearly they are not a friend of our party. OR does not hold our values. We do not want to be connected with their values. After a couple years, I think we can all agree this is not an organization to be connected with in any manner or have any positive expectation.

Sometimes it is that clear.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
113. Agree. OR has never been who they claim to be.
Fri May 25, 2018, 01:44 PM
May 2018

Not progressive, not democratic & not a liberal valued orgaization.


Whe the leader of OR came right out & said why he joined the Dem Party, "for Money & Media", it was obvious that there really was no "revolution".
It was a Money & Media campaign to benefit someone other than ALL the people of this country.

Stay loyal to the True Blue Democratic Party.
They have always been in the fight for a better America for its citizens.

VOTE DEMOCRAT 2018



 

sunRISEnow

(217 posts)
115. And advocate voting Republican, Independent, green or whomever, if they choose.
Fri May 25, 2018, 01:51 PM
May 2018

I mean, it should be pretty clear to all Democrats that this does not work for us.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
116. Yup. Its been clear for sometime.
Fri May 25, 2018, 01:55 PM
May 2018

Time to cut ties to any org that works against the constant values & platform of the Democratic Party.
We are always stronger together.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
149. Thank You Eko
Fri May 25, 2018, 07:36 PM
May 2018

I am relieved that the truth is finally being told. The whole purity/walk on water theme has been damaging to the Dem party, not anything close to what Comrade Trump has done but clearly aiders and abetters. And that business in Vermont is pure out and out chicanery.

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