Trump has just begun forcing detained immigrants to wear yellow insignias

[babylonsister]

https://washingtonpress.com/2018/05/24/trump-has-just-begun-forcing-detained-immigrants-to-wear-yellow-insignias/

May 25, 2018
Washington Press
Politics
Trump has just begun forcing detained immigrants to wear yellow insignias
By Colin Taylor
Published on May 24, 2018


President Donald Trump’s most monstrous policy is finally becoming a reality. The Border Patrol and the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agencies have begun separating migrant children from their parents and placing them in military warehouses while their parents are locked away in ICE’s concentration camps.

But there is another, somehow even darker, detail to the story that the administration failed to announce.

They are now marking arrested immigrants with yellow insignias.

The Arizona Daily Sun reports that at a recent immigration hearing, Alma Jacinto, a 36-year-old Guatemalan migrant had her children taken from her – and was given a yellow “bracelet” to indicate her status as a detained illegal immigrant.

Jacinto wore a yellow bracelet on her left wrist, which defense lawyers said identifies parents who are arrested with their children and prosecuted in Operation Streamline, a fast-track program for illegal border crossers.

Jacinto was sentenced to prison for illegally crossing the border, and she has no idea when she’s going to see her kids again, who are 8 and 11 years old.

Whether or not she’ll ever see them again is unclear. The Office of Refugee Resettlement announced at the end of last year that they had lost track of 1,500 migrant children who were supposed to be in foster care – some of whom the government accidentally released to human traffickers.

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If the United States has one shred of the moral fortitude that liberals like to pretend it does, we as a people cannot and will not tolerate this. Resisting ICE and the Border Patrol and their ethnic cleansing mandate is our civic duty. Turning a blind eye to these atrocities, just like most of America did to the slaughter in Gaza, means the fascists will have won, and it will be all of our fault.

[Squinch]

1. We need to replicate them and wear them.

We could call them "Spartacus" bracelets.

[BigmanPigman]

6. You can buy them and decotate them too

and they are cheap...I just googled them. In place of the silver clasp just wrap silver tape around it to look the same as the original one.
http://www.makeyourwristbands.com/customization?gclid=Cj0KCQjw6J7YBRC4ARIsAJMXXseYeDVifJYSgCKdFlE5obW6XEy32Y5f8aI6BmCdXO1TtaVXkIvfTCkaAoMEEALw_wcB

[PoorMonger]

2. Anybody know

Is Washington Press a reputable source? Obviously I am alarmed, but I read this last night and haven’t seen any publication I know report it.

[babylonsister]

4. Source is local Tucson paper:

http://tucson.com/news/local/parents-children-ensnared-in-zero-tolerance-border-prosecutions/article_e6b83d53-f4bd-566d-8487-9e9b67ef2bd8.html

Alma Jacinto covered her eyes with her hands as tears streamed down her cheeks.

The 36-year-old from Guatemala was led out of the federal courtroom without an answer to the question that brought her to tears: When would she see her boys again?

Jacinto wore a yellow bracelet on her left wrist, which defense lawyers said identifies parents who are arrested with their children and prosecuted in Operation Streamline, a fast-track program for illegal border crossers.

[PoorMonger]

5. Thanks for the fast response

[oberliner]

17. That is not the same as what the OP story says

The OP story is a lie.

[babylonsister]

20. I got the source from the OP story.

Are you saying it's not happening?

[oberliner]

23. I'm saying Operation Streamline dates back to 2005

These were worn while Obama was president (and Bush).

[babylonsister]

25. And apparently they're being worn now. How

is that a lie?

[oberliner]

27. "Trump has just begun forcing detained immigrants to wear yellow insignias" is the lie

Trump hasn't just begun forcing detained immigrants to wear yellow insignias.

They have always worn them since the program began in 2005.

[babylonsister]

30. Maybe more alarm bells are going off now given the rep of ICE. nt

[oberliner]

32. Maybe - but this headline presents this as something new, initiated by Trump - which it isn't

So I think it's important for our side to not promulgate things that aren't true.

[babylonsister]

36. I'm not deleting it. It's happening under dt's watch

and I am glad more people know about it. Seems pretty inhuman to me, and would seem that way regardless of who started it. The fact that ICE has such a horrid reputation and have done some very questionable things makes me want more eyes to see this.

[oberliner]

42. The headline is a lie

Surely you can at least correct that?

Again, there are photos of people wearing this bracelet during the Obama presidency.

[jberryhill]

60. Found the right one

It's an ID bracelet, like the ones in hospitals:

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-april-25-2013-nogales-sonora-mexico-alfredo-franco-displays-his-operation-56880608.html



April 25, 2013 - Nogales, Sonora, Mexico - ALFREDO FRANCO displays his Operation Streamline bracelet at the San Juan Bosco shelter in Nogales, Son., Mex. (Credit Image: © Will Seberger/ZUMAPRESS.com)

[jberryhill]

43. Google Road ID

Those engraved metal badges with the silicone band aren’t cheap.

For this application one would use the tyvek bracelets like the ones at festivals.

As if they need a “suburb” identified.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. This is way, way over the line of anything close to human decency.

THESE MONSTERS MASQUERADING AS OUR GOVERNMENT MUST GO.

I AM OUTRAGED. MY BLOOD BOILS.

TO HELL WITH THESE M-F FOOLS AND IDIOTS.

HOW DO WE STOP THEM?

[oberliner]

21. The story is a lie

[Stargazer99]

7. This is what Nazi Germany did with the jews

made them wear a symbol that identified as Jews....Take a look at your Republican neighbors...this is how low and ugly that party is

[oberliner]

22. Except this story is a lie

[icymist]

8. K & R

[raccoon]

9. Wake me up when it's over. As someone has already said

Wake me up when it’s over. As someone has already saidT, is just like Nazi Germany making the Jews

Hitler didn’t proclaim before he was elected that he was going to send Jews and other people he considered undesirable to concentration camps to be killed. It happened gradually.

[lpbk2713]

10. Another step closer.

They keep getting closer all the time.





"Women to the left. Men to the right."

[oberliner]

19. The story is a lie

Hopefully it will be self-deleted like the last one.

[lpbk2713]

46. OK. I didn't read any of the posts above. Only the OP.

Thanks for letting me know.

[oberliner]

48. Just to clarify

Operation Streamline dates back to 2005. They have always had these bracelets. It's not a Trump thing. It's occurred through the Bush and Obama years.

Here's a link to a photo of someone wearing one in 2013:

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-april-25-2013-nogales-sonora-mexico-alfredo-franco-displays-his-operation-56880608.html

[sheshe2]

53. Other than a link to a picture, what do you have?

I am finding nothing that supports your accusation. Please post an actual link to the facts. The last one you posted on another thread said the site is under maintenance. All you are posting is "it is a lie". No links, only your statement.

TIA

[oberliner]

55. Operation Streamline dates back to 2005

Deportees have always been given identification bracelets.

Here's a report from 2013:

In the Shadow of the Wall: Family Separation, Immigration Enforcement and Security

https://las.arizona.edu/sites/las.arizona.edu/files/UA_Immigration_Report2013web.pdf

[sheshe2]

56. Thanks for that.

Yet I am not going to read it all to find the facts that Obama forced them to wear yellow bracelets, just like trump.

[icymist]

57. What page in this little booklet in the link did you find that yellow bracelets

are even mentioned? Could you please point out the page and paragraph? Thanks in advance.

Also, I have been searching the web for clarification that yellow bracelets were being forced to be worn in Operation Streamline. Only the recent incidents are mentioned. It looks to me as a new tacit to this.

[jberryhill]

62. Here

April 25, 2013 - Nogales, Sonora, Mexico - ALFREDO FRANCO displays his Operation Streamline bracelet at the San Juan Bosco shelter in Nogales, Son., Mex. (Credit Image: © Will Seberger/ZUMAPRESS.com)



https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-april-25-2013-nogales-sonora-mexico-alfredo-franco-displays-his-operation-56880608.html

[Kingofalldems]

66. Clear plastic, not yellow.

[jberryhill]

68. Yes, but an actual bracelet used in the operation in 2013

[icymist]

70. And also, not what was asked for.

[jberryhill]

71. Okay...

Then please provide a picture of one.

[icymist]

74. You weren't even whom I addressed myself to.

A link was presented as proof that the yellow bracelets were being used pre-Trump which brought up a small booklet consisting of 33 pages in a 22 page PDF. I asked where in this booklet was this. I didn't ask for a picture of the bracelet and I sure don't have to provide one to you.

[jberryhill]

75. Page 11 of the pdf

Last edited Fri May 25, 2018, 11:07 PM - Edit history (1)

It's page 20 if you go by the booklet numbering.

It's page 11 if you go by the pdf page numbering.

Since it is booklet format, each pdf page is two booklet pages (plus the cover).

It's a statue of Jesus in a migrant shelter adorned with the types of ID bracelets used in hospital ER's to identify patients, and in detention facilities to identify detainees.

[icymist]

76. Thank you. That actually helped clear it up.

[jberryhill]

78. They are ID bands

There is no question that Trump's enforcement agenda on immigration is twisted, cruel, and inhumane.

However, the issuance of color coded ID bands to detainees is pretty normal in law enforcement. You can see from that picture that the bands in question are ordinary ID bands like those in many jails, detention facilities, hospitals, nursing homes, etc..

People are comparing this to German Jews being required to wear the Star of David patch in public, so that they will be subject to general public shunning and scorn.

Focusing on ID wristbands is missing the point about what is wrong about Trump's enforcement agenda.

[icymist]

69. Not what was asked for.

Also, not a yellow bracelet.

[jberryhill]

72. This perhaps?

https://qhubeka.org/news/new-qhubeka-ice-id-bracelets-now-available/

In Case of Emergency Identification (ICE ID) has these stylish, new Qhubeka identification bracelets in stock.

According to Gila Overton of ICE ID, “Essentially the bracelet is for everyone. anything can happen when out and about, from a car accident to a bee sting while hiking. If a person wearing an ICE ID bracelet is involved in an accident, the first person on the scene can read on the bracelet who they are and who to call in case of emergency. The tag also has medical aid details. There is no annual membership fee and no call centre, as all the essential information is on the tag, so there’s no delay in getting the person the best care in the shortest possible time.”

Because THAT was the image originally posted in the OP before it was edited, and to which I was responding.

[7wo7rees]

81. QED

[kcr]

80. Is it a lie? Or simply a matter of being mistaken?

Interesting how you choose to interpret it, oberliner. And how you're investing so much time and posts running around correcting everyone. I can just imagine the stomping and the spittle-flinging.

Because as much as I imagine some people wish it weren't so, Trump is a monster. Whether or not the wristbands were new is irrelevant to the story of immigrant refugee families being ripped apart. Sorry it didn't help your narrative. Running around and accusing people who are mistaken of lying won't change anything.

[JenniferJuniper]

11. First they came for the Socialists,

and I did not speak out. Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out.
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out.
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

[quartz007]

14. But what laws did the Jews break?

The Jews were born and raised in Germany. They did not enter Germany illegally. Jews were innocent victims of Nazi genocide.

[JenniferJuniper]

15. I think you are missing the bigger picture

[Mosby]

38. the bigger picture is that 6 million Jews were exterminated by the Nazis

Here we have undocumented people being sent back to their home countries after being detained by the border patrol.

But hey, details.

[JenniferJuniper]

51. In the 1930's era quote, it started with

the Socialists. Do you really not see the point?

[quartz007]

65. The point elequently made by Mosby is what you may be missing

which is there is a 7 oceans difference between murdering 6 million men, women and CHILDREN in gas ovens who broke no laws of Germany, and sending people back to their home country who have entered illegally.

[jberryhill]

77. I believe the distinction relates the fact

Last edited Sat May 26, 2018, 08:51 AM - Edit history (1)

That Jews were required to wear an identifying symbol in public, so that they would be subject to general scorn.

Detention facilities, nursing homes, hospitals, and many other institutions use disposable wristbands to identify persons who are not carrying ID





That detainees are wearing wristbands is not unusual. Certainly, Trump has taken immigration enforcement to new and cruel extremes. There is no question about that.

However, to think that the use of ID bands in detention facilities is some sort of analogy to the required wearing of insignia by Jews in the prelude to the Holocaust is not at all a tenable analogy.

This person, for example, is an ordinary detainee at the Clark County jail:



He is not wearing a wristband for the purpose of being publicly identified as a member of a suspect class of persons. He is wearing a wristband to identify him, period.

[Stuart G]

12. Thank You for posting this....appreicate your work...k and r..nt

[oberliner]

18. The story is a lie

Operation Streamline dates back to 2005. They have always had these temporary bracelets.

[babylonsister]

24. Well then maybe we should have known about the

bracelets. I didn't.

[oberliner]

26. Here's a photo from 2013

April 25, 2013 - Nogales, Sonora, Mexico - ALFREDO FRANCO displays his Operation Streamline bracelet at the San Juan Bosco shelter in Nogales, Son., Mex.

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-april-25-2013-nogales-sonora-mexico-alfredo-franco-displays-his-operation-56880608.html

[jberryhill]

37. You should also know

That on promotional silicone emergency ID bracelets that “ICE contact” means the number to call “in case of emergency”.

[babylonsister]

41. I do now, thank you. nt

[Kingofalldems]

67. The bracelets in the link are clear plastic, not yellow.

[jberryhill]

73. This was the bracelet originally posted in the OP

https://qhubeka.org/news/new-qhubeka-ice-id-bracelets-now-available/

In Case of Emergency Identification (ICE ID) has these stylish, new Qhubeka identification bracelets in stock.

According to Gila Overton of ICE ID, “Essentially the bracelet is for everyone. anything can happen when out and about, from a car accident to a bee sting while hiking. If a person wearing an ICE ID bracelet is involved in an accident, the first person on the scene can read on the bracelet who they are and who to call in case of emergency. The tag also has medical aid details. There is no annual membership fee and no call centre, as all the essential information is on the tag, so there’s no delay in getting the person the best care in the shortest possible time.”

That's what I was responding to. Because the OP has been edited, then the context of my replies may be unclear.

[Blue_Tires]

13. But hey, look at it this way: Hillary was gonna be so much worse, amirite??

[oberliner]

16. This story is a lie

It was posted earlier and self-deleted.

[Stuart G]

28. What you are saying is that...NO ONE IS BEING MADE TO WEAR YELLOW BRACELETS..CORRECT?

the whole thing is a lie,,,,and I got conned for starting this thread...??

Oh well.........ain't the first time....probably ain't the last...sorry to all ....

[oberliner]

29. I'm saying "Trump has just begun forcing detained immigrants to wear yellow insignias" is a lie

Trump hasn't just begun forcing detained immigrants to wear yellow insignias.

They have always worn them since the program began in 2005 (including during the Obama presidency).

[Stuart G]

33. Thank You for clarification. "they have always worn them since 2005"...

...always??......................... Why?...2005?..Bush Jr. approved this??

[oberliner]

35. You're welcome

Here is a photo from 2013:

April 25, 2013 - Nogales, Sonora, Mexico - ALFREDO FRANCO displays his Operation Streamline bracelet at the San Juan Bosco shelter in Nogales, Son., Mex.

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-april-25-2013-nogales-sonora-mexico-alfredo-franco-displays-his-operation-56880608.html

I share your disgust at this, but it went on during the last two administrations.

[calimary]

59. The whole idea, whether it just began or has continued for more than a decade

just the idea, in and of itself, is quite sickening. At least to me.

[jberryhill]

79. The idea of using wristbands to identify detainees?

Here's a picture from an article about the Clark County jail:



That's not an immigrant. It's some guy locked up for something at the Clark County jail.

Do you believe it is appropriate for a detention facility of any kind to use ID wristbands?

[Freethinker65]

44. Thank you for checking it out. I appreciate knowing the facts

[FirstLight]

31. um...Hitler much?

Oh shit!!!!

[jberryhill]

34. Lol

You do realize that the band pictures is a promotional ID band for cyclists, and the three “ICE contact” means “in case of emergency”, yes?

Because, yeah, the “suburb” in which undocumented persons live is important information.

Interesting news site there. Nice headline styles.

[oberliner]

39. It is embarrassing that this would be posted here

By the way:

What is ICE ID?
What’s the idea behind ICE ID?

ICE ID is dedicated to the idea that every person should be wearing an In Case of Emergency tag. Choosing to wear an ICE ID is a way we can feel and be safer.

http://www.iceid.co.uk/what-is-ice-id/

[babylonsister]

40. Ha! No,

I did not realize that. Pic deleted but the story remains, originally from here:

http://tucson.com/news/local/parents-children-ensnared-in-zero-tolerance-border-prosecutions/article_e6b83d53-f4bd-566d-8487-9e9b67ef2bd8.html

Parents, children ensnared in 'zero-tolerance' border prosecutions
By Curt Prendergast and Perla Trevizo Arizona Daily Star May 25, 2018 Updated 20 min ago


Alma Jacinto covered her eyes with her hands as tears streamed down her cheeks.

The 36-year-old from Guatemala was led out of the federal courtroom without an answer to the question that brought her to tears: When would she see her boys again?

Jacinto wore a yellow bracelet on her left wrist, which defense lawyers said identifies parents who are arrested with their children and prosecuted in Operation Streamline, a fast-track program for illegal border crossers.

[oberliner]

47. Again, these have been worn since 2005 - so this is not a "story"

The responses alone should encourage you to delete - since they are responding to something that is not true (i.e. that Trump has initiated forcing these people to wear these bracelets).

[jberryhill]

50. Someone deliberately chose that image

What was the thought process of the person who did that?

[babylonsister]

52. I have no idea.

I borrowed the pic from someone else; was not in the story, so I jumped the gun.

[jberryhill]

58. Wait, help me understand this

There's this dodgy news site called washingtonpress.com for which it and DU were, earlier today, the only two references for this story.

A judge just punished an Alaska prison for rights abuses against Muslim prisoners

David Hogg and the Parkland students just scored another huge win against the NRA

Reporters just pressed Trump on Melania’s mysterious absence and things got weird

Trump just lashed out at Europe with public threat on Twitter

And so you "just" came across this story as, I guess, a regular reader of this site.

But, to illustrate the story for posting here, you just grabbed some random picture of an emergency ID bracelet? And one with sponsor logos on it (leading people to actually believe that Samsung makes silicone ID bracelets, off all things).

I mean, was it a matter of "any old bracelet will do"? As opposed to, say, a hospital ID bracelet, which is cheap, can be labeled with a sharpie, etc., or one of those tyvek festival bracelets which are also cheap things that are used to ID adults who can buy alcohol, etc..

But you figured that just, hey, how about one where they are going to send out for engraving, of all things, the "suburb" they live in, and their address? Because, yeah, fleeing migrants usually come from the suburbs?

I'm not getting how these things just happened by themselves, without someone making a conscious decision in that process to be untruthful.

Or are you saying that "someone else" was saying this was the bracelet in question. Have you gotten back to them to ask them how they arrived at that conclusion?

[babylonsister]

61. Are you questioning

my motives? I didn't and don't have any other than to share how vilely immigrants are being treated.

I had seen the story, came over here and saw this link (w/o added text), and assumed this was the bracelet.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210657122

[jberryhill]

64. No, I was trying to understand what you were saying

Whether it was you who chose the picture, or whether it was someone else.

It is interesting that this person now says they got it by Googling "immigration ice bracelet" as I have tried that phrase and variations with and without quotes, and the search does not produce that image.

I saw this sort of thing happen a lot in 2016. Random photos purporting to be things that they were not, and I'm genuinely interested in how these things happen.

[Exotica]

49. yes, that site seems dodgy, plus, like another poster said, Operation Streamline is 13 years old,

and the original report (I am geo-blocked as I am in the EU and the new USA blocking started today by a lot of newspapers) didn't say they were some hi-tech bracelet

here are some videos, circa Obama-era, on it


Dan Rather Reports, "Operation Streamline" Excerpt (2013)

Hidden Camera of Mass Deportation Trial & Protest - 'Operation Streamline (2016)

screenshot



Operation Streamline Deployed (2010)

Operation Streamline: Assembly-line justice on the border (2014)

This all said, I am sure it is even worse under Trump, but it was still wrong under the last 2 administrations as well.

[haele]

45. First the government came for the undocumented and denied them rights-

And I said "well, that's a shame we're sending people off to camps and separating kids from families before we throw them out of the country, but we need to secure our borders against crime and invaders", because after all, they were knowingly committing a crime even if they weren't actually committing criminal acts in their desperation to leave crime-ridden shitholes of countries.

Then the government came for the poor petty criminals and parolees, and denied them civil rights and rehabilitation programs -
And I said "well, that's a shame these people are stuck in a rut, but they shouldn't have done the crime if they couldn't do the time or pay to get a good lawyer and get off.", because after all, there's plenty of well off people who pay their dues when they make their mistakes, so what is wrong with these fools?

Then the government came for the people of color, sexual deviants, unbelievers and non-Christians, denying them civil rights and allowing them to be discriminated against -
And I said "well, that's a shame these people can't just fall in line and do what's expected of them, but people need to get with the system, and this is a Christian Nation built by the founding fathers.", because, after all, I'm a good patriot - so why can't these fools be like me?

Then the government came for the political opposition, rounding them up, taking their kids away, and putting them in jail and criminalizing them -
And I said "well, that's a shame - but f*** them, they should have known better than to think they were better than us Real Citizens.", because, well f*** them. We won, and they need to have it rubbed in their faces until they admit it.

Then the government came for the poor who need government employment, food, housing, income or utilities assistance and took away funding for programs that gave that assistance, turning them all into unregulated "block grants" -
And I said "well, that's a shame that these families are going to suffer and maybe go homeless and become criminals caught in the system, but people need to grow up and be responsible", because after all, I had it tough at times, but I ended up alright with a bit of hard work and sacrifice - so why should they think the taxpayer should pay for them to f*** off and sit on their butts all day?

Then the government came for the working poor and young folks who needed education and health insurance subsidies and privatized any and all loans, grants and subsides with a requirement to pay it all back at unsecured rates -
And I said "well, that's a shame those people are going to be stuck in low wage crap jobs with no benefits, but listen, ya'll really need to properly plan and save for your own careers and health instead of expecting everyone to pick up after you when you screw up " - because, after all, my folks saved up and I had a job when I went to college back before Y2K, and I made damn sure I can pay for the health insurance I need through a good paying management job that education got me, so why can't these people do the same?

And then the government came for the disabled and the elderly, taking away basic services and assistance -
And I said "Well, that's a shame that maybe some people are going to die early, but they really should have saved enough for retirement or emergencies and if they really can't work, their relatives should be taking care of them instead of turning them over to the government" - because, after all, I have a pension, investments, and a 401K, and I'm not a hypochondriac like all those people who get those blue placards are.

And then things started getting more expensive, and maybe I couldn't pay for something I owed, or maybe broke the law just a little bit, the government came to me and said "Hey, you know all those laws and rules we had for those poor folks and those criminals? It's a shame you f**ed up and it just isn't working out for you, and since you don't have enough money and influence to buy your way out of this mess you've gotten yourself into...."

And there was no one left to stand up for me and keep me from losing everything I worked for when the repo men came after judgment was passed on me by the Corporate Priesthood.


(Not as good as Niemoller, but y'all get the gist...)

Haele

[MFM008]

54. Who here

Doesnt think the old nazis ss uniform gets maggot off.?

[Initech]

63. Inching closer to Nazi Germany every day.