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A culture of violenceIncoming NRA president Oliver North said the solution to mass shootings at schools is to focus on the disease, which is not about easy access to guns.
Godlessness
NRATV host Grant Stinchfield said its helpful to offer thoughts and prayers after every mass shooting because it brings God back into the discussion.
Too many doors in schools
Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, a fierce opponent of gun control, said the Santa Fe shooting may have been caused by schools having too many entrances and that it may be time to look at the design of our schools moving forward.
Unhealthy diets
NRA board member Ted Nugent said Tuesday that kids unhealthy diets are making them want to shoot up their schools.
Ritalin
North said the combination of kids growing up in a violent culture and then taking medication for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder is causing a spike in school shootings.
The overmedication of children
The problems that are producing scores of isolated young disturbed children who have convinced themselves that murdering their classmates is the way to get attention will not be solved at the gun store. It is in the home, Loesch said Tuesday on an NRATV segment titled The Overmedication of Children Is an Epidemic.
"Progressive culture
NRATV commentator Colion Noir said loose gun laws arent the problem behind school shootings. Its Americas progressive culture.
Criticizing masculinity as toxic
In the same segment, Noir blamed school shootings on parents failing to teach their kids how to cope with the harsh realities of life.
Mainstream media
NRATV host Grant Stinchfield said Monday that mainstream media outlets wrote the mass shooters playbook.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nra-santa-fe-school-shooting_us_5b05c2eae4b07c4ea104731e
Hmm -seems like some things may be missing from that list----
BigmanPigman
(51,584 posts)Turbineguy
(37,315 posts)to mention that there were students at the school.
Caliman73
(11,729 posts)I say this as a person who owns firearms.
Culture of violence: This is true. America does have a culture that glorifies violence and focuses on solving problems through force. That, paired with easy access to firearms is a very bad recipe.
Godlessness: that is just stupid. Most war and killing in human history has been done with some invocation of god. Conservatives especially focus on god as the chastising, smiting jerk depicted in the Old Testament. They hate the weak, liberal dogooder Jesus who commands people to love their enemy and turn a cheek when slighted.
Doors: I won't even answer that.
Unhealthy diets: They don't cause mass shootings, but addressing the American diet is important. There is subsidy for all of the products that are the least healthy and eating healthy food is too expensive. The American diet and the idea of food as a mere commodity says a great deal about how life is valued in the US.
Ritalin and Overmedication: Again, not the source of mass shootings. If your child has ADHD and you have tried the behavioral interventions to help them but have not had success, then Ritalin is a necessary choice. Certainly we can argue that medications are over prescribed, but again that is a lot about the levels of stress, our poor diets, and the American culture infatuation with solving problems easily. When there is a person who ends up committing a mass shooting, I guarantee you that they will likely be on some kind of psychoactive medication, why? because they are likely suffering from some psychological stress and medications are often used to treat psychological conditions. That doesn't mean that medications cause them to behave the way they do.
Progressive culture: In a very weird way, there is some validity to this, however it is nothing like what they claim. The White angry men who overwhelmingly commit the mass shootings are likely unable to deal with the changing culture. They feel isolated and angry that their White Male Privilege has not brought them the easy life that conservatives promise. Instead of adapting and understanding that change is a part of life, they lash out violently. Like the Incels who think that they are owed sex as if it is some kind of right for being White men. Sex is a part of human relationships. If you are any kind of half-way decent human being, you will find a person who will want to be in a relationship with you and who may want to have sex with you. If you think it is your birthright and that it is being denied you by "feminazis" then your hand will remain your best friend and date. Culture is progressive. It just is. Change and advancement are inevitable, but these clowns cannot adapt and so they explode into violence. It is not progressive culture that causes violence, it is your failure to adapt to inevitable change that causes violence.
Masculinity: There is a difference between teaching your children to deal with the realities of life and any kind of what the right terms as "masculinity". I am sorry. I am a man, and I think that Noir is an idiot. My daughter has to deal with way more "harsh realities" than I or my sons will ever have to deal with. The idea that masculinity means "dealing with harsh realities" is laughable. Women have endured more suffering that has been put upon them than men. Men make their own suffering through their vanity and self importance, then we put it upon women. The idea that masculinity is something to strive for is toxic and it paints men into our own self imposed isolation and frustration. Then we blame society for what we have created for ourselves.
Media: I agree that over exposure of shootings, crime, disaster, etc... facilitates stress and leads certain people to believe that going out in a rage of gunfire will give them notoriety. Some kind of legacy. There is limited research that shows this to be possible.
Bottom line is that there are a lot of physical, social, and psychological problems that we contend with and many of them play a part in crime, violence, and the stress that facilitates those acts. However, it has to be said that easy access to a tool which imparts a sense of power and mastery, but which kills and maims others makes the consequences of the above factors much more drastic. All of them, including guns need to be addressed as part of the solution.
treestar
(82,383 posts)would have to be to make guns harder to get.
malaise
(268,904 posts)Ah fuck the NRA