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Fascism has definitely come to America (Original Post) ProudLib72 May 2018 OP
Truth SummerSnow May 2018 #1
very sad..............k and r.................... Stuart G May 2018 #2
What does K and r mean? I see it all the time. walkingman May 2018 #11
"Kick" (for visibility) & "Recommend" lastlib May 2018 #12
Thanks! walkingman May 2018 #17
No, it hasn't brooklynite May 2018 #3
You misunderstand ProudLib72 May 2018 #6
Respectfully disagree. VOX May 2018 #22
+1 ck4829 May 2018 #24
So do we handwring and Skidmore May 2018 #4
Resist! ProudLib72 May 2018 #7
we Stand Up. we Speak Out. we RESIST! lastlib May 2018 #14
no not accept, His freaking bdamomma May 2018 #18
The idiot doesn't even realize he's holding the book upside down. sky rot May 2018 #5
K and R Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #8
"It Can't Happen Here" trof May 2018 #9
Where are our Jessups? ProudLib72 May 2018 #10
I own that book. murielm99 May 2018 #15
Agreed, but Donald Trump is not to blame by himself. StevieM May 2018 #13
Misspelled fascism? Or was that intentional? Nt lostnfound May 2018 #16
Whoops! ProudLib72 May 2018 #20
FYI don't use a fake quote to attack the Shithole Liberalagogo May 2018 #19
Yikes! It's amazing that there are so many memes, even bumper stickers attributing this ProudLib72 May 2018 #21
It's tricky. But Sinclair Lewis DID say this about fascism: VOX May 2018 #23
Kick ck4829 May 2018 #25

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
6. You misunderstand
Sun May 27, 2018, 06:19 PM
May 2018

The Rump is fascism; what he desires is fascism. Whether or not he wins and turns the nation completely fascist is up to us.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
22. Respectfully disagree.
Sun May 27, 2018, 09:21 PM
May 2018

All three branches of government are currently under one-party rule, and the executive branch has a greater concentration of power (shifting toward authoritarian rule) which it deliberately and doggedly uses to destroy the boundaries of those branches; the end result of which is a chief executive who can pressure the judiciary, or the congress, or law enforcement.

Some common characteristics of fascism include opposition to parliamentary democracy; opposition to political and cultural liberalism; and totalitarian ambitions. The Trump “administration” has more than signaled its position in these diagnostic areas.

The trappings of fascism are evident on a daily basis: the cult of personality, built around a hollow man with no intellect or scruples; militarism on a grand scale, with the threat of military action (including nuclear weapons); extreme xenophobia, the demonization of immigrants and POC; a flood of private and corporate monies designed to buy favor; and a radical flouting of established law.

Fascism is here. And the longer it is in power, the deeper its roots will sink.

bdamomma

(63,836 posts)
18. no not accept, His freaking
Sun May 27, 2018, 07:36 PM
May 2018

base may because they don't know better but we are the MAJORITY, we will not stand for this crap.

trof

(54,256 posts)
9. "It Can't Happen Here"
Sun May 27, 2018, 06:57 PM
May 2018


It Can't Happen Here is a semi-satirical 1935 political novel by American author Sinclair Lewis,[1] and a 1936 play adapted from the novel by Lewis and John C. Moffitt.[2]

Published during the rise of fascism in Europe, the novel describes the rise of Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip, a politician who defeats Franklin Delano Roosevelt (FDR) and is elected President of the United States, after fomenting fear and promising drastic economic and social reforms while promoting a return to patriotism and "traditional" values.

After his election, Windrip takes complete control of the government and imposes a plutocratic/totalitarian rule with the help of a ruthless paramilitary force, in the manner of Adolf Hitler and the SS. The novel's plot centers on journalist Doremus Jessup's opposition to the new regime and his subsequent struggle against it as part of a liberal rebellion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Can%27t_Happen_Here

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
10. Where are our Jessups?
Sun May 27, 2018, 07:07 PM
May 2018

I envision the Rump as the sole actor who steps away from the chorus in an ancient Greek play. The chorus never gets another separate line for the rest of the play. It's all the Rump and the chorus joining in to add to the Rump's lines. That's not tragedy; that's farce.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
13. Agreed, but Donald Trump is not to blame by himself.
Sun May 27, 2018, 07:28 PM
May 2018

Paul Ryan, Jason Chaffetz and others have been driving us in this direction for years.

 

Liberalagogo

(1,770 posts)
19. FYI don't use a fake quote to attack the Shithole
Sun May 27, 2018, 07:57 PM
May 2018
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/sinclair-lewis-on-fascism/

However, Reagan said:
"If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ronald-reagan-fascism-liberalism/

Proof that his senility was kicking in during the 1970s.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
21. Yikes! It's amazing that there are so many memes, even bumper stickers attributing this
Sun May 27, 2018, 08:39 PM
May 2018

quote to Lewis. So here is something strange. Was this the beginning of the "quote"?

In 2005 a letter to the editor of a Poughkeepsie, New York newspaper attributed the saying to Sinclair Lewis and incorrectly cited a book that does not contain the expression:

In his book, “It Can’t Happen Here” (1935), Sinclair Lewis wrote, “When fascism comes to. America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying the cross.” https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/07/28/flag/


VOX

(22,976 posts)
23. It's tricky. But Sinclair Lewis DID say this about fascism:
Sun May 27, 2018, 09:30 PM
May 2018

It’s easy to see how the quote is so often attributed to him:
https://english.illinoisstate.edu/sinclairlewis/
From It Can't Happen Here: "But he saw too that in America the struggle was befogged by the fact that the worst Fascists were they who disowned the word 'Fascism' and preached enslavement to Capitalism under the style of Constitutional and Traditional Native American Liberty."

From Gideon Planish: "I just wish people wouldn't quote Lincoln or the Bible, or hang out the flag or the cross, to cover up something that belongs more to the bank-book and the three golden balls."

There was also a play by Sherman Yellen called Strangers in the late 1970s which had a similar quote, but no one, including one of Lewis’s biographers, Richard Lingeman, has ever been able to locate the original citation.

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