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Demovictory9

(32,448 posts)
Mon May 28, 2018, 11:25 PM May 2018

I'm a black doctor. My neighbors called the cops on me for listening to Biggie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/my-white-neighbors-called-the-cops-on-me-for-listening-to-hip-hop/2018/05/28/54930d04-4fbe-11e8-af46-b1d6dc0d9bfe_story.html?utm_term=.90575aa93773


Knock knock.

Who could that be? I wondered. It was such an aggressive knock — definitely not friendly — that I froze. I finally stood up and walked to the door. I opened it with purpose, ready to confront the person on the other side.

He said: “Your neighbors called the police for a disturbance.”

It was 3 p.m. on a Saturday last fall.

-----------------

Then came the knocks.

On my doorstep was a man with a gun; it was a police officer. He spoke abruptly and was frightening.

“Is someone else in here?” he said. His hand was near his hip, close to the gun in its holster.

“No, I’m alone,” I blurted, startled.

“I need to see your identification.”

“Why? I live here.” I felt bullied in my own apartment.

“I have to report this incident, and I need your identification.”

Feeling helpless, I reluctantly turned and walked to get the license out of my wallet. I handed it to him. “So what happens now?” I asked, deflated.
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I'm a black doctor. My neighbors called the cops on me for listening to Biggie. (Original Post) Demovictory9 May 2018 OP
WOW , thanks for sharing ! stonecutter357 May 2018 #1
Cop Knock. Iggo May 2018 #2
How rotten-- dawg day May 2018 #3
What "incident"? Someone calling in false reports to the police? uppityperson May 2018 #4
Be sure to check out the Comments section, if you can stomach it EffieBlack May 2018 #5
So ready for some drama lol askyagerz May 2018 #15
Shit...I'm a doctor and my Alexa rocks out to Biggie regularly Docreed2003 May 2018 #6
Disgusting ismnotwasm May 2018 #7
Set speakers facing the neighbor and play some infrasonic sounds, around 5Hz. Make them nauseous. TheBlackAdder May 2018 #8
Most house speakers cut off around 35 hz. Dr Hobbitstein May 2018 #27
I have two PB12-Ultra/2 Subwoofers Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #36
I'm still using my SONY speakers CountAllVotes May 2018 #77
Like I said, most. There's always an exception. nt Dr Hobbitstein May 2018 #86
Most of those speaker manufacturer specs are bullshit, that the company puts out to sell their gear. TheBlackAdder May 2018 #38
Still, requires a lot more amplification at lower frequencies... Dr Hobbitstein May 2018 #87
Almost every subwoofer will reach it with little effort. TheBlackAdder May 2018 #88
Maybe you're right... Dr Hobbitstein May 2018 #89
Ah...The Brown Note. Iggo May 2018 #50
I'll admit that I googled for more info ecstatic May 2018 #78
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker May 2018 #9
Most cities have noise limits and/or noise nuisance laws even during the daytime. meadowlander May 2018 #10
I was helping a male relative remodel his house... RockRaven May 2018 #12
I'm not disagreeing with you meadowlander May 2018 #17
Its Chapel Hill. If the Pope was coming through and had a choir someone would complain about noise Lee-Lee May 2018 #20
If you don't open the door, what are the cops to do? MrScorpio May 2018 #11
she didn't have to open the door or provide ID. He would have left Demovictory9 May 2018 #16
bingo. Mosby May 2018 #42
I have got that knock many a times for playing music askyagerz May 2018 #13
That's really messed up RainCaster May 2018 #14
So her entire complaint is that someone called about her loud music? Lee-Lee May 2018 #18
Most cops on a noise ordinance call won't have a gun drawn woodsprite May 2018 #19
Gun drawn? Where do you get that from? Lee-Lee May 2018 #23
There were no guns drawn. Tipperary May 2018 #40
Oh no couldn't possibly be racism...just noise really Demsrule86 May 2018 #22
I didn't say it could be, I said it mostly likely wasn't Lee-Lee May 2018 #24
Less a truth, more a hypothesis, regardless of the irrelevancy of its convenience. LanternWaste May 2018 #30
re: "...no more than fifty (50) decibels during the day." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #68
Yeah, that's an insane noise ordinance as I said before Lee-Lee May 2018 #75
Seems like it was too loud. I had the cops come to my door once for that. Honeycombe8 May 2018 #102
At 3:00 PM? Demsrule86 May 2018 #21
Welcome to Chapel Hill Lee-Lee May 2018 #25
It has been my experience that when cops arrive for a minor complaint with guns drawn it is Demsrule86 May 2018 #28
It doesn't say the gun was drawn. Vinca May 2018 #29
Yes, you are correct... Demsrule86 May 2018 #32
Was he supposed to tie his right hand behind is back, maybe hold it in the air? mythology May 2018 #34
She got a violation or it was 'reported' whatever...at 3:00 in the afternoon...yeah I worked Demsrule86 May 2018 #81
She didn't get a "violation", that claim is nonsense Lee-Lee May 2018 #83
ID was required so it could be reported...in my book that is a violation. Demsrule86 May 2018 #85
"Your book" is nonsense you are making up Lee-Lee May 2018 #92
Obviously, it is in the system...which is why he demanded her ID. Demsrule86 May 2018 #100
It shows how much you were manipulated by the way the story was presented Lee-Lee May 2018 #37
Oh and to your last part Lee-Lee May 2018 #39
She was told if she had another violation...so she got a violation...and so much passion and anger Demsrule86 May 2018 #73
No, she got a warning Lee-Lee May 2018 #74
No she didn't . He 'reported' the incident...not a warning. Demsrule86 May 2018 #80
A report is not a citation. She got a warning Lee-Lee May 2018 #82
Well, the cop is clearly in the wrong profession if he could tell the race of the person Vinca May 2018 #64
Maybe he did maybe he didn't, but she still got a violation Demsrule86 May 2018 #69
It's unknowable unless you want to go to the police department and audit their files. Vinca May 2018 #70
When they came to my door late at night once.... Honeycombe8 May 2018 #103
Which would be even slightly relevant if the cop had arrived with a drawn gun mythology May 2018 #33
No gun was drawn. Tipperary May 2018 #41
This is why I'll never live in an apartment building. Vinca May 2018 #26
Same here Rorey May 2018 #35
Then call the manager, not the fucking cops. moriah May 2018 #43
Exactly. Iggo May 2018 #48
No, they could be waking up another doctor who works the graveyard shift. Vinca May 2018 #65
I don't know what you define as "normal" Lee-Lee May 2018 #67
Apparently you all misunderstood. By calling management at 3 PM... moriah May 2018 #72
How do you know the neighbour didn't take that approach the last (X) times this happened? meadowlander May 2018 #91
Maybe this is my "ginger female" privilege speaking, but.... moriah May 2018 #94
Maybe luck of the Irish meadowlander May 2018 #95
That happens in the suburbs, too. Iggo May 2018 #47
I agree; I lived in dorms and apartments and treestar May 2018 #90
what about mowing the lawn? dawg day May 2018 #105
I don't think that applies to music treestar May 2018 #106
Anyone who has driven on a busy road marybourg May 2018 #31
She did talk about the volume of her music csziggy May 2018 #44
That really doesn't address the volume Lee-Lee May 2018 #51
have a nit discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #71
Yeah my damm phone keeps swapping them Lee-Lee May 2018 #76
Another nitpick, sorry meadowlander May 2018 #93
I find it interesting that multiple people here have said the officers guns were drawn Lee-Lee May 2018 #45
Yes. Tipperary May 2018 #53
Buy some headphones Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #46
What if the neighbor MichMary May 2018 #49
And what if the neighbor had knocked on the door and explained that instead of calling the cops? Iggo May 2018 #52
Could have done that MichMary May 2018 #56
People want to call the cops for everything anymore Lee-Lee May 2018 #57
I worked nights for five years. moriah May 2018 #54
Sue them. notdarkyet May 2018 #55
I've called the cops on noisy neighbors csziggy May 2018 #58
So, here's the latest Black crime matt819 May 2018 #59
The problem here was calling the cops instead of talking to the neighbor IronLionZion May 2018 #60
This generally works if.. cannabis_flower May 2018 #107
K&R Gothmog May 2018 #61
Did she ever ask the cop what it was about? MiniMe May 2018 #62
I think it's pretty clear it was loud music Lee-Lee May 2018 #63
FIRST MISTAKE HAB911 May 2018 #66
All the comments acting like people would have called the cops just as quickly on Peter Paul & Mary. gollygee May 2018 #79
reality is that people are much less likely to blast PP&M loud enough to make the walls shake. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2018 #96
Assuming at the same volume, people would call on PP&M much less often. nt gollygee May 2018 #97
Would you actually call the police about loud music? dawg day May 2018 #101
How about Pantera? Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #98
Maybe they are Tupac fans samir.g May 2018 #84
"Well, maybe the music WAS too loud..." EffieBlack May 2018 #99
There's a lot of stuff to unpack here. cannabis_flower May 2018 #104

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
3. How rotten--
Mon May 28, 2018, 11:35 PM
May 2018

I think of Sandra Bland, who was arrested for nothing at a wonderful moment of her life, moving for a great new job.

And here the doctor gets great news and is happy, and then this kind of cruel event happens. It's like-- don't get too happy. That's not allowed for you.
I hope the neighbors feel horrible about themselves, but probably not.

Many congrats to Dr. Branch for her achievement!

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
6. Shit...I'm a doctor and my Alexa rocks out to Biggie regularly
Mon May 28, 2018, 11:49 PM
May 2018

Guess that's ok because I'm melanin deficient!

SMDH

TheBlackAdder

(28,183 posts)
8. Set speakers facing the neighbor and play some infrasonic sounds, around 5Hz. Make them nauseous.
Tue May 29, 2018, 12:46 AM
May 2018

Leave for a short shopping trip. Do that for a while, at various times of day and they'll move.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
27. Most house speakers cut off around 35 hz.
Tue May 29, 2018, 08:02 AM
May 2018

Hell, even decent priced subs roll off around 18hz.
Human hearing is only 20 hz-20khz.

You need something a bit more specialized to push a 5hz rumble.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,106 posts)
36. I have two PB12-Ultra/2 Subwoofers
Tue May 29, 2018, 09:33 AM
May 2018

in my theater room. If I lived in an apartment, I could NEVER use them at full functionality. They will go down to 15hz. (when parts of a movie go down that low, we "feel" it rather than hearing it)
I am lucky that my nearest neighbor is 200 ft away from me and my theater room is well insulated for sound.

CountAllVotes

(20,868 posts)
77. I'm still using my SONY speakers
Tue May 29, 2018, 02:08 PM
May 2018

Bought in 1985, made in Japan.

Used to shove 'em up the chimney to keep the cult living above me on their toes!

They still work JUST FINE today!

Rock on!



TheBlackAdder

(28,183 posts)
38. Most of those speaker manufacturer specs are bullshit, that the company puts out to sell their gear.
Tue May 29, 2018, 09:48 AM
May 2018

Many speakers can dip below 20Hz, but their audio isn't heard, so they manufacturers don't publish it, or its sound is inconsistent to the point where it won't produce stable audio sounds. In lab settings, with ambient noise eliminated, a lot can can test down that low.

Anything below 20hz will disturb people, including the 15Hz mentioned above. 5Hz is great because that hovers around the cellular frequency in human cells.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
87. Still, requires a lot more amplification at lower frequencies...
Tue May 29, 2018, 06:29 PM
May 2018

Most house speakers, even if they can deliver the goods, may blow before ever producing it with sufficient amplitude.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
89. Maybe you're right...
Tue May 29, 2018, 06:55 PM
May 2018

I'm a recording engineer, not a mastering engineer... Don't tend to mess with running my signal generators that low at all...

ecstatic

(32,681 posts)
78. I'll admit that I googled for more info
Tue May 29, 2018, 02:14 PM
May 2018

on where to find such tones... but I'm not going to do it. I'd be worried about the type of karma that would produce. Interesting though...

meadowlander

(4,394 posts)
10. Most cities have noise limits and/or noise nuisance laws even during the daytime.
Tue May 29, 2018, 01:28 AM
May 2018

Without knowing how loud the music was and how far away the source of the noise was from the neighbours, it's hard to judge what happened and whether or not it was racially motivated. It may well have been. But we had neighbours who used to blast country music from their lawnmower every Sunday and eventually had to call the cops after we asked them several times to stop and they didn't.

We also don't know if this was the first time she cranked the stereo or if she did it all the time.

People call the cops because of screaming babies, barking dogs, children playing loudly in the back yard, old ladies with the TV turned up too high. I know one woman who had the cops called on her because she wears stiletto heels and the noise on the hallway tiles annoyed her neighbors.

Again, not saying definitively that this was racially motivated or not. Just that the article doesn't really have enough information to judge.

RockRaven

(14,958 posts)
12. I was helping a male relative remodel his house...
Tue May 29, 2018, 02:06 AM
May 2018

it was summer, so the sun was still very high in the sky when the neighborhood's 6 PM noise ordinance went into effect, and we were still plowing ahead on the project. We were using some power tools, circular saws and the like, which made a few seconds of loud noise every few minutes. At about 6:15 a cop came by and told us they had received a noise complaint.

The cop a) didn't have his hand anywhere near his gun, b) didn't ask anyone for identification, and c) didn't even bother to ask who we were or what we were doing or whether we had a right to be there.

He delivered that message, we said "oh, sorry, lost track of time, we'll stop right now" and he turned around and walked away before he had made it half-way down the drive way. And this from a suburban police department so bored they set up traffic-stop traps for people who roll through stop signs in this neighborhood.

And that wasn't the first time my relative had run afoul of that noise rule during his remodel, but that didn't make the cop any more aggressive than a kitten.

Is it relevant that every person the cop saw on my relative's property that day was a white male?


This hand-wringing about the OP post's anecdote declaiming that we don't know all the details of this particular situation ignores the relevant point the anecdote alludes to -- cops (and non-cops) do not react to the presence of black bodies the same way they react to the presence of white bodies. This phenomenon is well documented. This story doesn't prove the phenomenon, that is done elsewhere in a broad swath of social science literature, but it does provide a personalized illustration of it.

meadowlander

(4,394 posts)
17. I'm not disagreeing with you
Tue May 29, 2018, 03:10 AM
May 2018

that black people aren't treated the same way as white people. I'm saying we don't have enough facts to judge what happened in this particular instance.

I'm pointing out that we only have one side of the story and no context. I don't, as a general practice, think it's helpful to read into situations like that just because, in many other circumstances, black people are treated unfairly.

I frequently see situations where people who are breaking the rules decide that they are being unfairly picked on or are the victims and then go to the press to complain about it to drum up sympathy - particularly where they know that the person they are accusing can't respond because of confidentiality issues or institutional policies. It makes me somewhat skeptical when I see a news story with only one source using the kind of emotive description that this story does to describe events with no context or corroborating evidence. I'm not accusing anyone of lying... just pointing out that her perceptions of the event may not be the whole story.

I don't think it's "hand wringing" to suggest holding off on judgment until you have all of the facts, or at least you have more than one person's take on it.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
20. Its Chapel Hill. If the Pope was coming through and had a choir someone would complain about noise
Tue May 29, 2018, 07:22 AM
May 2018

See my longer post below about how insanely restrictive the local noise ordinance there is.

And the year round residents are known for being stuffy, nit-picking types who complain about everything.

That’s why the town has such a restrictive noise law to begin with, because the residents like that kind of stuff.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
18. So her entire complaint is that someone called about her loud music?
Tue May 29, 2018, 06:45 AM
May 2018

Really?

I have news for her- people call in noise complaints about loud music, loud cars, loud workers, loud kids, loud anything,

They do it all the time. On people of all races

It’s literally one of the most common complaints LE gets.

I worked as a deputy not far from Chapel Hill, and know lots of people that did and still do work there. The city is notorious for having lots of nit picky, oversensitive, will call and complain and expect the police to come out for the stupidest shit kind of residents.

Since I guess the author couldn’t be bothered to even find out what the noise law is and tell us, I looked it up for Chapel Hill:

http://studentlegalservices.web.unc.edu/legal-resources/legal-topics-index-2/noise-ordinance/

The Chapel Hill Noise Ordinance
The Town of Chapel Hill restricts the permitted noise level in residential areas to no more than forty-five (45) decibels at night (11:01 p.m. to 6:59 a.m. Sunday through Thursday, 12:01 a.m. through 6:59 a.m. Friday and Saturday) and no more than fifty (50) decibels during the day. The measurement is taken at any point on or beyond the property line from which the sound originates. However, there is a means for obtaining permission to exceed these levels for certain occasions.

Permits To Exceed The Permitted Noise Level
A person or group may apply for a permit, specific to the time (daytime hours of Friday or Saturday only) and place of a planned activity, to produce sound no more than ten (10) decibels in excess of the normal sound levels allowed. In considering the permit, the Town Manager may consider the time and nature of the activity, the timeliness of the application, the duration of the event, other activities in the vicinity of the location proposed, the frequency of the application, the effect of the activity on residential areas, previous experience with the applicant, and any previous violations. Moreover, the Town Manager must determine that the granting of the permit would have minimum or no impact on the surrounding area, or that the event is of a community-wide nature. You must apply seven (7) days prior to the event.

And there’s more: Permit holders agree to contact someone at every residential address within two hundred and fifty (250) feet of the property boundary of the site at least seventy-two (72) hours prior to its starting time. A signer of the permit must be available at the site of the event during the entire time for which the permit has been issued (to assist town officials in enforcing the ordinance).

Nuisance Noise
It is unlawful to create, cause or allow the continuance of any unreasonably loud noise, particularly during nighttime, which interferes with neighboring residents’ reasonable use of their properties. Nuisance noises include, but are not limited to, the following:

Yelling, shouting, whistling or singing
NOISY PARTIES
Repairing motor vehicles
Sound amplification equipment, television, or musical instruments
Explosives and fireworks
Security alarms (if unabated for twenty (20) minutes)
It is also unlawful to operate a vehicle sound system on public or private property, or a boom box on public property, if the sound is detectable more than thirty (30) feet from the source.

Violation Of The Noise Ordinance
A violation of the noise ordinance is punishable as a misdemeanor. It is cause for immediate revocation of a permit, and will prevent the violator from obtaining a permit to exceed noise limits for six (6) months.

There are many exceptions to the noise restrictions. Outdoor athletic events on campus, an official all-campus UNC event on campus (occurring no more than twice a year), street fairs, church bells, and similar reasonable activities are not affected.

Verified June 2011


That’s a very restrictive ordinance, to put it mildly. 50db during the day is a very quiet standard compared to most. 40db is the background sound level of a quiet officer and 60-65db is the sound level of normal conversation at 3 feet.

It is the quietest allowable noise level I’ve seen in any NC noise ordinance, in fact. That’s an insanely low noise threshold to set for a daytime violation. Literally if you were standing on the edge of your property and talking in a normal conventional tone it would constitute a violation of your voice was over 50db just inches away off the property line.

So if her music was audible at a level not even higher than a normal conversation at any point off her property than she was, in fact, in violation of the law. Evidently she either never bothered to learn what the law allowed for in her town or she knows and didn’t care. Or she learned afterwards, but just doesn’t bother to tell readers in her story.

So, while she’s certain this was about race, there really is zero evidence it is. And knowing the reputation for how many residents of Chapel Hill are, the odds are that in fact it wasn’t at all about race. They would have called just the same for loud music of any kind, because that’s how most of them that live there that are not students are.

Not everything is about race. When you breaking the law, even a stupid one, and the cops show up it’s probablh because you were breaking the law, not because you are black or brown.

Now, is it possible racial bias played a role here? Sure. But likely? Probably not. Are there any indications that racial bias at all came into play? None are presented. So the author makes claims of racial bias in her story without any supporting evidence yet leaves out some critical details that readers need to know like the fact that she live in an area where even marginally loud music is, in fact, illegal. So she makes it a point to lead readers in the direction she wants by leaving some important details out

The story is actually more about how the city passed an impossibility restrictive noise ordinance that essentially wants people to live in their own homes almost as quiet as monks. But, that’s the kind of shit that often goes down in Chapel Hill because that’s the kind of shit the bulk of the year-road residents want so they can call the cops anytime students or anyone else gets even the least bit loud or unruly.

Not everything is racial when the cops show up. Sometimes when you move to a place with a stupidly restrictive law and busybody neighbors and you proceed to break the law the cops show up because you were breaking the law. And they are probably just as exasperated to be going on another stupid noise complaint call in the middle of the day as you are to see them.

Edit: here is the more complete noise ordinance instead of the summary I posted above if anyone wants to see it all, but the relevant parts are in what I posted above. https://ilsr.org/rule/noise-pollution/2445-2/

woodsprite

(11,911 posts)
19. Most cops on a noise ordinance call won't have a gun drawn
Tue May 29, 2018, 07:22 AM
May 2018

*THAT* probably did have to do with the type of music it was.

I doubt they would have drawn their guns if they had arrived and heard The Oak Ridge Boys playing at 60 or 70db.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
23. Gun drawn? Where do you get that from?
Tue May 29, 2018, 07:42 AM
May 2018

Nowhere does it mention guns drawn. Are we making up new facts now?

It does say “His hand was near his hip, close to the gun in its holster.”. So his gun wasn’t drawn, and his hand wasn’t even on his gun. It was “near” it. Well that’s a totally meaningless statement, because I challenge you you stand there in a natural pose with your arms falling where they normally do and not have your right hand “near” your hip where a holster goes. Yeah, that’s kind of how human anatomy works. I bet 99% of your day if you are standing if you are not doing something with your right hands it’s going to be “near” your hip too.

But you can see how her statement there had it’s desired effect. By pointing out his hand was “near” his gun because that’s where arms go when you stand she took an innocuous thing and turned it into a misleading way to describe nothing threatening that led you to think he had a gun drawn.

See how she, by using ominous terms to describe nothing more than the officers arms in a resting position, manipulated your thoughts to think it was something far more than it was?

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
24. I didn't say it could be, I said it mostly likely wasn't
Tue May 29, 2018, 07:43 AM
May 2018

Sorry if that’s an inconvenient truth for you.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
30. Less a truth, more a hypothesis, regardless of the irrelevancy of its convenience.
Tue May 29, 2018, 08:12 AM
May 2018

"Sorry if that’s an inconvenient truth for you...

Less a truth, more a hypothesis, regardless of the irrelevancy of its convenience, or the allegations of your sorrow.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
68. re: "...no more than fifty (50) decibels during the day."
Tue May 29, 2018, 01:40 PM
May 2018

A normal conversation goes from 40-60 dB. Normal TV volume is 60 dB.
For condos and apartments, the property line is often interpreted as being just inside the wallpaper.

The logical conclusion here is that no one living in an apartment may use a TV and all talking must be in quiet tones only during the day and near whisper at night.

OTOH, a standard "cop knock" probably violates the law.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
102. Seems like it was too loud. I had the cops come to my door once for that.
Wed May 30, 2018, 04:55 PM
May 2018

So...????

I don't think they would have written a report on it, but maybe.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
25. Welcome to Chapel Hill
Tue May 29, 2018, 07:52 AM
May 2018

Seriously, subtract the college students and what is left is a bunch of pretentious, busybody stuck up types.

Overwhelmingly liberal, it’s a solid blue area, but also overwhelmingly stuck up.

I have known people who had the police called because someone parked in the grass in their own yard because they wanted the driveway free for a delivery. That’s the kind of place it just is.

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
28. It has been my experience that when cops arrive for a minor complaint with guns drawn it is
Tue May 29, 2018, 08:10 AM
May 2018

almost always about race.

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
32. Yes, you are correct...
Tue May 29, 2018, 08:22 AM
May 2018

On my doorstep was a man with a gun; it was a police officer. He spoke abruptly and was frightening.

“Is someone else in here?” he said. His hand was near his hip, close to the gun in its holster.


He merely had his gun near the close to the holster in what is described as a threatening manner... that makes it different to you I guess. It is racism in my opinion. I would bet lots of money that most white folks would get a warning...

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
34. Was he supposed to tie his right hand behind is back, maybe hold it in the air?
Tue May 29, 2018, 08:27 AM
May 2018

You are clearly arriving at your conclusion and then working backwards. Okay his hand wasn't on his gun, but it was near his gun and therefore threatening. What was he supposed to do with his hand? If I stand up straight, with my arms at my sides, my hand is near my hip. Based on how much creative license you take, that's probably threatening even though I don't have a gun, because my hand is near where a gun could be and therefore it's a symbolic threat.

He didn't have his gun near his holster. The gun was literally in the holster and secured in place. Short of leaving it in the car or walking around with his arm over his head, there's not a lot of positions his arm could be in that wasn't "near" the gun.

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
81. She got a violation or it was 'reported' whatever...at 3:00 in the afternoon...yeah I worked
Tue May 29, 2018, 02:31 PM
May 2018

backwards. You all can defend this if you want...I don't agree.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
83. She didn't get a "violation", that claim is nonsense
Tue May 29, 2018, 02:41 PM
May 2018

She got a verbal warning and the officer did a report to document the call, like they do with every call they go on.

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
85. ID was required so it could be reported...in my book that is a violation.
Tue May 29, 2018, 05:33 PM
May 2018

She was warned about another time.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
92. "Your book" is nonsense you are making up
Tue May 29, 2018, 07:54 PM
May 2018

Last edited Wed May 30, 2018, 06:23 AM - Edit history (1)

There is no such thing as a “violation” in NC law.

You can have a verbal warning, a written warning and for municipal code violations like that either a criminal citation or a civil citation.

There is no such thing as a “violation” given to a person. A violation is your action, for which you can get a warning or citation.

The idea because ID was required for the report that some sort of mythical thing called a “violation” was created is nonsense. If you are in an accident and the cop gets your ID for the report does that suddenly become a “violation”?

Your to the point of making up nonsense like “violations” that don’t exist under NC law just so you can claim something happened that didn’t.

She under every standard of NC law got a warning and nothing more.

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
100. Obviously, it is in the system...which is why he demanded her ID.
Wed May 30, 2018, 04:30 PM
May 2018

If it wasn't how would she be in 'more trouble ' next time...cop is a racist that is what I think...you seem to always want to believe it isn't so... so is her neighbor who couldn't walk down and ask her about the music...and who unless she is brain dead knows cops and Black folks = dead Black folks. You won't convince me and are now bordering on being somewhat rude...let's agree to disagree.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
37. It shows how much you were manipulated by the way the story was presented
Tue May 29, 2018, 09:46 AM
May 2018

The gun wasn’t drawn. His hand wasn’t even on the gun as is done if you expect to need it.

Her entire statement was that his hand was “near” the gun.

“Near”.

Guess what. Your holster is on your hip. When you stand up and you are not doing anything with your hand it naturally end up- by your hip.

Try it sometime, stand up and see where your hand goes. Near your hip! You racist pig cop with arms that end near your hip!

She literally made a big deal about the officers hand being at the end of his arm that ends up spending most of its time near his hip, where his holster is. That’s it.

Not a drawn gun. Not a hand on the gun. Not anything actually indicative of any bias or hostile intent at all, but literally just that his hand was at the end of his arm that happens to reach down near his hip like 100% of human arms do absent some deformities.

But because of how she presented the story, and perhaps your own internal biases, you lept from an officer who has arms and hands like everyone else to the officer arriving at the scene with guns drawn.

Maybe you should reflect on both why she chose to phrase that like she did, trying to make it seem ominous when literally he never touched the gun based on her own words- and also reflect on why you read a story where there were no guns even touched, much less drawn, and in your mind turned that into guns drawn.

Seriously- you read a story where the officer never touched his gun at all, was never reported as having made any moves to touch it, made any statements about using it, but only had his hand at the end of his arm where Mother Nature put it and you turned that into a cop responding to a call of loud music with guns drawn and then presented it to others online as a case of cops responding to a loud music call with guns drawn.

Perhaps you should examine your own internal biases here... because your kind of exaggeration and false claims of misconduct don’t do anyone any good.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
39. Oh and to your last part
Tue May 29, 2018, 09:51 AM
May 2018

“I would bet lots of money that most white folks would get a warning...”

Umm she did get a warning. He took a report and told her that if they got multiple complaints then a ticket would be issued.

That literally is a warning. Don’t do it again or we will have to issue a ticket is the textbook definition of a warning.

Between this and the gun drawn thing you are literally changing the entire story in your mind because you want it to be racism so badly. First you invent the gun drawn, then you say if she was white it would have been a warning when in fact what she got was a warning.

At the rate you are changing the story you will have the officer with a KKK bumper sticker on his patrol car next...

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
73. She was told if she had another violation...so she got a violation...and so much passion and anger
Tue May 29, 2018, 01:52 PM
May 2018

in this matter... I didn't change anything. I have an opinion and so do you...I think it is most likely racism. Why you are so angry about this says more about you than me.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
74. No, she got a warning
Tue May 29, 2018, 02:03 PM
May 2018

She violated the noise ordinance evidently, so they made a report but did not issue a ticket.

A report without a ticket is a warning.

If they could have written a ticket, but didn’t, and said if it happens again that is a warning.

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
80. No she didn't . He 'reported' the incident...not a warning.
Tue May 29, 2018, 02:18 PM
May 2018

“I have to report this incident, and I need your identification.”

Feeling helpless, I reluctantly turned and walked to get the license out of my wallet. I handed it to him. “So what happens now?” I asked, deflated.

He explained that he would have to report the incident, but nothing really happens unless there is a repeated offense."

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
82. A report is not a citation. She got a warning
Tue May 29, 2018, 02:33 PM
May 2018

It’s not that complicated.

He made a report.

A report is not a citation.

A report, albeit a simple short one, is required to be done at the end of every call for service. He was dispatched on a call, he made a report.

Here is how it could have gone down.

He gets dispatched to the call.

He talks to her. He can then issue a verbal warning. A written warning or a citation.

Based on her account, he issued a verbal warning.

Then he wrote his report and documented the warning.

She did not get a citation. She got a warning. Claiming that the officer doing a report (that is done for every call like this) means it wasn’t a warning is a flat out dishonest claim.

She got a warning. That warning was documented in a report. Claiming it’s anything more than that is dishonest and simply untrue.

Vinca

(50,261 posts)
64. Well, the cop is clearly in the wrong profession if he could tell the race of the person
Tue May 29, 2018, 01:24 PM
May 2018

before the door was opened. He should be making big bucks with a Las Vegas magic show. It could just as likely have been a skinny white boy playing Biggie. There is a whole lot of racism in this world and turning something like this into an "incident" demeans bona fide complaints.

Demsrule86

(68,543 posts)
69. Maybe he did maybe he didn't, but she still got a violation
Tue May 29, 2018, 01:45 PM
May 2018

I would bet money a white person wouldn't have.

Vinca

(50,261 posts)
70. It's unknowable unless you want to go to the police department and audit their files.
Tue May 29, 2018, 01:48 PM
May 2018

Have you been reading the Roseanne Barr posts???? Now THAT'S racism. Loud music is an inconsiderate tenant issue.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
103. When they came to my door late at night once....
Wed May 30, 2018, 04:58 PM
May 2018

they had their guns, because they were officers. But not drawn. They were polite but seemed to be irritated having to do a noise nuisance call. I imagine they get that a lot and it's irritating.


 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
33. Which would be even slightly relevant if the cop had arrived with a drawn gun
Tue May 29, 2018, 08:23 AM
May 2018

From the article: "His hand was near his hip, close to the gun in its holster."

Kind of awkward for your claim. I could say something snarky about my experiences with people who don't bother to read the article before jumping to conclusions they are certain about, but that would be mean.

Vinca

(50,261 posts)
26. This is why I'll never live in an apartment building.
Tue May 29, 2018, 07:53 AM
May 2018

There's nothing worse than an inconsiderate person making too much noise - especially if it's music you don't particularly care for. I wonder how the doctor might feel if his next door neighbor cranked up an old Partridge Family album. No sympathy from me on this one. It's got nothing to do with black and everything to do with noisy. (Any it's SOP for cops to ask for identification when they make contact with a person.)

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
35. Same here
Tue May 29, 2018, 08:32 AM
May 2018

I live in a very quiet area, and I like it that way.

A few years ago, someone in the area started playing loud music in the afternoons. I generally try to wait it out, but on the third afternoon of this crap I got in my car and drove around to see if I could find where it was coming from. Some guy was working on his car and had his car stereo booming. I wasn't about to personally confront him because of the risk of that ending badly. I went home and did a little research and determined that it was probably the adult child of the actual homeowners. I wrote a letter, describing the noise and asked for it to stop, along with a polite warning that if I had to, I'd call the police. I patiently waited, knowing it would take a day or two for the mail to reach them. It stopped. I'm happy.

I truly am not a complainer. People have parties or gatherings on holidays and special occasions, and that's fine. If it becomes a pattern, it's not fine.

Lawn mowers and power tools aren't a problem, but loud bass that shakes my house is just too much.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
43. Then call the manager, not the fucking cops.
Tue May 29, 2018, 10:02 AM
May 2018

At 3 PM, they certainly wouldn't be waking a normal person up.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
67. I don't know what you define as "normal"
Tue May 29, 2018, 01:31 PM
May 2018

But a whole lots of people don’t work 9-5 jobs and a whole lot of people, from janitors to cops to paramedics to gas station cashiers to cooks to doctors, they can work graveyard shifts or swing shifts.

Have you never worked a late shift of known someone who does? The idea that a person who works those hours is not “normal” is kind of baffling to me. Is that single mom working the late shift as a nurse because it pays more not “normal” to you?

moriah

(8,311 posts)
72. Apparently you all misunderstood. By calling management at 3 PM...
Tue May 29, 2018, 01:51 PM
May 2018

.... even if it was a weekend, unless that weekend oncall management led a fairly irregular lifestyle for one, you wouldn't be waking them.

Whereas calls to the oncall management in the middle of the night *will* likely wake them.

meadowlander

(4,394 posts)
91. How do you know the neighbour didn't take that approach the last (X) times this happened?
Tue May 29, 2018, 07:30 PM
May 2018

Since we only have the one woman's story we don't know what other steps the neighbour may or may not have taken in any previous incidents, if there were any.

We also don't know:
- the race of the neighbour(s?)
- whether there were multiple complaints about this incident or only one
- whether the apartment complex had a manager at all
- how responsive the manager has been in the past and what kind of relationship the neighbour had with them
- whether the manager could be reached at all
- how long the music was playing
- how loud it was
- how long she had been living there and whether there had also been issues with previous residents. If she recently moved in, hadn't met the neighbours and the previous residents were troublemakers, the neighbours may not have realised they were calling the cops on someone new.
- what kind of relationship this woman has with the neighbours generally. They could be in the middle of a feud about something completely unrelated and not feel comfortable directly confronting each other without it escalating. Or it could have been a revenge call because she leaves her trash out too long or has loud sex or her cat craps in the neighbour's flowerpot or some other rubbish.

You know, context. Neighbours gets into beefs like this all the time in every neighbourhood everywhere in the world since the dawn of time. That's what neighbours do. Sometimes it is racially motivated and sometimes it isn't.

When someone is breaking the law (or in this case violating a noise ordinance) and you don't feel like you can cope with the problem yourself, you call the cops. That's what they're there for. When everything is working right and they are doing their job, it can deescalate a situation that could otherwise get out of hand. They are meant to be trained professionals who know how to resolve conflicts. Just because some cops are bad at their jobs doesn't mean that calling the cops, even in appropriate circumstances, is the wrong thing to do.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
94. Maybe this is my "ginger female" privilege speaking, but....
Tue May 29, 2018, 11:24 PM
May 2018

... I've never had to call the cops for noise complaints. And yes, I worked nights for five years.

Why do I think it could be privilege making me never have to resort to it?

1) The whole ginger stereotype of a temper. I do have one, but learned through observation of family that four-letter words and yelling did very little, while the reverse -- especially when actually extremely angry -- worked wonders because it apparently led to an appearance of being a ginger about to snap (heh, puns). When I am not actually angry, just mildly annoyed, perhaps people fear I'll go from zero to SuperBitch and so they take a "friendly request" as getting off lucky.

2) Being female, I'm not likely to be perceived as escalating a situation by my intervention as much, especially if I use the folkways learned growing up as one. We're socially conditioned to learn the art of smoothing things over. We certainly aren't likely capable of causing physical harm to someone we approach directly vs getting a cop/manager to do it -- and maybe it's the gingertude, but I am not afraid for my *own* physical safety knocking on someone's door, or walking up to someone in a parking lot working on a car, etc. Most people are people, and "Hey, I know it's daytime and all but **insert reason here why noise is bothersome**, so could you turn it down?" is not that scary to say. At least for me.

Yes, I've called the cops when domestic disputes escalated -- fights between men that got physical, or yelling matches heard between men and women where I feared for people's safety more than the noise concerns. But when it was just display yelling between men and I saw no blows being exchanged, I walked outside and simply said, loud enough to be heard, "Is there a problem? Do you *need* me to call the law?" I'm sure I sounded annoyed -- I was. The person causing trouble left, and the neighbor thanked me for demonstrating to that person that such doesn't fly here.

I just don't understand why people don't have the guts to simply talk things out unless there's a legitimate safety concern. According to this account at least, not a single person of the many he must have been bothering so much bothered to knock, and the noise wasn't happening when the cop showed up. If nothing else, a *faster* resolution certainly would have come from a knock on the door by a neighbor vs waiting for a cop -- whose presence was essentially useless once he did get there and his time was wasted.

meadowlander

(4,394 posts)
95. Maybe luck of the Irish
Wed May 30, 2018, 01:17 AM
May 2018

(assuming that's why you're ginger ).

Again, we don't know that they haven't tried to talk things out in the past and been ignored. And we don't know anything about the relationship between the woman and her neighbours (or their relationship with past tenants who they may not have been aware moved out). And we don't know what her response would have been to a neighbour knocking on the door. She might have told them to "fuck off I'm a doctor and I'll celebrate if I want to".

We tried talking to our country music loving neighbor, multiple times, and his attitude was "it's my property and I'll do what I want". There was no getting through to him. And at a certain point, it stops being my job to make my neighbor obey the law. I don't have the tools for that - but fortunately I pay taxes so that someone else does.

I had about the same amount of luck with a neighbour I shared a balcony with who liked to use my potted herbs as his ash tray. Rude oblivious people tend to remain rude oblivious people even when you bat your eyelashes and say pretty please.

I also called the cops on some neighbours I suspect were dealers who locked their dog in an abandoned van all night every weekend resulting in hours and hours and hours of having to listen to the dog's high pitched distress yelping and howling. As a single woman living alone, it's not my job to bang on the door of a house where motorcycle gang members live and tell them to stop abusing their dog.

I know another case where a Muslim family was living next to a group of young construction workers who would sit on their balcony and throw beer and used underwear at the 18 year old daughter as she tried to walk up the shared driveway to her house which went under their balcony. They would have raves all weekend every weekend until three am, puke on the neighbours driveway, throw beer bottles at their house, etc. It's not that family's job to confront a pack of people who have no respect for them.

It's not about having guts or not. It's about judging whether or not you, on your own, are going to be able to get the point across in that particular situation. And there are lots of situations where perfectly "gutsy" people are not realistically going to be able to make any headway on their own. Nor should they be expected to. That's why we have cops in the first place.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
90. I agree; I lived in dorms and apartments and
Tue May 29, 2018, 07:29 PM
May 2018

it is unfair to blast your music so your neighbors have to listen to it.

Nowadays it is ridiculous, as you can just use head phones.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
105. what about mowing the lawn?
Wed May 30, 2018, 06:13 PM
May 2018

For goodness sake, if you live in a city or an apartment building, you expect noise. And if you don't like something a neighbor is doing, you tell them, you don't call the cops. if you can't stand noise, and you're afraid to talk to neighbors, you would probably be happier on a few acres out in the country. don't inflict your hypersensitivity on the rest of us.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
106. I don't think that applies to music
Wed May 30, 2018, 08:28 PM
May 2018

It is inconsiderate to force other people to listen to it. Just use headphones.

marybourg

(12,618 posts)
31. Anyone who has driven on a busy road
Tue May 29, 2018, 08:20 AM
May 2018

in the last decade or two knows how many people, usually young, are aggressive in forcing others to listen to their loud bass-heavy noise, errr music. I find it interesting that the doctor didn't address the issue of the decibel level of her music. Loud noise has been found to be one of the major stressors in life. There have been many incidents of racial injustice lately, but I'm skeptical that this is one of them.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
44. She did talk about the volume of her music
Tue May 29, 2018, 10:08 AM
May 2018

From the article link in the OP:

I wanted to celebrate by putting some ’90s pop and hip-hop on the stereo. I started singing and dancing around the apartment. When a song had a lot of bass, I turned down the volume so as not to disturb anyone. I had not played this kind of music in a while. If I play it in the car, I often turn it down or off when driving near my neighbors or where I work. Although I hear other drivers blaring loud rock or country music all the time, I know an African American playing my type of music tends to draw negative attention. Nevertheless, this music was what I needed to embrace the joy I felt.
 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
51. That really doesn't address the volume
Tue May 29, 2018, 10:47 AM
May 2018

It says she made a relative change, but from what level to what level.

I posted the city ordinance above. It’s a ridiculous ordnance but obviously what the people there want as a law in their town. If the volume was audible outside her apartment at more than 50db it was technically illegal in that town.


50db is a stupid low level, but it’s what they set in that town.

A conversation at 3 feet is 60-65db, so it doesn’t take much to be a violation in Chapel Hill.

meadowlander

(4,394 posts)
93. Another nitpick, sorry
Tue May 29, 2018, 07:57 PM
May 2018

It depends on whether the noise limit is averaged or maximum. Generally it's averaged over a 15 minute period (or some other period which should have been specified in the rule - the problem with the rule is that it doesn't state an actual noise metric not that 50 dB is unreasonable). 50 dB LAeq is a pretty standard daytime noise limit in a residential area but that doesn't mean that there can't be peaks within the averaged period that exceed 50dB. I'm pretty sure it's an international standard which I'm currently too lazy to look up.

She wouldn't be violating the law necessarily just for having a short conversation with peaks at 60 dB (although I think that's pretty shouty since a vacuum cleaner is 70 dB). It would depend how long the conversation went on for.

Most enforcement officers don't bring a noise meter anyway. They just make a judgment call on whether the noise is unreasonable or not and ask people to turn it down if it is.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
45. I find it interesting that multiple people here have said the officers guns were drawn
Tue May 29, 2018, 10:09 AM
May 2018

If you read the story the officers gun was not drawn. His hand wasn’t even on the gun. She stated his hand was “near” his gun as if that was a threat, but everybodies hands are at the end of their arms and when you stand your arms fall naturally by your hip- where a holster is worn.

So all that was actually presented in the article is that his hand was by his side. Literally.

And from that multiple people in this thread have accused the cop of coming in with his gun drawn. Not threatening to use a gun, not hand in his gun, but accusing him of responding with the gun actually drawn.

Wow.

That says a lot, both about how she attempted to spin it as more than it was by making a big deal about his hand being “near” his gun (was he supposed to hold it behind his back or something) and about some the the deep biases here that people can in their minds not just take from this story that he had his gun drawn but then type it out and post online that he had his gun drawn.

Iggo

(47,549 posts)
52. And what if the neighbor had knocked on the door and explained that instead of calling the cops?
Tue May 29, 2018, 10:48 AM
May 2018

Don't. Call. The. Mother. Fucking. Cops.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
56. Could have done that
Tue May 29, 2018, 10:55 AM
May 2018

OTOH, if the person couldn't leave their house because of little children in bed, or the needs of a sick person, maybe calling the cops seemed like the most expedient solution.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
57. People want to call the cops for everything anymore
Tue May 29, 2018, 11:02 AM
May 2018

They don’t want to ever take any responsibility for themselves or god forbid do anything uncomfortable.

What’s worse is it’s being taught to the next generation. I absolutely HATED these damm parents who would call the cops on their kids for basically being brats, because the parent didn’t want to handle it. Not only does it mean your a shitty parent, but playing the “good Mom-bad cop” nonsense teaches children first to not trust cops and second to call the cops anytime they just don’t want to do something hard themselves.

And it’s being taught even more in the schools. Teachers and administrators don’t want to discipline kids anymore, they just call cops when it gets hard. Teenager won’t put her phone away in class? Call a cop. Child with autism is having a breakdown? Call a cop. Kis with brown skin makes a clock and brings it to class? Call a cop. What does all that teach kids? Call the cops over stupid shit instead of having a backbone and trying to deal with it yourself.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
54. I worked nights for five years.
Tue May 29, 2018, 10:54 AM
May 2018

I had absolutely no problem with going and telling people, usually children bouncing balls right on my bloody bedroom outside wall, that "Hey, I know you just got out of school/it's daytime, but I work nights. Could you guys move it elsewhere/turn it down/etc?"

And since my scary case of bedhead, even if I do still sleep with my still-long hair in a braid, always backed me up... they were understanding.

But you can carry your screaming infant with you when you go knock on the door if they got woken up, for extra effect!

Or, if they haven't woken up yet or you otherwise can't leave, considering it's three in the afternoon and you wouldn't be waking up the on-call management... call the manager! It's their job to deal with excessive noise, NOT the cops.

Think about this. What if that cop called because absolutely no one else (/s) couldn't relay the message to "Turn your music down" besides him wasn't able to respond to a woman getting the hell beat out of her?

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
58. I've called the cops on noisy neighbors
Tue May 29, 2018, 11:10 AM
May 2018

I live in a rural area - or at least it was when I moved here. When the acreage south of us was divided into house lots I had my first noise problem. Someone was playing music so loud I couldn't hear the radio in my barn. I drove over to find two guys working on a roof, with their boom box blaring. I asked them to turn it down and they said "Fuck you, get off our property." I said, "OK, I'll go home and call the cops." They turned it down.

A few years later there was a noise that woke me from a nap, so loud and of such a sound I thought it was a tornado. I checked outside and there were no clouds of that type but I realized it was an engine sound coming from down the hill. I called the cops. Neighbors with whom I had previous disputes (about their Rottweiller running loose in my pastures and chasing my cat) were working on their car engine with no muffler and their garage door open directing the sound at my house. The cops gave them a warning.

The worst was when we were hosting police mounted units from across the state for their annual memorial to fallen officers. Someone down the road was having a party with a live band. The party was a third of a mile away but we could not have conversations on our property. I tried calling the home but although someone answered they could not hear me. The officers who had horses at our barn asked me to call the local cops so I did.

The cops came, agreed the noise was excessive, went down the road and asked the sound to be turned down. Right after I saw the sheriff's car drive back up the road, the sound went back up. I had heard on the sound system from the party someone talk about the cops' arrival and thanking them for coming to the party.

So I called back to dispatch and told them what I had heard and that the music was back up too loud. The dispatcher was unbelieving so I held the phone out the window. Then she could hear the music clearly - remember this is over a third of a mile away! That time the sound went down (still too loud for my taste) enough that the officers on my property could talk to each other without screaming.

Every year for over ten years I had to call cops on the same house. it seems the property owner's birthday was the same week of the memorial service and they wanted to have a party with live bands and loud music every fucking year. Either the guy died, moved away or his closer neighbors got pissed at him. I haven't had to deal with his music for the last ten years.

IronLionZion

(45,425 posts)
60. The problem here was calling the cops instead of talking to the neighbor
Tue May 29, 2018, 01:09 PM
May 2018

I've had this happen several times. Sometimes people don't realize they are bothering neighbors or it doesn't sound very loud but the vibrations shake the wall when there's a lot of bass and a subwoofer. I've politely asked neighbors to turn it down, and neighbors have politely asked me to turn it down. It's a very normal part of life and nobody needs to involve police.

It was a big problem when I had deaf neighbors above me who couldn't hear it but they loved feeling the vibrations. I had to write them a note and they agreed to turn it down.

It's also interesting to see which DUers have lived in apartments vs houses. People are much closer together in big liberal cities. It takes a certain type of person and attitude to handle this effectively.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
107. This generally works if..
Wed May 30, 2018, 09:17 PM
May 2018

you live in a house next to another house and know the neighbors and they aren't assholes.

If you live in an apartment and have multiple neighbors it becomes more difficult. You are in the bedroom and all you can hear is boom boom boom and maybe a little melody. It could be any of 4 neighbors downstairs and 3 upstairs. It can be a little hard to figure out which without getting up and putting on clothes and walking around outside at night. It's a lot easier to call the cops and have them handle it. I have experience with angry drunks and don't want to meet any.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
79. All the comments acting like people would have called the cops just as quickly on Peter Paul & Mary.
Tue May 29, 2018, 02:17 PM
May 2018

People respond differently to some music than other music. Yes it's possible to get the cops called on you when you're playing Peter, Paul & Mary, but it's less likely.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
101. Would you actually call the police about loud music?
Wed May 30, 2018, 04:41 PM
May 2018

I've lived in apartment complexes and buildings for decades, and there were many loud parties, and people played music i didn't like (I do like PPM . I called the police once in 30 years-- when I got home and my front door was broken in.

I would never call the police on a neighbor unless there was some abuse. Police aren't supposed to deal with neighbor disputes.
And playing your music on Saturday afternoon? Huh? You should meet MY neighbor, who -- I swear- whenever I go to sit on the porch and enjoy the day, pulls out the lawnmower and mows her lawn, the part closest to my porch. She is doing this just because she hates me, I'm pretty sure.
Hey, maybe I should call the police on her! "She's mowing her lawn on Saturday afternoon!!!!!"

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
104. There's a lot of stuff to unpack here.
Wed May 30, 2018, 05:26 PM
May 2018

First off, it is very scary to have the cops at your door and I understand that. Having had the cops at my door on several occasions. I understand that it's probably more scary if you are black or some other person of color - my husband happens to be a dark Hispanic.

Second, It was 3 p.m. though which isn't usually a time that someone would expect someone would complain about noise. We don't know for sure who or why someone called the police. They could have been someone white, or not. I could have been anyone that has a baby trying to sleep, does shift work or works from home and needs a quiet environment.

I myself have made noise complaints. Usually for the reason that I don't know the neighbor and don't want to confront someone who might be drunk on a Saturday night when I have to sleep because I need to be at work the next day. I didn't take the type of music or the race or ethnicity into account. I really couldn't even tell where the noise was coming from. It was very loud heavy metal music played after 11 p.m. As for it being because of Biggie, sometimes when it's coming through walls, a lot of loud music, you can't even tell what kind of music it is, it's just loud and you want it to stop when you have to be at work at 7 the next day.

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