Bernie Sanders is sooooooo awesome. And he's considering running for president.

[StrictlyRockers]

http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-considering-2020-run-against-donald-trump-former-campaign-948048

BERNIE SANDERS CONSIDERING 2020 RUN AGAINST DONALD TRUMP, FORMER CAMPAIGN MANAGER REVEALS

BY ALEXANDRA HUTZLER ON 5/29/18 AT 2:26 PM

The campaign manager for Bernie Sanders in his 2016 presidential run hinted that the Independent senator from Vermont may run for the White House again in 2020.

Sanders is “considering another run for the presidency,” but for now is completely focused on his congressional re-election campaign in November, Jeff Weavers said in an interview with C-Span host John McArdle on Monday.

Sanders made waves as the progressive who consistently challenged former secretary of state Hillary Clinton in his 2016 primary bid. His platform largely focused on issues like universal healthcare and income equality.

When Sanders announced his candidacy for president in 2015, he was 50 points behind Clinton in almost every major national poll. But with his popularity among young Democratic voters, he closed that gap and ended up winning 22 states and about 45 percent of the pledged delegates before conceding and endorsing Clinton at the Democratic National Convention.

[sunRISEnow]

1. As an Independent or a Democrat?

[DURHAM D]

18. All depends on which choice gets him more Russian support.

Tad will let him know which way to go as soon he has some meetings in Trump Tower.

[sunRISEnow]

22. Lol. So we are all going to wait around for him to tell us what he wants? Ya.

It is a simple enough question for anyone including Bernie to even suggest a run> Kindly tell us what party. Independent or Democratic.

[Eliot Rosewater]

53. Either way or especially if he runs as an independent it all but GUARANTEES the GOP

keeps the White House.

[sunRISEnow]

55. I do not think so. I do not think he has a foundation of support to accomplish that.

He likes to believe he does and his supporters promote the idea he has that much support. I do not think he does, and it will be an embarrassing trounce. I think it will show the strength of the Democratic Party and all their work over these last couple years creating the blue wave, or helping to build it across the nation.

[Kahuna7]

78. LOL! nt

[Gothmog]

84. Yep

[disillusioned73]

94. See, this is the problem with the russian rabbit hole..

some of yall sound like Glenn Beck dopplegangers..

[NCTraveler]

49. Depends on where the money is at. nt

[sunRISEnow]

52. Surely we Democrats will be told sometime. Really, I find this incredible this man can say

anything about a run in 2020 without being clear what party he will run as President.

I do not care if it is two years away. This man, surely, should be expected to declare what party he will chose in his run.

That should at least be expected out of Bernie.

[NCTraveler]

56. There are zero expectations from his base. nt

[sunRISEnow]

58. I have zero expectation of either Bros, or Bernie, also. This is not about his supporters.

This is about 2020 election and a basic question. Independent or Democrat. If Democrat, I want to hear our party say they welcome him. Because, I do not think they will. That will leave third party. That is a whole other story. He will be a clear opponent of the Democratic Party.

[NCTraveler]

59. He already is with respect to public perception.

He will run as a Democrat if he runs. It's easy for him to do what he does in Vermont. He would be excoriated if he tried it on the national stage.

It's up to the party and states to set rules. Right now there is absolutely nothing that tells me he won't be running as a Democrat. It's where the money and resources are.

[sunRISEnow]

64. If Bernie would stop being coy, then there is a lot the Democratic Party and the base can do

to discourage Bernie's efforts. Nip it in the butt.

[LiberalFighter]

116. From what I understand...

He will file as a Democrat for the primary and then reject the spot and run as an Independent.

[csziggy]

100. He'll do the same thing he does to weaken the Vermont Democratic Party

Sanders to run as a Democrat — but not accept nomination
The Vermont senator announces his complicated reelection plans for another term.

By EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE
05/21/2018 05:40 PM EDT
Updated 05/21/2018 06:00 PM EDT

Bernie Sanders is running for the Democratic nomination in Vermont — but he won’t accept it if he wins.

The famously independent senator, who briefly joined the Democratic Party to run in the 2016 New Hampshire presidential primary only to un-enroll later, officially announced Monday that he would seek a third term in the Senate this fall. He also said that he’ll pull the same maneuver that he did in his 2006 and 2012 Senate races: Running as a Democrat, declining the nomination when he wins and then running as an independent.

The move makes it virtually impossible for another Democrat to seek the party’s nod. And it allows Sanders to loom large in the party primary in August, but still preserve his independence.

But the move also comes at a time when Sanders supporters are pushing for changes to the presidential nominating process as part of the Democratic National Committee unity reform commission. One priority is to open up the party’s primaries to voters who aren’t registered as Democrats.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/21/bernie-sanders-democrat-independent-vermont-601844

If the Democratic Party opens their primaries, that will weaken it so much that we will never elect another Democratic President.

[shanny]

109. Would you prefer he run as a third-party candidate?

[Sunlei]

117. "People suggesting I'm not a young voice for the Democratic Party never end [lol]. "

"People suggesting I'm not a young voice for the Democratic Party never end [lol]. "

Bernie Sanders 5/31/2018

[lark]

2. I feel pretty much the exact opposite.

Bernie running means Dem party split in half and russia and drumpf win, just like last time, Remember Russia and drumpf ran lots of pro-Bernie fake ads to kill Hillary's chances. Hopefully they won't get to do this a 2nd time.

[kstewart33]

37. Bingo, lark.

And Bernie doesn't seem to have learned anything from 2016.

[BannonsLiver]

79. You presume he cares enough to learn

[DURHAM D]

3. .

[samnsara]

4. was this from the onion?

[NCTraveler]

50. That might be where it started...

Now they are running with it.

[comradebillyboy]

5. I really hope he doesn't...

[SunSeeker]

9. +1

[More_Cowbell]

6. I hope more states pass laws requiring releases of tax returns to be on the ballot

I can't believe that Jerry Brown vetoed ours in California, but I have hopes that the new governor will not if the legislature passes it again.

[samnsara]

14. i agree this needs to be one criteria..at least of the DNC...if ya want...

...our $ u need to play by the rules.

[pnwmom]

16. Jerry Brown vetoed that? Okay, then the Democratic Party should make it a requirement.

The state can't tell the parties what they will require to let someone run under the party banner.

[sunRISEnow]

20. I think because it could not be held up Constitutionally. So, you are probably right.

Unless there is a creative way for a state to get it thru.

[Gothmog]

87. These laws are probably constitutional

Trump's tax returns will be released if the Democrats take control of the House and so trump may not challenge these laws.

[sunRISEnow]

88. Okay. Thanks.

[oasis]

17. Any Dem running for president should release TAX RETURNS first. nt

[Gothmog]

86. Maryland has adopted such a law and New Jersey is likely to adopt another law

Christie vetoed the NJ law but now Christie is gone

Sanders needs to run in these states to have a chance and so will have to file tax returns.

These laws also apply is sanders runs as an independent candidate

[Thekaspervote]

7. Bernie shouldn't run.. many reasons

[samnsara]

8. i keep expecting Weaver to be caught up in the Rusher Thing...

[leftynyc]

10. He's free to run as an Independent

Personally if the Democrats allow him to USE our party again for his own purposes, they will die as a party.

[NCTraveler]

11. You covered it all. Fawning as if he were a deity and the WillyT bouncies!

To top is off there is the feigning of ignorance like you just learned he was running.

Really pretty rough shots you are taking at the Bros. A little too close to reality.

[Me.]

19. Boom

[LanternWaste]

23. Crap. Now my brain will refer to them as WillyT Bouncies from now on.

Crap. Now my brain will refer to them as WillyT Bouncies from now on.

You can't un-ring that bell!!!

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

12. Isn't this

a Democrat Website? Why are daily Bernie posts allowed to flourish here? If he wants Dem support, be a Dem. If you cant handle that, then that's fine, but why are there endless Bernie posts allowed on this forum?

[Hassin Bin Sober]

24. Because he has caucused with The Democratic Party for 27 years.

Because he has been a reliable and very crucial vote for Democratic legislature for decades.

Because he has voted with The Democratic Party for 27 years - and voted more consistently with The Democratic Party than a lot of Democrats with a (D) after their name.

Because he is a duly appointed member of The Senate Democratic Leadership.

Because he is one of the founders of The Progressive Caucus in The House of Representatives.

Because he is one of the most beloved liberal progressive politicians in the known universe.

And mostly because the owner of this site says so.

How’s that?

[LanternWaste]

29. No bouncies?

No bouncies?

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

31. So be a Dem.

caucus on Independant Underground?

[kstewart33]

43. Won't work this time.

Not after what happened in 2016.

[NCTraveler]

51. All of that and he won't join.

Really telling. Perfect how you outlined it.

Snake oil salesman going to snake.

[MyNameGoesHere]

68. Because he is one of the most beloved liberal progressive politicians in the known universe

How is that even proven? Please if you want to give the Independent Senator from Vermont props, don't do it like tRump would.

[sunonmars]

26. This, either join the club or go away, you don't use us just when you want to, this isnt a timeshare

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

33. Here here.

the handful of people who merrily post his "news" stories here are predictable.

[MineralMan]

13. No, thanks. He took his shot and failed in the primaries.

He should focus on his Senate term, which will probably be his last.

He lost once. That should be enough to give him the idea that the Presidency shouldn't be his goal.

I can't support another run by him.

Besides, what's with the row of bouncies?

[StrictlyRockers]

21. Bouncies are cool. Bernie is cool, too.

Bernie deserves at least 12 bouncies.

[kstewart33]

44. Neither will most Democrats.

Not after what happened in 2016.

It's been said a million times. But here we go again: If you want to lead the party, if you want all the $$$ and other benefits that party membership provides, but you refuse to join the party you want to lead, then run as an independent or form your own party.

His refusal to be a Democrat should disqualify him from being the party's nominee. There is no way in holy heck that Sanders will get the Democratic nomination.

All his run will do is weaken the party and increase Trump's chances of winning.

Bernie very clearly does not care. The crowds and media beckon. He cannot resist.

[StrictlyRockers]

91. I'm in favor of what works.

I actually think he can win. And I hope he runs. I will volunteer for him again.

[StrictlyRockers]

97. Hey, cool, my post got put back up.

So many Bernie haters just can't wait to vote NO on Bernie. Will you actively try to sabotage him when it's clear that he might win the presidency?

[pnwmom]

15. I thought this was going to be sarcastic.

Oh, well. That's your opinion.

[sunonmars]

25. oh ffs, just no.

[kimbutgar]

27. No thank you

We need new blood and a younger stronger candidate to run against Twitler.

Thanks but no thanks Bernie.

[Hekate]

28. Well, he'll get to run as an Indy all he wants, because he won't get another bite at the Dem apple..

Fool us once, Bernie, shame on you.
Fool us twice, shame on us.

[JCanete]

35. Not sure about the point of the OP, but you don't get to unilaterally decide what we want as

democrats, and he enjoys high favorability amongst us. That doesn't mean his favorable translate into a vote for him in the primary, but I'm not sure who would bar him from running as a democrat.

[anneboleyn]

36. Then HE should BE a Democrat. No more Bernie -- he was a disaster and now look what we have

No way I would vote for him. Ever. He was a huge spoiler in 2016, and he knew it. And if he cares so much about dem issues then stop it with the independent b.s.

[JCanete]

42. he was a disaster how? You have nothing at all to back up your claim that somehow he is the reason

Trump got elected. His voters came overwhelmingly out for Clinton, so what are you talking about?

[KPN]

66. Thank you .

[Hassin Bin Sober]

76. Regurgitated pablum with no basis in reality.

[Gothmog]

90. Ballot access laws will prevent sanders from running

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Sanders has refused to release tax returns and ballot access laws will be in effect in several key states.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

111. Yes JC... Bernie Bashers who would deny him the opportunity to run in the Democratic primary and

encourage him to run as an Independent is a prescription for disaster. If Democratic primary voters want Bernie, or someone else, either way, it's called "democracy"... we should stop living in the past of 2016 and embrace it. Time to move the fuck on!!

[Gothmog]

89. Ballot access laws will apply to indie candidates also

Sanders cannot get onto the ballot in several key states without releasing his tax returns

[blue cat]

30. Not as a Democrat

Maybe you should go post this crap on another board.

[anneboleyn]

38. I'm trashing every Bernie thread. Never again Bernie.

[handmade34]

32. NFW!!!

Bernie should never run for President again!!! he should go back to Congress and do the job he was elected to do

[StrictlyRockers]

34. Not one, single, rec...

:sad face: :anti-bouncy:

[backtoblue]

48. Maybe

If you would've typed "is awesome", instead of "sooooooo awesome!".


Even for Bernie fans, it's not something we, as Democrats would be extremely excited about.

Just my thoughts.

[NCTraveler]

54. Instead of "soooooo awesome"

You should have gone with "dreamy" or found a way to work in an amen.

A couple more WillyT bouncies wouldn't have hurt, either.

[StrictlyRockers]

60. Bernie is dreamy.

In my dreams, Bernie will be our next president. I would definitely settle for Hillary, though.

[NCTraveler]

61. I don't even mock his supporters like this.

You have a mean sense of humor.

[StrictlyRockers]

65. You are good, too.

kudos



Bernie would have won.

[NCTraveler]

67. Bernie did win!

Don't talk about him like that!

[StrictlyRockers]

69. You're right.

I stand corrected. In many literal senses of the word, Bernie's campaign was a huge success and by any measure should be considered a "win" for him and for us and for all progressives. We're in this together, brother!



Thank you for correcting me.

[NCTraveler]

93. Always!

We can never discount his many great accomplishments as a career politician. Dreamy is an understatement!

[MFM008]

39. How exciting.

[Xolodno]

40. In before the 2k posts!!!!

Oh and I call shenanigans.

[smirkymonkey]

113. Sound like a bunch of Bobby Soxers.

[DavidDvorkin]

45. Golly, remember when he was endorsed by a pigeon?

That was such a wonderful moment. I have no doubt that that beautiful little winged ball of feather-wrapped shit was sent down from Heaven as a messenger.

Etc., etc.

[StrictlyRockers]

62. Bernie is magical, he makes the birds sing. He's like Dr. Dolittle.

Rex Harrison is slightly more distinguished.

[QC]

46. HE'S A MEANIE!!!

[Demsrule86]

70. Anyone who helps Trump win a second term would be way worse than a meanie in my book.

[beachbum bob]

47. Another waste of energy and focus...

[MuseRider]

57. No word from Bernie

just a statement from a former campaign manager. Around here that is a perfect reason to get all stirred up. Batting the hornet's nest. Ridiculous.

[StrictlyRockers]

63. I could not resist.

This place is so pokeable sometimes.

[MuseRider]

72. Sometimes?!

Nothing like the name BERNIE to stir things up. Like the above comment, it is the Nadar wars all over again.

Once a group of people fall "in love" rather that just support ( and this goes for all sides) it becomes like a whack a mole game in slo mo, easiest thing in the world to stir it up.

[Snotcicles]

71. Akin to Nader drive-by's. nt

[MuseRider]

73. I just hope it

does not last as long. Something tells me there is far too much meat left on this bone still.

[StrictlyRockers]

74. Well, I just feel like we should put more energy into attacking our enemies than our friends.

People here really love to attack Bernie.

[MuseRider]

75. I agree

But it was not his turn so he will never get off easy here.

[StrictlyRockers]

77. pithy

well said

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

107. You got that right Rockers... the Bernie haters need to get over 2016 and move on.

We've got bigger fish to fry to defeat the Racist-in-Chief in 2020 and Bernie has the right progressive agenda... his time has come.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

[SidDithers]

80. DU rec...

Nicely done.



Sid

[LovingA2andMI]

81. Until Bernie Sanders Explains...How The Heck This Happened And He Did Not Warn or Tell His....

African-American Supporters (FORMERLY INCLUDING OURSELVES)...We Are DONE with Him. DONE|.

As There Is NO WAY Bernie Sanders or his Campaign Did Not Know About Bruce Carter's Actions After He Flip-Flopped On The So-Called #BlackMenForBernie "Movement" (The Air Quotes Are On Purpose)....

"Breitbart News landed an election scoop that went viral in August 2016: “Exclusive: ‘Black Men for Bernie’ Founder to End Democrat ‘Political Slavery’ of Minority Voters… by Campaigning for Trump.”

If the splashy, counterintuitive story, which circulated on such conservative websites as Truthfeed and Infowars, wasn't exactly fake news, it was carefully orchestrated.

The story’s writer—an employee of the conservative website run by Steve Bannon before he took over Donald Trump’s campaign—spent weeks courting activist Bruce Carter to join Trump’s cause. He approached Carter under the guise of interviewing him. The writer eventually dropped the pretense altogether, signing Carter up for a 10-week blitz aimed at convincing black voters in key states to support the Republican real estate mogul, or simply sit out the election. Trump’s narrow path to victory tightened further if Hillary Clinton could attract a Barack Obama-level turnout.

Bannon’s deployment of the psychological-operations firm Cambridge Analytica in the 2016 campaign drew fresh attention this month, when a former Cambridge employee told a U.S. Senate panel that Bannon tried to use the company to suppress the black vote in key states. Carter’s story shows for the first time how an employee at Bannon’s former news site worked as an off-the-books political operative in the service of a similar goal.

Carter’s recollections and correspondence, which he shared after a falling-out with his fellow Trump supporters, provide a rare look inside the no-holds-barred nature of the Republican’s campaign and how it explored new ways to achieve an age-old political aim: getting the right voters to the polls—and keeping the wrong ones away.

“If you can’t stomach Trump, just don’t vote for the other people and don’t vote at all,” Carter, 47, recalls telling black voters. It’s the message he says the Trump campaign wanted him to deliver. “That’s what they wanted, that’s what they got.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-05-29/inside-the-pro-trump-effort-to-keep-black-voters-from-the-polls

[Hassin Bin Sober]

110. Wait. What? Bernie is supposed to send you a memo when some loser decides to get paid?

[Blue_Tires]

82. I thought it was already a foregone conclusion?

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Why is "considering running" newsworthy?

Hell, even *I* am "considering running"...


Some free advice so he doesn't get rocked in the primary again:

1. Keep your criticisms of the party, party leadership, and party failures to the bare minimum... And remember you are NOT running against Hillary or Obama so they will not be effective rhetorical punching bags four years later... KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE TARGET WHICH IS TRUMP...

2. Fucking *FIRE* the loonies and nutbars in your campaign and your inner advisory circle because they are killing your likability by association in addition to planning shitty strategies... While they did accomplish some good things, please remember it wasn't the DNC or superdelegates or whatever that sunk your race, it was THOSE motherfuckers, and you know the ones I'm talking about.

3. For the love of Christ, please KILL the goddamn term "establishment" -- It's good for a gimmick, but can only be used once. The term is vague, dumb, and one of those Trumpian ploys to generate artificial anger at some unspecified nebulous "other". Nevermind the fact that by any measure you are as "establishment" as it gets, so own it... Americans are desperate for a return to normalcy and the old formerly-derided status quo, they are not looking for a "Trump from the left"...

4. For the love of Christ, please STOP propping up that long-debunked election talking point about "economic anxieties" being the prime motivator for Trump voters when it was all just a genteel way of saying "racism"...

5. You're going to have a headstart advantage over everybody -- Lock up the black vote FIRST, and don't fuck it up because you cannot win without it and there is still a lot of simmering unpleasantness from the primary campaign and your people pissing on Obama and denigrating/attacking high-profile black pundits on Twitter. A lot of trust has to be rebuilt and you should get started now...

6. You're going to have a headstart advantage over everybody -- Lock up the south FIRST, and don't fuck it up... You're already known in the rust belt and the Washington-Boston corridor, but lack of name recognition in the south (and your people pretending you didn't need the south to win) was a disaster...

7. For the love of Christ, please STOP bitching and moaning over superdelegates, voter registration deadlines and closed primaries and let the states exercise their authority to decide for themselves... For all your bullshit about democracy and concern for voter rights, your motives are transparent and it only looks like you want to remove the things you perceived as obstacles in 2016 for your personal benefit with no thought given to long-term implications...

8. There's more of course but this is a start... NOTE: If any of Bernie's staffers are reading this thread, believe me when I tell you that you ignore this list at your own peril.

[comradebillyboy]

92. I've never seen Sanders acknowledge error so I suspect

your good advice will go unheeded.

[Blue_Tires]

96. AND NOT EVEN A DAY LATER THEY BEAUTIFULLY ILLUSTRATE MY POINT:

Link to tweet

[FSogol]

102. #9 Release your taxes as promised. n/t

[Gothmog]

83. Sanders will have to release tax returns in several blue states

Maryland had already adopted a ballot access law that will require the release of tax returns. New Jersey and California had previously passed such laws but these bills were vetoed by governors who are gone or will soon be gone.

To get onto the ballot, sanders will have to actually release tax returns.

[StrictlyRockers]

85. I am in favor of transparency.

open all the books

[Kentonio]

95. Excellent

He’ll have my complete support again.

[StrictlyRockers]

98. Go Bernie

you rock, dude

[Aristus]

99. For a self-described progressive, he sure seems to like helping Trump win.

I was a huge admirer back in the GWB era; he was a staunch progressive voice when we needed one most.

Now he seems to enjoy simply being a spoiler, like Ralph Nader.

He's going to throw shade on whomever the Democrats nominate, and bleat that there's no difference between the parties; as if there wasn't forty years of irrefutable evidence to the contrary.

[democratisphere]

101. .

[liberal N proud]

103. Another party splitting move.

[DonCoquixote]

104. Cue Jill Stein trying to make him go indy

with plenty and plenty of Russian money.

[Renew Deal]

105. He would lose again

[nini]

106. Good.. he's gonna have the hell vetted out of him this time

Then maybe he'll fade away forever.

[MrsCoffee]

112. Yep. Time to show the tax returns.

No way in hell he is going to survive the digging into his wife's college deal or money that went to family members. Not to mention the foot high folder opposition research the GOP has on him. All of the things he escaped because of the full court press against Clinton (which he was a part of).

And people still want answers about Tad Devine and Russia.

[shanny]

108. Good.

[DFW]

114. From the OP's title, it wasn't clear if this was a snarky satire or meant in earnest

I guess that in itself says more than anything else I could add.

The usual suspects had the usual comments, I see.

[StrictlyRockers]

115. Exactly

It's mostly just a troll post, but go Bernie. Bernie will win. When it becomes clear that he will win, I hope that people will be ready to jump on the bandwagon and not try to sabotage him out of hateful spite.