Wypipo, brace yourselves, it's going to get worse before it gets better.

[NCTraveler]

All my opinion, nothing else.

Historically the path to positive change for minorities has been to change the hearts and minds of white people. It has been done by way of grassroots movements, strong leaders, and the formation of coalitions that had to be recognized. It had to be done that way as white people controlled every single thing. They made all of the decisions. Very often those decisions were not in the best interests of minorities yet the movements continued.

Things are now transitioning. Minorities voices, numbers and power are gaining ground on the majority. They are taking power and being supported by millions. We are headed in a direction where power structures are changing. It will take a couple of more decades to truly realize but dramatic changes will happen along the way.

Demanding help is no longer the core of the argument. Hoping tomorrow is better is a thing of the past. Taking power and making changes is today’s game. Increasing the number of minorities in high levels of the corporate world and government is where it’s at.

We are seeing it. Some understand it. The numbers are shifting and we see a clear path where oppressed groups are no longer going to have to ask for help. They are going to be the change themselves.

Many wypipo are going to lash out along the way, for reasons more obvious than they want to admit. They inherently fear being treated as minorities have been treated. They don’t see how this will liberate us all. They only think in terms of self.

So as minorities and those of us who support a more just society keep fighting, white folks need to plan on some shots coming their way. No wypipo are being lynched. You’re going to be ok. Your privileged status is set in stone for the next couple of decades.

As this change happens, the thrashing of whites will be epic. There will be more Charleston’s. The March and the church. There will be more overt praise for people like Trump and Roseanne. There will be more Zimmerman’s. More tax cuts for the rich.

Wypipo, you think you have reason for offense? That is a clear sign that you have no clue what oppression is. We are at a boiling point. This boil is going to become more rapid before it cools.

We roll with Jessie Jackson, Elijah Cummings, and Obama. The oppressors roll with people like Trump, David Duke, and the Paul’s.

Get over the gross generalization of wypipo. They have made themselves legitimate targets as they are the oppressors. People really seem to be scared shitless of the transition occurring. If you are on our side then pack away your little hurt feelings and understand the depths of our white oppressors. Defining names will be made along the way. Simply get over yourself and deal with it.

The path toward equality isn’t going to be guarded by beautiful roses and smiles. The oppressors, almost all having one thing in common and are a formidable group. Their institutional significance will be dwindling in the coming decades.

If this term has you upset, brace yourselves. You aren’t ready for what is coming. Equality.

[ck4829]

1. K&R. One can be white without being a wypipo IMHO

You call 911 because you simply see a black person? You're a wypipo.

You're afraid of MS-13 and Muslims but are insulted when someone reminds you it's not either of those groups shooting up schools, churches, movie theaters, etc.? You're a wypipo.

You say minorities are lazy and you don't have a job because of them and you get by on mooching and welfare... but you earned it unlike minorities? You're a wypipo.

You never lived in the 1950s or if you are a Roy Moore voter, before the civil war, but you think they were totally awesome eras to live in while 2018 sucks in comparison despite advances in antibiotics, vaccinations, indoor plumbing, air conditioning, and Twitter? You're a wypipo.

You think kneeling "disrespects our national symbols" and that's what protests are about but shrug your shoulders when someone waves a confederate flag or a Nazi flag alongside that national symbol? You're a wypipo.

You screamed "No, ALL LIVES MATTER!" when someone had the gall to say that black lives matter but when you have a chance to apply that scream to real life when it comes to refugees needing help, you run away? You're a wypipo.

You turn "Press 1 for English" into something that demands revolution? Yes, you're a wypipo.

And I'm white by the way.

[elehhhhna]

7. One can be black and not a nword. Rascists been claiming that excuse for years.

With that, I'm out.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

31. Not the same thing, not the same ballpark, not even the same fucking sport. nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

56. Yup yup... sounds like something wypipo say.

[Roy Rolling]

83. Reasonable African-Americans, Too

Race-based generalizations and labels are the problem. Equal and opposite racism is not the solution. Terms like wypipo is in that category of derogatory labels for a race. Forums like DU are for enhancing communication, not putting up barriers.

[moriah]

38. Thought exercise:

1) How does racism towards black people, such as the use of the n-word, affect the lives of black people?

Traditionally several answers are given. Employment discrimination evident from resume response research, redlining, defacto segregation and poorer schools in poorer/blacker neighborhoods if your city is particularly segregated from historical redlining, disproportionate convictions and sentencing, etc.

2) How does racism from black people affect the lives of white people?

While the professor who uses this generally gets no response, she provides one answer for them to think about:

Fear.

And thus, they call the cops when they could probably have walked over and talked to someone, out of fear.

One of her lectures. Her theory, at least from my observation of Southern white folkways, appears true.

[TCJ70]

84. There's always a few "good ones", right?

I can't believe people don't see how the defense of wypipo is a defense of a race-based slur.

1. It's a re-spelling of white people
2. It only has negative connotations (racist, bigot, apathetic, etc)
3. It's only used to describe people of one particular skin color
4. If you disagree with the use of the word you are then labelled with the word (someone said that to me in another thread)

I guess disagreeing with race based insults makes you racist now somehow...

[ollie10]

96. add to that, it is not exactly effective

it gives their targets too easy a way to fight back

[mercuryblues]

180. if you

do not do or say racist things, then you are not a wypipo. Roseanne is a wypipo, trump is a wypipo. Do you act like trump + Barr? No? Then you are not a wypipo.

The lady who called the police on the black family BBQ in Oakland, she is a wypipo. Do you call 911 because a black person is too close to you? No? Hot dickity dawg. Press that I am not a wypipo button, you are not a wypipo.

Do you call the police when a black student dozes off to sleep in a common room of her dorm? No? Congratulations!! You are not a wypipo.

[EffieBlack]

88. "Wypipo" describes specific attitudes and behaviors. Please tell us exactly what "nigger" describes.

[moriah]

101. I'll, if you really want me to share, explain the way my NotRacist(tm) father....

... tried to use that one, but I'm sure you know. And I don't even know if he could even merit the Not in that until far later on in his life (been dead nearly a decade) -- he was poor white trash and knew it and didn't apologize for it, and Southern. So.

The particular issue that I always pointed out was that someone had to "prove themselves" to him first before he saw them as not that, which is why he was a racist shithead and not to use that fucking word around me, or anyone, and preferably to remove it from his vocabulary.

From my brief exploration into the origins of the usage of "Wypipo", people have to prove, quite conclusively through their behavior, that they are Wypipo before given that designation. The opposite of my father.

[EffieBlack]

110. You totally get it.

[whathehell]

204. No kidding..That's what all DUers know and abide by here..

The questions is, why are white DUers now being treated differently?

[elehhhhna]

209. Tools of a divisive agenda or trolls, bullies, not sure.

This new racial epithet is okay because why?

[whathehell]

214. Very possible

and it needs to stop.

[oberliner]

22. Doesn't the word "racist" describe a person like that?

[gollygee]

28. Racist people almost always claim they aren't racist

"How could anyone possibly think I'm racist????" The word appears to have been made to explain that mindset. It must be maddening for people of color to point out to people when they're being racist and so often have the racist people come back with, "How dare you call me racist!" You called the police on people having a cook-out, Becky. LOL. I am not surprised they've come up with a word to describe that phenomenon.

[EffieBlack]

91. No, it doesn't

If it did, there would be no need for the term "wypipo." We would just say "racist."

[bettyellen]

126. Effie, you know they'd rather have you shout "Micro-agreesor!" because it's ....

I really don’t know, but I know a bunch of people would be out complaining sociology isn’t actually a field of study. LOL.

[gollygee]

151. They hate discussion of microaggressions just as much as the word "wypipo"

At least, that's my memory of previous threads about microaggressions.

[bettyellen]

168. And when you make a joke about it, as in tweeting about Wypipo, that's not mild enough either.

In the end they want to be angry and call the thought police. End the discussion entirely.

[gollygee]

169. Shutting down discussion of racism that might make lead to discomfort is always the end game. nt

[EffieBlack]

182. The word isn't the issue. The goal is to circle the wagons around fellow white people

and protect them from ever being accused of not being pure as the driven snow.

WHENEVER we point out instances of racism or microaggressions or privilege, we get the same reaction usually from the same people. They're not upset about the word. That's just an excuse. They do not like it when minorities speak our truth in any way that does not give them full credit for being our "allies."

It's very simple.

[elehhhhna]

210. Read the Op title and explain whether or not it's provocative of civil discussion.

[EffieBlack]

215. It's provoke numerous civil discussions

notwithstanding repeated but, fortunately, unsuccessful, efforts by certain people to disrupt them ...

[gollygee]

221. .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing

[mythology]

23. Think how stupid it would sound if I used any other slur

Oh you're a black person, not one of those other black people. Oh I didn't mean to say that you're cheap, I meant those other Jewish people.

The nonsense people will convince themselves of is astounding.

[iwillalwayswonderwhy]

142. My husband is English and I live in England now

When people complain to me about immigrants, I remind them that I am an immigrant.

“Oh, but that’s different”, they tell me.

Because I am white and speak English.

[whathehell]

205. Exactly..

and the rationalizations and justifications fall flat.

[EffieBlack]

246. Yes, that would be stupid. Almost as stupid as that analogy.

[EffieBlack]

35. Boom!

[azureblue]

43. who is this wypopo

he speaks of? I'm Italian - am I a wypopo? I got an Armenian buddy - is he wypopo? My neighbor is Irish, is he wypopo? Are you saying that all wypopos look and act alike? Speak up.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

60. Could be, could be, could be (though not necessarily) and no.

[JustAnotherGen]

77. Popo?

No - that's the police as in -
Call the popo! Call them on me!

[JustAnotherGen]

80. PS - if you are IN Italy - it depends

My husband is Italian, a green card holding immigrant - we actually own homes there.

I know the Calabrese don't consider themselves to be white (He doesn't) due to their strong Greek and Eastern African mixing over the past three millennia.

Sicilians IN Italy I've known and loved - acknowledge their north African roots.

But- Americans who are OF Italian descent by several generations - are actually white.

It was a survival mechanism of their ancestors in America. By becoming 'white' - and other black people - they increased their whiteness much in the same was as the Irish did.

[Bok_Tukalo]

45. If you punch Richard Spencer in the face at Trump's inauguration, you are one as well.

It is a racial pejorative for white people.

Leave it to the safe spaces for bigots; don't bring it here.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

58. If you punch Richard Spencer in the face you're a goddamned

American hero!

[Eliot Rosewater]

127. Well done. or as we used to say RIGHT ON

[PufPuf23]

222. That is the exact same argument used by many racists.

One can be black without being an n-word. I have heard that argument repeatedly most if my life.

Get the idea but there must be more productive and less divisive methods.

The current obsession at DU is a divisive waste of space.

[Tavarious Jackson]

2. Death throes

As the country changes the death throes will get worse.

[Bok_Tukalo]

3. At this point, the word is like the CSA flag, to me;

a means by which a bigot defiantly identifies themselves as such.

[NCTraveler]

5. Yeah, just like the CSA flag.

[Bok_Tukalo]

11. If I see someone display it,

... they are telling me what they are. In that sense, yes.

[gollygee]

17. I feel that same way about people

who complain when oppressed groups of people get upset about their oppression and poke back at the people oppressing them. It sounds to me like, "How dare you not know your place!"

[NCTraveler]

20. I guess I understand.

I have similar thoughts toward those acting to be offended by wypipo.

[Bok_Tukalo]

24. The inevitable tautology

<OPE>

[NCTraveler]

136. "the word is like the CSA flag, to me"

[Cuthbert Allgood]

19. Loss of privilege is often a hard thing.

But you can do it. Really.

[whathehell]

208. Um, one "hard thing" it doesn't include is tolerating race-based slurs

Try reading the DU rules. They expressly forbid the use of "disrespectful nicknames" for ANY racial or religious group. Sorry about that.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

34. You really identify with that term, don't you?

#notallwypipo

[Bok_Tukalo]

37. The inevitable tautology

<OPE>

[Dr Hobbitstein]

49. Of course, you could come to the realization that the word has nothing to do with you.

But those who decry the word loudest seem to think it’s analogous to a word that was historically used to opress a minority group of people.

It’s not. Get over your privlege.

[Bok_Tukalo]

52. I understand your childish Catch-22

As for the rest of your straw, I suppose it is frustrating when someone doesn't make an argument you really want to refute.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

65. I'm not the one trying to compare a taunt aimed a white racists

to actual oppression of people by same said racists.

That’s on you.

[Bok_Tukalo]

70. Neither am I so I understand your frustration

<OPE>

[Dr Hobbitstein]

72. Oh? Is that not what this says?

Bok_Tukalo
3. At this point, the word is like the CSA flag, to me;
a means by which a bigot defiantly identifies themselves as such.

[Bok_Tukalo]

73. No.

<OPE>

[Dr Hobbitstein]

75. .

[whathehell]

111. Why must one slur be completely analogous to another to qualify as offensive?

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One could argue that using the word "chinks" for Asians is not as inflammatory as using the N- word for Blacks, but it's still racist, and therefore unacceptable on this board.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

123. I'm not the one who was arguing it was.

Wypipo is not racist. But it's certainly starting to out them.

[Eliot Rosewater]

128. If I was a slot machine you would win the jackpot.

[whathehell]

138. Um, and does that mean that if someone calls black men "thugs"

we should allow that & expect the offended to simply "realize that the word has nothing to do" with them?...I'd guess not.

Maybe you should 'get over'your double standard.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

148. NOT the same fucking thing, AT ALL.

Maybe you should get over your privilege.

[Bok_Tukalo]

156. You get to determine whether someone else's concern is valid?

Convenient.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

170. Don't know of what you speak...

Maybe you're responding to someone else.

[whathehell]

194. Really?

and why would that be?

Hint: Posting in CAPS and using "fuck"will NOT advance your argument.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

196. Are white people historically oppressed by black people?

There's your fucking answer.

[whathehell]

199. Should white people be made to "pay" for an unjust system they

didn't create, don't endorse, and actively fight against?

There's your 'fucking answer'.

[EffieBlack]

201. Oh come on, Doc. Not a single Wypipo living today ever had slaves

So why keep bothering them with all that racism stuff?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

202. Ha!

[whathehell]

203. Calling me a "fucking wypipo"

Is that the best you can do ?

[Cuthbert Allgood]

247. You benefit from it.

As do I. Don't act like privilege isn't a thing.

[whathehell]

248. Less than you I expect, but that aside, what's the answer?

Can, and should, whites "pay" for unasked for privilege by accepting abuse?

In the same vein, are women entitled to abuse men for their privilege?

Do either of these things sound workable?

[marble falls]

39. Because the Rebel Rag represented racist, race based way of life and wypipo represent a racist, ...

race based way of life. I agree with that. All the injustice swirling around you and possibly being called wipipo is whats stuck in your craw?

Pulling back from any ideals you might have about race reconciliation because of the word wipipo is a mistake.

[whathehell]

198. The fact that injustice #1 is worse than injustice #2 does

not make injustice # 2 "okay"..
We are all supposed to be treated as individuals here. White DUers shouldn't be made to "pay" for an unjust system they didn't create, don't endorse and don't participate in.

[marble falls]

74. If you equate a PoC's use of wipipo with the white supremist use of the Rebel Rag you are ....

trivializing the Civil War, the rebel Confederacy and life in the US for PoC.

They are no way in the same league. Why does the possibility of being a wipipo upset you so much?

[Bok_Tukalo]

79. I did not equate them; I said they are both signalling devices.

Not sure about the rest of your post. It wasn't coherent.

[marble falls]

82. The same way an M-80 and a pib are fireworks...

What part of "They are no way in the same league. Why does the possibility of being a wipipo upset you so much?" is not understandable?

[whathehell]

206. All ethnic/racial,/religious slurs are not equal -- That doesn't mean

that some (or any) are "okay".

One could, for instance, credibly argue that the word "chinks" as applied to Asians is less inflammatory than the N-word as applied to African-Americans. That said, it's STILL racist and impermissible here -- The DU rules clearly state there be "no disrespectful nicknames".

Instead of asking " why does the possibility of being a wypipo upsets you"? maybe you should ask yourself why you need to use a race-based nickname.

[marble falls]

207. Let's be honest here: On good 10 degree scale of offensiveness, the "n" word is an 11, and wypipo...

is about a -1.

The "n" word and "wypipo" come from two completely different places. 500 years of slavery and oppression vs a joke about whypipo maybe 4 or 5 years ago. BE honest: who's life would you want to live in the 1950's: an average PoC or an average wypipo?

That PoC have made incredible progress in taking ownership of the word is a beautiful thing. But there is still a certain segment of wypipo who think their use of the word is an OK thing and that if another doesn't think so so then he shouldn't be calling wypipo, wypipo.

That wypipo'd be like wrong about that.

[whathehell]

213. What part of "We are not comparing" do you still not understand?

This isn't a "comparison contest". Of course the N- word is worse but your claim that "a certain segment of white people still think it's okay to use", clearly does NOT apply to the white people here on DU, so WHY is it appropriate to "punish" them with a disrespectful nickname?

[EffieBlack]

217. Who is "we?"

Because I see a whole lot of people lined up on your side of this discussion doing exactly that.

[marble falls]

218. First: calm down or we can't talk. Second:""punish" them with a disrespectful nickname" .....

please, PLEASE, puh-leze make being called a wypipo the absolute worst thing that ever happens to me.


And my life is pretty sweet.

[whathehell]

219. Lol..I'd suggest it''s you who needs to "calm down".

and I'm not sure we can talk in any case, since you keep refusing to acknowledge the simple point I've been making throughout several posts now.
Again: It does not MATTER whether "being called 'wypipo' is "the worst thing in the world" or not. What matters is, it's divisivive, offensive, and against DU rules, and THAT is enough to make it unacceptable. Period. Full stop.

[elehhhhna]

4. Equality is not gained by being shitty to each other.

[gollygee]

6. Equality is gained through protest

It certainly isn't gained by being sweet and accommodating.

[dsc]

8. Yeah I remember vividly reading about MLK calling white people juvenile names

no wait I remember no such thing.

[gollygee]

9. Different people protest in different ways

And MLK was not at all accommodating to white people. The memory of him has been whitewashed to make him appear less threatening, and that whitewashed recollection is often used to try to silence people of color when they protest.

[dsc]

12. I didn't say he was

I said he avoid calling people juvenile names which he most certainly did. He certainly didn't have kind words for white moderates for example. But they were reasoned words not juvenile insults.

[gollygee]

13. Not everyone who protests has to protest in the style of MLK. nt

[dsc]

16. and not everyone will be as successful as he was

I think he is a pretty good role model for successful protesting, apparently you don't, and that is fine.

[gollygee]

18. Strawman

I never said I don't think he was effective. It's possible for different tactics to both be effective, and in fact it can be powerful for different people to attack the same problem in different ways.

[EffieBlack]

93. Because Dr. King was the only successful protester?

Dr. King was actually a small player in the protests. Big in the sense that he was often the most visible face. But other people - such as Bayard Rustin - actually played a larger role. There were also many protests and other activities that he wasn't directly involved in. And the movement wasn't all protests. Many, many other activities came into play.

The protests are what people glom on to because they've seen the films of them and that made an impression. And Dr. King is the face and end-all-and-be-all to many people. But the almost obsessive focus on Dr. King as THE leader of the civil rights movement belies a lack of knowledge of what it really was all about.

[NCTraveler]

25. The civil rights movement...

Covered a lot more than that which you have read. That is clear. The names were thrown around constantly. Non stop.

And King often referred to them simply as “white people” “oppressors” “hate filled”

[dsc]

29. really I am sure you can show me a citation of MLK calling someone a juvenile name

note I am not saying he didn't have severe critiques of whites especially white moderates, but I would dearly love a citation of him calling someone a juvenile name. I am quite sure I will be waiting quite some time for that citation. He had reasoned critiques, often deservedly harsh, but not this juvenile name calling.

[NCTraveler]

40. I never made a point of contention to your topic line.

Just the opposite, actually.

I wouldn’t mind going back to what MLK did in defining white people as the problem. He often used no qualifier at all.

That said, it puts a huge topic under a microscope as a means to ignore the larger movement.

Let’s roll with the many times MLK simply encompasses all white people as the problem. I’m good. Birmingham jail letter.

[dsc]

78. This is what you wrote

The names were thrown around constantly. Non stop.

[Tipperary]

41. Exactly.

Thank you.

[EffieBlack]

36. Yes, let's all be like Martin Luther King

Oh, wait a minute. Most white people were scared shitless of Dr. King back in the day before someone shot him in the head and they turned him into a milquetoast hero that made them feel better about themselves instead of freaking them out as he actually did.

[NCTraveler]

42. To many whites he is all that's known about the movement.

And for many of them all that is known is what whites have written in books.

The same people would be completely offended if they knew how many times MLK defines whites as the problem with absolutely no qualifier. One would think that would bother them more than the more defined use of wypipo.

[EffieBlack]

61. Dr. King had a wicked sense of humor

And like many black Baptist preachers, he frequently poked fun at “white folk” in private (and often while in the company of his white friends, who totally got the joke).

I have no doubt that “Wypipo” would have cracked him up.

[NCTraveler]

94. Can you imagine how devastated those upset by the term wypipo would be....

If they had to go through the things that were hurled at Leslie W Dunbar?

Really tells me all I need to know about them. I truly believe that no one who is fighting for equality can be offended by the term wypipo. Mr. Dunbar would have walked in a second if he had the mentality of these people.

Who is in the trenches with us? That's what I want to know. I think the reaction to this term tells us a bit about that.

[EffieBlack]

97. If "wypipo" is enough to make people threaten to walk away from the movement

They weren't with us in the first place.

[dsc]

85. again if you can find a citation of him engaging in juvenile name calling I will with draw my post

good luck with that though. Funny though for all the lecturing you have been doing about privilege you seem to be blind to your straight privilege that was on displace when Joy Reid's comments were being discussed. I wonder why that is.

[EffieBlack]

90. My family was close to him and his family

So, you'll just have to take my word for it.

Or not.

Whatever.

And we're not talking about Joy Reid right now. But nice try.

[dsc]

105. yeah because we don't dare call out straight privilege

only the privilege you care about.

[Eliot Rosewater]

130. I know, right! This is pissing me off, now they are using MLK USING USING

Martin Luther King to make the point you cant use a word that we know now what it means?

Fuck that.

[Tipperary]

92. This latest thing on du is ugly.

Good thing most dems do not call each other names, or we will never have a chance at winning. Republicans must love watching this nonsense.

[EffieBlack]

95. Yes. Because if it weren't for the big Wypipo controversy, Democrats would agree about everything

[Eliot Rosewater]

131. Of course, dont you know it is all your fault!

Hey, if we have any "nose holders" chiming in on this I am going to LOSE MY FUCKING MIND

[whathehell]

216. Yes, but, apart from the question of what needs to be "protested" on DU

name-calling is not protesting.

[gollygee]

220. It sure can be

Trump supporters calling people "snowflakes" is a kind of protest. When police officers were called "pigs" it was a form of protest. A protest is a way of expressing disapproval, and it can absolutely be done in a variety of different spoken methods, including name calling.

[whathehell]

223. Not on DU it can't..

and it shouldn't.

[gollygee]

224. It obviously can. nt

[whathehell]

225. Really?.. How so?

[gollygee]

226. People are using the word at DU to express disapproval. If it is happening, it can happen. nt

[whathehell]

227. People are questioning and debating it's use right now

..It's not a 'done deal', and arguments in it's favor are losing ground.

Generally speaking, name-calling is NOT an effective means of protest..Sorry if that disappoints.

[gollygee]

228. It's happening

You can try to hide the posts but they don't seem to be getting hidden. People's arguments in GD aren't what decides anything. It's mainly the juries, though you could complain in Ask the Administrators as well I guess.

And humor is a very effective means of protest, and "wypipo" was created as a humorous term. Though name-calling alone can be an effective means of protest on its own. Making fun of people in power is a great way to deflate power.

[whathehell]

229. Nah..Trying to happen is not "happening"

and as to posts hidden, a responder to mine already has been. Humour?..Race-based humor is rarely funny.

Since you never did tell us why Black DUers need to call White DUers names, you might want to explain that now...How does that "protest" DUers?

I think we all know that It's got nothing to do with "protest" It has to do with bigotry, resentment and "getting even"

[gollygee]

230. The protest is wider than DU

It's a natural response to something African Americans are experiencing. It's a humorous way to express disapproval over a kind of racism - and I think specifically people who think they aren't racist but do racist things or say racist things.

It has nothing to do with getting even or anything like that. It appears to have started out of a humorous way of expressing frustration or disappointment. Like, "Oh God not this again." You're reading an awful lot into it. You should Google and see how it's used.

The issue I have is that I don't think it's reasonable to ask African Americans to police themselves and not use a word that is in common usage in the African American community and has no level of power behind it. I think their comfort in expressing themselves here with the same words they use everywhere to describe their lives in our racist society is more important than white people's comfort to not have a powerless silly humorous word used because it feels icky to them.

[whathehell]

231. Race-based name-calling on DU is what we're discussing HERE.

We can't decide on whether blacks and whites respect or disrespect each other in the "wider' world, we can only determine how we'll talk to each other here....Get it?

[gollygee]

232. This place does not exist independently of the rest of the world. nt

[whathehell]

235. The "rest of the world" includes Fox News and Trump too

should we start following their example too?

[gollygee]

237. DU is for Democrats

African Americans vote overwhelmingly for Democrats.

[whathehell]

240. Yeah, but guess what?. Democrats are White People too!

You see, African-Americans may vote overwhelmingly for Democrats but their party can't win with ONLY their vote..They need white votes, just as we need black votes, so what does that tell you?
It tells me that we'll just have to get along, and I'm guessing name-calling won't help that.

[gollygee]

241. This argument has been had about 15 times so far

so go back through the threads to read that argument again.

[whathehell]

242. What argument?

I've no idea what you're talking about about.

[gollygee]

243. About whether African Americans saying "wypipo" is going to drive away Democratic votes. nt

[whathehell]

245. Um, didn't see those, and while I'm not sure there's a direct link,

risking a Democratic victory for a cheap laugh or a little race-based "payback" does seem a bit foolish to me, so I'll just leave it there.
Buh bye, Golly.

[procon]

233. If it's so humorous to use a racial slur, did you laugh at Roseanne Barr's 'joke'?

Don Blankenship, a Republican in West Virginia, tried running racist campaign ads using the term, “China people”, and he was slammed by the news media across the country for race baiting. Is it intended to be funny when that racial taunt is targeted against people here in DU who rightfully object to the use of divisive and hateful racial pejoratives?

If using that racial insult is considered a high-five accomplishment, you might want to rethink your strategy.

[gollygee]

236. I'm not worked up about the Roseanne Barr thing

Again, it's about power structures. A woman calling another woman that doesn't have a lot of social power behind it. It's rude but whatever.

And within our country's racial caste system, there is absolutely no power behind people of color using the word "wypipo." It isn't a big deal. People are getting very worked up over something that has no social power behind it. A white person calling people "China people" has social power behind it. There's a horrible history of racism against people from China and Chinese-Americans in the US. The context of that history changes things.

[procon]

244. That's a very narrow framing.

Yes, it is about power, but when people are throwing out race based barbs, they don't get to tell their intended targets that the word isn't "a big deal" after they complain that it is offensive to them. It's not like the invention of "wypipo" comes with a built in asterisk or a popup disclaimer listing which sort of bad white people are being hectored at any given moment. That "wypipo" is a slur that has the same intended effect as when that bigoted Republican used his insulting "China people" remark.

[NCTraveler]

10. Some of the oppressors feelings might be hurt along the way.

It’s simply insignificant and oppressors are trying to act like victims. My thoughts and prayers go out to them.

Yeah, some little people will feel like others are being mean to them on our path toward equality. It’s bound to happen. It is not an impediment toward equality. It’s known that it will happen.

[NCTraveler]

21. Show me in the op where I said or insinuated it would be.

Straw man.

[Tipperary]

32. Some people seem to enjoy it, unfortunately.

I have trashed more threads in the last month than I can count. Also have put several posters on ignore, which i never did before. It certainly has improved my du experience.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

62. Tell that to wypipo!!

[ehrnst]

69. Actually, it takes a whole lot more than that. Read up on MLK and Ghandi. (nt)

[Eliot Rosewater]

133. If I have learned ONE thing on the internet the last 12 yrs or so it is

non POC haul MLK out when they want to make a point AGAINST black communities.

Most non POC know very little about him, as well.

[get the red out]

15. I am white and

I have been welcoming demographic change for quite some time. I believe it will enable our country to be a much better place for everyone.

[PubliusEnigma]

26. Sadly, you aren't ready for what is coming, either.

Perhaps, only our children's children born into this new world will be able to appreciate it without carrying the wounds of the past.

There is no prejudice in a real melting pot.

[Mr.Bill]

89. My children's children

are having children. Some of them are multi-racial. This makes my family smile.

[NCTraveler]

144. I'm not only ready.

I'm on board.

"There is no prejudice in a real melting pot."

Sure there can be. Absolute thoughts often fail absolutely.

[standingtall]

27. Making generalizations that include

white allies in among the oppressors of minorities isn't going to be an effective strategy.

[BannonsLiver]

46. I don't think the OP has much use for or interest in "white allies"

[Bok_Tukalo]

48. Didn't "White Allies" win the tournament in 2017?

<OPE>

[BannonsLiver]

50. No that was 2016

[elehhhhna]

211. 1945

[marble falls]

47. I'm a "white ally" and that word doesn't offend me. I am amused by anyone who is. Take that ...

offense and use it think about what that few seconds of offense mean in relation to 500 years of the black experience here in the new world.

[standingtall]

54. The wypipo does not offend me either

but if it simply means white privilege which means white people have it easier than other people which is true than it should not be confused with white supremacy. All white people including allies are privileged compared to minorities and that is not through their own doing. So when it is said that wypipo are the oppressors that includes all white people among the oppressors including allies.

[marble falls]

66. Good points. There is no doubt: I depend on my white privilege without even knowing it ....

And anyone who thinks a stone racist is just a wipipo or that a wipipo is a stone racist is wrong.

"So when it is said that wypipo are the oppressors that includes all white people among the oppressors including allies." That "all" is assumed by wipipo and that I think is where the butthurt they feel derives. What they need to look into is where the automatic assumption of "all" comes from inside themselves.

A wipipo is a person who sends money to UNCF and then stands behind the curtain when he calls the police about a PoC walking in his neighborhood as "suspicious." A wipipo may well have vote for Obama but when he drives home he avoids the black community because "its dangerous."

[Dr Hobbitstein]

57. I'm a one of those "white allies" you refer to.

I’m not offended by the term because it’s not about me. YMMV.

[standingtall]

59. When did I say the term wypipo

bothered me? See my explanation of what I was referring to in my previous post.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

64. Wypipo is not all white people.

Did everyone here miss the black stand up comedians of the 70s-present?

This isn’t about you. This isn’t about me.

[standingtall]

67. If wypipo means white privilege than

yes it is all white people sense all white people are privileged compared to minorities.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

68. It's. Not. About. You. nt

[EffieBlack]

154. My grandfather had a very soft voice

When he said grace, he was barely audible. Whenever someone said “I couldn’t hear you,” he said, “That’s ok. I wasn’t talking to you.”

Same here.

[EffieBlack]

98. Not an effective strategy, how?

Will the fact that an anonymous person on an online discussion board type "wypipo" make "white allies" not want to fight for justice anymore?

[standingtall]

100. Read the series of my post I had above this

particularly post 54.The word wypipo by itself is not what I take issue with.

[Eliot Rosewater]

134. Reminds me of folks who said we had to give them a reason to do something.

I cant mention what that "something" was, but you know what I mean.

[safeinOhio]

30. Ignorance.

Half of the White population have no or little interactions with other cultures. They do watch TV, so I would suggest a reality show about Driving While Black. 2 cars rigged with cameras and sound recorders. One car with a couple of white guys and the other with 2 men of color. Same car and same age. The one with the White guts will have a license plate light out, the other 100% legal. Have them drive the same streets at 2:00 AM.
I don’t think I have to say anything else.
The beginning of the show should include a reading of the 4th Amendment.

[EffieBlack]

33. This is absolutely brilliant and beautiful - and freshly stated

Perhaps you could get it published as an op-ed somewhere?

Bravo!

[betsuni]

44. K&R

[cwydro]

51. Lol.

[procon]

53. Jessie Jackson, Elijah Cummings, and Obama would cringe

at the thought of being associated with any group that promotes racist tropes and deliberately tries to provoke strife and animosity. Those well respected men got it right, but the current provocateurs have a long way to go to match their stature and leadership.

[jmbar2]

55. I'm OK with the change

First time I saw WYPIPO, took me a minute to get it. Thought it was hilarious.

Being on the lower SES of WYPIPO, I know that gains in equality and justice make this a better nation for all of us. Please proceed...

[hlthe2b]

63. Wypipo...

March 25, 1965 · Selma Highway, Alabama
Viola Gregg Liuzzo, a housewife and mother from Detroit, drove alone to Alabama to help with the Selma march after seeing televised reports of the attack at the Edmund Pettus Bridge. She was ferrying marchers between Selma and Montgomery when she was shot and killed by a Klansmen in a passing car.


August 20, 1965 · Hayneville, Alabama
Jonathan Myrick Daniels, an Episcopal Seminary student in Boston, had come to Alabama to help with black voter registration in Lowndes County. He was arrested at a demonstration, jailed in Hayneville and then suddenly released. Moments after his release, he was shot to death by a deputy sheriff.


March 11, 1965 · Selma, Alabama
Rev. James Reeb, a Unitarian minister from Boston, was among many white clergymen who joined the Selma marchers after the attack by state troopers at the Edmund Pettus Bridge. Reeb was beaten to death by white men while he walked down a Selma street.


June 21, 1964 · Philadelphia, Mississippi
James Earl Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Henry Schwerner, young civil rights workers, were arrested by a deputy sheriff and then released into the hands of Klansmen who had plotted their murders. They were shot, and their bodies were buried in an earthen dam.


April 7, 1964 · Cleveland, Ohio
Rev. Bruce Klunder was among civil rights activists who protested the building of a segregated school by placing their bodies in the way of construction equipment. Klunder was crushed to death when a bulldozer backed over him.


September 30, 1962 · Oxford, Mississippi
Paul Guihard, a reporter for a French news service, was killed by gunfire from a white mob during protests over the admission of James Meredith to the University of Mississippi.


January 10, 1966 · Hattiesburg, Mississippi
Vernon Ferdinand Dahmer, a wealthy businessman, offered to pay poll taxes for those who couldn’t afford the fee required to vote. The night after a radio station broadcasted Dahmer’s offer, his home was firebombed. Dahmer died later from severe burns.


April 23, 1963 · Attalla, Alabama
William Lewis Moore, a postman from Baltimore, was shot and killed during a one-man march against segregation. Moore had planned to deliver a letter to the governor of Mississippi urging an end to intolerance.

Robert F. Kennedy June 6, 1968 assassinated

[ck4829]

71. A result of wypipo murdering good white people

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10677186

[Tipperary]

81. Good post.

[EffieBlack]

112. These people weren't "wypipo"- but some of them (not all) were murdered by wypipo

[hlthe2b]

115. EffieBlack, you are among my favorite DU posters.

But to me, any term used in a derogatory way based on a generalized physical feature like skin color is problematic to me. Some will see it as amusing, yes. Some will get past it or not be bothered by it, yes. And perhaps it doesn't matter that some won't.

I guess I just want bad behavior to be called out for what it is--specifically and in a way that can be addressed.... Just my opinion... Judge on the content of character, not the color of skin...His words ring as true today as when I heard them for the first time.

Maybe I'm naive or just plain wrong. Too old to change.

[BeyondGeography]

76. Demographics won't save us if we alienate people we should otherwise connect with

[stonecutter357]

86. K&R !

[jalan48]

87. But what will our corporate overlords say?

[Locrian]

102. they're laughing their asses off - another divisive topic to keep us distracted - nt

ivisive

[jalan48]

103. That's about it. Let's watch them squabble among themselves.

[Locrian]

109. maybe we can come up with a name for the 'corporate overlords' that we could *all* get behind? - nt

[jalan48]

189. I think some are perfectly happy as long as the overlords are "diverse".

[Locrian]

193. lol - nailed it! - n/t

[heaven05]

99. ++

[Thomas Hurt]

104. The white right have become what they have been trying to pin on minorities for decades....

The right has been paying lip service to self reliance, self responsibility, hard work..blah, blah.

Turns out now they are proclaiming the same victimhood they say minorities were guilty of...

Is it congenital that conservatives are such massive users of projection?

[Inkfreak]

106. booooooooooooring.

[whathehell]

107. If "wypipo" are only white racists, why address them here on DU?

Shouldn't you be posting on Free Republic instead of DU?

Why would you be addressing white DUers as "racists"?

[Tipperary]

113. Certain folks here consider themselves better than others.

Trying to gain some kind of cool “cred” I think.

[whathehell]

116. Then THEY should be called out, not the entire white DU membership

I think racial animus is expressed by this type of race-based "nickname" and should be made unacceptable, not least of all because they are, as "disrespectful nicknames" expressly forbidden by the DU rules themselves.

[Tipperary]

163. Thank you.

[whathehell]

195. You're quite welcome.

[Eliot Rosewater]

135. What an absolutely HORRIBLE thing to say about some fantastic liberals who post here

HORRIBLE, disgusting

[Tipperary]

164. Hit a nerve there eh?

It is ok for some here to call others names, but not everyone.

Interesting.

[Eliot Rosewater]

166. Nerve? The only NERVE around here is YOU implying what you just implied ON TOP

of the other stuff.

good bye...

[DavidDvorkin]

114. Good point.

[whathehell]

117. Thanks you. n/t

:

[melman]

158. What's funny is

if you look at all the 'wypipo' threads you'll see the definition is always changing. Sometimes it's not all white people, other times it is...whatever's convenient at the time basically.


But the reason for the threads is simple. The people that use the term know it's offensive, and they know some will object. And when someone objects, then that person is attacked. That's the purpose of the threads.

[Chemisse]

181. Exactly. And those who object are then deemed to be 'wypipo'.

It's childish, caustic, and pretty much the opposite of a 'serious conversation about race.'

It is a shame that we can't have discussions about race that further our understandings about each other in our shared quest for equality in this nation.

[whathehell]

192. Yes, I think you're right..

It's an example of what was once known on DU as "stirring shit up" and it's intent is hostile.

[elehhhhna]

212. That is the question of the year.

[The Mouth]

108. It's a better term than 'cracker'. This Irishman thinks it's kind of funny

and accurate and appropriate to describe the type of 'I'm *NOT* a racist' twits who call the cops on POC when they BBQ or are moving in.

OTOH, as with any other epithet, insult - or weapon for that matter - once you deploy it do not expect any constructive dialog, de-escalation or resolution by means other than force or coercion. Sometimes insult and escalation *is* the answer, but I can see how it would 'trigger' some folks I know and grew up with, indeed that is the only place where an analogy to the 'N' word is possibly accurate: once you use it shit's going to get real and someone might well get their ass kicked, fired or sued.

Personally, I think it's funny and pretty appropriate to the kind of twit like BBQ Becky or the neighbors who called the cops on POC using a BnB, but I have a pretty high tolerance for such stuff, both from privilege and a sick sense of humor.

[whathehell]

118. Yeah, & I could think of some anti-black and anti- hispanic slurs that

"aren't as bad" as others, too, but it doesn't make the less insulting ones "okay".

[The Mouth]

120. Meh. I think the term is counter productive, don't get me wrong

but hell if I'm going to tell anyone to not use it.

As I said, I think anyone using it *to* someone they consider it to describe had better get ready for things to escalate instead of resolve. And personally I dislike *ANY* insult, going back to anyone not addressing *ANY* President as the President, be it "Tricky Dick" or the various childish names for Trump, but OTOH folks who have it worse than me gotta let off steam I guess. If you want to crusade against the use of it go ahead; I've been called far worse and just laughed at the person. To me it's a microcosm of the stupidity of many of my fellow progressives thinking that they will change the mind of a single Trump voter by calling them 'stupid' or 'racist' or any other insult; anyone with a brain knows that you've NEVER changed somebody's mind by insulting them, but no one listens to me anyway.

Regards

[whathehell]

129. Meh, I think so too..

but if you think it's counterproductive, I don't know why it would be "hell" to suggest they not use it, but whatever.

[Sophia4]

119. 75% of Americans are white.

https://www.infoplease.com/us/race-population/population-united-states-race-and-hispaniclatino-origin-census-2000-and-2010

And many, many of us support equal rights.

My ancestors supported equality as do I.

Ask yourself. Did your ancestors fight for the Union in the Civil War?

Did your ancestors block roads so that slave-hunters could not easily enter the North to do their dirty work?

Is your family racially mixed?

If your answers are "No," then stop being jerks to the many on this website, white and Black who can answer "yes" to those questions.

Fight your foes, not your allies.

Put your lives where your mouths are.

Don't mean to be rude, but history is history. Rejoice in what is positive. Appreciate all who support and agree with you. Don't be rude to your allies. And they won't be rude to you. People who vocally and physically support equality deserve gratitude, not insults.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

124. Nobody is fighting allies.

But a bunch of out of touch white people are certainly getting their knickers in a twist by a word created by the big oppressive black community...

[Sophia4]

125. About 13 % of the population.

It's a tough battle.

Without really good relationships with allies, it cannot be won.

And right now, African-Americans need to pull a lot more weight if they are to win.

Insulting your allies is not a smart thing to do.

These posts on DU are kind of out of place.

It's not DUers who need to be won over. Most DUers are on board with African-American equality from the get-go. It's not that the topic should be taboo. It's just that the posts should assume that readers are on board and not assume that DU readers are the enemy.

[NCTraveler]

143. The community we are fighting for is more along the lines of 40% of the population.

Sorry to break that to you. The battle is changing daily. The battle isn't depended as you have outlined and seem to wish.

"And right now, African-Americans need to pull a lot more weight if they are to win. "

Transparent. Really transparent.

[Sophia4]

149. https://www.infoplease.com/us/race-population/population-united-states-race-and-hispaniclatino-origi

63.7% of the population is white as of 2010.

Only 12.3% is African-American.

The Hispanic population has grown from 12.5% to 16.3% between 2000 and 2010.

African-Americans remain a small percentage of the overall population of the US.

Everyone should have equal rights. Everyone.

That includes African-Americans no matter how small a percentage of the overall population they make up.

Goes for people of Hispanic heritage also. I live in California. White people are only about 51% of the population here last time I checked. We live in harmony. Nobody disses anybody else based on race. My neighborhood is increasingly mixed, and I am happy about that. My family is also mixed.

You don't end racial discrimination by talking about it constantly. You don't encourage harmony by sowing seeds of dissonance constantly.

DU is probably the last place that needs a good talking to about race. I personally avoid the posts that are very aggressive on the subject because I do whatever I can in my personal life to increase opportunity for all and to end discrimination.

But preach on if it makes people feel good. I just think maybe DU is not the most productive field in which to sow the seeds. I think posts that assume that everyone supports equal rights are probably more productive.

Assuming we all support equal rights, equality, what is the next step? What do we do about it? How do we make our beliefs reality? How do we live and work together in harmony? Words and phrases that divide people are counterproductive on a website that is dedicated to the values of the Democratic Party which include equal opportunity and which despise discrimination.

In fact divisive words here are probably a distraction from the real work we all should be involved in -- building a country in which discrimination is a thing of the past -- along with slavery and indentured servitude and chain gangs (in most states).

I had the percentages about race in California wrong and corrected myself on edit.

[EffieBlack]

145. Did you really write "African-Americans need to pull a lot more weight if they are to win?"

And THEN instruct us not to insult our allies?

Right here is where black people look at each other, shake our heads and say, "Wypipo."

[Dr Hobbitstein]

153. .

[Dr Hobbitstein]

152. Delete your post.

It's fucking disgusting, and is WAY out of place on DU.

[Sophia4]

159. The real world is disgusting, but no one can delete the truth.

Did I say anything false in my post?

It's reality.

When it comes to race, we have a problem that is much larger than just coining cute but very nasty words for people who offend us.

We have a problem of compassion and caring and of helping others.

It is the job of every person who wants to encourage equal opportunity and equality to promote love and compassion, caring and empathy, not hate.

Some of the posts I read on DU promote hate. I'm a woman, a 75-year-old woman who remembers when we women who did well in school could choose between being secretaries, nurses or teachers. No other openings were available. So I know how it feels when society puts a leash on your ambition and hopes. But lashing out at people who are on your side is not the way to get that leash removed from your neck. Go ahead and try to pull away from the leash. It won't work. You need allies. You don't need to offend your allies. You need to get them to work for and with you.

Calling others names, thinking up nasty names for people who are basically on your side is, at the very least, a waste of time.

Martin Luther King did not waste his time making up nasty names for his allies. Rather he prayed with them, marched with them, spoke with and to them and built strong alliances. Until finally it was a Southerner, Lyndon Johnson who signed the Civil Rights bill.

It takes patience, but all people of good will need to work together if we are to make the world better. Think before you write. Will what I write lead toward a better world, or is it just an expression of my frustration. Write from a healing place, not from a divisive place.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

165. Wow. Your version of history is some whitewashed wypipo bullshit.

Women didn't get to where they are now by "being nice". Total fucking bullshit. Sometimes you have to be honest. And being honest is often times NOT being nice.

[EffieBlack]

171. And Lyndon Johnson didn't sign the Civil Rights Act because Dr. King prayed with white people

But, ok ...

[Dr Hobbitstein]

188. Yes, they all prayed and lived happily ever after in a world where the black man was nice and polite

to all the white folk. The end.

BULL. SHIT.

[procon]

239. Where's a great deal of space between being nice or insulting.

Being honest does not require the use of racially biased slurs, unless of course the primary intent is to actually be insulting.

[Chemisse]

183. I agree that most DUers are 'on board' and should not be presumed to be enemies.

However, I disagree that AA's can't 'win' without pulling more weight (not sure what you meant by that, except maybe that they need to pull in more people) and winning over allies.

Allies don't need to be won over or wooed. We believe in equal rights for all and are offended by injustice. Period. In fact 'ally' may be the wrong word for it, as if we are on the sidelines, supporting someone else's cause.

This cause belongs to every human being who believes in equality, dignity and justice.

[EffieBlack]

186. Thank you!!!

[tonedevil]

184. What does this mean:

African-Americans need to pull a lot more weight if they are to win.

[Sophia4]

187. They really, really have to get out and vote.

African-Americans had a huge impact in Obama's elections because they voted like it really mattered. They voted their hearts out, and Obama won.

I was doing election protection and one of the precincts was to a great extent African-
American. The enthusiasm was palpable. It was wonderful.

African-Americans voted in large numbers.

This is the Pew Research article on that.

The black voter turnout rate declined for the first time in 20 years in a presidential election, falling to 59.6% in 2016 after reaching a record-high 66.6% in 2012. The 7-percentage-point decline from the previous presidential election is the largest on record for blacks. (It’s also the largest percentage-point decline among any racial or ethnic group since white voter turnout dropped from 70.2% in 1992 to 60.7% in 1996.) The number of black voters also declined, falling by about 765,000 to 16.4 million in 2016, representing a sharp reversal from 2012. With Barack Obama on the ballot that year, the black voter turnout rate surpassed that of whites for the first time. Among whites, the 65.3% turnout rate in 2016 represented a slight increase from 64.1% in 2012.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/12/black-voter-turnout-fell-in-2016-even-as-a-record-number-of-americans-cast-ballots/

Clearly the fall of about 765,000 votes, depending on where the voters were located, might not have swung the vote for Democrats, but it made a difference.

Note that white voters voted more in 2016 by a tiny percentage than in previous elections. We all have to vote. That is especially true for minorities. On many issues, members of minorities, whether religious or racial or sexual preference, etc., should remember that their vote is extremely important to insure tolerance and a healthy society -- to fight against hate.

[Eliot Rosewater]

137. I just read someone WARNING you that you better not insult your allies

because if you do they might not vote for democrats but might vote for RACIST KILLERS

There is NO other way to read that. NO OTHER interpretation

I wlll NOT respond to them, I want to believe they ARENT HERE

[Dr Hobbitstein]

150. In which case, they would not be allies, and never were in the first place... nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

161. Absolutely!

Fragility of the folks is such that you will be told you must not upset them if you want them to show up and vote for the NON fascist traitor among other things.

[Sophia4]

185. There is a difference between "not upsetting" people and downright insulting your

friends. A big difference.

And, right or wrong, people will refuse to vote based on some minor hurt or insult.

It's politics after all.

I expect my family to put up with my mistakes and bad moods.

But to succeed in politics, we have to be very careful that we truly respect everyone. We should not dismiss others even if in our view they are more privileged than we are.

It's partly a question of the numbers. We have to have a majority or we lose even if it is a majority of the electoral college.

[Sophia4]

160. Please read my post #159.

[NCTraveler]

141. The answers to those questions are insignificant.

This is true deflection. Really not flattering deflection.

"Don't mean to be rude, but history is history."

Don't mean to be rude, but stop living vicariously through your ancestors. Wow. Truly nothing to do with anything as a means of attack.

I'm actually impressed.

[Eliot Rosewater]

162. You actually had someone say that black folk best mind their-selves if they

want any help from, uh, you know (I am getting sick and fucking tired of having to speak in half sentences)

[brer cat]

121. Outstanding post!

K&R

[MariaCSR]

122. Right on!

[philly_bob]

132. I hate WYPIPO

Is that the banner the Democratic Party wants to carry into the 2018 elections?

Is it even acceptable to say that on DU?

Admins need to take a stand on this divisive topic.

[NCTraveler]

139. "Is that the banner the Democratic Party wants to carry into the 2018 elections? "

This is the first I have ever heard of such a thing.

Is it even acceptable to say that on DU?

Seriously?

https://www.google.com/search?q=wypipo&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com

"Admins need to take a stand on this divisive topic."

Lolz

[Eliot Rosewater]

140. Who says it is divisive, I am a white liberal and I dont mind the word AT ALL

but I do know who it applies to, so there is that

[EffieBlack]

146. Because God forbid any divisive topic appear on DU.

[gollygee]

157. Everything is not centered on the comfort of white people

It's OK to be uncomfortable with something. That doesn't mean it has to change.

[fescuerescue]

191. DU is the only place I've heard this slur used

let alone embraced.

So I guess the answer to your question is yes.

[DBoon]

147. The change will not exclude liberal whites

Voting Democratic, participating in marches does not mean you will be isolated from the change.

This isn't just about Trump voters - the current living standard of US whites is founded on centuries of slavery, followed by peonage and oppression.

Ending this legacy and achieving justice means all whites will see their economic and political privileges leveled.

[EffieBlack]

155. And therein lies the problem

[Tom Rinaldo]

197. It is interesting to look at South Africa for insights

None can deny the oppressive nature of the Apartheid regime where a relatively small percentage of whites ruled over a majority black population. When the ANC and Mandela established a legitimate government there, they faced a huge challenge regarding how to counter the economic privation of the majority population without crashing the national economy in the process or setting off a sever cycle of counter social unrest and/or flight from the nation by whites who disproportionately had the skill sets and capital needed (due to systematic oppression of non whites) for the nation to prosper.

I would welcome more discussion here of how illustrative the South African model might be for us as we move toward becoming a nation that is majority non white.

[Exotica]

234. South Africa is racially tearing itself apart yet again, this time from the other side of the

scale being the power that is out of control.

Not a good model to emulate, whether is what the horrific, racist, white power apartheid system, the intra-racial murderous infighting within the black side, or the present shitstorm of Zimbabwe-style unpaid land expropriation being attempted. Julius Malema of the EFF gains more power each year, and if his party ever gains control, it will be a nightmare, but they already are having an effect of further radicalising the ANC.

[Eliot Rosewater]

167. Is it a coincidence those who support NON democrats also have the hardest time with this word?

[philly_bob]

172. The Democratic Party: WYPIPO not welcome

Look, you guys made up the term.

I'm not resisting it because I am ignorant of history or because I seek restoration of some past era of privilege. I'm resisting it because a) it's dumb and b) it's divisive.

[Eliot Rosewater]

173. LOL oh my god, YOU GUYS made up the term? LOL

Divisive ONLY if one falls into the category of being one.

[TCJ70]

174. There are people in another thread proudly owning the label...

...https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210678670

Of course, they maybe don’t know what it means? The OP seems to but claims it anyway. There’s clear confusion about the word and it’s definitely not helpful.

It’s:

1. A respelling of “white people”
2. Only used to degrade, insult, and shut down others
3. Only used to describe people of one particular race
4. Applied in some really uncertain circumstances (I had someone tell me I must be one since I object to it on the grounds of it being a race based insult, which I disagree with in general)

If there was a word like this describing not all, but some, of a non-white group it’d be decried immediately here as it should be. It’s a problematic word on many fronts.

[Eliot Rosewater]

175. I wish non POC would ...never mind, cant say it here, privilege and all

[The Mouth]

179. It should work well in reinforcing the base of both parties in what they believe

That's my guess.

Trump is a better divider than anyone on our side. If people make it all about race then so be it, but it might not work out so well outside of the big cities and liberal enclaves. Doesn't matter directly here in CA, but the blow back might not be good. Wipipo went from prey to predators in the 300 years between 1000 and 1300.

[samnsara]

176. sooo am i a wypipoe first or a wywoman first?

[Tom Rinaldo]

178. I agree the changes you speak of are happening

Some will be greatly threatened because, in part, fears are easily stoked by those who find that it suits their right wing agenda for people to be fearful. I think you describe it well, and your time frame is realistic. Now we are still in a relatively early stage of transition. I suspect some on the the right, with friends in places like Russia, see an opportunity in pushing the envelope sooner rather than later - while people of color are still collectively in a clear minority.

You wrote: "Historically the path to positive change for minorities has been to change the hearts and minds of white people." Your commentary is astute, although there have always been H. Rap Browns, Malcolms and Black Panthers in the mix as well. I agree the older approach to justice is and should be shifting. But it should never be extinguished entirely because a society divided will not stand (to paraphrase Lincoln) even when the white population crosses over into the minority. I see that future as one rich in possibilities for all of us. It will take some people of compassion and vision of all hues to help usher in that day relatively peacefully.

[fescuerescue]

190. yes. I have a feeling that a few more ethnic slurs will be invented

Because we can't be equal unless we have a slur encyclopedia

[LeftInTX]

238. We got a Wypipo in the WH, we got a Wypipo majority supreme court

We got a Wypipo Senate
We got a Wypipo House
We got Wypipo running the state of Texas.

We got rich Wypipo who keep getting richer.

We got Wypipo running too much.

Wake me up when it "get's worse" for them, cuz right now it seems like it is getting worse for non-Wypipo.