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Archae

(46,301 posts)
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 07:34 AM Aug 2012

Why do creationists still have such pull?

Seems every time I turn around yet ANOTHER political group wants to force creationism into public school or fund religious schools that teach creationism.

In Kentucky, my cousin visited the "Creation Museum," and got thrown out.
He asked too many questions there that had to do with *GASP* actual science.

Most Biblical myths are no longer accepted, I mean, how many nowadays say someone hit by lightning was "struck down by God?"
How many still say earthquakes are caused by "the wrath of God?"

Yet the outmoded, and discredited belief that "God created everything" is still very popular.

Why?

I think the biggest reason, (not the only one,) is that science scares the shit out of fundys.

We know the most successful animals ever to walk the Earth, dinosaurs, were wiped out by the big splat 65 million years ago, leaving all that room for mammals.

It could happen again, with a different group of critters.
And that scares the shit out of the fundys.

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baldguy

(36,649 posts)
2. Because powerful people with a lot of money have a vested interest in keeping the masses ignorant.
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 07:58 AM
Aug 2012
 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
4. The world's still young, only 6,000 years old. Dinosaurs were on the ark. The Bible says so!
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 10:59 AM
Aug 2012

Actually, it says neither, but it DOES say to eat shell fish is an abomination.

Johonny

(20,818 posts)
5. because there is a huge amount of $ to be made
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 11:24 AM
Aug 2012

Honestly the big creationist don't seem ever to be very convinced by their own garbage. It is the same way when you listen to those big mega-church TV evangelists. They don't believe that crap their selling but it sells. Why is there still a huge market for religious fundamentalism in the USA. I think most people trace it back to the original colonists that were largely people seeking religious freedom and very religiously conservative. Throughout US history there has always been a subculture of religious grifters taking advantage of the fundamentalist nature of Americans. I think it waxes an wanes and it hasn't always been "bad" as religious fundamentalist certainly help drive social reform in the later parts of the 19th century. Of course it also lead to grifters like Joseph Smith.

I don't think science scares the shit out of fundys. They clearly love modern technology like radio, TV and the internet because it helps them make more $$. The clearly love mass production of products to sell their followers. Once again if creationism was the norm of science and evolution was seen as counter to societal norm and profitable to market, I have no doubt they'd be selling evolution like no tomorrow. You can't sell societal norm to people that you are selling religious fundamentalism because the underlining message of Christian religious fundamentalism is that normal society is sinful, and the wrath of God is coming to those that don't conform (a Judeo-Christian philosophy that predates Jesus) and those in the right standing will be saved or rewarded. Creationism is basically a convenient counter normal society idea that is easy to mass market, relate to the bible and sells well. Thus it fits in well with the fundamentalist message. If counter gravity theories were marketable to the same level they'd sell them too.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
9. Because thinking is hard, complex things are difficult to understand, the actual size, scope and
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 03:53 AM
Aug 2012

age of the universe is frighteningly huge, and it's way easier for some people to live inside a 2-D cartoon they were taught in sunday school than it is to actually have to try to comprehend reality.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
10. "God created everything" has nothing to do with either evolution or creationism
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 04:54 AM
Aug 2012

Either the operating system of the universe just is what it is, or it was invented by some entity or entities. Either way, science proceeds from there and doesn't deal with the question of how our particular operating system came into being.

The existence or non-existence of a greater power has no bearing on the scientific method, which only assumes that the universe operates according to consistent laws, and that we can get increasingly reliable information about them by asking falsifiable and testable questions. There is no conceivable scientific answer to the question of whether or not the operating system of the universe had an author, or whether it just exists. Asserting the existence of a higher power does not add anything to scientific inquiry, but neither does it subtract anything from it.

The problem with creationism (and Intelligent Design is just another version of it) is not that it posits the existence of a higher power, but that it posits constant diddling with an inadequate system by said power, with the explicit intent of promoting biblical literalism at some level. Intelligent design is more appropriately called stupid design, because it assumes that a higher power smart enough to invent the operating system of the universe is nevertheless too stupid to get the job done right the first time -- the universe is still and must always be in beta test mode.

The computer analogy is modern, but the basic idea certainly isn't. Newton personally believed that God could and did intervene in the workings of the universe to keep the planets on track, but his minister friend Thomas Burnet strongly disagreed. In the 18th century they used clockwork rather than computers for the analogy.

"We think him a better Artist that makes a Clock that strikes regularly at every hour from the Springs and Wheels which he puts in the work, than he that hath so made his Clock that he must put his finger to it every hour to make it strike: And if one should contrive a piece of Clockwork so that it should beat all the hours, and make all its motions regularly for such a time, and that time being come, upon a signal given, or a Spring toucht, it should of its own accord fall all to pieces; would not this be look'd upon as a piece of greater Art, than if the Workman came at that time prefixt, and with a great Hammer beat it into pieces?"


And that's far from the oldest assertion of the concept. Augustine of Hippo and several Islamic scholars had similar notions. For a long time many theologians have thought that constant diddling with natural law by its creator would automatically imply that the creator isn't very bright-a notion very much at odds with traditional concepts of God.

The bottom line is that the proposition put forward by proponents of Stupid Design, "Biologists haven't explained everything yet," does not happen to be a scientific theory at all. George Gilder, a long-time affiliate of the Discovery Institute, has even admitted as much, being on record as saying "Intelligent Design itself does not have any content." And if you believe in a creator deity, characterizing that deity as a third-rate engineer is bad theology as well.

And it you don't, of course, the concept is unnecessary.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
11. People want to believe they were put here for a reason not just by accident because of a particle
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 04:55 AM
Aug 2012

or whatever that landed them here on earth.

 

ChickFullofHate

(26 posts)
13. Ignorant fearful people are easier to control
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 05:47 AM
Aug 2012

Much of what we see today is a direct result of the Southern Strategy, where over 30 years ago states in the bible belt started to cut education significantly and today the dividends are finally paying off.

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