Are you against the death penalty?

[DainBramaged]

Shop Rite parking lot Northern NJ a few minutes ago. Bought my meager staples and just as I closed my door a Ford gallon a mile Crown Vic with it's trunk lid COVERED in Pro-Life, Star 99.1 (the super-secret I am a Christian bumper sticker for the local Christian radio station) and anti-Obama stickers pulled a couple of cars away. I waited for her to get out and asked her, are you against the death penalty.


It stunned her. 60's minimum. Smoker. Marlboro pacs on the dashboard. Car was dirty and dented. She stared at me and couldn't answer for an instant. "What are you one of those Muslin Liberals?" (that was a new one) Her exact words as if she was spitting at me.

Muslin, like the cloth?

Silence

"Jesus believed in Everlasting life for all, not just for the unborn".


"What do you know about the Bible faggot, all of you will burn in Hell". Vile almost spitting at me now walking towards me.

Really? So I assume you're for the death penalty even though you are against a woman's choice?


"Fuck you faggot God will punish you."

Is faggot the operating word for you when you can't understand the concept of life for all, or is it you're simply a hateful piece of shit? Oh and Obama will win in November


That was it, she walked away quickly. Off she went into Shop Rite. Babbling like her head had exploded. I actually think she was praying for me.
I should have taken a picture of her and her car with my cell phone but it didn't dawn on me till after I puled out of the lot.

I actually feel sorry for her. Her life is bitter and I am sure a disappointment. Driving that beat up Crown Vic, she'll never understand fuel economy either. But I am sure as she'll call into Rush tomorrow, she thinks it's her God given right that she can piss gas away.



The Pro-Life movement, really about life for themselves and not others.

Word for word. How sad this country is, how sad.

[frazzled]

1. Asked her what?

Your story is a little disjointed and cryptic.

And no, I have firmly opposed the death penalty for decades. But why is that question even relevant here? You think someone should possibly get the death penalty for words they speak? That's sick, and probably should be alerted as inappropriate here.

[DainBramaged]

2. My question to her was the header, is it that difficult to understand?

Forgive me for being 'disjointed'.


You really don't understand? I'm so sorry.

[barbtries]

30. it was clear to me.

[darkangel218]

7. Frazzled, i think you misunderstood the post.

The OP was pointing out the hypocrisy of right wingers, who are against abortions, yet vehemently support the death penalty.

[frazzled]

10. Oh, well

It still seems a bit over the top: every stereotype in the world is in there. The car, the smoking, the mispronunciation of Muslim, the use of both a racial and sexual slur. The pride of the "aha" moment for the questioner. I'm a bit tired of these histrionics and stories of the weird.

Yes, we know that it's hypocritical to be anti-abortion and pro-death penalty. What else is new?

[DainBramaged]

11. Well maybe we should keep these moments to ourselves then?

[JustAnotherGen]

27. It's more common here

Than people would like to think. I was just Shoprite in Somerville and saw pretty much the same thing - only a man.

Oh - she'll be calling into 101.5 tomorrow if she can't get through to Rush.

[darkangel218]

16. Actually i didn't find it over the top at all

I encounter similar "entities" on daily basis. I'm pretty sure if I had approached some of them I would've got similar answers, or even worse.

[Politicalboi]

26. Pro life

But also pro death penalty.

[MannyGoldstein]

3. People have become bitterer and angrier over the last 30 years

as the economy of the 99% has plunged deeper and deeper.

Until we end this depression and institute a new New Deal, this will only get worse; how do you think Nazi Germany became Nazi Germany?

P.S. I think you're missing a quote after the first paragraph.

[SheilaT]

4. When I ran for the state house of representatives in

my state in 2004, I went door to door quite a bit. I was running as a Democrat in a very Republican state and district, so understandably I lost. However, I finally got so that anytime anyone volunteered that they were pro-life, I'd immediately say, "Then presumably you oppose the death penalty." It always stunned them into silence. I think it is ONLY by juxtaposing those two things immediately do they get some inkling that there's a bit of an inconsistency in their own stand.

[DainBramaged]

6. It was an amazing moment. I don't think she had ever been asked that before

I think that because it was so radical a concept to her she could only lash out at me.

[NYC_SKP]

5. Absolutely, yes, against it. Did she look like this?:

Seriously, however, I'm with you DB. One has to feel sorry for someone like her, babbling, poor, and a victim of her own ignorance and the rampant RW bullshit that serves as "news" these days.

[DainBramaged]

9. Bigger head, scraggly grey hair.

if she stopped smoking and got an economical car, she'd be able to , never mind, it's Amurika.

[JustAnotherGen]

28. How sad

That I know who that woman is. But that's pretty much the image that comes to mind. She probably walked into the store screaming about Satan and witches.

[MADem]

8. She is operating from a place of fear and desperation.

Her paradigms have been shattered.

Gay people used to stay in the closet.

"Minorities" stayed in their "own neighborhoods"--and there weren't too many of them.

Big cars meant you were successful, not that you were too poor to afford one of the nice fuel-economy ones.

Smoking? She needs a living room on wheels--she can't smoke at her workplace anymore!

She clings to her religion and the certainty that comes from self-assured blowhards telling her what to do.

She's a 99 percenter and will always be one, but she'll continue to believe in the fantasy of that lottery ticket enabling her to buy a dressage horse and hang out with Annie rMoney.

She's stuck in a mire of self-hate punctuated by terror owing to an inability to adapt. She probably goes home and reads her email on "Web TV"--if she has email at all. The world is passing her by, and she's too frightened to try to adjust, adapt, and keep up.

And, she sounded a bit stupid...that's probably the worst punishment of all.

[raouldukelives]

20. One almost feels a twinge of pity for them.

It is a crazy world and some people are much more easily manipulated than others. I see them every day. The bill of sale they were given has not held accurate and sometimes only when they have been sucked dry by the system and reside on the streets do they realize the error of their ways and beg forgiveness.

[rrneck]

12. While you certainly have a point

if some right wing fundie walked up to me and asked me a gotcha question out of the blue I'd tell them to fuck off.

The idea is win political allies by helping them see the best way to move forward, not scoring points off them for our own amusement.

[DainBramaged]

13. It was a teaching moment. Sorry you wern't there.

And she didn't tell me to fuck off, she came right back at me, or didn't you get that?


I didn't do it for my amusement, I look for ants on the sidewalk and get my ballpeen hammer out when I need a little pick me up.

[rrneck]

14. Did you get to know her in some way?

Do you know what kind of life she's had? How many opportunities she's gotten? How many times she was kicked in the cultural teeth?

Or did you just luck into a characiture of a right wing nut so you could come here and crow about your ideological triumph?

Cool story bro.

[DainBramaged]

17. Right

Have a nice day

[rrneck]

19. I already have.

Thanks to you.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

15. I support women's right to choose and the death penalty... so I'm not a hypocrite, right?

I think everyone is a bit hypocritical on several issues to some degree. That's why we have choice... to consciously create an ideological divide between "shades of gray". The hypocrisy of anybody (everybody) lies on the divide of the choices we make. To live without any hypocrisy at all would mean abandoning alot of our conflicting choices to predisposed outcomes.

Politics, really, is about where we create those ideological divides and what subjects matters we decide to accept hypocrisy.

[Cayenne]

31. Me to

I get ending the death penalty because it is outrageously expensive and there is no recourse from a false conviction but not because it is somehow 'cruel' and 'barbaric'. What's cruel and barbaric is keeping somebody alive so that we can continue to torture and torment them.

[Odin2005]

18. Hateful people are hateful.

They don't think, they don't introspect on their own feelings.

[cherokeeprogressive]

21. Cool story Bro.

[randome]

22. In principle, I am against the death penalty.

But principles are malleable, depending on the circumstances. We like to believe they are not but there will always be an exception and if you don't leave yourself open to exceptions, then you are no better than a computer.

Being against the death penalty, I will shed no tears for Laughner or Holmes or any other mass murderer.

[TheKentuckian]

24. Malleable principals based on circumstances may as well be nonexistent ones

It is the call of the person who wants to claim principles but also wants to be able to abandon them in a tough spot.

Better to be a computer than to be essentially amoral, with a finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing.
Adjustable principles means you don't have any and are little different from a Robme type.

Being against the death penalty except when you really don't like the crime means you are for the death penalty but like to pretend you aren't. Not shedding tears is beside the point, there is no sadness requirement, just enough consistency to actually stay on point.

You are also wrong, a computer never has to live with the emotion of the downside of their principle. You act like it easy to say what you believe, believe what you say, and stand by your word?

What you describe is not principle at all but rather loose and largely theoretical ideals that one cannot expect to match reality. You cannot fundamentally believe something conditionally, especially when the condition is when it is hard.

[BlueJazz]

23. Damn...DainBramaged...is this "Be nasty, hateful and rude to DainBramaged Day" ????

I don't think I've ever seen such shitty-ness hoisted on an original poster in a long time.

Sorry about that.

Ps I'm against the DP

[spanone]

25. my mom would tell me, 'two wrongs don't make a right'

yes, i am against the death penalty

[lonestarnot]

29. Yes I am.