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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 02:04 PM Aug 2012

Senator Graham Says Reid Is ‘Lying’ About Romney Taxes (How the hell does Graham know?)

Senator Graham Says Reid Is ‘Lying’ About Romney Taxes

By Phil Mattingly and Greg Stohr

Republicans, including Senator Lindsey Graham, accused Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of lying by saying Mitt Romney hasn’t paid taxes for 10 years.

Graham today said Reid was “making things up,” and Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus called Reid a “dirty liar” for leveling the accusations against Romney, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.

“I just cannot believe that the majority leader of the United States would take the floor twice, make accusations that are absolutely unfounded in my view and, quite frankly, making things up to divert the campaign away from the real issues,” Graham, a South Carolina Republican, said today on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

Republicans and Democrats spent much of the Sunday talk shows sparring over Reid’s claims about Romney’s taxes -- accusations the former Massachusetts governor has denied. Democratic President Barack Obama’s advisers and supporters have pressed Romney to release his tax returns in the wake of Reid’s claims. Romney, who has released one year of personal income tax returns and has promised a second, has challenged Reid to “put up or shut up” and reveal his source for the claim.

- more -

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-08-05/senator-graham-says-reid-is-lying-about-romney-taxes

How is it that these Republicans are certain Reid is "lying"?

Have Graham and other Republicans seen Romney's tax returns?

Is Romney passing his returns around in secret to Republicans, including RNC Chair Reince Priebus?

Why isn't Mitt sharing these with the American people?

Do Republicans know Reid's source?

Do they know definitively that the sources doesn't have credible evidence?

Graham and other Republicans are accusing Reid of lying about tax returns they haven't seen and a source they know nothing about.


Instead of accusing Reid of "lying," they should be challenging Romney to release his returns.

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Senator Graham Says Reid Is ‘Lying’ About Romney Taxes (How the hell does Graham know?) (Original Post) ProSense Aug 2012 OP
Them's fightin words ! Go get 'em Harry !!! russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #1
Word of the day from the GOP: Liar! Next, Rush, Beck, Hannity, O'Really, etc. freshwest Aug 2012 #2
Why Won't Any Of These MSM Commentators Ask The Question Of These Repug Shills That Say Reid Is.... global1 Aug 2012 #3
We need to keep this up until election day. LOVING the spine that I'm Grown2Hate Aug 2012 #4
In addition to all their other defects, elleng Aug 2012 #5
republicans have no idea what the truth and lying mean Angry Dragon Aug 2012 #18
Graham Flashmann Aug 2012 #6
How long has Graham known Reid? BumRushDaShow Aug 2012 #7
Oh, my who am I going to believe.... Justice wanted Aug 2012 #8
One Republican that would know Life Long Dem Aug 2012 #9
I think he's the one who Called Reid. I think he can't say anything without people saying he's Justice wanted Aug 2012 #16
Or someone high up on his staff? elleng Aug 2012 #20
Mormon businesses do business together - Reid's tax guys probably do Rmoney's taxes riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #41
Prove it, Graham. Put up or shut up. Prove Reid is lying. magical thyme Aug 2012 #10
Lindsey Graham needs to APOLOGIZE to Harry for calling him a LIAR without PROOF!! Segami Aug 2012 #22
Maybe Graham heard from a Bain investor that it's not true. hughee99 Aug 2012 #11
Uh huh katsy Aug 2012 #12
This could go on ad infinitum aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2012 #13
Was Lindsey in Mitt's closet, too? TheCowsCameHome Aug 2012 #14
Senator Graham needs to put up or shut up! B Calm Aug 2012 #15
More idiots heard from Angry Dragon Aug 2012 #17
lindsey graham, mccain's best friend? wonder what mccain has told him or any of them. eom ellenfl Aug 2012 #19
Rove called Reid a slimeball yesterday on Fox GreatCaesarsGhost Aug 2012 #21
LOL! Poor Turdsy. n/t ProSense Aug 2012 #23
He's projecting. aquart Aug 2012 #38
Reid didn't tell the lie they are accusing him of. 6000eliot Aug 2012 #24
Romney paid Sales TAxes ? JI7 Aug 2012 #25
They handled this all wrong... Genghis_Sean Aug 2012 #26
They ProSense Aug 2012 #31
I disagree... Genghis_Sean Aug 2012 #35
You're right, ProSense Aug 2012 #37
True enough Genghis_Sean Aug 2012 #42
Circling the wagons is all the pukies know to do madokie Aug 2012 #27
They're a little late for that, it's asshole panic mode now. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #46
hey lindsey, all mittens has to do is release his tax returns and humiliate us all? Seems simple to still_one Aug 2012 #28
Poor Lindsay... Kalidurga Aug 2012 #29
They the (Re thugs) have a script they follow blindly everyone is lien about the truth! chille1 Aug 2012 #30
Recently when Graham was attempting to have a functional Congress they wanted him shutup Thinkingabout Aug 2012 #32
they don't know ibegurpard Aug 2012 #33
He only knows that this is the official GOP rebuttal. Lone_Star_Dem Aug 2012 #34
If Reid were lying, it would be to Romney's GREAT BENEFIT to prove it, now wouldn't it. nt patrice Aug 2012 #36
Lindsay Graham is a "Dirty Liar" cleduc Aug 2012 #39
Mormon businesses do business together - Reid's tax guys probably do Rmoney's taxes riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #40
McCain has seen the taxes...... Sheepshank Aug 2012 #43
show us the money...show us the money mittens madrchsod Aug 2012 #44
Two Words ChoppinBroccoli Aug 2012 #45

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
2. Word of the day from the GOP: Liar! Next, Rush, Beck, Hannity, O'Really, etc.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 02:12 PM
Aug 2012

Not that any of them would know the truth if it walked up and hit them in the faces. I wonder when they'll utiltize Beck's case of Nazi Tourette's this year.

global1

(25,242 posts)
3. Why Won't Any Of These MSM Commentators Ask The Question Of These Repug Shills That Say Reid Is....
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 02:13 PM
Aug 2012

lying? Sir (and I use this term loosely for these Repugs) - if you say Senator Reid is lying - how do you know - have you seen Rmoney's tax returns?

Seems to me that this would be a good way to shut them up. If they haven't seen Rmoney's tax returns - then the follow up is "Well Sir - then how could you say Sen Reid is lying?"

If they have seen his returns - then the follow-up is "Well if you are entitled to see Rmoney's tax returns - shouldn't the American People be afforded the same?"

For God's sake - you so-called journalists - do you job.

Grown2Hate

(2,010 posts)
4. We need to keep this up until election day. LOVING the spine that I'm
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 02:16 PM
Aug 2012

seeing out of Dems these days. Let these assholes say whatever they want, but WE get to speculate however WE want since he won't release the returns, coward that he is.

elleng

(130,873 posts)
5. In addition to all their other defects,
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 02:18 PM
Aug 2012

these repugs appear not to know the meaning of the word LYING!
mg:

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
6. Graham
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 02:21 PM
Aug 2012

Might have had a shed of credibility,had he not told his own share of whoppers,through the years.....However...............

BumRushDaShow

(128,898 posts)
7. How long has Graham known Reid?
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 02:27 PM
Aug 2012


Reid has been in Congress since 1983 (and a Senator since 1987).

Graham has been in Congress since 1995 (and a Senator since 2003).

He needs to get a clue, quit with the Strom Thurmond-lite routine, and STFU. No more stone-walling. Release the tax returns!

Justice wanted

(2,657 posts)
8. Oh, my who am I going to believe....
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 02:28 PM
Aug 2012



Do I believe Lynsey Graham someone who generally doesn't run to the mic to make crazy speeches and do some outragous things like making sure district line are drawn in favor of Republicans

OR

Harry Reid....





I'm going with REID.

Justice wanted

(2,657 posts)
16. I think he's the one who Called Reid. I think he can't say anything without people saying he's
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 02:49 PM
Aug 2012

just bitter but it makes sense to me that it is McCain.

elleng

(130,873 posts)
20. Or someone high up on his staff?
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 03:02 PM
Aug 2012

OMG, just thought of Steve Schmitt. Wonder if he's had anything to say about this brouhaha???

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
41. Mormon businesses do business together - Reid's tax guys probably do Rmoney's taxes
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 09:45 PM
Aug 2012

I'm thinking this is one Dem who knows since someone tattled.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
10. Prove it, Graham. Put up or shut up. Prove Reid is lying.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 02:40 PM
Aug 2012

You calling the Senate Majority Leader a liar?

Prove. It. Show us Rmoney's Fed tax returns. Prove that he paid Fed income taxes every year.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
22. Lindsey Graham needs to APOLOGIZE to Harry for calling him a LIAR without PROOF!!
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 03:53 PM
Aug 2012

Lindsey Graham and Romney's other ' Dancin Prancin Rethugs ' need to STFU if they CAN'T show the tax evidence that Harry is lying.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
11. Maybe Graham heard from a Bain investor that it's not true.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 02:40 PM
Aug 2012

Reid is talking about tax returns he hasn't seen either.

katsy

(4,246 posts)
12. Uh huh
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 02:41 PM
Aug 2012

Senate leader Read is about to risk his entire public service career just to make up a lie about mitt's taxes?

Really?


F A I L

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
13. This could go on ad infinitum
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 02:46 PM
Aug 2012

You, sir, are lying about my lying. Well, I accuse you of lying when you say I'm lying about your lying. The only thing that could end this:

STONEWALL ROMNEY, RELEASE THE RETURNS FORTHWITH !

6000eliot

(5,643 posts)
24. Reid didn't tell the lie they are accusing him of.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 08:28 PM
Aug 2012

He didn't say Romney didn't pay taxes. He said that someone from Bain TOLD him that. That should tell you everything you need to know about these attacks.

Genghis_Sean

(39 posts)
26. They handled this all wrong...
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 08:34 PM
Aug 2012

Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence. They should have just dismissed Reid's words. They are meaningless without evidence. By calling him a liar, they just extended the news cycle. It's nice to see the GOP having to deal with a toothless nonstory for a change.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
31. They
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 08:45 PM
Aug 2012

"Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence. They should have just dismissed Reid's words."

...couldn't because this isn't about Reid, and they know it. Reid doesn't have to do jack, but keep talking. Romney has to come clean to the American people.


"By calling him a liar, they just extended the news cycle."

There goal was to co-opt the news cycle with outrageous name-calling, but it still isn't about Reid.


"It's nice to see the GOP having to deal with a toothless nonstory for a change. "

"Toothless"? This story has legs, and Romney and Republicans are reacting in very desperate ways.

Genghis_Sean

(39 posts)
35. I disagree...
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 09:02 PM
Aug 2012

Imagine if Boehner said he'd heard from a former classmate from Obama's days in his Madrassa, who said that Obama told him they were moving to America and had to pretend they were Christian. We'd all scoff at the use of an anonymous source. Not the best comparison, admittedly but you can't cite anonymous sources and call it evidence. I don't doubt Romney's hiding disastrous information about his taxes, but Reid's words could have been dismissed in my opinion. The story is Romney's failure to release.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
37. You're right,
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 09:09 PM
Aug 2012
Imagine if Boehner said he'd heard from a former classmate from Obama's days in his Madrassa, who said that Obama told him they were moving to America and had to pretend they were Christian. We'd all scoff at the use of an anonymous source. Not the best comparison, admittedly but you can't cite anonymous sources and call it evidence. I don't doubt Romney's hiding disastrous information about his taxes, but Reid's words could have been dismissed in my opinion. The story is Romney's failure to release.

...it's not the best comparison.

Let's go with the far-fetched: Democrats would not panic over such a claim by Boehner.

Right now Republicans are in a panic. Why?

They need to discredit Reid because they have no idea what he really knows.



Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
46. They're a little late for that, it's asshole panic mode now.
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 12:21 AM
Aug 2012

They were blind-sided by Harry Reid and caught completely flat-footed, and now all they got is yelling "Liar!" like a sixth-grader accused of liking girls.

Notice how Harry Reid is ignoring them.

I can't wait for the next installment of this drama.

It will certainly be along the lines of, "Well, if I'm a liar, Mitt can easily prove it! Show the tax returns! And those of you accusing me of lying, just how do you know otherwise? Have YOU seen Mitt's invisible tax returns, and aren't telling?".

The Republicans are willingly running willy-nilly directly into a trap.

still_one

(92,181 posts)
28. hey lindsey, all mittens has to do is release his tax returns and humiliate us all? Seems simple to
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 08:36 PM
Aug 2012

me. What is he afraid of? In fact Harry Reid indicated it was from a source at bain. Is the source lying? I don't know. One way to show is for romney to release his tax returns. Oh, I already said that, didn't mean to repeat myself.

Based on the republican and romney record I tend to believe it is the republicans and romney who are lying

prove them wrong

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
29. Poor Lindsay...
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 08:38 PM
Aug 2012

He is trying so hard to shed his RINO image. First he eats his hate sandwich, which didn't do anything at all to make him look more manly, opposite as a matter of fact. Now, this he is defending Mitt Romney even though most Republicans actually hate him and called Romney a RINO. This is so surreal. Republicans defending a RINO.

chille1

(73 posts)
30. They the (Re thugs) have a script they follow blindly everyone is lien about the truth!
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 08:41 PM
Aug 2012

Romney doesn't recall how much taxes hes paid, Gram if he was to say anything else would be called a liar by his own party and would just walk back his statement ,the true problem with all of this is that they have a platform in which to speak from and the right and left M.S.M is only interested in which side of the statement receives the most ratings So in a nut shell which its all about ratings advertising our M.S.M CONSIST OF 1 % ER'S

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
32. Recently when Graham was attempting to have a functional Congress they wanted him shutup
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 08:50 PM
Aug 2012

Now Rmoney has gotten a problem they want Graham to bail him out. Where is loudmouth Michele, Can'ter and Boner? This is admission Rmoney is in trouble.

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
34. He only knows that this is the official GOP rebuttal.
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 08:58 PM
Aug 2012

"Nuh uuh, you're a liar." is the official GOP response to Mit having dirt in his tax returns.

Have some pity on them here for goodness sake. It's not as if Mit's giving them any help with the situation.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
40. Mormon businesses do business together - Reid's tax guys probably do Rmoney's taxes
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 09:43 PM
Aug 2012

I'm thinking that's how Reid knows this. He knows someone who knows the truth.

The Mormon community is known for sticking together and enriching each other. I'm guessing the same high level tax attorneys that do Reid's taxes, also do Rmoneys.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
45. Two Words
Sun Aug 5, 2012, 11:55 PM
Aug 2012

Prove it.

Although there's another 2-word phrase that I often utter when I hear Republicans speak that might be fitting in this instance as well. It's a euphemism for procreation, which we all know Republicans support.

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