Wasn't there a mass murder just a couple of weeks ago caused by guns??

[madinmaryland]

[TheCowsCameHome]

1. That was last month.

That doesn't count.

This is August.



This crap is all too commonpace, isn't it?

[Control-Z]

2. Yes, but guns are good.

Guns are great! There just weren't enough of them in other people's hands.

[backwoodsbob]

3. nope

there was a mass murder caused by a lunatic

[itsrobert]

6. That had free access to guns

Expressing his 2A rights.

[DainBramaged]

34. So 2A trumps life?

[LonePirate]

73. Apparently it does for millions for Americans, especially among the "Pro-Life" crowd

[MNBrewer]

41. His lunacy didn't "cause" the deaths

I'm pretty sure it was the bullets.

[hfojvt]

91. that's a relief

I thought maybe the guns were shooting themselves

Also, I might note that in the 13 days since twelve were killed in one mass shooting and 7 were killed in another, that something like 1,300 have died in car accidents. 1,300 vs. 19. Isn't it about time we restrict access to those weapons of mass destruction?

[kurtzapril4]

116. Cars weren't made for the sole purpose

of killing people...like handguns ARE. Nice try, though.

[Mojorabbit]

117. The end result is the same. nt

[Missycim]

133. I am sure

that the people killed in car accidents feel better that it wasn't a gun that killed them.

[Marr]

124. I think the guns helped. /nt

[WillowTree]

4. Correction: Accomplished with guns, not caused by them.

And for the record, I detest guns as much as anyone, but for the sake of accuracy, it's not the guns that cause the crimes, they just facilitate the crimes.

[lunatica]

18. Your correction is puerile

Guns are manufactured to kill something or someone. Most people buy guns to protect themselves, their families or their homes and that protection is obviously to take someone's life if they are threatened. The rest of the guns out there are for lawbreakers.

[rrneck]

24. How do we tell which gun is which? nt

[lunatica]

25. By the fact that they're guns

I'm not even advocating banning them. But something has to be done about making them a lot harder to get. Sorry if that offends you and your guns.

[rrneck]

30. What makes you think I'm offended?

How will you make them harder to get for the wrong people?

[lunatica]

36. that guestion is pretty stupid

By making it harder to get guns. How hard is that to understand?

[rrneck]

38. Soooooo

you make a distinction between lawfully owned and used firearms and firearms used illegally. I asked you how we are supposed to tell the difference between the two, and you say because they're guns. Fine, I say. I ask you how we keep guns away from the wrong people, and you say make them harder to get.

Stop and take a breath. Your stampede to umbrage won't allow you to think clearly. Although it hasn't impaired your ability to insult people.

[MNBrewer]

43. Why should "lawfully owned" firearms be sacrosanct?

What part of "well regulated Militia" doesn't sink in?

[rrneck]

47. What part of

"how will you keep guns away from the bad guys" don't you understand?

[99Forever]

56. And what part of...

... time and time again some murdering POS is a "lawful 2A loving gun owner" until the day they aren't and decide to take out a bunch of actual lawful citizens going about their lawful daily lives, don't YOU understand?

[rrneck]

71. So the gun owners to which you referred

in post #18 are all potential murdering pieces of shit?

[Zoeisright]

114. Straw man.

Can't win the argument so you shift the topic.

Typical.

[rrneck]

118. Read the subthread starting with post #18.

And while we're at it, what is your firearm free solution to a disparity of force?

[laundry_queen]

79. Less guns overall

means less guns in the hands of criminals. It's called math.

[rrneck]

84. A lack of an effective way

to defend one's self from a more powerful aggressor is called a disparity of force.

It's called reality.

[laundry_queen]

119. The statistics

of less guns = less gun deaths is more reality than the fear that your government is going to attack you and you'll be able to fix it with your arsenal in your basement. LOL.

Have you not been paying attention? You've lost your freedom, your elections are tainted, your government is corrupt, you have the patriot act, police can shoot you with no repercussions, people live in fear of the next mass shooting, your populace is becoming impoverished, millions cannot access health care, and you have the highest rate of incarceration in the world. If you thought guns would protect you, you've already failed. Too late. Guess what? TPTB don't care. 2nd amendment rights are a smokescreen and you just fell for it.

[rrneck]

122. Who said anything about government? nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

86. Have you ever noticed that the Second Amendment doesn't GRANT the right to keep firearms?

Read it, then read it again. Hell, read it a third and fourth time if you have to. Then, get back to me when you get to the part where it says "The federal government, empowered by the states, does hereby grant the right to keep and bear arms."

See why your BS point about a "well regulated Militia" is moot? The right to keep and bear arms existed BEFORE the Second Amendment was drafted, and the purpose of the Second Amendment simply guarantees the federal government shall not infringe upon it.

[spayneuter]

69. And how great it would be if we just make it harder to get cancer.

I love your progressive and useful ideas!

[randome]

82. LOL!

[Fumesucker]

5. Caused by a probably deranged individual aided and abetted by guns is a better way to put it..

[YellowRubberDuckie]

52. Aiding and abetting implies willful and known use.

I'm pretty sure guns are inanimate objects that cannot think freely.

[Fumesucker]

64. In a legal sense perhaps but the lay definitions of the words basically mean "assist" or "encourage"

The guns certainly aided the killer and I suspect having them encouraged him in his actions..

[spayneuter]

70. Cart -> Horse n/t

..

[Fumesucker]

75. Welcome to DU!

I hope you enjoy your stay!

[spayneuter]

83. I do too! Thank you.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

7. But, just think of the carnage had he been armed with a flyswatter.

Or, a chocolate sundae!

[kurtzapril4]

10. Or lawnchairs.

Don't forget the lawnchairs.

[MNBrewer]

44. Or sporks.

[smirkymonkey]

33. Christ! All those calories!

The horror!

[Nye Bevan]

48. Or a truck full of fertilizer!

Oh wait.....

[Trunk Monkey]

92. Or a molatov cocktail which would have been a hell of a lot easier to get. NT

[Missycim]

134. or a bomb

oh wait...

[spayneuter]

8. No, it was caused by knives

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/teen-stabs-nine-people-to-death/story-fnd134gw-1226441838914

[lunatica]

26. That's a really

stupid response.

[spayneuter]

67. Thank you for the kind, polite and rational reply.

[liberalmuse]

9. No. Guns don't kill...

People kill. And bullets. They just *happen* to use guns. But for god's sake, don't blame the guns. They are just innocently lying around, minding their own business. It's not their fault some lunatic happens to find them them and use them to kill lots of people.

[1-Old-Man]

11. No, there was a mass murder a couple of weeks ago caused by a man with a gun

In the end it was the man who did the murders.

[itsrobert]

13. aided by a society that gave him free access to guns

n/t

[YellowRubberDuckie]

54. If people want to kill others, they will find a way.

It is not as if the murder rate would go away if guns were gone tomorrow. People were killing people long before guns. Now, it's just not as messy or painful.

[Warren Stupidity]

59. guns facilitate the impulse to kill.

is that really too difficult to understand? We really should do nothing to make it just a little more difficult to kill people in large numbers?

[1-Old-Man]

95. That is patently absurd. What do you hold as proof for that statement?

[Warren Stupidity]

100. just google guns and mortality.

For example:

Data from a US mortality follow-back survey were analyzed to determine whether having a firearm in the home increases the risk of a violent death in the home and whether risk varies by storage practice, type of gun, or number of guns in the home. Those persons with guns in the home were at greater risk than those without guns in the home of dying from a homicide in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 1.9, 95% confidence interval: 1.1, 3.4). They were also at greater risk of dying from a firearm homicide, but risk varied by age and whether the person was living with others at the time of death. The risk of dying from a suicide in the home was greater for males in homes with guns than for males without guns in the home (adjusted odds ratio = 10.4, 95% confidence interval: 5.8, 18.9). Persons with guns in the home were also more likely to have died from suicide committed with a firearm than from one committed by using a different method (adjusted odds ratio = 31.1, 95% confidence interval: 19.5, 49.6). Results show that regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and firearm suicide in the home.

http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full

[1-Old-Man]

137. Not one word in that clip you attached supports your claim

On Edit: What, did you hope I wouldn't either read your post or that I wasn't smart enough to notice that not one word connected what you said with your evidence for saying it?

[YellowRubberDuckie]

125. We have guns all over this house....

...and we haven't killed anyone or anything with them....EVER.

[Warren Stupidity]

132. statistical correlation fail.

google guns and mortality. The medical literature is persuasive. Keep a gun in the house and you are at a significantly higher risk for death by gunshot.

Shrug it off duckie, after all you have guns all over the house and nobody has gotten shot. Take up smoking too while you are at it. Drink like a fish, eat nothing but fried fat rolled in sugar, don't exercise, never use sun screen, and drive drunk. The statistics don't apply to individual cases.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

141. We had loaded guns all over my house as a child as well.

We just never touched them. We knew not to. It isn't rocket science.

[Warren Stupidity]

148. I'm sorry about that.

Do you know the stats on child gunshot injuries? Does google work for you? Do you have a clue about how probability works and why an individual data point is meaningless?

[YellowRubberDuckie]

152. I get it...

...but you the people who this happens to most of the time do not have adequate supervision. I know the statistics. I'm a freaking social worker. I'm just saying stop making blanket statements about guns and ridiculous things they can't possibly do without human actions and motivation!

[Laurian]

12. Here we f**kin' go again.....

I absolutely hate the glut of guns in our society and nothing ever changes, no matter what kind of havoc, grief or terror is caused by them.

[spayneuter]

15. So what would you suggest?

There's always, as you say, much havoc and grief but nobody seems able to propose any feasible solution.
By the way, no murder has ever been "caused" by an inanimate object no matter how satisfying it might seem to blame them.

[Motown_Johnny]

17. It sure helps rack up the body count though

and the truth is that if these lunatics didn't feel empowered enough to make a name for themselves by going out in a blaze of glory then they just might not try to do this with a baseball bat.

The guns do cause these things to happen because without the guns they would not happen.

[spayneuter]

87. And life is a sexually-transmitted, terminal disease.

There are all sorts of ways to "explain" all sorts of nonsense. Without mosquitoes there would be no malaria...ad nauseum. Do you have an idea how to solve the 'problem' you're concerned about? I swear it's like debating creationists...

[lunatica]

20. There are plenty of 'feasible solutions' regarding guns

Are you even paying attention? Or do you just love your innocently accused guns too much to listen to reason?

[spayneuter]

65. There's no need to be rude, I simply asked for ideas. A little 'reason' is what I'm looking for...

do you have some? (And nobody has ever accused my guns of anything, my friends are intelligent enough to know that metal objects have no ability to do harm on their own)

[lunatica]

76. What a load of crap

your 'friends'? Solutions?

What? You can't think of any solutions? Could it be because your 'innocent' guns are, well innocent as far as your friends are concerned.

Obviously I'm not one of your friends. And I'll never be.

[spayneuter]

80. Well, you probably have no idea how much that pleases me.

Did someone pee in your Cheerios this morning? jeezus..........

[AnotherMcIntosh]

151. So he's decided that he will never try to be friends with you? Some people have all the luck.

[HangOnKids]

153. Wow Aren't You The Charmer

[AnotherMcIntosh]

155. Actually, I've seen enough of his posts. More than enough.

[Laurian]

23. I'm suggesting that if we weren't drowning in a sea of guns,

maybe hateful and/or mentally ill people wouldn't be able to get them so easily and we wouldn't be reliving this nightmare over and over.

[spayneuter]

58. Sure, you are probably right about that, so what's your idea to drain the "sea"?

If you were to get a national ban enacted (about as likely as me being the King of Greenland), what percentage of them do you think would be "turned in", and of that percentage how many would be from people who keep them for nefarious purposes? I'm hearing a lot of frustration but so far nothing that has a chance of actually accomplishing anything. shrug.

[Warren Stupidity]

62. 1. turn the hose off.

[spayneuter]

72. How clever you are! Where is the faucet and who does the turning?

I am serious...you have made a suggestion with no explanation of how it might be accomplished.

[Warren Stupidity]

89. so you would support sensible regulation, depending on the specifics?

[petronius]

101. It's a rare gun owner or pro-RKBAer who doesn't support sensible regulation

[Warren Stupidity]

105. yeah until you start to get specific and then they don't support anything.

[petronius]

109. If your "specific" isn't sensible then it doesn't deserve support

But the fact remains that every gun owner and pro-RKBAer I've ever encountered (including here on DU) does indeed support a range of sensible regulations.

The mistake you're making is to assume that any and all proposed regulations are "sensible"...

[Warren Stupidity]

111. Sorry but I've watched this play out before.

Will you support reasonable limitations of magazine capacity?

[petronius]

115. I've seen it play out as well. And no, I don't see a rational justification

for magazine limits, although limits wouldn't bother me much if the number was well above the standard size...

[Trunk Monkey]

102. You can't turn the hose off

It’s usually estimated that there are 300 million guns in this country; personally I think that number is very low but that’s the best guess. There are also reported to be 80 million gun owners, again I think the number is low. They aren’t going to just sit there and let you take their guns. I’m not in any sense threatening “revolution” but I can assure you that no politician who takes a strong stands in favor of a gun ban is going to keep their job past the next election.

Also, you can’t ban guns or even new gun in this country w/out repealing the second amendment. In 1994 the gun industry saw the AWB coming and they started pumping out “pre-ban” rifles and magazine like hot cakes. While I’m aware that I’m speculating I expect the same thing would happen again should anyone start seriously trying to alter our Constitution (and that’s only if they didn’t decide to take to the streets). The market would be flooded and gun owners would have all kinds of time to hide their guns before the amendment passed. And again, if the amendment didn’t pass w/in a single election cycle I’m fairly certain that every politician that was pushing for it would be out of a job anyway.

So since you can’t turn off the hose how about we start actually enforcing laws? Say for instance no plea bargains on weapons charges? Felon in possession? Five years period. Straw purchase? What ever the prison term is. NCIS background check shows you’re a prohibited possessor ? You name and address are reported to the police and they actually follow up.

You start pushing for gun control measures like that and see how fast gun owners line up to support you.

mispelled word edited text bolded

[Warren Stupidity]

104. Sure you can. Turn it off. Stop adding to the pool.

This does not require alteration of the constitution. There is no right to manufacture guns, only to keep and bear them.

OMFG there are 300 million guns, we cant possibly get rid of all of them, so just keep flooding the market with millions more every year. When there are 600 million guns, will that be enough?

[Trunk Monkey]

108. I own nine, I'm satisfied

Edited text bolded. I hit post instead of check spelling. You may wish to read this from wikipedia

One year after signing the Brady Law, White House lobbying also played a role in the passage of the 1994 Crime Bill, which included the assault weapons ban. The law banned certain semi-automatic firearms with two or more specific design features, and also prohibited the manufacture of ammunition magazines that held over ten rounds.[9]

Although initially heralded as a victory for Clinton and Democrats in congress, it proved costly.[2] The bill energized the NRA and Republican base, and contributed to the Republican takeover of both houses in the 1994 mid-term elections. Many Democrats who had supported Clinton's gun control measures were ousted, including Speaker Tom Foley. Clinton acknowledged that he had hurt Democrats with his victories.[6]

Clinton continued to push further regulations of firearms in his second term, especially after the Columbine High School massacre. Little success came out of his efforts though. Republicans controlled congress during this time, and a majority opposed any further gun control.[10] The House voted to overturn the assault weapons ban in 1996. The Senate failed to take up the issue.

[kelly1mm]

120. Pretty hard to ban manufacture when you can print one out with a 3-D printer.

Link:

http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/thinking-tech/uh-oh-3d-printer-produces-a-real-gun/12527

Excerpt:

You’d be hard-pressed to find anyone who has anything bad to say about 3D printing. Besides having the potential to revolutionize the manufacturing industry, the machines seem to spit out one crowd-pleaser after another, objects like musical instruments, candy, toys, trinkets and even cars. But now that someone has figured out how to print out a fully-functional firearm, the technology is about to become a whole lot more controversial.

Photos of the world’s first 3D printed gun were discovered on the AR-15.com, a forum for firearms enthusiasts and supporters of gun rights. The creator, who goes by the username HaveBlue, assembled the weapon by combining the body of a normal .22 caliber pistol with that of a printed plastic version of the lower receiver used in AR-15 assault rifles (similar to the military’s M16). HaveBlue then tested out the creation by successfully firing 200 rounds without any signs of malfunction or complications, according to a post on the web site.

HaveBlue documents his gunsmithing process in such a detailed way, it might be a bit unnerving for some folks. With little more than a Stratasys 3D printer, a $30 batch of plastic resin and printing specifications available on the internet, the user was able to produce several of the necessary working parts. A step-by-step blueprint for making your own AR-15 lower receiver can also be found on Thingiverse.

While only one part of the gun was actually ”printed,” the lower receiver is the critical piece that enables the weapon to fire. It holds the bolt, trigger and the magazine, where ammunition is stored. Thats why under the American Gun Control Act, it’s this lower part that constitutes an operational gun and thus is heavily regulated.

[Laurian]

88. Just because it's difficult doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

Destroy all guns that have been confiscated for any inappropriate use. Destroy any guns found or turned in that are not properly registered to a legitimate owner. Tighten regulations on all types of firearms and ammunition. It would take a long time to clean up this mess, but if we don't start it will only get worse.

[Trunk Monkey]

103. Firearms registration is illegal at the federal level as well as in several states

firs you have to change laws which means you need support.

Go get it and get back to us

[Warren Stupidity]

61. sensible regulation.

[spayneuter]

74. Nothing specific in mind? That's a pretty wide fly-swatter you're waving there, amigo.

[hobbit709]

14. And there was one a few days ago caused by knives.

[Harmony Blue]

27. I can stop a knife attack (not an easy feat but it can be done)

but a high powered semi automatic rifle on the other hand... >.<

[hobbit709]

32. Only if you see it coming.

[Harmony Blue]

35. A knife attack from behind is easier to defend against than from the front

which is counter intuitive to what most people are familiar with. It is harder to deflect an attackers arm from the front without being cut if they use the knife to create distance. From behind they are trying to close the distance, but you can avoid the knife with a block.

[hobbit709]

42. Once again, only if you see it coming.

If you don't know that someone walking by is about to plunge a knife in your back, you're pretty much SOL. Defense is predicated on being aware of an attack.

[Union Scribe]

135. Yeah, this isn't your dojo though. nt

[lunatica]

37. Keep digging

Maybe you can win the argument by coming up with the ultimate response eventually. So far though, you're not doing so good.

[hobbit709]

39. You're the one doing the digging.

Making something illegal doesn't make it unobtainable.
I just pointed out it doesn't take a gun to commit mass murder. If I was crazy enough to want to kill a bunch of people, I could easily come up with ways that don't involve firearms at all.
I'm not a RKBA fanatic-look and see how many times I've posted in the gungeon.

[lunatica]

49. LOL!

Go ahead and throw a tantrum

[hobbit709]

51. When it comes to tantrums, you should look in a mirror.

I've seen way too many things I don't want to think about to get excited by fanatics of any stripe.

[MNBrewer]

45. Fewer people and in different locales

not more, in a single place. See how much more efficient slaughter can be with technology?

[Motown_Johnny]

16. If only these peace loving Sikhs had brought guns to Temple they could have stopped it.

(for the sarcasm impaired)

[PavePusher]

140. Maybe, maybe not. Circunstances vary. n/t

[Motown_Johnny]

145. Wow, you are seriously sarcasm impaired.

Sikhs would not be very likely to carry guns, to temple or anywhere else.

[PavePusher]

149. On what do you base that assertion? n/t

[Motown_Johnny]

150. Read the first post you responded to, not just the title.

[Shrek]

19. No n/t

[lunatica]

21. No mass murder was facilitated by guns?

[Shrek]

66. The OP said "caused"

It is fair to say that the murders were facilitated by guns, along with mental illness, a crowded theatre, confusion, careful planning, the laws of physics, and many other factors.

[lunatica]

78. Keep right on splitting hairs

I'm sure you'll win some argument somewhere, sometime.

[Shrek]

94. Words have meaning

It isn't hair-splitting to acknowledge that.

YMMV.

[randome]

22. No. There wasn't. I think you have Romney-dementia.

You have retroactively modified Reality to match your preconceived notions.

[lunatica]

29. You are

one of the most hateful DUers I've had the displeasure of reading. You are mean and cutting and love to hurt others. But you're not the only one so you're not as special as you may think you are.

[randome]

40. Really? Even with the 'Sarcasm' tag?

Wow.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

55. Apparently disagreeing with people on DU is now hateful.

What the fuck happened to this place?

[randome]

60. And I'm not even disagreeing with anyone!

The OP had no information so I ASSUMED it was about the easy access to guns, which I agree is a problem.

[spayneuter]

77. Well, he hasn't called at least 2 posters "stupid" in the thread...

[lunatica]

97. Hey. Stupid is as stupid does

I can't help what stupid people say. They're just being stupid.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Nope...nothing of significance happened in Aurora

For that matter the 65 pages I got in my puter of shootings since 2005 are just a great hollywood production. Leave the poor guns alone! ( Sadly I can see this posted fr real, not with a full sense of cynicism, sarcasm ad new normal)

[MNBrewer]

46. He ran out of old bowling pins, so...

Most defenses of guns i've seen is that it's somehow "fun" to do "target practice", where one shoots at things, such as bowling pins or metal disks that spin... My question is "practice for what"? The zombie bowling pin apocalypse?

Guns are really only good for two things: 1) practicing to kill, 2) killing.

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. Now, now target shooting can be fun

(I just suck at it, I think I got a block from seeing the real damage)

But I know a few people who shoot, for things like comptetitive shooting. Those are some of the most responsible owners you'll meet.

But some do hav them for the zombie apocalypse.

And locally some of the people hunt and fish to put food on the table. But we have a small, and very loud, contingent of people for whom this is a religion.

The people I refered to above, who are sportsmen, (as in shooting teams), or hunters, who do it out of need...those have no issue with a license, or taking some things out of circulation. In fact, one of our local hunters sneers at the idea of using an AR or AK for hunting, especially large game. He's a 'nam vet, his view of these guns is tat they were designed for hunting a certain bipedal creature...though serviceable for raccoons.

I will leave it at that.

[PavePusher]

142. An AK-pattern rifle is ballistically about equal to a .30-30 lever-action rifle.

This makes it, with a hunting-legal magazine, an excellent deer rifle.

[Lizzie Poppet]

31. "caused by guns"

l2 causality
kthxbai

[YellowRubberDuckie]

50. Sure.

Guns got up and shot themselves.
Your statement just sounds ridiculous.
Guns didn't CAUSE anything. They were the weapon used, but mental illness was the CAUSE of the attack itself.

[xchrom]

57. i'm sure that the gun loving culture we live in didn't have any impact on his mental illness. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. Nope nothing to see here

I think Colbert will be petting his precious on tv soon...

[YellowRubberDuckie]

126. People have to admit they have problems to get help.

Mental illness is so crazy. Sometimes, you don't know you're crazy!

[villager]

68. Small price to pay so that gun-horders can inflict their derangements on the rest of us!

n/t

[xchrom]

81. +1

[madinmaryland]

85. +2

[lunatica]

99. Right on!

[Trunk Monkey]

90. No there wasn't there was a mass murder caused by an insane human being

who also used bombs and would have got the job done regardless of the tools.

[madinmaryland]

93. Really? Throwing hand grenades or shooting arrows into the temple?

[DainBramaged]

98. How did we know you'd be defending 2A??? I wonder

[Trunk Monkey]

106. I don't know

I'm not a closet supporter of the RKBA and almost every post I've made here was in defense of the Second Amendment.

It's not like you should be surprised

[DainBramaged]

110. I'm not, you just don't understand sarcasm like most of your friends

It's amazing how many of you have turned up since the Loughner shootings.

[HangOnKids]

154. Isn't That Just So Amazing!

I can't believe what an incredible coincidence that so many gun folks just all joined around the same time. AMAZING!

[Alduin]

107. Yep. There was one today also.

[samsingh]

112. yes

[samsingh]

113. that was a major one. there were a few small ones in between as well.

[Lil Missy]

121. This means the victims should have had guns. At the Temple. n/t

[PavePusher]

143. They should certainly have the freedom to chose. n/t

[RC]

123. When we get tired of enduring mass murders with fire arms, then and only then will we do something

about it

Guns are the problem. This country is awash in guns. The more legal guns there are and the easier they are to acquire, the more the bad guys and the deranged have access to them, legal or otherwise.
Start with regulating the manufacture of all guns. Limit the numbers and kinds/types manufactured each year. Military replicas need to be regulated more than the 'normal' weapons they replace. These guns feed into gun fanatics fantasies too easily.
Do the same with ammunition. Regulate the manufacture and amount available. (Stop the use of lead in bullets for environmental reasons.)

There are a few post above with good ideas for getting the shear number of guns under control.
Use a gun in a crime? The gun gets melted down and the perpetrator(s) get 5 added years, just for having it. Someone get hurts because the gun went off? An automatic 10 years per victim. The victim dies? Life, period. No parole. (Let the weed users out to make space.)
Accidentally shoot someone hunting or cleaning the gun? The gun gets melted down. And so on. After a while the number of guns and gun related crimes will drop to something reasonable because the number of guns available would be more reasonable. 88.8 guns per 100 people in the United State is obscene, when most people do not even own any guns. Yea, we are #1!
Those are 2007 numbers at the link. They are higher now.
Canada's numbers are 30.8. Ranking 13. They pretty much have their guns under control.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country


And we need to stop selling guns and ammunition to both sides in the wars we engineer. That would help also.

[onehandle]

127. It's the new normal due to the Rightist SCOTUS. nt

[spayneuter]

131. No kidding...that damn court that decided Lawrence v Texas.

How dare those bastards kill 'sodomy' laws. We should pillory them.

[yawnmaster]

128. I do believe you are mistaken. eom

[onehandle]

129. Cue our Rightists to send in the sockmonkeys. nt

[spayneuter]

130. You object to people supporting our Rights? How odd.

[Union Scribe]

136. At least they aren't Apple drones. nt

[pintobean]

138. Guns going rogue?

Someone should notify somebody.

[madinmaryland]

139. There are some "very serious people" in Washington DC working on the problem. I'm sure they

will come to a "sensible" solution!!

[slackmaster]

144. No, it was caused by the person who did it

Whatever you are referring to.

I'm a bit overweight, but I don't blame forks or even food.

[madinmaryland]

147. with insanely easy access to guns. nt

[Tommy_Carcetti]

146. Shhh....that never happened. Guns don't kill people!

(People with overly easy legal access to guns, often against the better interests of society at large, kill people.)