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one_voice

(20,043 posts)
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 01:03 AM Jan 2012

Supporting Ron Paul....

saw this on facebook...thought it got right to the point.

"Supporting Ron Paul because he happens to espouse a few non-insane viewpoints and ignoring all the crazy Bircher/ Randian/ Libertarian stuff is like saying Charles Manson must be a pretty cool guy because he appreciates the Beatles. "

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ghettonewz-America/162379530449928

edited to add: FRP

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Supporting Ron Paul.... (Original Post) one_voice Jan 2012 OP
Is there anyone on DU actually supporting Ron Paul? Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #1
It feels like it sometimes frazzled Jan 2012 #5
"Does that amount to supporting him?" Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #10
Gosh, you're right, nobody's "supporting" him... TheWraith Jan 2012 #31
Y-e-s. Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #32
Only to those having trouble with the concept-- eridani Jan 2012 #11
Darn right it feels like it, but if you pay attention, there are only A Simple Game Jan 2012 #30
Hell no! frazzled Jan 2012 #33
I don't know.... one_voice Jan 2012 #7
Oddly, I know of alot of progessives and dems supporting the nut zeke67 Jan 2012 #8
Actually three are more accusations here of support for Ron Paul than actual support proud2BlibKansan Jan 2012 #9
I'm getting to the point that I think it's Paul's anti-drugwar stand that's generating the outrage.. Fumesucker Jan 2012 #18
I support the legalization of MJ... one_voice Jan 2012 #19
Too bad that Obama doesn't... Fumesucker Jan 2012 #20
Both major political parties have been too authoritarian, and that's the source of Paul's strength. Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #21
Yeah, I think that's it. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #29
I agree... one_voice Jan 2012 #24
People weren't making hundreds of billions of dollars out of anti-miscegenation laws.. Fumesucker Jan 2012 #26
ok one_voice Jan 2012 #27
I doubt it. Rex Jan 2012 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #15
No, but lots of people accusing others of supporting Ron Paul. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #28
Manson has also long been a proponent for the environment RobertEmmet Jan 2012 #2
Yeah, when he's not out butchering people... CoffeeCat Jan 2012 #4
lol quinnox Jan 2012 #3
I support conservatives supporting him and fracturing the GOP further Populist_Prole Jan 2012 #6
Charles Manson and music MichaelMcGuire Jan 2012 #13
He is an isolationist and believes in no federal government or central authority. Rex Jan 2012 #14
Well put n/t Prophet 451 Jan 2012 #16
See what I mean..some crazy stuff.. zeke67 Jan 2012 #17
LOL. Great analogy. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #22
Blammo! hifiguy Jan 2012 #23
Sums it nicely for me, anyway. n/t 99Forever Jan 2012 #25

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
5. It feels like it sometimes
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 01:20 AM
Jan 2012

Or at least there are some who defend him, solely because of issues like legalization of pot and ending wars (actually, locking the US into isolationist positions across the board, but that's another story).

And then there are those who appear to defend those who defend Paul. Does that amount to supporting him?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
10. "Does that amount to supporting him?"
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 04:16 AM
Jan 2012

Well, when the witch hunt rules are codified, let us know the answer to that.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
31. Gosh, you're right, nobody's "supporting" him...
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 07:44 PM
Jan 2012

They're just talking up his supposed anti-war credentials, how wonderfully anti-imperialist he is, and how much more liberal he is on drugs than Democrats.

That's BESIDE the unending influx of hundreds of Paul trolls over the last couple months dedicated to trying to convert DUers to members of the Paultry.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
30. Darn right it feels like it, but if you pay attention, there are only
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 07:40 PM
Jan 2012

five or six people doing most of the posting about Paul. Your name looks familiar, you aren't one of them are you? At times it seems to be just a diversion from talking about President Obama's mistakes, but I may be wrong, what do you think?

Why shouldn't the Paul defenders be defended? Everyone has a right to support and vote for whom they want, don't they? We may not like it, but as Americans we will defend their right to do so. You agree with that don't you?

Paul would be a footnote in history if people would quit talking about him so much. What do you think?

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
33. Hell no!
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 09:21 PM
Jan 2012

I am a vocal opponent of any kind of libertarianism, right or left. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat and a committed Obama supporter.

 

zeke67

(8 posts)
8. Oddly, I know of alot of progessives and dems supporting the nut
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 03:32 AM
Jan 2012

Some even in my family. They tried to get me to read Greenwald's latest article :

"Progressives and the Ron Paul fallacies "

I tell them about Rocky Anderson, but all they do is rationalize and find excuses.

I am going to divorce them all..

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
18. I'm getting to the point that I think it's Paul's anti-drugwar stand that's generating the outrage..
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 04:06 PM
Jan 2012

That one really points out the hypocrisy of the Democrats on the subject and I notice the Obama Booster Club never mentions it.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
19. I support the legalization of MJ...
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 04:12 PM
Jan 2012

I DO NOT support legalizing all drugs.

Don't see how that makes me a hypocrite.

I also support making prostitution legal.

rah rah sis boom bah ( Obama Booster Club)

Uncle Joe

(58,277 posts)
21. Both major political parties have been too authoritarian, and that's the source of Paul's strength.
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 04:54 PM
Jan 2012

If the Democratic and Republican Parties don't wake up and smell the coffee, people like Paul will come to power in increasing numbers.

girl gone mad

(20,634 posts)
29. Yeah, I think that's it.
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 05:59 PM
Jan 2012

We're stuck with two parties on the extreme authoritarian end of the spectrum and Paul is like the woman at the end of the famous "1984" Apple commercial, throwing the sledgehammer at Big Brother.

Paul himself is basically irrelevant, in my view, but the legacy parties must be concerned that his anti-statist, anti-militaristic ideas might become popular in an era where big government is absolutely not working to improve the lives of the majority of people.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
24. I agree...
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 05:01 PM
Jan 2012

I wish more Dem politicians supported it.

There was a time when inter-racial wasn't supported either.

Sadly we don't take giant leaps we take baby steps.


Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
26. People weren't making hundreds of billions of dollars out of anti-miscegenation laws..
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 05:22 PM
Jan 2012

And our politicians have no problem taking giant steps when it suits them, the PATRIOT Act was signed into law on Oct 26 2001..

Response to Puregonzo1188 (Reply #1)

RobertEmmet

(5 posts)
2. Manson has also long been a proponent for the environment
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 01:11 AM
Jan 2012

Sometimes he makes sense.

But most of the time, he's completely off his rocker.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
4. Yeah, when he's not out butchering people...
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 01:16 AM
Jan 2012

...he gives generously to "green causes" and attends environmental rallies.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
3. lol
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 01:15 AM
Jan 2012

Well, that is maybe a "tiny" bit over the top to compare Ron Paul with Charles Manson, lol, but I get the point of what they are trying to say.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
6. I support conservatives supporting him and fracturing the GOP further
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 01:20 AM
Jan 2012

I can't stand his uber Darwinistic economic libertarianism, but some cons I know like him best just for that....but are bothered....I mean really dismayed at his ostensibly anti-war stance. Never really knew just how important the hawkish views are to some. Weird.

 

MichaelMcGuire

(1,684 posts)
13. Charles Manson and music
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 06:01 AM
Jan 2012

I've been trying to get this out of my head, since a friend shared it with me



You've just reminded me
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
14. He is an isolationist and believes in no federal government or central authority.
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 06:04 AM
Jan 2012

No public oversight in private business and no funding for public works of any kind. A real nutball.

 

zeke67

(8 posts)
17. See what I mean..some crazy stuff..
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 04:00 PM
Jan 2012

We need to get out there with a plan and start changing people's minds before it gets out of control...f'n crazy

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/turnstyle/why-young-liberals-like-m_b_1181427.html

Why Young Liberals, Like Me, Will Vote Ron Paul

CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa -- I've lived in Iowa my whole life, and as a senior political science major at Coe College, I understand the importance of being politically active. But the moves made recently by President Obama and Congress, coupled with some of the outrageous statements made by mainstream Republican candidates, have me nervous as the Iowa caucus fast approaches; whom can I vote for? Not a president who believes it is OK to assassinate American citizens overseas, or a president who would repeal all of the progress made to protect the environment and the rights of gays. Third party? Or just don't vote - a show of no confidence, like the Occupy Movement was doing? Then I realized there was a third option.

I worried about breaking the news to my friend Reid, a hard core liberal.

"Don't be mad at me," I told him, "but I'm afraid I have to vote Republican this coming election."

"Me too," said Reid. "I'm sure not voting for Obama -- I'm voting Ron Paul."
 My jaw dropped. Reid said that although he supported Obama in 2008, he has followed the Texas Congressman for years. He was the only candidate he felt hadn't lied to us and has the voting record to prove it. "And I'm sorry, I don't want to be declared a terrorist and 'disappear' in the middle of the night," Reid said.

Reid and I had been involved in the Occupy Cedar Rapids movement together, me silently documenting, him actively participating. I knew he was angry about Obama's new budget plan. I just never expected him to lean Republican.

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