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Tony_FLADEM

(3,023 posts)
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 11:14 AM Aug 2012

How MIT Students Scammed the Massachusetts Lottery for $8 Million

Maybe Uncle Ben was right: With great power comes great responsibility. While most students at the famed Massachusetts Institute of Technology use their powers for good, for example creating drugs that can fight any virus, others are busily using their prodigious math skills to game the state of Massachusetts’ lottery system, earning millions of dollars in the process.

Several years ago, while doing research for a school project, a group of MIT students realized that, for a few days every three months or so, the most reliably lucrative lottery game in the country was Massachusetts’ Cash WinFall, due to a quirk in the way a jackpot was broken down into smaller prizes if there was no big winner. The math whizzes quickly discovered that buying about $100,000 in Cash WinFall tickets on those days would virtually guarantee success. Buying $600,000 worth of tickets would bring a 15-20 percent return on investment, according to the New York Daily News.



Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/08/07/how-mit-students-scammed-the-massachusetts-lottery-for-8-million/#ixzz22sE2GXrK

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How MIT Students Scammed the Massachusetts Lottery for $8 Million (Original Post) Tony_FLADEM Aug 2012 OP
Lotteries are a tax on folks who are bad at math.... Scuba Aug 2012 #1
True ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #3
I buy a ticket now and then. I account for it in my entertainment expense budget.... Scuba Aug 2012 #4
I do the same, buy one once in a while, just on that wild chance. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #6
True. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #17
I do too DiverDave Aug 2012 #28
Classic case of a 'sucker bet' but I'm with you. It's like the Big Wheel coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #5
I completely agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #19
Pennies in the scheme compared to wall street and the banksters. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #2
Reducing one crime's significance in relation to another is a slippery slope but you've got one... Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #9
Oh great. Now everyone knows about this and will be doing the same thing. RC Aug 2012 #7
Where does the scam part come in? ManiacJoe Aug 2012 #8
Though I indirectly referred upthread to what the students did as a crime, you're right. Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #10
Yeah, calling it a 'scam' is a great way to make it look like they did something wrong. Gormy Cuss Aug 2012 #14
Come to think of it, it was also the MIT folks who excelled at card counting, too... Buns_of_Fire Aug 2012 #16
I see nothing wrong with this. Alduin Aug 2012 #11
It sounds like Massachusetts ... surrealAmerican Aug 2012 #12
Someone is going to win the lottery sooner or later, hedgehog Aug 2012 #18
Massachusetts MADE money on the game. closeupready Aug 2012 #20
I see you are correct ... surrealAmerican Aug 2012 #22
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that I agreed with the decision to closeupready Aug 2012 #23
Worth reading the whole article- great twist in the last 3 paragraphs. nt Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #13
Smart kids. Good for them (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #15
My father was a big gambler goclark Aug 2012 #21
Did he ever get banished? I know of some closeupready Aug 2012 #24
Nope, never got banished.... goclark Aug 2012 #25
Why did you add the word "scammed" to your title?... SidDithers Aug 2012 #26
I copied the title from the article. They must have changed it. Tony_FLADEM Aug 2012 #29
Bogus OP title! Original story says "won" not "scammed." GodlessBiker Aug 2012 #27
They must have changed it. I copied the OP title from the article. Tony_FLADEM Aug 2012 #30
They probably caught the same flack you're catching. Iggo Aug 2012 #31
Welcome to DU goclark Aug 2012 #32
Wrong. It's not a "scam" if you figure out how to win the game while following the rules CreekDog Aug 2012 #33
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
1. Lotteries are a tax on folks who are bad at math....
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 11:16 AM
Aug 2012

... and a con for those who are good, and have a stake.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
3. True ...
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 11:36 AM
Aug 2012

But who, among us, has not fantasized what it would be like to come across a fantastic fortune? And if, the cost to realize that fantasy is a buck or two ... Why not?

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
4. I buy a ticket now and then. I account for it in my entertainment expense budget....
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 11:39 AM
Aug 2012

... and daydream about financial security for my family and a foundation to help folks in poverty.

Sadly, I see a whole lot of folks buy a whole lot of tickets that I know for a fact they can't afford.

DiverDave

(4,886 posts)
28. I do too
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 08:24 AM
Aug 2012

when I can afford a few bucks.
When the inevitable snotty person tells me I'm just throwing away my money
I ask them how much does a movie cost? and how long does it last?
for just a few bucks I can daydream for a couple of days on what I would do
with all that money.
Great bang for my entertainment buck.
And pretty much shuts up the snots.

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
5. Classic case of a 'sucker bet' but I'm with you. It's like the Big Wheel
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 11:41 AM
Aug 2012

game in the casinos. Deep down, you know the vig is horrible but it's so much friggin' fun to do it just once or twice

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
19. I completely agree ...
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 01:09 PM
Aug 2012

Speaking of "sucker bets" ...

Living in Tucson, I am within 40 minutes of 4 Casinoes. Every couple of weeks Mrs. 1StrongBlackMan and I spend a couple hours (and dollars) in them.

Once, BabyGirl 1StrongBlackMan asked, "Dad ... Why do you go to the casino? It's like meeting someone on the street who says, 'Hey, if you give me $100, I MIGHT give you $10,000; but then again, I PROBABLY won't give you a penny!'"

I laughed at the absurd truth in the statement ... and told her to go to bed!

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
9. Reducing one crime's significance in relation to another is a slippery slope but you've got one...
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 11:47 AM
Aug 2012

....hell of a good point there. Really. The manipulation of currencies, precious metals. The manipulation of balance sheets and assets. And what cannot be covered up can be ameliorated through bought and paid for politicians writing bespoke legislation. It makes a story like this pale in comparison. Of course, stories like this unintentionally cement the idea that bigger, grander and far more abusive manipulations aren't going on all the goddamned time on a corporate and banking level- which, they are.

PB

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
7. Oh great. Now everyone knows about this and will be doing the same thing.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 11:42 AM
Aug 2012

Thanks a lot for spreading the word.

That said, It doesn't look like a scam to me. The students just found a flaw and exploited it. They did nothing wrong. It is up to whoever runs the lottery to fix the quirk.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
8. Where does the scam part come in?
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 11:44 AM
Aug 2012

There is no scam is buying enough tickets to move the odds more into your favor. Groups have been doing that for decades.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
14. Yeah, calling it a 'scam' is a great way to make it look like they did something wrong.
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 12:02 PM
Aug 2012

It's just like card counting. Casinos hate math. Apparently lotteries do too.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
18. Someone is going to win the lottery sooner or later,
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 01:03 PM
Aug 2012

the prize pool just keeps getting larger until someone wins.

surrealAmerican

(11,360 posts)
22. I see you are correct ...
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 01:42 PM
Aug 2012

... but I also wonder if profitability for the state should be the only criteria used in designing a lottery.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
23. Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that I agreed with the decision to
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 03:08 PM
Aug 2012

continue running a game that had been cracked. When/if it became clear to lottery officials that the game was flawed, then it should have been either shut down or corrected immediately. To continue running such a game is tantamount to aiding the exploitation of disadvantaged players, thus reducing published odds.

That said, I also see nothing wrong in what the students did, from a player's perspective.

goclark

(30,404 posts)
21. My father was a big gambler
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 01:19 PM
Aug 2012

and our family went to Vegas all the time.

He would win at least 90% of the time.

His theory was -- " If you don't bet, you can't win."

When he rolled the dice, the table was magical!
Other players would wait for him to get to roll again.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
24. Did he ever get banished? I know of some
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 03:10 PM
Aug 2012

professional gamblers who have been banned from Vegas casinos, though I believe casinos in Atlantic City are prohibited, by law, from banning players who are merely lucky.

goclark

(30,404 posts)
25. Nope, never got banished....
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 02:00 AM
Aug 2012

In fact, the hotel would " Comp" our rooms

Another part of the story is that my dad was a physician and African American.
AA's were not allowed to go to Hotels on the Strip, only down town.

One of my dad's friends knew the head Bellman and he got the management of the hotel to invite about ten physicians to come to the hotel with their families.

It was a day to remember!

We were dressed up ( hats, gloves, fancy clothes) and the families formed a long line. The bellman was so thrilled when he opened the door for us -- tears were running down his cheeks.

From that day forward, we were warmly welcomed and that is how African Americans got into Vegas Hotels.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
26. Why did you add the word "scammed" to your title?...
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 02:43 AM
Aug 2012

It's not used in the title of the Time article.

There was no scamming involved, just good data analysis, statistics and probability. The students did nothing illegal.

Sid

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