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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat if Romney's playing rope-a-dope with his tax returns?
Posit: He has every intent of releasing his returns, which conceal nothing illegal or even questionable or offensive, but he's holding onto them to give the Democrats more time to make demands that he release them. Then he releases them and the ensuing flurry of non-harmful facts buries the Democrats and the president.
What if?
(Re-posted - originally a reply in another thread.)
The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)About the only consistent position he has taken in his political career is a refusal to release his tax returns. He knows full well the perfectly legal things in them will stink to high heaven, and ruin any political prospects he might have.
"Romney loves America like a tick loves a dog."
Matariki
(18,775 posts)That quote is brilliant. Is it yours? It needs to go viral at any rate.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)mazzarro
(3,450 posts)He can't be playing rope-a-dope for the races he ran and refused to release his returns. He even refused to release his Olympic games management records! Is that also a rope-a-dope? Not to talk about the fact that he erased computer hard drives of his term as governor. The dude is not joking - he is serious about not letting anything about him come to light.
Not Me
(3,398 posts)Seriously.
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)It's the old Occam's Razor. Go with the explanation that requires the fewest assumptions. Mitt has a troubled financial history, as his furious back-pedaling away from Bain can attest. There's something nasty in those returns. Bet on it.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)And the damage is already done. Romney has now been dubbed Romney Hood. At this point his releasing his taxes will prove he earned the title.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Yes of course.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)The first time I typed Romney's name even before seeing other people type it that was I did that, it was an accident then I noticed what I did and thought you know what that looks more accurate. I don't even notice anymore when someone spells Rmoney.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)If he chooses to run at all this will be a non-issue by that point in time. It's pretty much a win-win situation we're in here. Other Dems are supporting what Reid said, and Reid doesn't have much, if anything to lose.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)and when he releases his tax returns he'll have maybe a few hours of GOOD publicity from it?
Can you tell me how these are equal in your mind? The longer he goes without releasing them the more questions it puts in the minds of the voters. He can't just erase those questions by coming out one morning with the tax returns and nothing in them. It's simple psychology. Put it into the people's heads over and over again and it will stick, even if it's not true and has been proven wrong.
Bertha Venation
(21,484 posts)"Can you tell me how these are equal in your mind?"
They are not equal in my mind. I've simply opened a discussion on something that's been troubling me.
karynnj
(59,501 posts)This has gone on too long for that. This is the time that Romney needs to positively define himself - he can't do it in just the convention. The last month has questioned his Bain actions and his financial actions on his taxes. Many who might have been looking for a viable alternative to Obama, may in the last month seen that he does not have the gravitas or diplomatic skill to be a statesman and that he does not have the character and honesty needed to be a good alternative. His brittleness when questioned on this alone may make it seem that he is not Presidential.
In 2004, Kerry who did act in a Presidential manner and who had the integrity and character - along with the diplomatic skill and background to be President was ambushed by Bush allies at this time of the process. Due to the McCain/Feingold rules, he was also facing using the same amount of money that Bush did over 8 weeks over the 13 weeks between the convention and the election. (Note the the media did FAR less to question the lies (the media had the Navy records and the liars contradicted them) than they have questioned the fact that the Democrats are attacking Mitt on Bain and taxes - even if not lies. The purpose of the liars was not really to end up convincing the country, but to minimize Kerry's success in using his genuine heroism and what it said of his character and integrity to define his character.
I am not equating the two - with only the difference of lies vs facts or contested facts. In Romney's case, he has claimed that his bio shows he would be a good President, but he has then hidden virtually all records of all the important parts of his life. Where in 2004, Kerry was exactly who he said he was - and he gained more support as people actually knew him, Romney is liked less as more is known of him. So, while this period was important to both, Kerry's need was to get more people to actually hear him and know him - while Romney's need is to keep hidden most of what he did and who he is. In 2004, the media aided Bush by not giving Kerry the time they gave other nominees. This year much of the media has tried to help Romney - with things like various people arguing that the "barbering" incident was unimportant and showed nothing about the current Romney, their problem is that Romney is so prone to gaffes that they have not been able to create a favorable image for him - as they did for George Bush.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)evidence of being clever. And he has a tendency to fire advisers who are smarter than him--which is just about everybody. I think he's just up shit creek on this one.
yewberry
(6,530 posts)I reassure myself with the knowledge that there was a $77,000 deduction for dressage on the documentation we do have, so it's quite likely that there will be more of that kind of thing. Even if the details are technically legal, that leaves a very sour taste for people like me, struggling to gross half of that in a year.
SDjack
(1,448 posts)nomination and election process. USA has serious problems and needs serious participants, not gamers.
madinmaryland
(64,931 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Rope a dope worked for Ali when he was just past his prime but still able to put up an excellent fight in short bursts. It didn't work at all in his last fights, he had nothing in the tank to start with.
Mittens is now in perpetual defense mode and his major selling point "I'm a Bidness Man" (besides of course "I'm the White Guy" is now a major detraction. Like the swiftboat offensive against Kerry, this neutralizes his game plan. Team Romney is in disaster recovery mode, and the Obama campaign is not going to let up and allow them to regroup.
He can't release his taxes. If he could he would have already done so. His taxes are a major embarrassment. The details of that embarrassment are either TBD or the Democrats will be allowed to speculate freely. Either way it is a win. But wait, there is more to come.
Meanwhile please donate to the Obama campaign so they can keep those great ads running. They are working.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,406 posts)ESPECIALLY if there's nothing damaging in them is: Why did it take so long? I would add too that all Reid and the Democrats have thrown up is speculation and innuendo. They're being careful to avoid making any specific allegations (or they are talking about things they say they have heard from other sources), so if the returns are released and there is nothing particularly bad in them, people (including Reid, et. al) will just shrug their shoulders and move on. The damage to Mitt is done already and it's certainly not going to sink President Obama if it turns out that there is no "there" there, particularly since he has largely been on the sidelines on this issue. I don't think I've heard him say anything that might blow up in his face if this all turns out to be "much ado about nothing", has he?
unblock
(52,196 posts)merely putting out clean tax returns merely ends the attacks against rmoney.
rope-a-dope requires obama to essentially deplete his resources on an attack rmoney knows will fail AND THEN come out with some blistering attack against obama that obama will be too broke to respond to effectively.
do you really think rmoney has that kind of dirt against obama and he's just keeping his powder dry?
i don't think so.
especially because, at this point, he looks weak if he caves and releases his tax returns even if they're clean.
if rope-a-dope were his strategy, he might have said he would release his taxes "in due time" or "we're working on it". he would have made DELAYING noises rather than refusals.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)It has already done enough damage to Mittster to mitigate anything he would get by coming up with a clean return.
It would not hurt the dems if his return came out squeaky clean. But it is hurting him like hell, now. That can't be undone no matter what he shows in the end.
But he is hiding a possibility of many things like:
felony voting from districts not lived in
lying about where he lived when he ran as Governor.
huge income that is not like the rest of ours
questionable deductions
taking amnesty
keeping money in foreign banks
improper tithing
lower tax rate than what he stated
no tax
money back
donations
holdings
improper claims
outright lies
unreported income
damage done to dems if taxes are clean? 0
damage done to his campaign for refusal to show-priceless
This is not a Rover trick people. This is actual stupidity on the part of the republican presumptive nominee and we should all be relishing it. Times they are a changing.
IndyJones
(1,068 posts)strategy for Romney to postpone releasing his returns until much later so that people can continue to focus on this one issue and continue to get all spun up over it and then release them to show that it was all a waste of energy and time. They know that as long as people are spending energy on this issue, many other more important issues are being ignored.
33Greeper
(188 posts)Release at least 10 years of tax returns. What are you hiding? Did you apply for IRS Amnesty on your Swiss bank account? Is it true what's being said about you paying NO Federal Income taxes for ten years? Inquiring independent voters want to know.
Broderick
(4,578 posts)The narrative has been created and the damage is being done. He can pull them out later and no matter how great they look in his favor, the narrative was set.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)kctim
(3,575 posts)Whether he releases them tonight, tomorrow or never, it's not going to sway the election one way or another.
Those who "care" about this are the ones who were already going to vote for or against him anyway.
President Obama in a landslide either way.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Willard made his career in Risk Management, and he weighed the risks of this constant barrage over taking the hit for a few days by releasing his taxes. He KNOWS that whatever is in there is more damaging than taking the hits for not releasing.
Not that he did anything illegal, but there will be a massive spotlight on how the rich evade their tax burden with loopholes. Carried Interest, offset on US taxes for foreign taxes paid, etc...
Not to mention, the RW won't be pleased about his financial gains on stem cell research companies, Teva: who makes the morning after pill (now that it is off patent), donations to Planned Parenthood and others deemed "unseemly" by the base.
Or - ask yourself - why didn't he release his taxes in 2002 when he had the (R) nom for Governor?
Sorry - but those tax returns are political nuclear waste and will never see the light of day as filed.
1-Old-Man
(2,667 posts)The very moment the Champ's energy conservation scheme proved to be effective he came right off the ropes and defeated his opponents. For Romney to follow suit he would have already released his returns and they would have come up clean - but that hasn't happened.
Just keep this in mind: If Mohamed Ali had stayed on the ropes until the end of the fight he would have lost on points.
part man all 86
(367 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)for romney----unless he would have ended this a Month ago----
I hope he's done nothing illegal and morally offensive.
It's not the Politicians and Pres that have demanded these records-its All of America . We the People are yelling much louder, Including GOP'rs than this Pres and Harry combined.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Rabid_Rabbit
(131 posts)but it seems strange. If there was something bad in the returns, why not release it sooner rather than later. He has to know that the media will hound him about this and he has to give in at some point
cleduc
(653 posts)He'd be giving further details towards having to explain how his IRA grew to 10,000 years worth of max contributions.
He may throw out a bone but he's not going to show much more because he can't. It would dominate much of the remaining election cycle and folks dug up more stuff from it
For about two weeks straight, it seems he's been getting hammered on something:
- foreign policy gaffes
- Reid and tax returns
- Tax Policy Center report
- Lying about Ohio military voters - early voting
- RomneyHood
- Rafalka
- etc
Negative articles about Romney are way up and many, many more than Obama.
He's in a tough fight to get his campaign on message because they seem to be on their heels daily - and that's free advertising for Obama when the mainstream media is consumed with that.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)The one without the special form for reporting foreign income?
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Romney left off the form as to foriegn assets and the exact amount in the Swiss and other bank accounts
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)part man all 86
(367 posts)Any damage from this will come from voters that have already decided for mitty litter. Focus on maybe registering a couple of people from now until november, which will be my next little adventure to get out of my house.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)PB
rrneck
(17,671 posts)Even if he paid every dime he made in taxes and has the paperwork to prove it keep pounding him. Demand every scrap of financial information possible.
Keep talking about how much money he has and how little everybody else has.
JHB
(37,158 posts)He's been tight with his returns in every election he's ever run in. He planned to just stonewall like he always has, but this time it's not fading out like he's used to.
malaise
(268,930 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)I don't think that does much to elevated Romney. It might have before he had the nomination in the bag, but not now.
Ineeda
(3,626 posts)to claim they're fake, forgeries, not legitimate -- kinda like the birth certificate. 'Course I don't believe he ever will, as he never has before. But I think it would be funny and (R) heads would be exploding all over the place.
spanone
(135,823 posts)probably MILLIONS alone deducted for horses/boarding/trasport etc. over the years....a hobby.
deaniac21
(6,747 posts)dkf
(37,305 posts)He would show that Harry Reid is making it all up.
maxrandb
(15,320 posts)is if he's had his accountants working what we in the Navy call "Port and Report" shifts filing amendments and writing checks. Then he will claim, the years I didn't pay taxes were "accounting errors" and I've now made corrections and paid all required taxes.
mom2threegirls
(37 posts)...which look good on the surface, but which we won't have enough time to prove wrong.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)If he was going to release his tax returns, he would have released them months ago. He's being absolutely destroyed, torn down, ripped to shreds all around and releasing the tax returns won't change that. The damage has been inflicted and there is no rollin' it back.
Romney has been defined. That image is concrete now. Just as McGovern was for amnesty, abortion and acid, Dukakis was a soft on crime, tax-and-spend liberal, Gore was boring and dull and Kerry was a traitor - the image has stuck and will remain for the remainder of the campaign ... no matter when or if Romney releases his returns.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Especially after he got Harry Reid to make his charges on the floor of the Senate.
It's a way to transform a ho-hum, "look at his Cayman Island accounts" story into something that he can rebound from. Now, I surely hope I'm wrong, but he outmaneuvered his Rethug competition, didn't he?