I feel so bad for Canada, in 10-15 yrs due to the ravages of global warming, it will absorbed by the

[CK_John]

US.

Canada will not even know it until newspapers start referring to Ontario as a state.

[Hayabusa]

1. I'd say around 2050

I think that's when Fallout "predicted" the annexxing of Canada into the US. Then the war with China in 2066...

[CK_John]

2. Much sooner if the North Bay stays open year round. nt

[riverbendviewgal]

3. What is the north Bay?

what are you referring to? LOL.

what dp you base your statement on?

[CK_John]

5. See we are beginning to rename things already. nt

[RZM]

17. I've been to North Bay, Ontario

Nice little town.

[riverbendviewgal]

4. What is the title of your SF book?

I am so curious.

[Zalatix]

14. Ever heard of the game "Fallout"?

[0rganism]

25. here you go

http://www.interplay.com/games/fallout.php

Fallout is considered by many to be one of the greatest and most influential computer-aided role playing games ever made.

I'll just say if you have any interest in entertainment of any kind, let alone games, and a computer beefy enough to load a webpage, you owe it to yourself to try it out.

Here's the opening cutscene:

[cleduc]

6. A few of decades ago, that might have been a consideration

Now, I think Canadians have it pretty good and there's zero chance they'd go for it - particularly with what is going on with the GOP these days.

[CK_John]

7. That's exactly why it will be absorbed. NYC in 3ft of water, Florida gone,

wheat belt moved to Manitoba. Canada will not be asked just flooded with 40 or 50 million people from the US, looking for new start.

Air bases moved to Baffin, sea bases opened on Beaufort(not SC) Bay to keep sea lanes open.

Just absorbed not annexed.

[Blue_In_AK]

8. I would kindly ask the US not to absorb Alaska.

Leave the Yukon Territory alone, too.

[cleduc]

12. I'm also concerned about climate change, etc

And I'm largely supportive of efforts to curtail it.

But NY city in 3 ft of water in the next 15 years? Seems way over the top to me from what I've read and learned on the subject. I've seen stuff like the Florida Keys gone in 100-250 years. Or the water level around NY city rising by 2-3 feet by the end of the century - closer to something like that at the top end and maybe, according to some scientific predicts, just 30% of that.

For those of us trying to sell others on climate change, if you go too extreme, you harm the credibility of your message.

[CK_John]

19. Wall St is 6in below sea level and will flood regularly in 2-3 yrs. nt

[RZM]

20. What are you going to say in three years when Wall St. is the same as it ever was?

I'm guessing you'll probably just postpone the flooding for another 2-3 years.

[CK_John]

23. Tough question, I'm not sure about this friday yet.

[cleduc]

24. New York City Braces for Risk of Higher Seas

With Ocean Levels Rising, Coastal Cities Assess Computer Forecasts as They Weigh Future Costs, Exposure and Dangers
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125261934441101047.html

In their efforts, Mr. Aggarwala and his colleagues have been guided by a panel of city-appointed climate experts from NASA and Columbia University, whose report predicts that by 2080 New York will have the climate Raleigh, N.C., has today. By their estimate, it will be about seven degrees Fahrenheit warmer and sea level may be two feet higher, unless polar ice sheets do melt.

That estimate is maybe 2 feet higher by 2080.

[yawnmaster]

58. Wall street is not below sea level. more like 0.5 to 1 meter above sea level. eom

[RZM]

18. You're really arguing that Florida will be gone in 10-15 years?

I think not. Maybe a couple thousand years from now. But then again, maybe not.

[CK_John]

21. Yes, at least from St Augustine down. nt

[truebrit71]

52. A couple of THOUSAND years?

Try "before the end of this century" it is far more likely at the rate the CO2 levels keep going..

[RZM]

55. You could be right

I don't really know. Thousands seems like a safer prediction to me, but it could be much earlier too.

[amandabeech]

49. They already grow wheat in Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta.

The wheat belt will move north until it hits the Canadian shield and other areas that have very poor soil.

Southeastern Manitoba may be able to grown corn if irrigation is available.

Canada will become stronger because most of its farmland will still be producing. There's no way that a strong Canada will become part of the U.S. They have a different country and they don't want to be us.

They like being Canadian far too much and would repulse any action from here to take them over. At least every Canadian that I've met.

[TrogL]

59. ...and we have powerful friends.

[ibegurpard]

9. uh, I'd say Canada's a lot better positioned

to withstand climate change due to global warming than we are.

[ibegurpard]

11. OK, i get it now

interesting thesis

[Buns_of_Fire]

27. Ah, but then come the glaciers.

This will force everyone (including the newly-dislocated Canadians) to scuttle back south across the border, but it will soon be realized that the newly-diminished size of the former US can't handle the population and will lead to everyone to start looking at Mexico.

By then, Mexico will have completed the long-since-abandoned wall between the two countries, and will admit only the Canadian refugees, since they tend to be better-behaved and don't spend all day dancing the Macarena and depleting the national tequila reserves.

Within a few years, what's left of the population of the former US will all be squeezed within a ten-mile strip bordering I-10, coast-to-coast, and survive only by having yard sales and selling each other really bad beer.

And then China decides to repossess I-10, and the problems really start...

[a la izquierda]

47. Thank god I have a PhD in Mexican history, and my Mexican friends love me...

I think I can get a waiver.
I'll happily give tours of Mayan ruins to Canadians who wish to learn about their adopted homelands.

[Marrah_G]

10. LOL that might be the silliest thing I have ever heard.

[Cali_Democrat]

13. And here I thought I was the only one

[CK_John]

16. The dust bowl wasn't a football game. nt

[Marrah_G]

22. Maybe if I had a couple drinks your posts would make more sense to me.

CK- I am completely lost on how or why you think Canada is going to become part of the US.

[bluedigger]

15. They'll always have Don Cherry, though.

I'd say it's a push.

[DDO16kadams]

26. Lol

This assumed the warming is unnatural... Which it isn't. Also I don't understand how that would work.

Less ice means we take them? Cool. Let's burn more things!

[Skip Intro]

28. I don't think Canada will abdicate its southern border.

I'm assuming you mean the US will move itself northward to escape the heat.

I think Canada would fight before allowing us to just waltz right in. They'd defend their border, with the help of the Queen if necessary.

[Kaleva]

32. How about we just tell them their southern border is now on the Rio Grande.

[aquart]

29. Bless your heart, we'll be lucky if they accept our refugees.

They will be able to grow wheat. We won't. And it looks like corn is out, too.

So smile and practice saying "Eh." You'll need it.

[virgogal]

54. We accepted their people for years. My mother and her 6 sisters amongst them.

Payback time.

[Amonester]

30. We will welcome all liberals willing to learn French ASAP.

And if they apply for citizenship legally.

[DonCoquixote]

31. side note

Is french actually used outside west of Ontario? I ask because we have a LOT of people with dual citizenship, and the first thing they seem to say is "thank god I do not need to use french down here."

[Amonester]

33. There are a few French-speaking communities west of Ontario, but I was just kidding...

Mastering the French language is not requested for residency.

There are other 'demands' though, although good students may have a better chance of staying after graduation.

[DonCoquixote]

34. Odd

I was told it helps a lot, because at one time i considered going to Quebec, namely because my sister has some odd disease that is mostly Quebecois (myotonic dystrophy). I am also told that although it is part of Canada, Quebec tends to play by it's own rules for immigration.

[Amonester]

50. True that Quebec has its own Ministry of Immigration.

All other nine provinces don't, as they all go by the rules of the Federal government's own Immigration Ministry.

Quebec does have special needs as it wants to 'protect' its own French culture from slowly diminishing to disappear in an ocean of ever growing English culture all over North America. To do so, it requires a minimum knowledge of French language understanding, both written and spoken. That said, there are many English-only small businesses that can operate in Quebec (mostly in and around Montreal), as long as they advertize (if need be) bigger letters in French than in English. That's not, or should not, be too much of a big deal if they really want to succeed for a significant period, IMHO.

[cali]

35. If you're right about the ravages of global warning

being that severe in that short of a period, the U.S. won't be in any position to annex anything. Ever think about that?

[CK_John]

36. Please read post 7. nt

[FSogol]

37. *

[CreekDog]

38. Canadians will be pleased to know that because you predicted it, this fate will not occur

And no, posting it in English would not make it more convincing.

CK_John Mon Mar-22-10 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #50
53. Sell everything short. 6500 before New Year. n/t

CK_John Wed Aug-13-08 12:56 PM
Original message
Obama needs to be prepared to address the draft question, it's only a matter of days before

McCain or Cheney bring this into the campaign.

Obama should get out in front of this issue, by asking Bush, what invisible army are we going to send to the aid of Poland if he installs those anti-missiles systems. It's too late for Georgia.

Whatever Obama does he can not rule out a draft or he will lose the election.

CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-13-08 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. I doubt there will be any debates, maybe a VP debate but that's all. n/t

CK_John (1000+ posts) Mon Mar-03-08 09:24 PM
Original message
Wednesday begins the long march, Hillary to the WH, Obama back to the Senate. n/t

CK_John (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-23-08 08:50 AM
Original message
If Obama is as good of a politician as I think, he will soon exit after extracting his next career
position from Hillary.

He knows the math and since I believe he is a control freak and decision challenged he will never be willing to place his future in the hands of another(his VP pick).

He will never be able to select a VP that will be perfect enough for him and may have already may a deal with the Mayor of NYC to do the selection process for him. A deal that may have avoided a 3rd party challenge but something that now would lead to a total rejection in the GE.

He knows he is not ready for the next stage and if he is honest with himself will step aside and get ready for 2012.

CK_John (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-30-08 07:24 AM
Response to Original message
7. Obama suspends his campaign May 8th. n/t

CK_John (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-19-08 09:16 AM
Original message
Obama has to win in PA to get the nomination. He has to show he is a winner and not a whiner.
A close loss is not going to be enough. At this point it's not about Hillary but about him. He has to show he can get votes and not just crowds.

CK_John (1000+ posts) Wed Apr-09-08 05:05 PM
Original message
IMO, Condi is being test marketed to sub for McCain at their convention or shortly after. It's looks
to me like the old bait and switch if Obama gets the nomination. John Roberts is being held in reserve if Hillary gets the nod. I don't believe Cheney will ever take a chance on McCain.

CK_John (1000+ posts) Sat May-17-08 09:58 PM
Response to Original message
48. It is foolish to think Cheney will leave McCain on the ticket, and Obama will not carry NY or CA. nt

CK_John (1000+ posts) Sun Jun-01-08 01:06 PM
Original message
Obama will probably face Gov Palin or Jindal. McCain's health problems are
becoming more obvious. Is he ready?

CK_John (1000+ posts) Mon Aug-18-08 04:43 PM
Original message
My last word on Obama's VP pick, it will be Melinda Gates or Caroline Kennedy.
The past is prologue.

CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-26-08 12:01 PM
Original message
Political geeks totally miss the power of pop culture, that is why Palin may well be the next President.

The political pundits (real ones and DU pundits) think its all about government,issues,leadership, the common good,etc. They have bypassed the influence of pop culture and don't even try to understand it or its role in getting people elected.

The focus of the current culture is best summed up by reality TV shows. The pop culture glorifies stupidity, wannabes, and easy solutions to complex problems.

Right now pop culture knows it doesn't know what is going on in the world, is fearful of economic ruin, feels guilty for enjoying soft porn, want to be cared for, and above all don't make me think it hurts my head.

That is why they love Palin. She is hot, mouthy, doesn't think, hates science and math, and doesn't give a shit about anyone but Palin. She is them.

Palin knows this and will milk it for all its worth (right now 7 million and rising) and will run in 2012 and probably win, unless the pop culture shifts or is shifted to serious concern for themselves and the planet.

The only good news is fads and pop culture come and go quickly usually 4 or 5 TV seasons.

CK_John (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 07:37 PM
Original message
IMO, Jindal was not lying about being VP, McCain will dropout and endorse him for the nomination.
I think Cheney is pulling the plug on the McCain dog and pony show.

The only question I have is, has Cheney found out who Obama will pick for VP because he will bring in a matched pair. If it is Obama/Clinton then Cheney will bring in Jindal/Palin.

We'll know more Thur with the big LA announcement.

CK_John (1000+ posts) Sun Aug-10-08 09:33 AM
Original message
Why does anyone think Obama will win? Almost every DU'er seems to be the only vote within their
immediate family, their extended family, their job, and their casual friends according to the many posts fighting the brave and lonely fight for Obama. Even here I doubt Obama gets 51% due to being non citizens, not registered, incapable of making any decisions, underage, etc.

In my area of upstate NY there is 0 support, no signs, no car stickers, 20% outright racism, 30% covert racism, 25% won't vote for varies reasons, and rest will vote for Obama but will not say so publicly.

I think the reality is Obama is down about 15% and anyone who thinks this is a cakewalk is a fool.

CK_John (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-15-08 07:55 AM
Response to Original message
7. NY and NJ are in play. Many of those dem's were hardhats for Nixon. n/t

CK_John (1000+ posts) Mon Sep-15-08 08:14 AM
Response to Reply #20
30. Obama will not win by more than 5 points in any state. n/t

[CK_John]

39. My favorite cyber staker comes to save Canada. nt

[CreekDog]

40. how many of your last dozen OP's have I even replied to?

watch the accusations.

[CK_John]

42. You need help or were you stupid enough to take financial advice on a political forum.

It seems to be your lead quote. Get over it!

[CreekDog]

60. You know, I used to think I was really gullible

until I started reading your threads.

[Bluenorthwest]

41. I also remembered many of those posts. The prediction that Palin would run and win in 2012

due to 'reality TV culture' is the sort of post one just does not easily forget. The hilarity of it then was as clear as the inaccuracy of it is now....

[CK_John]

43. Today they are trying to pay her off to not crash the convention

I think I was very close at the time.

[Bluenorthwest]

44. You said she'd run and win in 2012. Because of reality TV and how stupid those who are not you

really are. That's not close, not even in the ballpark. Inaccurate as anything, hilarious as many things, hard to forget and many will remember that sort of post.

[CK_John]

45. You don't believe everything you read on an opinion forum, if you do you are stupid.

[FSogol]

46. LOL, awesome list. I dub him NOTstradamus

Good times.

[NCTraveler]

48. Too funny.

What's not is people posting bs about global climate change. Things like the op can be used as ammo against a very serious issue.

[JoePhilly]

51. That's some funny stuff.

[Uncle Joe]

53. It won't happen until June 3 2072 and then only because the Chinese invade Alaska.

Thanks for the thread, CK_John

[yawnmaster]

56. so people move. Things change. It's been like that through all of human history. eom

[JPZenger]

57. Canadian agriculture is booming this year, while US is drought stricken

I just heard on the radio about how changes in air flows are affecting weather this year. Most of the US is in a severe drought, which is reducing agricultural production. Meanwhile, Canada is getting almost too much rain, and will have bumper crops. Mother Nature likes Canada better. The drought vs. wet weather divide is very close to the Canadian border.

[CreekDog]

61. I feel so bad for Greenland, it will be absorbed by Canada

then the US will be absorbed by Mexico

and penguins will have to move to Pluto

[mick063]

62. Oil

Nothing more needs to be said.