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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 06:52 PM Aug 2012

Harry Reid: My Source On Romney’s Taxes Is A Republican (updated)

Last edited Fri Aug 10, 2012, 05:36 PM - Edit history (1)

Harry Reid: My Source On Romney’s Taxes Is A Republican

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) is keeping his story about Mitt Romney’s taxes alive another day. On Thursday, an aide teased more details about the Bain Capitol investor Reid says told him Romney didn’t pay taxes for 10 years. From the Huffington Post:

“This person is an investor in Bain Capital, a Republican also, and somebody who has been dealing with Romney’s company for a long, long time and he has direct knowledge of this,” said Reid aide Jose Parra, referring to Romney’s tax returns.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/harry-reid-my-source-on-romneys-taxes-is


Updated to add:

UPDATE: 7:08 p.m. -- Parra now says he doesn't know whether Reid's source is Republican. In an email to HuffPost, he wrote:

"I do not know the party affiliation of the source, how long he invested with Bain, or his relationship to Romney beyond the fact that he was an investor with Bain Capital, as Senator Reid has previously stated."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/harry-reid-mitt-romney-tax-returns_n_1762255.html


The toast image stays though:

Jon Huntsman Sr., longtime Romney backer, calls on him to release tax returns
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021105291





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Harry Reid: My Source On Romney’s Taxes Is A Republican (updated) (Original Post) ProSense Aug 2012 OP
The Plot Thickens! freshwest Aug 2012 #1
He took his comment back. emilyg Aug 2012 #113
Link? freshwest Aug 2012 #116
no link? ozsea1 Aug 2012 #117
Read it on DU - you can search. emilyg Aug 2012 #123
Nope! ozsea1 Aug 2012 #126
Here is the 'walk back' and a link - so the OP is no longer correct. Tx4obama Aug 2012 #127
Thank you - I had no emilyg Aug 2012 #136
Look below - link added. Nice try emilyg Aug 2012 #137
11 posts and u calling me a PUMA? emilyg Aug 2012 #138
You use HuffPo as a credible source?? ozsea1 Aug 2012 #145
It's been years since emilyg Aug 2012 #146
the "walk-back", as you stated ozsea1 Aug 2012 #148
wouldn't a republican have a motive to lie to Harry? mucifer Aug 2012 #2
Is that you Karl Rove? rfranklin Aug 2012 #3
Ya got me... I'm karl rove. mucifer Aug 2012 #5
I was envisioning another setup by Rove... rfranklin Aug 2012 #29
Darn I wanted to be karl rove mucifer Aug 2012 #30
There can only be one turd blossom... chknltl Aug 2012 #43
DUzy! lol canuckledragger Aug 2012 #56
heh...he...hheehh....hack...cough.... concreteblue Aug 2012 #63
Fart-petals!????!?!??!?!!!!!!!! OMG!!!! chknltl!!!! calimary Aug 2012 #65
fart-petals Aerows Aug 2012 #72
LULZ!!! DeSwiss Aug 2012 #139
Say what....Fart Petals is already trademarked? Drats! chknltl Aug 2012 #140
Ecclesiastes 9:11 DeSwiss Aug 2012 #142
Somewhere on the thread, he's going to show up. freshwest Aug 2012 #114
Doesn't matter ProSense Aug 2012 #7
Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #20
+1 kentuck Aug 2012 #27
Does it matter? Bandit Aug 2012 #17
Nothing Else Matters freshwest Aug 2012 #115
yeah but old school republicans PatrynXX Aug 2012 #49
Okay, so play that out, "Karl". Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #74
Interesting scenario. klook Aug 2012 #81
Good point. glinda Aug 2012 #112
Many moderate republicans are unhappy with the extremists in the party. DrewFlorida Aug 2012 #125
Jon Huntsman? Cali_Democrat Aug 2012 #4
My thought as well BeyondGeography Aug 2012 #11
Interesting. Remember ProSense Aug 2012 #15
Given the latest clues, that's my guess. hifiguy Aug 2012 #42
Verrry interesting! NoMoreWarNow Aug 2012 #78
Yes. DevonRex Aug 2012 #86
I think you are right - it is certainly hifiguy Aug 2012 #87
Huntsman has been my guess for some time. Brewinblue Aug 2012 #88
You just may be on to something!! jillan Aug 2012 #102
That was my guess, as well. Frustratedlady Aug 2012 #104
Daily Kos is saying it's Jon Huntsman, Sr. SemperEadem Aug 2012 #110
Markos discussed this on The Stephanie Miller Show this morning, Pacific time ozsea1 Aug 2012 #118
Maybe they do talk about it around the table....... ohheckyeah Aug 2012 #134
Yeah, the elder Huntsman could be the one. alfredo Aug 2012 #111
Give em hell, Harry! n/t progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #6
Jim Greer from Florida, former GOPer....MAD AS HELL uponit7771 Aug 2012 #8
McCain nt PCIntern Aug 2012 #9
+1 LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #33
++2 proud patriot Aug 2012 #66
+3 Maybe Reid remembers McCain talking about it from 4 years ago when/why he chose Palin NightWatcher Aug 2012 #76
Drip ... Drip ... Drip ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #10
Bwahahahah. Thinking it's Rick Davis or A.B. Culvahouse berni_mccoy Aug 2012 #12
In all likelihood, Willard knows who his Nemesis is. maxsolomon Aug 2012 #13
I am so stealing that image! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2012 #14
Wouldn't it be a hoot if it were Ann Romney? sadbear Aug 2012 #16
. ProSense Aug 2012 #19
Hmmm, Makes me think it could be Matt or Ben Romney berni_mccoy Aug 2012 #21
Nuh uh. Like Ann, the boys have never seen the returns. aquart Aug 2012 #38
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #23
I doubt she's even glanced at the returns. aquart Aug 2012 #34
LOL - Good one! - n/t coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #106
What with the deathsquad investors, pornkings at Marriott, etc. Mitt seems more human every day. dimbear Aug 2012 #18
Huntsman. Huntsman's Dad was a very early investor with Bain. grantcart Aug 2012 #22
and a fellow mormon. Bluerthanblue Aug 2012 #37
that is my first guess as well maddezmom Aug 2012 #40
First thing I thought of Canuckistanian Aug 2012 #77
Harry should stop talking now...STOP, say. no. more...n/t monmouth Aug 2012 #24
Why ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #32
The slow release of info NewJeffCT Aug 2012 #57
Oh ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #96
Funny you should come up with that metaphor-- Jackpine Radical Aug 2012 #97
The RNC convention isn't until the end of the month... toddwv Aug 2012 #120
Worst. Advice. Ever. KEEP attacking this coward, day after day after day after Grown2Hate Aug 2012 #92
Professor Plum...... In the Study.......... With the Tax Returns!! Scuba Aug 2012 #25
Everyone knows Professor Plum is a Democrat sadbear Aug 2012 #26
Oh Harry you little boxer you. Drip, drip, drip southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #28
yeah, let's just hope Romney isn't... TDale313 Aug 2012 #31
Ropa-Doping or not ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #35
Is it asking too much for Reid to deliver the knock-out uppercut during coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #107
They say that Reid is very honest and I don't think he would say something like this if southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #58
Remember when McCain said his campaign 'didn't see anything' in Romney's tax returns? Marr Aug 2012 #36
Or ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #39
Maybe he didn't see anything..... kentuck Aug 2012 #51
If he didn't see anything truebluegreen Aug 2012 #84
You mean he's blind? Marr Aug 2012 #89
I think his statement was saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #131
Harry is just screwing w/ Mitt's mind now. Botany Aug 2012 #41
Yup. hifiguy Aug 2012 #50
Sure he is ... bayareaboy Aug 2012 #53
So that recent meeting between Rove and Rmoney in colorado was just a nice friendly visit? notadmblnd Aug 2012 #95
I don't think Mittens drinks coffee ... bayareaboy Aug 2012 #103
I'm saying they were stratigizing with Karl Roves super PAC. notadmblnd Aug 2012 #122
Yes, I will really agree with you on that one! bayareaboy Aug 2012 #141
It will come up with something sleazier than the last. right now they are trying notadmblnd Aug 2012 #144
i love it. Keep up the good work Harry!!! Pisces Aug 2012 #44
Not only is the source a Republican, but ejbr Aug 2012 #45
Now that's just fucking old school Major Nikon Aug 2012 #46
WOW, who'd a thunk that .... chknltl Aug 2012 #47
Mittens probably told Harry....lol graywarrior Aug 2012 #48
All the republicans are running around... liberal N proud Aug 2012 #52
OMG, that is probably so true. Paranoia . . . will coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #108
YOUR MOVE, MITTWITT elzenmahn Aug 2012 #54
Let me Guess... It's Oren Hatch? Liberalman777 Aug 2012 #55
Who ever it is must have given Harry permission marlakay Aug 2012 #59
This Guy Fits DallasNE Aug 2012 #60
Ten to one Romney let it slip years ago in a phone call, but Reid made it sound recent tomm2thumbs Aug 2012 #61
I don't think there is a single shred of evidence that happened 1-Old-Man Aug 2012 #98
Huntsman’s family gave nearly $25,000 to Reid last cycle cleduc Aug 2012 #62
I think we have a bingo N/t Floyd_Gondolli Aug 2012 #64
Further to that cleduc Aug 2012 #73
K&R BumRushDaShow Aug 2012 #67
It's really starting to look like Reid isn't going to apologize. Kalidurga Aug 2012 #68
To her credit - I can see her wanting this over YESTERDAY Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #79
Huntsman Sr. came out today & said he was "feeling badly"... Historic NY Aug 2012 #143
Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Minority Leader? He and Harry are friends, SDjack Aug 2012 #69
k&r... spanone Aug 2012 #70
Drip, drip, drip... SidDithers Aug 2012 #71
:-) ecstatic Aug 2012 #75
Jon Huntsman...just sayin' Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2012 #80
such monumental stupidity on this issue from the rmoney campaign. unblock Aug 2012 #82
Romeny's reply is to challenge Reid on his source.... NOT the fact of it. upi402 Aug 2012 #83
Go Harry! malaise Aug 2012 #85
....... Justice wanted Aug 2012 #90
drip drip drip grasswire Aug 2012 #91
Unfortunately, not top of the news spinbaby Aug 2012 #100
Well, I'll be damned. He's gonna play this until he releases the source. Lone_Star_Dem Aug 2012 #93
Stop this! Democrats aren't supposed to be on the offensive! Proles Aug 2012 #94
Cool. Berlum Aug 2012 #99
And...he recants B2G Aug 2012 #101
Man, I'm getting this "Night of the Long Knives" vibe off this. Really coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #105
Keep it alive Harry! flamingdem Aug 2012 #109
Break out the buttah Happyhippychick Aug 2012 #119
"Ay, now the Plot thickens very much upon us." ailsagirl Aug 2012 #121
No surprise that it is a republican! DrewFlorida Aug 2012 #124
UPDATE: Here is the 'walk back' and a link - so the OP up above is no longer correct. Tx4obama Aug 2012 #128
Thanks. I'll add it to the OP. n/t ProSense Aug 2012 #129
Not necessarily so ozsea1 Aug 2012 #130
Robert C. Gay DallasNE Aug 2012 #133
This is a lot of fun! I love watching Democrats take Rove's playbook into the stratosphere! Walk away Aug 2012 #132
Odd theory DonCoquixote Aug 2012 #135
kick spanone Aug 2012 #147

ozsea1

(36 posts)
126. Nope!
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 05:10 PM
Aug 2012

You made the original assertion, and the burden of proof is on you.

Nice try at deflection, though.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
127. Here is the 'walk back' and a link - so the OP is no longer correct.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 05:16 PM
Aug 2012

UPDATE: 7:08 p.m. -- Parra now says he doesn't know whether Reid's source is Republican. In an email to HuffPost, he wrote:

"I do not know the party affiliation of the source, how long he invested with Bain, or his relationship to Romney beyond the fact that he was an investor with Bain Capital, as Senator Reid has previously stated."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/harry-reid-mitt-romney-tax-returns_n_1762255.html

 

rfranklin

(13,200 posts)
29. I was envisioning another setup by Rove...
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:14 PM
Aug 2012

Sends in a credible source who turns out to be not so credible. Better that there is no actual source.

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
43. There can only be one turd blossom...
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:42 PM
Aug 2012

But I am pretty sure nobody else has laid claim to the nickname fart-petals yet.

concreteblue

(626 posts)
63. heh...he...hheehh....hack...cough....
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 08:27 PM
Aug 2012

OMG! I laughed so hard my copd kicked in!.......worth it though........lol!

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
142. Ecclesiastes 9:11
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 08:57 PM
Aug 2012
''I have seen something else under the sun: The race is not to the swift or the battle to the strong, nor does food come to the wise or wealth to the brilliant or favor to the learned; but time and chance happen to them all. ''{NIV}

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
7. Doesn't matter
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:00 PM
Aug 2012

"wouldn't a republican have a motive to lie to Harry?"

Then a Republican's credibility is in jeopardy. Reid is just relaying what this person told him.

Romney has an opportunity to prove that the person is lying.

The ‘Missing Evidence’ In Romney’s Tax Records
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021084266

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
20. Yep ...
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:05 PM
Aug 2012

The absolute worst thing that can happen is Reid holding a press conference saying, "My bad! I used poor judgment in accepting a republican at his word. Won't happen again."

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
17. Does it matter?
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:03 PM
Aug 2012

The ONLY thing Rmoney can do is release his tax returns... Nothing else matters.. It doesn't matter if Reid is making the whole thing up, although I am fairly certain he is not...

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
49. yeah but old school republicans
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:56 PM
Aug 2012

were more moderate. thus if the source has been friends with Harry for a long time.......

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
74. Okay, so play that out, "Karl".
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 09:01 PM
Aug 2012

Generic Republican hits the news and says, "It was me, but I said ABC. Harry just thought I said XYZ".

Harry follows that with "I wasn't talking about your gossip, you freak - I was talking about someone else with knowledge of the situation".

Still win/win.

klook

(12,154 posts)
81. Interesting scenario.
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 09:13 PM
Aug 2012

Sorta like aspiring mobsters who have to take a fall to get in good with a kingpin.

DrewFlorida

(1,096 posts)
125. Many moderate republicans are unhappy with the extremists in the party.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 04:56 PM
Aug 2012

Because of this many of them might be afraid of what could happen if a republican who panders to the extreme right were to win the presidency. Of course they would have to remain anonymous to avoid persecution from their own party.

While I understand this could potentialy be a trap, I tend to believe it's true.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
15. Interesting. Remember
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:02 PM
Aug 2012

this claim by Abby Huntsman, Jon Huntsman's daughter:

In fact, according to people close to the situation, Romney would drop out of the presidential race before ever releasing further tax returns.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abby-huntsman/mitt-romney-tax-returns_b_1675711.html


 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
42. Given the latest clues, that's my guess.
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:41 PM
Aug 2012

Everything I have read indicates that Huntsman loathes Romney. Harry tightens the vise another half-turn.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
86. Yes.
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 09:15 PM
Aug 2012

The source is a Mormon. Definitely. The McCain camp may be involved but did not give the info to Reid. Someone may have discussed it with Huntsman in 2008 to try and confirm some of the information in the taxes. After all, it would have been almost unbelievable to McCain that Romney had paid nothing.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
87. I think you are right - it is certainly
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 09:38 PM
Aug 2012

a Mormon. I also think it's a near-lock that it is someone in or associated with the Huntsman family.

Brewinblue

(392 posts)
88. Huntsman has been my guess for some time.
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 09:41 PM
Aug 2012

He has never hid his distaste for Mitt, and the Bain, Mormon connection just all add up, especially now knowing it is a Republican.

This is like a great political soap opera. One can't wait until the next episode to see how Mitt's candidacy continues to crumble in ever more amazing manners.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
102. You just may be on to something!!
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 10:58 AM
Aug 2012

That actually makes sense. Huntsman would know. Plus he is also a member of the Mormon church and is probably disgusted by the amount of lies coming out of Mitt's mouth.

PLUS - he probably wants to run again in 2016.

Good thinking Cali_Dem

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
104. That was my guess, as well.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 11:15 AM
Aug 2012

No love lost there and Huntsman would have felt comfortable enough to call Reid.

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
110. Daily Kos is saying it's Jon Huntsman, Sr.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 12:54 PM
Aug 2012
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/09/1118428/-It-s-John-Huntsman-Sr-right-Harry
Harry Reid has a Republican source who has told him that Mitt Romney didn't pay taxes in 10 years. Who could he possibly known that would have that information? Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman's dad sounds like the likely source.

Jon Huntsman Sr, is business partners with Robert C. Gay, who also happened to be Bain's managing director between 1989 and 2004. And if anyone knows the machinations Bain used to evade taxes for itself and its partners, well, it would be the guy in charge of the firm's finances.


not to mention this:
Remember it was a Huntsman daughter who penned

an article at HuffPo with Ryan Grim that had sources saying Romney would have never ran if he knew he had to open up his tax filings.

Does the Huntsman family talk Romney's taxes around the dinner table?

by Jacoby Jonze

ozsea1

(36 posts)
118. Markos discussed this on The Stephanie Miller Show this morning, Pacific time
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 03:15 PM
Aug 2012

Makes sense.

Nothing more politically entertaining on a Friday than a Mormon family feud !

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
134. Maybe they do talk about it around the table.......
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 06:32 PM
Aug 2012
The truth is, Jon Huntsman and Mitt Romney are cousins. Crazy, I know because the mainstream media has pretty much ignored that fact even though it is pretty well known, especially in Utah. Weirdly, it’s as if the media doesn’t want the rest of us to discover this fact. Now they have several times referred to the two men as “frenemies” but rarely, if ever, have they mentioned the fact that these two are blood related. The fact that they have been labeled “frenemies” also raises an eyebrow and makes this strange relationship even more confusing.

http://theswash.com/liberty/blood-feud-the-huntsman-romney-connection

It's a libertarian website but popped up in my Google search.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
18. What with the deathsquad investors, pornkings at Marriott, etc. Mitt seems more human every day.
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:04 PM
Aug 2012

A regular guy after all. Prolly gonna need a few beers before November.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
32. Why ...
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:31 PM
Aug 2012

would he stop punching when the body blows are clear bring down romney's hands and opening up his enormous chin?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
96. Oh ...
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 11:42 PM
Aug 2012

Okay!

This is like watching a M. Ali fight. Reid is working the body, while leaning on romney ... getting sweat in romney's eyes and stepping all over his feet.

toddwv

(2,830 posts)
120. The RNC convention isn't until the end of the month...
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 03:41 PM
Aug 2012

It's important to establish a proper pace.

Do we really want to start the whole ballgame over with a different candidate if R$ flames out before he officially accepts the nomination?

Grown2Hate

(2,010 posts)
92. Worst. Advice. Ever. KEEP attacking this coward, day after day after day after
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 10:35 PM
Aug 2012

day. KEEP ON THE OFFENSIVE. It's WORKING. For once, we're not playing defense daily. I'm STILL not seeing any returns, STILL not seeing anyone who has denying this. I'm LOVING this...

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
25. Professor Plum...... In the Study.......... With the Tax Returns!!
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:09 PM
Aug 2012

Harry should be able to drag it out through Rmoney's VP and the Republican Nat'l Convention.

Dems are damned brilliant, and seem to have a spine for a change.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
31. yeah, let's just hope Romney isn't...
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:24 PM
Aug 2012

Rope-a-doping us all. I don't think that's the case, though. Oh, and add me to the "I think it's Huntsman" camp.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
35. Ropa-Doping or not ...
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:33 PM
Aug 2012

The absolute worst thing that can happen is Reid holding a press conference saying, "My bad! I used poor judgment in accepting a republican at his word. Won't happen again."


Besides ... It's only called a "Ropa-Dope" when you can take the punch; otherwise, it's called "taking an a$$ kicking."

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
107. Is it asking too much for Reid to deliver the knock-out uppercut during
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 11:34 AM
Aug 2012

the Repig Convention?

OMG, that would just about make my entire life to see it go down like that.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
58. They say that Reid is very honest and I don't think he would say something like this if
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 08:12 PM
Aug 2012

he wasn't sure.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
36. Remember when McCain said his campaign 'didn't see anything' in Romney's tax returns?
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:34 PM
Aug 2012

Maybe that was a funny way of saying he didn't pay anything.

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
51. Maybe he didn't see anything.....
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:59 PM
Aug 2012

Because he didn't see anything? Maye we should take it literally?

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
89. You mean he's blind?
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 09:49 PM
Aug 2012

McCain's comment on the issue was classic word parsing. At least, it seemed so to me. It was a carefully constructed statement that could not pin anyone to the wall.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
131. I think his statement was saying ...
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 06:07 PM
Aug 2012

He didn't see anything "wrong" with romney's filings. If you agree that there is nothing wrong with someone making hundreds of millions of dollars and paying little to nothing in taxes, then you WOULDN'T see anything wrong.

I'm sure Cindy has a team of lawyers how's soul job is to make sure she pays as little tax as she can get away with.

bayareaboy

(793 posts)
53. Sure he is ...
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 08:03 PM
Aug 2012

But every time he speaks somebody here at DU is looking for third and forth stage plots from Karl Rove. Harry attends temple in Las Vegas where their are some folks who invested in Bain and are RePUGs and LDS. he also I guess attends temple in Washington DC where their are folks who invested in Bain and are Repugs and LDS. There is probably a few folks who might have gotten burned by their investment in Bain. Now is the picture developing.

Rove besides his secret fund really don't have much more going in this election.

Besides that do you all think that Harry Reid didn't run this through the a few folks in the Obama camp before making his first statement.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
95. So that recent meeting between Rove and Rmoney in colorado was just a nice friendly visit?
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 11:18 PM
Aug 2012

they drank coffee and ate struddle and talked about the yellow wax buildup on their kitchen floors?

bayareaboy

(793 posts)
103. I don't think Mittens drinks coffee ...
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 11:14 AM
Aug 2012

Are you saying that there is some great third of fourth secret agent thing going on. I think Rove is happy counting money in his secret stash.

We will see, but I am not holding my breath waiting to see Mr Karl put on his masking cloak.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
122. I'm saying they were stratigizing with Karl Roves super PAC.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 03:58 PM
Aug 2012

And that is a violation of election rules.

bayareaboy

(793 posts)
141. Yes, I will really agree with you on that one!
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 08:19 PM
Aug 2012

So what do you think Roves little super PAC will do with Mitts little throwing in the towel today. Of course Rovian will be fair and above board. right?

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
144. It will come up with something sleazier than the last. right now they are trying
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 09:39 PM
Aug 2012

to make an issue of Obama's formal education. I think it will go that way. But it will just be another epic fail.

ejbr

(5,856 posts)
45. Not only is the source a Republican, but
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:49 PM
Aug 2012

the source is also a dressage enthusiast. Not only THAT, my source hates Obamacare. And get this, my source wants me to provide you his or her name, but I'll do that once Romney releases his tax returns.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
46. Now that's just fucking old school
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:52 PM
Aug 2012

I'm thinkin' that Harry is just sticking it in and has yet to break it off.

chknltl

(10,558 posts)
47. WOW, who'd a thunk that ....
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:54 PM
Aug 2012

....Larry Flynt was both a Mormon and a republican! Boy....that'll learn the mittster not to mess with the porn industry.

marlakay

(11,451 posts)
59. Who ever it is must have given Harry permission
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 08:16 PM
Aug 2012

to say what he did as long as he kept his name out of it.

tomm2thumbs

(13,297 posts)
61. Ten to one Romney let it slip years ago in a phone call, but Reid made it sound recent
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 08:21 PM
Aug 2012

First he went back and confirmed phone records of the call, then he checked his call log and notes made at the time, and now he has a little bit of insurance against the very man who claims to have nothing to hide.

Who doesn't think Romney is just the type of idiot who would share something like this boastfully only to not realize that it would be his undoing later on.

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
98. I don't think there is a single shred of evidence that happened
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 09:45 AM
Aug 2012

And it is very unlikely that the President of the Senate would make the statements that Harry has based on something as insubstantial as that. Harry is not a fool, he would not have made the statements he did unless he felt that he had rock solid evidence to support him. To do otherwise would be beyond reckless and you do not rise to the heights Harry has by being reckless.

 

cleduc

(653 posts)
62. Huntsman’s family gave nearly $25,000 to Reid last cycle
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 08:22 PM
Aug 2012
http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/ralstons-flash/2011/jun/22/huntsmans-family-gave-nearly-25000-reid-last-cycle/
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who said this week he prefers Jon Huntsman to Mitt Romney in the GOP Mormon presidential primary, has taken a lot of money from the Huntsman family, and the former Utah governor appointed Reid’s son, Josh, to Utah’s Board of Regents.

So no wonder Reid said Tuesday, “If I had a choice in that race, I’d choose Huntsman over Romney.”

And if they had a choice – and they did – many members of the newly minted presidential candidate’s family, including his parents, chose Reid in the most important U.S. Senate race in the country last cycle. Indeed, the Huntsmans have long been Reid supporters, although the former governor, who is scheduled to be be in Nevada on Friday, has never given directly to Reid's Senate campaigns.

But his parents and a couple of his brothers (Peter, James) and some in-laws have. And his Dad even helped the Nevada Democratic Party ($5,000) in 2008. I’m told Reid has known the senior Huntsman since the 1990s and is friendly with the son, too.


Note: Jon Huntsman tried to distance himself from Reid in the update at the bottom of the article.

Huntsman's father's partner is Robert C Gay, a Mormon elder and past managing director for Bain Capital until 2004 - not long after Romney left. So he was there for close to 16 years with Mitt Romney in a senior management position.

EDIT: credit to someone on Daily Kos for that article.
 

cleduc

(653 posts)
73. Further to that
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 08:56 PM
Aug 2012

Huntsman's daughter wrote two articles recently (and probably previously posted):

Mitt Romney Never Thought He'd Have To Release Tax Returns: Bain Sources
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/18/mitt-romney-tax-returns_n_1682539.html

Mitt Romney has been determined to resist releasing his tax returns at least since his bid for Massachusetts governor in 2002 and has been confident that he will never be forced to do so, several current and former Bain executives tell The Huffington Post. Had he thought otherwise, say the sources based on their longtime understanding of Romney, he never would have gone forward with his run for president.


Romney's Tax Returns Could Cost Him the Election
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abby-huntsman/mitt-romney-tax-returns_b_1675711.html
If one has nothing to hide, why not release a set of comprehensive records (Romney reportedly, after all, provided the McCain campaign with 20+ years of returns when being vetted for VP)? The answer is simple -- he must have something to hide.

Could he actually be worth more than is being estimated under federal disclosure filings (currently ~$190-250 million)? Has putting money in offshore accounts in some way lowered the amount of taxes he's had to pay (according to his campaign, the answer is no)? Or, is there significant income from Bain that was earned after his departure in 1999 (when Romney claims to have not been involved in Bain's investment decisions)? And lastly, was a deal stuck with fellow Bain partners that Romney could never disclose certain information about the firm and its income (since Bain remains a private company)?

It's difficult to know, but one thing is evident -- Romney and his campaign would only weather the current storm if the alternative of releasing additional information about his taxes were even worse than the present. In fact, according to people close to the situation, Romney would drop out of the presidential race before ever releasing further tax returns. It does seem a bit ironic, that a man whose father was one of the champions of transparency with regards to a candidate's finances is now the most blatant offender in modern presidential politics. Even more ironic, is that in general any member of Romney's potential Cabinet (or political appointee confirmed by the Senate) would be required to submit at least three years of tax returns. It seems very strange that the most senior member of the Executive branch wouldn't be held to the same standard.


So Huntsman's daughter also has multiple Bain sources and whacked Mitt pretty hard using them in those two articles.

(again, speculation on my part here but the number of Reid-Bain-Huntsman-Romney links is kind of remarkable)

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
68. It's really starting to look like Reid isn't going to apologize.
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 08:49 PM
Aug 2012

LMAO. Romney is probably very confused by this. Ha ha ha ha ha.

I think Huntsman is a great guess. Or the partner of Huntsman's dad, that is pretty good too. But, for comedy I like Ann being the source. I think she is likely being abused, so that would be her motive. I dunno if she has seen the returns or not, but you can bet Mitt would be bragging to her about his returns.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
79. To her credit - I can see her wanting this over YESTERDAY
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 09:06 PM
Aug 2012

Lord, he is making an ass out of himself on an international state on a daily basis.

I'd leak it too.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
143. Huntsman Sr. came out today & said he was "feeling badly"...
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 09:31 PM
Aug 2012

over Mitt not releasing his taxes...Huntsman is also a Mormon.

What do the Mormons know and when did they all know it? Something isn't all Hunky-dory with Mitt and Salt Lake.

SDjack

(1,448 posts)
69. Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Minority Leader? He and Harry are friends,
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 08:50 PM
Aug 2012

and spend a lot of time together scripting the Senate sessions. Mittens will now be suspicious of Republicans who invested in Bain.

unblock

(52,199 posts)
82. such monumental stupidity on this issue from the rmoney campaign.
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 09:13 PM
Aug 2012

as long as rmoney refuses to release his taxes, democrats are free to take incremental pot shots.
every day brings more speculation, more rumor, more tidbits of information.

TERRIBLE scandal management.

if the tax returns are embarassing but survivable, he should have dumped them many a friday afternoon ago, then brought out esteemed tax lawyers to insist everything he did was perfectly legal and also important to show his clients how good he was at lowering his tax bill.

alternatively, if the tax returns really are so bad he just can't release them, then the mclame campaign did the republican party a huge disservice by not leaking this story earlier in the primary season.


i'm loving it, of course, but astounded by the incompetence!

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
93. Well, I'll be damned. He's gonna play this until he releases the source.
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 10:37 PM
Aug 2012

I thought Harry was just taking blows for the team before. Now I'm rethinking that concept. I am beginning to get a feel that this is a long game strategy and he's playing the "give him enough rope to hang himself" game with Romney.

Hell, even if he's not they're sweating bullets thinking the same thing. Delicious!

Proles

(466 posts)
94. Stop this! Democrats aren't supposed to be on the offensive!
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 10:39 PM
Aug 2012

He shouldn't do this anymore! We're better than this!

 

coalition_unwilling

(14,180 posts)
105. Man, I'm getting this "Night of the Long Knives" vibe off this. Really
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 11:26 AM
Aug 2012

fascinating to watch them devour one another. Predictable, I suppose, in hindsight.

DrewFlorida

(1,096 posts)
124. No surprise that it is a republican!
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 04:51 PM
Aug 2012

I am not surprised in the least that it is a republican who has been talking with Harry Reid. My best guess would be John McCain, of course we will probably never know for sure who it is, I'm glad this issue is being kept in forefront, I believe it is the most important issue of this election cycle.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
128. UPDATE: Here is the 'walk back' and a link - so the OP up above is no longer correct.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 05:19 PM
Aug 2012


UPDATE: 7:08 p.m. -- Parra now says he doesn't know whether Reid's source is Republican. In an email to HuffPost, he wrote:

"I do not know the party affiliation of the source, how long he invested with Bain, or his relationship to Romney beyond the fact that he was an investor with Bain Capital, as Senator Reid has previously stated."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/09/harry-reid-mitt-romney-tax-returns_n_1762255.html


DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
133. Robert C. Gay
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 06:28 PM
Aug 2012

"This guy fits" and I am sticking by my guns. He worked/invested a number of years for/with Bain Capital before joining forces with Huntsman Sr. in a similar capacity. Someone where the assumption would be that he is a Republican but that question may never have been asked of him making that backtrack necessary.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
132. This is a lot of fun! I love watching Democrats take Rove's playbook into the stratosphere!
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 06:26 PM
Aug 2012

Can we please now do something about Congress?!

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
135. Odd theory
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 06:35 PM
Aug 2012

Seeing how bitter he is, could it be someone from McCain's camp? John M. is damned bitter about the fact that the conservatives seem to love Palin more than they ever loved him, and that they all but called him a communist in 2000.

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