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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 11:16 PM Aug 2012

Nobody with power gives a shit about your pathetic life, part 8,264

Morgan Stanley connives with electricity generators to scam $300 million from consumers.

Morgan Stanley makes $21.6 million from the scam.

Department of "Justice" only asks for $4.8 million fine.

Judge says "This sucks, DOJ should have asked for more but since they didn't I'll OK this."

Morgan Stanley pockets $16.8 million. The $4.8 million goes to Treasury, where it helps keep taxes on the wealthiest Americans at one-third of what they used to be. And you, my friend, are fucked again. Fucked again, and nobody cares. Nobody with power anyway.

Enjoy your cat food, schmucks! Your ass is getting Grand Bargained right after the election!

The Way We Are Screwed... And How Come Nobody Goes To Jail ???

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Nobody with power gives a shit about your pathetic life, part 8,264 (Original Post) MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 OP
Costco just publically supported President Obama. That's cool. samsingh Aug 2012 #1
Given the alternative, so do I. nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #2
it's obama's doj that gave morgan it's 78% profit on crime. and gave nothing to the ratepayers who HiPointDem Aug 2012 #18
You're cruel RobertEarl Aug 2012 #3
I'm hoping that one of these days, some folks MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #4
We're waiting... Zorra Aug 2012 #7
People ARE waking up. Case in point: Zalatix Aug 2012 #12
Maybe it's all the concussions. nt woo me with science Aug 2012 #21
Yep... WillyT Aug 2012 #5
Many thanks for posting this originally MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #6
Rock On, My Brother !!! WillyT Aug 2012 #16
It's so demoralizing YoungDemCA Aug 2012 #8
As long as we have the vote, we have the power MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #10
may i ask seanpencil Aug 2012 #15
you've got to be kidding. past the local level, all candidates belong to the party of capital and HiPointDem Aug 2012 #19
It is necessary to hurry. woo me with science Aug 2012 #22
No more faith based voting- count the votes in public and not via private source code.... midnight Aug 2012 #31
the election has already been decided flobee1 Aug 2012 #28
This is what I believe, too. It's already been decided and not in favor of the 99%. SammyWinstonJack Aug 2012 #63
Sadly, my virginity around that belief is long gone tavalon Aug 2012 #43
Stop with the sarcasm 3rd Way Doctor_J Aug 2012 #53
Well, they missed the first 8,263 incidents, so I'm a little skeptical that this is the one Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #9
K&R DeSwiss Aug 2012 #11
I love that cartoon! sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #24
Alex Schaefer who painted this: DeSwiss Aug 2012 #50
Yep, "Grand Bargain" is going to be hot new political product (again) once the election is over. Marr Aug 2012 #13
so what's your point? seanpencil Aug 2012 #14
if that story tickles you, you may enjoy this one as well. kenny blankenship Aug 2012 #17
I wish I hadn't read that. This alone should have people out on the streets with pitchforks. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #25
They are busy prosecuting "real crime" like my sister who was just charged with a felony for Dragonfli Aug 2012 #37
Dragonfli, I am so sorry about your sister. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #41
Marvelous MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #33
I certainly prefer Obama over that fuckstick... sendero Aug 2012 #36
Yeah... I Found This Passage From Reuters Particularly Infuriating... WillyT Aug 2012 #51
Yeah, but they sure nailed Roger Clemons pscot Aug 2012 #57
Kicked and recced to the fucking moon. nt woo me with science Aug 2012 #20
My Senator has power. Yes, I think Bernie gives a shit cali Aug 2012 #23
I'm certain that Bernie gives a shit. MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #39
Bernie definitely cares Doctor_J Aug 2012 #55
oh bernie has power cali Aug 2012 #61
The governor has power. Doctor_J Aug 2012 #62
Nice loansstore Aug 2012 #26
du rec. nt xchrom Aug 2012 #27
Funny how that works. Fines are a the cost of doing busness, a kind of tax, geckosfeet Aug 2012 #29
Thanks Manny, for thinking beyond the election.... midnight Aug 2012 #30
K & R n/t Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #32
Oh just be patient. progressoid Aug 2012 #34
Until.. sendero Aug 2012 #35
Department of Just Us. Octafish Aug 2012 #38
Damn Solly Mack Aug 2012 #40
If I rob a bank of $300 million, keep the money, and only have to pay a $4.8 million fine... hunter Aug 2012 #42
Ya think? MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #48
But, but everyone will set up free health care exchanges for all!!! just1voice Aug 2012 #44
kick woo me with science Aug 2012 #45
K&R TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #46
Emphatic K&R! - n/t coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #47
Kick Agony Aug 2012 #49
This is an election year. OnyxCollie Aug 2012 #52
If I were Romey I'd start running ads featuring Holder Doctor_J Aug 2012 #54
But Manny... when we kiss their ass, they smile fascisthunter Aug 2012 #56
But are they actively trying to "thin the herd"? moondust Aug 2012 #58
The ones without power don't care either. raouldukelives Aug 2012 #59
They don't give a fuck about you ... TBF Aug 2012 #60
 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
18. it's obama's doj that gave morgan it's 78% profit on crime. and gave nothing to the ratepayers who
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 02:58 AM
Aug 2012

were robbed of 300 million.

but as long as obama gets elected, all is well.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
3. You're cruel
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 11:29 PM
Aug 2012

Don't you realize there are people out there who through their whole lives have believed that the PTB actually do care about them?

And here you are telling them the truth. Shame!

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
4. I'm hoping that one of these days, some folks
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 11:33 PM
Aug 2012

will wake up and say "Oh! My head is being used for batting practice. I think I should do something about this.".

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
10. As long as we have the vote, we have the power
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 11:55 PM
Aug 2012

And I believe that, fundamentally, our ability to create change through voting is still intact.

But we need to wake up and vote smart.

 

seanpencil

(168 posts)
15. may i ask
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 12:40 AM
Aug 2012

respectfully, why you think that "fundamentally, our ability to create change through voting is still intact"?

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
19. you've got to be kidding. past the local level, all candidates belong to the party of capital and
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 03:02 AM
Aug 2012

suck the boots of capital.

what would "voting smart" look like in such a situation?

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
22. It is necessary to hurry.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 03:44 AM
Aug 2012

We have two corporate candidates, so voting all by itself is not going to bring change in direction. But as long as they NEED our vote and our general acquiescence to the political process, we still have some leverage to force policy change through protest.

Protests on SOPA mattered, at least briefly. Occupy got them to change the rhetoric, if not the policies. There is some responsiveness when the people start to rumble, and we have not even begun to rumble as loudly as we are capable of rumbling. They spend most of their time and money trying to keep us ignorant of and distracted from what they are doing, because their power, at this point, still depends on a brainwashed public that watches the MSM and believes that they are doing the best they can on our behalf. There are a hell of a lot more of us than them, and they know it.

But they are building surveillance systems and domestic police armies and prisons now, and passing laws that make it possible to pick up anyone suspected of being a threat in some vague way. If we are going to use this leverage, we had better damned well do it soon.

flobee1

(870 posts)
28. the election has already been decided
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 05:59 AM
Aug 2012

and WE have lost

big oil and gas, big pharma, and the monsanto crime family have already paid the people they need to pay to make sure business as usual continues unhindered.
The Obama/Romney race is nothing more than entertainment at this point and works to draw attention away from the massive amounts of money going to the obscenely rich.
The frackers can now just take the land they need, pharma and monsanto are putting god knows what in their products and can wrap anyone who questions or objects in red tape, and still make a profit.

the politicians are owned, the news channels are paid to feed us news the payers want us to see, we don't even hear music on the radio that isn't pre approved by the moneyholders.

and no, I don't know what the solution is.
is there even a solution?

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
43. Sadly, my virginity around that belief is long gone
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 03:53 PM
Aug 2012

I vote because it's what I do. I no longer believe the system is even remotely uncompromised. It's not quite Soviet Union compromised but when President Carter is requesting international overseeing of our voting system, that really says something to me.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
9. Well, they missed the first 8,263 incidents, so I'm a little skeptical that this is the one
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 11:55 PM
Aug 2012

they'll get. But as always, I'm desperately hoping to be completely wrong.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
50. Alex Schaefer who painted this:
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 06:50 PM
Aug 2012

link

Recently began writing the words:

[center][font size=3 color=red]THIEF![/font] and [font size=3 color=green]CROOKS![/font] and [font size=3 color=blue]GREED![/font] [/center]

....in chalk on the sidewalk outside Chase Bank. They arrested him for vandalism. He sent 12 hours in jail before he made bail and he commented - ''I've spent more time in prison than any of the bankers who crashed the world economy through their fraud.''

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
17. if that story tickles you, you may enjoy this one as well.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 01:49 AM
Aug 2012
http://www.usatoday.com/money/companies/regulation/story/2012-08-10/justice-department-goldman-sachs/56924170/1

Government won't prosecute Goldman Sachs in probe

WASHINGTON – The Justice Department said Thursday it won't prosecute Wall Street firm Goldman Sachs or its employees in a financial fraud probe.

The Justice Department's decision capped a good day for Goldman as the Securities and Exchange Commission decided not to file charges against the firm over a $1.3 billion subprime mortgage portfolio. At the same time, the Justice Department's decision ensured that the Obama administration will continue to feel political heat, particularly from the liberal wing of the president's own party, for not having brought more prosecutions in the financial crisis.

The Senate panel probe turned up company emails showing Goldman employees deriding complex mortgage securities sold to banks and other investors as "junk" and "crap."

Levin questioned the accuracy of testimony Goldman Sachs executives gave to Congress about whether the firm steered investors toward mortgage securities it knew likely would fail.

So GS steered investors like pension funds and municipalities into securities they knew were "crap" and "junk" -and secretly bet against them- and the "Justice" Dept can't see the fraud case staring them in the face.

That harsh abrasive sound you hear are rich bankers and their Obama Administration flunkies laughing in your faces.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
25. I wish I hadn't read that. This alone should have people out on the streets with pitchforks.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 05:26 AM
Aug 2012

I actually thought that there would be some justice for what they did, don't know why I keep hoping like that. Especially since the President said that there was no crime, just a little immorality. From now I will remember that and expect nothing.

That is a disgrace. Imagine an ordinary person doing what they did on a much smaller scale. It was a con job, a Ponzi scheme. The ordinary person would have been arrested, charged and convicted.

Goldman Sachs Rules!

Obviously.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
37. They are busy prosecuting "real crime" like my sister who was just charged with a felony for
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 10:36 AM
Aug 2012

shoplifting food in Florida.

In her 50 years, this is the first time she has ever broken a law. She should have made stone soup instead I guess.

She will likely die soon anyway, as the Obama's and the Romney's of the world would prefer, with systemic lupus and a series of heart attacks and strokes that have plagued her the past two years, she is the type of criminal that must be hounded until death, she is not "real people" like rich folks are. Just ask Obama or Romney, they both felate bankers and berate the poor.

I am glad Romney was lying about the welfare thing, it is good to know both parties kick the poor equally, I was worried that Obama may have given a shit for almost five minutes before that was all cleared up for me.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
41. Dragonfli, I am so sorry about your sister.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 01:52 PM
Aug 2012

That is so sad. If it is her offense, and considering her medical condition a good attorney should be able to get this charge dismissed maybe with some community service or simply by repaying the cost of the food.

If only the law was applied equally in this country. But unfortunately for now, it is not.

My heart goes out to you and your sister, I will keep her in my thoughts.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
36. I certainly prefer Obama over that fuckstick...
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 09:20 AM
Aug 2012

.... but Obama is in the banker's pockets just like the Republicans are. These sorts of decisions are infuriating and there is simply no other plausible explanation.

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
51. Yeah... I Found This Passage From Reuters Particularly Infuriating...
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 07:09 PM
Aug 2012
The statement from the Justice Department said that officials there "have determined that, based on the law and evidence as they exist at this time, there is not a viable basis to bring a criminal prosecution with respect to Goldman Sachs or its employees in regard to the allegations set forth in the report" from Levin's subcommittee.

Justice Department investigators and prosecutors worked on their inquiry for "more than a year," the statement said.

Those working on the inquiry included officials in the department's Criminal Division and in the U.S. Attorney's Office in Manhattan, the statement said.

They "ultimately concluded that the burden of proof to bring a criminal case could not be met based on the law and facts as they exist at this time," the statement continued.

"If any additional or new evidence emerges, today's assessment does not prevent the department from reviewing such evidence and making a different determination, if warranted," the statement said.


Link: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/09/us-usa-goldman-no-charges-idUSBRE8781LA20120809


 

cali

(114,904 posts)
23. My Senator has power. Yes, I think Bernie gives a shit
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 04:46 AM
Aug 2012

and for that matter I think my rep and my guv do too.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
39. I'm certain that Bernie gives a shit.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 01:45 PM
Aug 2012

Power, I'm not so sure of.

That being said, your state is doing great stuff, and proves my thesis wrong. My Commonwealth is not bad, either. But f most of the rest of the country... not so good.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
61. oh bernie has power
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 05:17 AM
Aug 2012

look at his record in the House and Senate and you'll see. Furthermore, my guv ran on single payer and won and he has power in his sphere and so does Shep Smith, the Leader of the VT House, etc. Of course it's only localized power in the case of Vermont politicians, but it's forging a place that's different than the rest of the country.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
62. The governor has power.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 11:23 AM
Aug 2012

Bernie does not. Even with a Dem House, Dem president, and 59 Dem senators, almost no progressive legislation was passed in 2 years. If you listen to Bernie on Hartmann's Friday program, most of the things he (Sanders) believes in are nowhere close to becoming a reality. Glen Beck has far more power than Sanders does.

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
29. Funny how that works. Fines are a the cost of doing busness, a kind of tax,
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 07:00 AM
Aug 2012

the kind that pays off and buys the government.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
35. Until..
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 09:13 AM
Aug 2012

... the fines are greater (should be several times) the gain and the main perps are sent to prison this crap will continue.

The level of pure corruption in this country is stunning and I don't think most people have the slightest idea it is happening.

hunter

(38,309 posts)
42. If I rob a bank of $300 million, keep the money, and only have to pay a $4.8 million fine...
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 02:10 PM
Aug 2012

...when I'm caught, hell, I'd do it again the next day.

I might do it every day.


 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
52. This is an election year.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 07:36 PM
Aug 2012

That kind of talk should be verboten.

Do you want the bad guys to win?

Seriously, though. We're fucked.

Maybe I could start an "American Spring" if I could afford a gallon of gas.

K&R.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
56. But Manny... when we kiss their ass, they smile
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 08:34 PM
Aug 2012

it must mean something meaningful.... same way a whore shows it's client any real empathy.

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
59. The ones without power don't care either.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 10:43 PM
Aug 2012

Well, maybe a tiny percentage. It's easy to find people who are against climate change, war, pollution and the corporate takeover of our government.
Very hard to find people not willing to join in and profit and propagate the issues by supporting Wall St everyday.

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