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Posted without comment from today's LA Times: (Original Post) CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2012 OP
Staying classy, as all GOP front organizations do. freshwest Aug 2012 #1
NRA = Scum ellisonz Aug 2012 #2
non-scanned version here Electric Monk Aug 2012 #3
Thanks! CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2012 #4
Ouch... STING!!! Zalatix Aug 2012 #5
I'll say it again. Baitball Blogger Aug 2012 #6
NRA IS MOSTLY AN ASTROTURF FRONT FOR ALEC MightyMopar Aug 2012 #16
Freaking perfect malaise Aug 2012 #7
Now's a great time to raise funds Patiod Aug 2012 #8
Indeed, my dear Patiod! LOL CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2012 #9
It's all a giant conspiracy. StrictlyRockers Aug 2012 #10
So true of the bunch of right wingers. Hoyt Aug 2012 #11
Hey, but you people don't know the specifics about UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #12
The point is not that one's opinions of mass murders should change, the point is that petronius Aug 2012 #15
so predictable Skittles Aug 2012 #18
Forget about guns for a moment - do you really disagree with my general comment? petronius Aug 2012 #19
False analogy. blackspade Aug 2012 #21
The analogy is fine; the 'thing' in question doesn't matter petronius Aug 2012 #22
Slimeballs swimming in blood. moondust Aug 2012 #13
They called me two days before that insane shooting happened... Hubert Flottz Aug 2012 #14
They've hated the French since the Revolutionary War because they fought for the WCGreen Aug 2012 #20
Whoa tavalon Aug 2012 #17
Yep, that's about right. malthaussen Aug 2012 #23

Baitball Blogger

(46,682 posts)
6. I'll say it again.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 02:41 PM
Aug 2012

If you want to break the back of the NRA, you'll need to reach out to the individual members. This is a good start. But if you go for a full frontal approach, they'll just round up the wagons.

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
8. Now's a great time to raise funds
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 02:42 PM
Aug 2012

Because these are all Obama-administration-shootings, carefully calculated to turn the public against guns, and get laws passed to take away our precious firearms. At least in Wayne LaPierre's mind, at least.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
12. Hey, but you people don't know the specifics about
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 03:49 PM
Aug 2012

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gun bores and bullets and stuff. If you did it would change your opinion about mass murder.

petronius

(26,597 posts)
15. The point is not that one's opinions of mass murders should change, the point is that
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 05:19 PM
Aug 2012

when someone advocates policies and restrictions relating to certain features of firearms, it's reasonable to expect them to know what those features are, and what effects the policies will actually have.

Do you really think that's so strange? Is there any other arena where you'd respect the opinion of an ill-informed advocate? Say for example someone who had strongly-held opinions on allowable structural components for commercial aircraft, yet didn't really know anything about what those components did, or how they varied, or what was possible?

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
21. False analogy.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:31 PM
Aug 2012

You're comparing guns to commercial aircraft.

Guns are designed for one thing: to kill.
Planes move people.

petronius

(26,597 posts)
22. The analogy is fine; the 'thing' in question doesn't matter
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 01:32 PM
Aug 2012

The point is that it's reasonable and desirable in any arena (including but not limited to firearms) to expect those who advocate regulations, policies, or restrictions on items, components, features, activities, etc to have a basic understanding of the thing they wish to regulate.

(And as an aside, it's a fallacy to state that guns are designed 'only to kill' - there are myriad applications of firearms that have nothing to do with killing...)

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
14. They called me two days before that insane shooting happened...
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 05:02 PM
Aug 2012

I would have given them a good cursing, but it was a robo call from some damned French dude! I thought the GOP was pissed off at the French for not kissing Bush's ass during the criminal invasion of Iraq?

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
20. They've hated the French since the Revolutionary War because they fought for the
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 08:58 PM
Aug 2012

rebels...

How dare they attack the crown...

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