You know the more I'm reading today and seeing Romney Ryan the more nervous I become.

[Justice wanted]

I get a very strange and uncomfortable feeling. Now I know a lot of people have said I'm nuts with my crazy feeling but a few months ago I called Ryan being tap for Romney's VP and people said no I wasn't thinking right it was impossible and yeah sometimes I jump the shark on things but I'm really starting to get worried.

You have Ryan as a Congressmen when doing public "Town Hall meetings" that had to be paid to view basically using Bush/Cheney like tactics who dare speak to Ryan or question him--The man being arrested in Aug.


You have Cheney admitting he "Worships the ground Paul Ryan walks on"

You know how Ryan's been in Congress.


We have Norquist in a speech calling for not only a PUPPET President but called out Ryan's budget is what we need:

We have Romney nearly getting us into serious diplomatic problems a few weeks ago. Not to mention that he isn't the official Nominee and the GOP propaganda channel has him down by 9 points and the Base can't stand him.

We have a supreme court static with Corporate and GOP yes men with Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas and EVEN though they claimed Bush V Gore decision was a "One time Event" we could have something that might toss THIS election up to the Supreme court for a Different "One Time Event"

I can't read the tea leaves clearly but I just don't like the way all this is falling into place not to mention how many swing states stacking the odds in the Republican favor.

I am just nervous that something strange is going to happen.

You have Romney announcing his VP pick on a SATURDAY!

You have Romney canceling a bunch of interviews right after his announcement of Ryan as VP when you expect him and his camp to be doing as many interviews as possible and then some.

This campaign is not running like any other campaign. Something just doesn't feel right.

Am I crazy?

Anyone else getting concern?

Should we wait til Monday when you expect Ryan to be doing various interviews?

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

1. I don't think you're crazy. nt

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

13. Not crazy at all!!

[calimary]

27. Nor do I. But I tend to worry about everything.

It makes me nervous because of all the lovely low-information voters who wait for the pretty blonde on TV to tell them how to vote. She's pretty so obviously she has to be correct, doesn't she? I never overestimate the intelligence of the average voter. I mean - look who they've gone for!!!!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Ryan did not surprise me whatsoever

the media (ok I am media) most of the media can pretend to be surprised, but Ryan meets the ground of exactly where the GOP wants to go.

And if the GOP loses in November, expect them to become even more radical.

[Dkc05]

7. slow news dsy so Faux news paid Rmoney to anounce today.

No other media is 24-7 romoney, was it covered anywhere else.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. NPR, MSNBC, CNN

should I go on? Oh yes, the NYT published an editorial no less, critical of this.

We are excused, we are so local that no, our news was not slow, just involving some of the things these guys may want to cut... fire protection.

[zappaman]

22. so, since you are media...

are you pretending to be surprised?
But you're actually NOT surprised?
I'm confused.

[Jackpine Radical]

53. Hey, the REAL Zappa could handle a few tokes

without his brain turning to mush.

Get back to us when you finish the brownies.

[spanone]

3. voter suppression is the rethugs ace in the hole

[chalky]

34. + 1000

n/t

[uponit7771]

35. +1!

[Flatpicker]

4. I don't think

You're crazy.

But, having worked in corporations and dealt with government, I don't know if they could be that organized.
If they are, then they would be the exception and not the norm.

[Logical]

5. What did you list that is a good thing? I dont think independents will like Ryan and he already....

had the right wing nuts locked up. And money is not an issue. So not sure how Ryan helps.

[DCBob]

6. What exactly are you worried about?

I am not sure what you mean "something strange is going to happen".

[Justice wanted]

8. I wish I could explain it better but I just get a REALLY uncomfortable feeling that just makes me

worry about the next few months.

[DCBob]

9. Well, Ive had an "uncomfortable feeling" about politics since Bush won reelection in 2004.

But Romney selecting Ryan has not made that any worse. In fact I feel a bit better since he is no game changer.

[Samantha]

21. Well, DCBob, do you really think it is important whether Ryan is a game changer to the voting

public, or does the person who occupies that spot, second chair, have to be a game changer as far as the Big Money guys are concerned who are currently intent on "forcing" this election to go their way. Personally, I think it is the latter, and Ryan, the brown noser, has repeatedly demonstrated a willingness to come out and say whatever those "important" people want said -- we are going to privatize Medicare, cut Social Security and reduce the ranks of Medicaid -- regardless of the flack he has to take from the pie-throwing public.

Romney has to too much ego to pick anyone for his running mate that would outshine, or upstage, him and Ryan will do just that. He would naturally gravitate toward a low profile personality, someone boring, who would not step out in front of him.

The reasons "they" the money-men, are so intent on this whether we as a general public like it or not is because it is their belief that the generation following the Babyboomers will be paid much lower wages, there will be fewer American jobs so fewer of the next generation will be working and contributing as much to Social Security and Medicare as the Babyboomers have, many workers will be contract workers and not entitled to receive benefits Babyboomers now receive, such as pension plans, working at greatly reduced wages, so "they" are planning for the future and the manner in which they see things unfolding in this Country.

Think about it. They didn't want unions and union-busting big time has been going on for years, they don't want their companies paying for benefits for workers, like health insurance, sick pay, etc., they specifically could save a lot of money if the FICA tax was not such a burden to their bottom lines -- so obviously Social Security and Medicare have to go. And they have been whittling away at all these things for some time now. They plan on letting Romney have the title, after all there is no money in a title, let him be President, but their guy Ryan will have all the influence and give them what they want. He will be their true investment for protecting their interests.

As I just posted elsewhere, I don't Ryan was Romney's choice; I thinked it was FORCED on him and that is the explanation for his conduct today. He is truly ticked. But all they had to do to force him to take the guy THEY wanted was to threaten to withhold Romney's funding and probably they even reminded him he doesn't literally have the nomination sewn up yet and there might possibly be someone sitting on the bench that they bring in at the last moment to be their first-stringer.

So whether or not Ryan will be appealing to the general public in all political reality, I ask you, isn't it possible that is just a moot point?

Just something to think about.

Sam

[Chan790]

37. I think Romney had this race lost...

needed to hit a home run to even get back into the race...and then squared up to bunt. He sidled up closer to the base that should have been in his pocket already and forsook the moderates he needed to win.

I have no queasy feelings about this...today is the day Mitt Romney lost the Presidency. None of the other factors listed matter, not voter purges, not voting machines, not the unlimited money...you can't polish a turd. The Romney campaign is a turd and there's nothing left in the basket with which to change that.

By October 1, we're going to be talking about the coming landslide.

[Samantha]

40. Well, I sure hope you are right but Obama has to win by a huge, huge margin to offset

the election irregularities we already know are in place. Stands to reason there are many things going on in that arena which are below the radar.

Sam

[global1]

14. I Know The Feeling You Have - Too Many Strange Things Have Happened In The Last 10 or 12 Years.....

that give me the willies. I posted this earlier today because I've sensed something going on as well:

"It Actually Looks Like Somebody - Some Group Is Trying To Bring Down The United States.

This really looks like a 'coup' is in the works behind the scenes. What has happened since the Bush vs Gore decision by SCOTUS seems well thought out and methodical. The BushCo years and the destruction they brought on to our economy and culminating in the Citizens United decision. This Rmoney/Ryan ticket looks like more planned destruction to this country if he is elected.

I don't know if it is the rich 1%'ers that are doing this. I really don't know what they gain by it as it is us 99%'ers that keep them in the chips. However, it really looks like someone - some group is looking to crush us.

I just hope the people of this country get smart and quit voting against their best interests and don't let it happen. "

That's what I posted earlier today and then I read this post and in some ways I'm glad someone else is sensing something going on as well and I'm just not paranoid.

[murielm99]

15. I understand.

Maybe you are worried about a coup that could have been long-planned? I wouldn't put it past them to try.

The vulture capitalists have really taken over in a more open way in the last few years. They could try to do something like this, thinking that this might be the time they could get away with it. However, if they thought Wisconsin was bad, this would be worse. I don't think a theft or a coup would work now. They did not count on the people getting so angry and getting so much attention in Wisconsin. And if you think the recall was a failure, it was not. There is a recount in the works now, too.

These people did not expect Occupy, the Arab spring, or the exposure of the Kochs, and ERIC.

Yesterday, I think, someone here asked if his/her fellow DUers thought there would be riots if the election was stolen. I think there would be riots and more.

I am not saying any of this well. But I don't think you are paranoid. I don't think it is far fetched to worry about election theft or coup attempts by the 1%. However, I am not sure the rest of us will stand for it any more.

[RKP5637]

10. I have an uneasy feeling with the entire rightward march of this country, this is one

more item.

[progressivebydesign]

30. the sad thing is that the voters are not marching rightward... it's the GOP's extremists.

AND because of the internet, and the $$$ put up for the tea baggers, it appears that more americans support them.
They don't. They're still the same extremist nuts they always were... Most Americans are sick of the election already, and sick of the extremists.

[Keefer]

11. You know the more I'm reading today...

"Am I crazy?"

No

"Anyone else getting concern?"

Yes

Too many teabaggers out there actually believe that crap.

[DearHeart]

16. I've been feeling the same way

I don't put anything past the repukes! Especially after the 2000 debacle and the 2004 election. I think they're prepared to do anything to get Obama out of the White House and they have the money to do it! Does anyone know if they could actually get Ryan appointed as the official nominee? I thought I read somewhere that the official nominee had to be a candidate who actually ran in the primaries, but I really don't know.

Why wouldn't they pull something? They've already done it and gotten away with everything!

[turtlerescue1]

17. I'm not astute, but as you age you learn to trust your gut.

And my gut is going nuts. I'm just not smart enough to see it or able to convert it to words.

Fundies don't like Catholics, many many Fundies believe Mormonism is a cult. They have to be deaf and illiterate to not match Ryan up with Ayn Rand and her LOUD atheism. Does that mean the repiglicans are trying to lessen the power of the Fundies? I don't know. So where will that voting block of people go?

Something is up, the smoke and mirrors are too obvious.

As for the thought of "coup" when I saw what took place at UCDavis, I sat alone in this house screaming, "Its a coup right here in America." Wish I could let that fear go.

Everything from Mitt the Twit and Sharpshooter Ryan will be scripted.

Justice wanted, you are not alone, and I am so grateful to know I'm not either.

[NYC Liberal]

18. Always be cautious, always be skeptical. That said, they are not gods.

I think too many people here see the GOP as this all-powerful entity that can just do anything it wants.

Yes they've done a lot of shit, are doing a lot, and will do a lot more. But many times they are incompetent, and many times they fuck up.

Romney is just a downright bad candidate. Don't get complacent, but don't let yourself get too worried either.

[Doctor Jack]

19. Na, you have just been listening to the political "experts" too much

Romney could have picked the charred corpse of Adolf Hitler as his running mate and David Gregory and Wolf Blitzer would have spent the day talking about the pro and cons of the decision. On the one hand, it is the 70 year old fossilized remains of mad man, but on the other hand, he does have a lot of foreign policy experience....

[A-Schwarzenegger]

25. FUNNY!!!

[Th1onein]

52. LOL! Welcome to DU, Doctor Jack!

Great post!

[WI_DEM]

20. I live in Wisconsin and didn't think that selecting Ryan was crazy and thought he would do it, too

[zappaman]

23. I don't think the public ever votes for a VP

"I wasn't going to vote for Romney until Ryan joined the ticket" isn't a sentence you're likely to hear.

[Justice wanted]

24. It was a sentence I read tonight from a republican relative of mine.

[progressivebydesign]

31. Sorry to hear about your relative. Low information voter??

Do they realize how little the VP actually affects in the White House? And that Romney is a relatively young guy in good health? Or are they excited that the Koch BRothers and Grover Norquist are going to get their tentacles into Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security?

Bet your relative will be sad when they realize that Ryan's Ayn Rand wet dream/budget actually takes away long term care Medicaid funding, and his reasoning is that their family needs to pay for it, once their own assets are depleted. Hope your relative is very rich... rich enough to fund their own long term care, AND the long term care of their elderly relatives, and that their own kids are rich enough to pay for it when they have to go into care.

Unless someone is making a few million a year, NOTHING that Ryan or Romney offers benefits them. Nothing.

[Justice wanted]

38. Relative believes screw the young and the relative is lucky enough to have made a small fortune

before retiring. So IF they do collect social security it is dwarfed by a Pension and 401 K. So it doesn't matter what happens to me or the rest of the family this person has been set for the rest of the days.

[coalition_unwilling]

41. If your relative is a 1%er (or even a 10%er sociopathic type), then Romney is clearly

his or her candidate. No disputing.

[Nay]

43. These ppl ARE 'low information,' but they are something else as well -- 'signs & symbols' voters.

That's my name for the RW, fundie, gut-level voter who doesn't respond much to information, but is totally attuned to 'signs & symbols.' It's not odd when you consider that most of these people spend their time reading stuff like the Bible and prophetic books, listening to preachers and orators like Rush. Everything that happens is a sign - and every object/person is a symbol. They cleave to a magical world view that isn't substantially different from the magical world views of ancient peoples. The signs and symbols have been updated, true, but the mindset is the same.

The RWers are uneasy with Romney because he is a Mormon. He's a symbol of a cult religion, in many of their minds. Plus he also symbolizes 'the other' in the sense that no one who has met or watched Romney ever gets the feeling that he is human and down-to-earth, i.e., someone you can have a beer with. You also have to consider the symbolism of Romney's dog Seamus being forced onto the top of the car and then running away after that brutality; it's not a story that can be dismissed as a liberal smear tactic - the story was in one of Romney's own books. A common trope in the movies is that animals have special powers in sussing out evil people and will bark at or run away from people who seem nice on the outside but are rotten on the inside. This trope plus Seamus' story combines into the gut feeling that there is something evil about Romney as a person. We liberals feel that disgust and revulsion immediately upon hearing the story, and we recognize that Romney IS a complete asshole and probably could be classified as a sociopath, but the Repub voter cannot do that in his conscious mind BECAUSE HE MUST APPROVE OF THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE NO MATTER WHAT. But his unconscious DOES process it, making him uneasy about Romney.

All these sorts of tropes and signals are deeply buried in RWers' psyches, so they cannot seem to articulate or bring up to their conscious minds the unease they feel when they contemplate Romney, but they have always felt there was something wrong with him. But, being the sheep they are, they cannot vote for the black guy and now, in Ryan, they have THE SIGN that the pub ticket is A-OK. They will be happy to vote for the ticket now; it doesn't matter a whit what sort of powers a VP has -- it's the symbolism.

That's very funny to me, because a couple of generations ago a Catholic was considered to be suspect because RWers just knew he was going to take orders from the Vatican....the Catholic hierarchy has been very successful in ingratiating itself into the fundie camp.

[grasswire]

26. that's all over freerepublic.com

They are thrilled by the Ryan choice, and forgetting their pledges to stay home on election day.

[Kalidurga]

32. What all 12 of them?

I don't think the freeptards are going to have much of an impact on this election.

[pscot]

42. They have permission to like Ryan

but supporting rMoney can get you banned. Crazy Jim can't stand the nominee.

[still_one]

28. This election will be a referendum on social security, Medicare and the supreme court. /nt

[midnight]

29. You have every right to be concerned about the puppet president....Faith based voting has been

making it tough not to be.

[airplaneman]

33. It frightens me what the right wing has done already.

Bush stole the election from Gore.
Bush got two terms.
Norquest gets 100% of republicans promising to never increase taxes (reminds me of the McCarthy era).
Citizens united gets passed.
The banks that screwed us got bailed out and no one got arrested.
Obama puts the crooks that go us into the mess into his cabinet to help get us out of it.
Obama ignores good economic advice and passes a much smaller than needed stimulus.
The republicans lie, lie, lie about the facts and the average Joe believes them.
Compare todays republicans to Eisenhower, Nixon, or even Daddy Bush and I would be relieved by one of them being here now for election instead of being terrified by what I see.
Yes I am getting pretty scared too.
-Airplane

[MjolnirTime]

36. So, you're concerned, huh?

[WinkyDink]

39. If you mean you fear the billionaires are calling the shots... well, DUH! :-)

[jeff47]

44. Here's your problem

I can't read the tea leaves clearly but I just don't like the way all this is falling into place not to mention how many swing states stacking the odds in the Republican favor.

False. Romney is not doing well in swing states. And he has to win ALL of them.

[Justice wanted]

45. Problem is I live in PA Voter ID law happening here. You have OHIO, Flordia, Wis other states

supressing votes and you have the diebold machines.

[jeff47]

46. Romney picked Ryan, and you're worried about Florida?

That's hilarious.

Polling puts Romney behind in OH, WI and PA. Romney's far enough behind in PA that the voter ID law, assuming it's actually enforced on election day, isn't going to disenfranchise enough people to swing it to Romney.

And that's a very charitable assumption on that law, with the PA Republicans being dumb enough to say on tape that they want to disenfranchise Democratic voters. It won't be in effect in November.

Go here. Scroll down and look on the right side where the US map is.

Romney's not going to win WI or PA. He will probably not win OH. FL was close, but with Ryan on the ticket it's gone.

[Justice wanted]

47. THEY ARE KICKING PEOPLE OF VOTING LIST LIKE CRAZY

[jeff47]

48. Yes they are. But not enough to win.

Doesn't matter that you've thrown a million people off when you would lose by two million votes.

And that's assuming they actually GET to block those people from voting. So far, they've lost every court case.

[Justice wanted]

49. I border on Ohio so I have been watching this story. In Democratic counties they have resticted

early voting BUT in republican dominated counties they are allowing early voting.

[jeff47]

50. Yep. Which makes for a very easy "equal protection" lawsuit

Look, I'm not saying Republicans aren't pulling various shenanigans. What I'm saying is the top of their ticket is so awful that the shenanigans aren't enough.

[no_hypocrisy]

51. Here are the things:

1. The election of Romney/Ryan is a possibility, not a probability. We can't accurately assess the probability of their being elected or loss.

2. Republican officials and administrators are not even trying to hide voter disenfranchisement throughout the country. Democrats mostly, African-Americans and Latinos pervasively.

3. Diebold, Sequoia voting machines.

4. Swing states are unpredictable to gauge.

5. The traditional October Surprise by the Republicans.

So, no, you aren't unduly concerned. The way I see things is to work harder where you are, even if you're in a blue state. There's plenty of corruption in the areas that are seemingly "sewn up".