74% of the Elderly DISAPPROVE of Ryan Plan

[berni_mccoy]

The age group that Obama has the lowest support in DISAPPROVES strongly of the Ryan plan, to the tune of 74%. And Conservative Elderly DISAPPROVE at the level of 54%.

From Politico: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79607.html

In June 2011 a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey found that 58 percent of American adults opposed the Medicare idea, while just 35 percent said they supported. Among the elderly, the disapproval rate soared to 74 percent. Even among conservative voters, 54 percent disapproved.

In the same month, a Pew Research Center poll found that 41 percent of Americans opposed turning Medicare into a voucher system, akin to Ryan’s plan, although 23 percent had no opinion. That poll also found that a majority of older Americans, 51 percent, opposed the idea. When Pew drilled down, it found that voters preferred Democrats handling of Medicare over Republicans by 10 points — 44 to 34 percent.

Choosing Ryan could be a game changer all right: by bringing more elderly into the Obama camp.

[NYC_SKP]

1. Only 74%. Hmmm, maybe...

The remaining 26% didn't hear the question....

[roguevalley]

15. go to AARP and read the comments. :D

[Trekologer]

19. The remaining 26% include the "I got mine" crowd

The Romney/Ryan plan (since they now own it) appeals to those folks; by not changing benefits for those currently or soon to be receiving them, it tries to pander to the type of people who are only concerned about themselves. When the Romney/Ryan plan first came out, I thought that the Democrats should urge them to go all the way: make it apply to everyone, even those currently on Medicare. It would either wedge seniors away from the GOP or make the GOP explain why they are pandering and possibly even defend Medicare as it currently is.

[greatauntoftriplets]

27. People exactly like....

Mitt Romney!

[jwirr]

25. Or are in a nursing home and do not understand anymore.

[NYC_SKP]

26. I was canvassing yesterday and spoke with a 52 yo woman.

She was in a quandary about what to about her parents who suffer from dementia.

Interesting problem. Their votes are of equal value to ours but they cannot vote without assistance.

[kooljerk666]

33. I would take them to get Absentee Ballots

easy way to get their votes counted & avoid GOP obstructionism.

[NYC_SKP]

34. They do absentee, the conversation was about who should fill them out.

When the elderly are on sketchy cognitive ground and don't know one candidate from another, might not even know what year it is.

Who fills it out?

And, should it even be encouraged if they don't explicitly ask to vote.

Moral dilemma.

Both of us agreed reluctantly that we shouldn't prevent their vote from counting.

Her dad was always a total RW asshole.

And argument could be made that he's incompetent to vote.

[reformist2]

36. That's great news. They're not being selfish as Romney/Ryan had hoped.

[emulatorloo]

43. Standard 25% that still loves Bush/Cheney

[warrior1]

2. Finally the

strangle hold of the elderly by the gop is finally over. Welcome to the future. Death to the republican party.

[cali]

3. now that's news that would make me jump for joy

If I didn't still have a fucking broken leg.

[NYC_SKP]

4. What's the difference between "Vouchers" and "Rationing"?

I don't think there is one, or if there is it's just one in details.

We ought to re-frame any attempts to establish a voucher program by calling it what it is: rationing, limiting access.

[cali]

5. now that's some good framing, skp. you should pass it on.

[jeff47]

12. The difference is vouchers are explicitly designed to not pay enough.

Under a rationing scheme, you could theoretically still receive care if your case became severe enough.

Under the proposed voucher scheme, they will never pay enough to cover your costs. By design.

[Iliyah]

20. NYC_SKP, I can't image

giving a $15,000 - $20,000 voucher for medical expenses to seniors. Shit that amount would only cover about 2 months of medical services and Rx expenses, especially with the high costs of health-care. Also, can you image all the vultures and predators that will be after those monies? Now, after several months, that amount has been exhausted, so then what? Family, friends and churches and charitable associations will have to make up the difference, but in the meantime, the 1-2% gets even richer.

"The meek shall inherit the earth"

[NYC_SKP]

24. It is truly a death panel. It's a killer. My parents are in their 80s.

that 15-20 K is gone in one visit to the ER, and they have several each year.

They might be the exception, but if there wasn't the safety net in place, they'd either sit on the curb to die or end up costing us more money in medical costs indirectly.

I am just devastated that people like Ryan are so cold and mean.

[Brickbat]

6. Now all they have to do is vote.

[cali]

7. The elderly do vote.

that's why they're such a sought after demographic.

[Brickbat]

8. Exactly.

[Thinkingabout]

9. This should include large percentage of the younger folks.

And why should everyone be overjoyed with Ryan's budget cuts to medicare, etc, why to give more tax breaks to the likes of Rmoney who probably does not pay taxes to begin with. Rmoney is ashamed of the amount of taxes he does not pay and only will prove the point the 10% does not pay taxes but the lower income is floating the beast at the top. Get out and vote, it is imperative. It should be about the real issues, no taxes at the top and quit worrying about the social issues like gay rights, abortion, etc which is allowing crazy people to win elections and holding up job programs.

[LibDemAlways]

10. The only elderly person - heck, the only person period - who would "approve" of

this plan either has a couple million bucks safely tucked away or simply doesn't understand the details. This is pure and simple abandonment of the people by the government. These bugs deserved to be squashed in November in a manner that sends a clear message that this plan is shit the American people simply won't eat.

[Cosmocat]

11. That is fucking HUGE ...

by polling standards, that is MASSIVE, and the "conservative" portion is astounding ...

[berni_mccoy]

29. Indeed it is.

[Lucky Luciano]

13. Many of that 74% are probably tea party believers

that simultaneously want socialized medicine without knowing it!

[Dustin DeWinde]

14. well the gop has already alienated everyone else

Guess they figured they may as well alienate seniors too

[kestrel91316]

16. [phone] - and welcome to DU!!

[ANewEra]

17. Why the Romney campaign opted to choose Ryan as VP

is beyond me. While it is an obvious attempt to appeal to the extreme right wing, that segment of the voting base is not in itself large enough to guarantee election. By alienating yet another group, Romney has merely dug himself deeper into the hole that he has been digging since the day he became the presumptive GOP candidate.

[livetohike]

28. Welcome to DU!

[flamingdem]

18. Watch them sell a very "modified" version that has pleasers for geezers

and young people who buy divide and conquer if they hear it might screw boomers.

[valerief]

21. Yes, but not 74% of the 1% and the 1% are ALL that matters in this toilet of a country. nt

[Iliyah]

22. Meanwhile, SSI will be destroyed,

chopped up, and maybe the crumbs will be thrown to the seniors, disabled, and others who rely on such service.

[Freddie]

23. How many of those 74% hate the black guy in the White House more?

That is the crux of the issue.

[tabbycat31]

30. I think the GOP kissed FL goodbye with this selection

[berni_mccoy]

31. Let's hope so

[1-Old-Man]

32. Now all they have to do is convince their grandchildren, or threaten to move in with them

[bucolic_frolic]

35. ROMNEY-RYAN CO-PRESIDENCY CONFIRMED

ROMNEY-RYAN CO-PRESIDENCY CONFIRMED

GOP Chairman: Romney Is Not Ready To Lead on Day One Without Ryan

Appearing on Meet The Press on Sunday, Republican Party Chairman Reince Priebus admitted that
Romney would only be ready to lead "on day one" with Vice Presidential candidate
Paul Ryan (R-WI) by his side. "Combined, these guys are ready on day one," he
said, suggesting that without Ryan, Romney would not be prepared to assume the
responsibilities of the office on day one.

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/08/12/679601/gop-chairman-without-ryan-ro
mney-is-not-ready-to-lead-on-day-one/?mobile=nc

[SmittynMo]

37. Is anyone surprised?

I'm not. The GOP is out to screw us all.

[tclambert]

38. And that hurts Romney in Florida and Arizona.

Romney has a pretty sizable lead in Arizona. Probably won't cost him that state. But Florida slightly favors Obama. Ryan's negatives with seniors could make Florida lean more strongly toward Obama. That's 29 electoral votes right there. Thank you, Congressman Ryan.

[HooptieWagon]

39. Hasn't Ryans budget already gotten several House votes?

Dems need to hammer GOP incumbents who have voted for Ryans budget. Wrap it around their necks like a noose.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

40. Many people don't what Ryan's plan is

The more times we broadcast that it is the first step to getting rid of Medicare, the better

[steve2470]

42. k&r nt