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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsChuck's saying Robme's "senior problem" makes it hard for him to win now
Anyone just see Chuck Todd with the electoral map??
Because Ryan = Senior problem, he could lose FL, Iowa, and PA - with high senior populations.
And that doesn' say anything about his "hispanic" problem.
Because if he loses FL, he has to win WI, NV, NH, VA, NC, OHIO !!!!
Geez, what an idiot. He now has a 54% to 38% lead with seniors. Watch that erode.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)he just did ten minutes in St Augustine before a crowd of a hundred or so. it was very lackluster and the crowd was mainly older richer and white
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)attention to the fact that you dress Ryan up but you can't take him out. This is the first day. I would have scheduled something in
the youngest, conservative city around. Whatever that is.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)livetohike
(22,123 posts)Replace Medicare with a voucher that won't buy 2 months worth of any insurance plan! Yeah, that will work out just fine. Force senior citizens to shop for a medical insurer......great idea!
reformist2
(9,841 posts)All of us should be thanking the seniors for seeing right through Romney/Ryan's cynical attempt to divide us!!!
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)healthcare and confuse them even more...oh god. Of course R&R keep saying it won't affect anyone on it today....but it will still scare people.
livetohike
(22,123 posts)any little change sets both of them into an obsessive, won't-let-it-go direction. It will scare people, because it seems once some idea like this takes hold, then where do they stop.....it will extend to current programs, imo.
earthside
(6,960 posts)Todd's perspective is very, very conventional.
I think people need to start looking at the Rmoney/Repuglican strategy from a different point of view.
Todd won't talk about it because it conflicts with his conservative background: Rmoney and the Repuglicans are planning on stealing Florida.
And Pennsylvania and Ohio.
Rmoney and Repuglicans are going to do everything they can to drive down participation in this election.
The addition of Koch acolyte Paul Ryan to the Repuglican ticket means even more (if you can imagine it) money to be spent to make this one of the ugliest elections in modern times.
For all of Rmoney's inadequacies as a candidate, the plutocrats are intent upon putting him in the White House -- no matter what the cost.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)have heard who is actually looking at this pick from a different perspective. Everyone else this morning
was saying what a great idea it was, picking Eddie. MoJoe this morning was a lovefest for R&R. So, at least Chuck is making sense.
I agree with the voter suppression biting us. Wish there was something that could be done. Hopefully the feds will stop the PA voter ID.
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)sort of like 2008, numbers were so great they couldn't steal it?
earthside
(6,960 posts)We don't out-number them.
That is why the national presidential polls have always shown this race to be within five or six points.
Even in the so-called swing states, Obama's margin generally was only 2 or 3 percent in 2008.
This is certainly not going to be like 2008; we are just not going to have the same turnout and I haven't seen a projection that says we will.
Sorry to be a 'downer' ... but I am just trying to call attention to a serious challenge from the corporatist plutocrats: they will cheat and they will spend whatever they have to to take back the White House.
This election is not going to be about issues -- don't be distracted -- this is going to be an election about mechanics.
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)I have more faith in people's self survival. You get people at Romney/Ryan events screaming about Medicare, Social Security, it will get people's attention.
It is the THIRD RAIL, the GOP are in for a shock...I don't care how much they hate Obama, don't mess with their gubbmint check or Medicare...know what I mean?
George II
(67,782 posts)Hmmmmm.............
earthside
(6,960 posts)I think Todd thinks deep "inside the box."
He is an establishment mouthpiece.
BumRushDaShow
(128,502 posts)And even factoring in the shenanigans of the Voter ID law - such is impacting the trailer parks as much as the urban areas because distances to get to the DMVs to get such an ID are greater for those in rural areas. At least I am *finally* seeing some M$M calling PA "lean Democrat" vs "swing state" or "toss up" because based on their nonsensical criteria, NJ, which voted for Poppy Bush in 1992, should then be a "swing state" vs "strong Democrat" (and they rotate governorships and state legislatures by party as much as PA does).
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)uponit7771
(90,302 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,502 posts)Almost a month ago - http://articles.cnn.com/2012-07-23/politics/politics_pennsylvania-voter-id_1_pennsylvania-voter-id-law-voter-turnout-justice-department
I believe they are looking at a possible Sect. 2 (vs Sect. 5) violation.
In the meantime, I think they are watching to see what the state court decides first. A ruling from the Commonwealth Court is due this week and then with any appeal (expected from either side), the state Supreme Court should at least do something not long after (I don't think they will wait until right before the election). The issue being that this law violates the state Constitution which calls for "free and equal elections".
§ 5. Elections.
Elections shall be free and equal; and no power, civil or
military, shall at any time interfere to prevent the free
exercise of the right of suffrage.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Todd gets lamer by the minute.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)the strength's Ryan brings, now that the dust has settled. Doesn't automatically bring in a swing state, doesn't help with hispanics, doesn't help with women ( I wouldn't think that women support cuts in medicare), and now...to create another sore point???
99Forever
(14,524 posts).. I don't get my information from the paid shills on the idiot box. Dependably biased 1%er garbage.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)politics in some other way. Not TV. But DU, OK'
99Forever
(14,524 posts)And DU is a great starting place.
Lex
(34,108 posts)I saw that on the news a couple of weeks ago.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)us. why would you do something that would hurt the proportion of the constituency that actually likes you? Seniors. DUH