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I don't think Obama is going to cut Social Security. (Original Post) ProSense Aug 2012 OP
Inspirational nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #1
Thanks Third Way Manny. ProSense Aug 2012 #4
LOL GreenPartyVoter Aug 2012 #5
Woo hoo! tk2kewl Aug 2012 #15
Well, ProSense Aug 2012 #18
agree tk2kewl Aug 2012 #23
Especially as a bumper sticker: "Either way, he's got my vote." woo me with science Aug 2012 #17
wahahahhahahah....lol limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #56
Preserving SS with no compromise is the defining fight we need. pa28 Aug 2012 #40
HARRHAHGHAAAA dsteve01 Aug 2012 #43
Either Way! woo me with science Aug 2012 #47
Either way it is! limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #57
If Obama were going to do it, it would have been done by now. It's a ridiculous assertion. berni_mccoy Aug 2012 #2
You may have something there. JohnnyRingo Aug 2012 #28
If only he could have a (real majority) congress on his side. Amonester Aug 2012 #35
I'm with you, Pro. elleng Aug 2012 #3
If those were the changes he wanted then it would seem his appointments TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #6
Obama could come right out and say he WON't but that's committment & leadership nt msongs Aug 2012 #7
Sure, but ProSense Aug 2012 #8
Obama HAS come right out and said it. He's been very direct, not semantic about it all along: freshwest Aug 2012 #48
He probably will through eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse. Same in Medicare where the uber rich nanabugg Aug 2012 #9
! spanone Aug 2012 #10
I'm with you. speedoo Aug 2012 #11
Unless he finds a way to keep costs down and creates enough room in the long term budget... dkf Aug 2012 #16
Some are so invested in their prediction that SS will be cut... SidDithers Aug 2012 #12
With you! Tarheel_Dem Aug 2012 #13
One thing I am sure of he won't destroy or privitize it. The last time this happened he indicated still_one Aug 2012 #14
Of course I'm voting for Obama--even though he has stated his support for-- eridani Aug 2012 #19
Attention Third Way Calendar Watchers! woo me with science Aug 2012 #20
. ProSense Aug 2012 #21
These clowns are somehow still influential around here. rudycantfail Aug 2012 #24
Yeah, ProSense Aug 2012 #26
You yourself are sounding less convinced rudycantfail Aug 2012 #30
Oh, do ProSense Aug 2012 #34
Cut or no cut, either way rudycantfail Aug 2012 #38
Catfood is nutritious, woo me with science Aug 2012 #44
They've been quiet for a while jberryhill Aug 2012 #33
LOL. I deem this thread an INSTANT DU CLASSIC! Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #22
I really am ProSense Aug 2012 #25
That's some bumper sticker material... woo me with science Aug 2012 #29
I was imagining them going door to door with that slogan! Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #31
It could work. ProSense Aug 2012 #36
LOL! limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #54
there's no reason to cut ss veganlush Aug 2012 #27
Because it's a stupid talking point Cha Aug 2012 #46
The talking points SunsetDreams Aug 2012 #58
I've been noticing your Cha Aug 2012 #60
! SunsetDreams Aug 2012 #32
. ProSense Aug 2012 #37
.. SunsetDreams Aug 2012 #41
Wait a minute-- you said you'd drop your support for Obama if Marr Aug 2012 #39
Has he? ProSense Aug 2012 #42
My point is that your position has rotated 180 degrees. Marr Aug 2012 #45
Ouch, that IS going to leave a mark! nt Bonobo Aug 2012 #49
No, it hasn't ProSense Aug 2012 #50
*First* deny the right-wing policy. woo me with science Aug 2012 #59
Sadly, no matter how the think-tank clan brainiacs spin it, he already has!!! grahamhgreen Aug 2012 #51
Nope, ProSense Aug 2012 #52
Disagree. grahamhgreen Aug 2012 #53
This was seriously the funniest thing I've seen online in a while. Thank you limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #55
LOL! This ProSense Aug 2012 #62
He ran on the idea of raising the cap and he should seek that. Chained CPI is not acceptable. Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #61
 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
23. agree
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:49 AM
Aug 2012

but after 4 years my take is obama campaigns well to the left of how he acts; i hope he proves me wrong

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
17. Especially as a bumper sticker: "Either way, he's got my vote."
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:18 AM
Aug 2012

Defending seniors and the 99 percent.....Or not!

pa28

(6,145 posts)
40. Preserving SS with no compromise is the defining fight we need.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:38 AM
Aug 2012

I'd always considered Shakespeare's Henry V speech to be really inspirational . . . until now.



Looks like somebody just raised the bar. Woot!

JohnnyRingo

(18,613 posts)
28. You may have something there.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:01 AM
Aug 2012

That's one thing the Repub congress would have slid through like a greased pig.

They were complaining about exactly this when they carped that "Obama won't lead". It was because they wanted him to "reform" Social Security so they could plaster his name on it and serve it up to the seniors.

He didn't take the bait then, and I don't see why he'd want that in his legacy in the future.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
35. If only he could have a (real majority) congress on his side.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:19 AM
Aug 2012

But the many roadblocks don't always only come from the cRazies... (sigh)

elleng

(130,644 posts)
3. I'm with you, Pro.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 11:38 PM
Aug 2012

He wants to adjust pay-outs for wealthy, and adjust or remove the income cap, I think, and I'm ALL FOR those changes.

TheKentuckian

(25,011 posts)
6. If those were the changes he wanted then it would seem his appointments
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 11:53 PM
Aug 2012

to these commissions and "gangs" would be quite different and he'd probably stop pushing them at with the make up of Congress. No way are those changes reasonable to expect from any austerity gang yet.

"Eat your peas" in no way alludes to raising the cap. How would that be "peas"? I don't see the counter-weight that is off setting all actions and words?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
8. Sure, but
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 11:58 PM
Aug 2012

Obama could come right out and say he WON't but that's committment & leadership nt

...if he said it wrong in a semantic sort of way or appears to wink while he said it, that wouldn't do.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
48. Obama HAS come right out and said it. He's been very direct, not semantic about it all along:
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:23 AM
Aug 2012
President Obama Weekly Address August 13th, 2010: Honoring Social Security, Not Privatizing It

We have an obligation to keep that promise; to safeguard Social Security for our seniors, people with disabilities, and all Americans – today, tomorrow, and forever.

One thing we can’t afford to do though is privatize Social Security – an ill-conceived idea that would add trillions of dollars to our budget deficit while tying your benefits to the whims of Wall Street traders and the ups and downs of the stock market.

That agenda is wrong for seniors, it’s wrong for America, and I won’t let it happen. Not while I’m President.

Seventy-five years ago today, Franklin Roosevelt made a promise. He promised that from that day forward, we’d offer – quote – “some measure of protection to the average citizen and to his family against poverty-stricken old age.” That’s a promise each generation of Americans has kept. And it’s a promise America will continue to keep so long as I have the honor of serving as President.


Those are snippets from the piece with the video I posted here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1115331

 

nanabugg

(2,198 posts)
9. He probably will through eliminating waste, fraud, and abuse. Same in Medicare where the uber rich
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:03 AM
Aug 2012

medical and health professional take the government to the cleaners with their fraud.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
16. Unless he finds a way to keep costs down and creates enough room in the long term budget...
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:17 AM
Aug 2012

He won't affect Medicare much.

He can't protect it if he does nothing.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
12. Some are so invested in their prediction that SS will be cut...
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:07 AM
Aug 2012

that they won't be happy unless it actually is cut. They're in effect cheering for the SS cut they so claim to oppose.

It boggles the mind.

Sid

still_one

(92,055 posts)
14. One thing I am sure of he won't destroy or privitize it. The last time this happened he indicated
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:08 AM
Aug 2012

That if the repukes would raise taxes on the 1% he would consider cuts

I am troubled by that, but I would like to think if he gets in especially with some coat tails in Congreve he will do things right this time

He knows now he cannot compromise with the repukes, and that should also motivate him to the left

eridani

(51,907 posts)
19. Of course I'm voting for Obama--even though he has stated his support for--
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:21 AM
Aug 2012

--the chained CPI, which sure the hell is a CUT in Social Security.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
20. Attention Third Way Calendar Watchers!
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:23 AM
Aug 2012

The shift from denying that cuts will happen to defending them has begun!




ProSense

(116,464 posts)
26. Yeah,
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:52 AM
Aug 2012

"These clowns are somehow still influential around here."

...they make great straw men.

Think about it: If you don't accept the mischaracterization of the cuts to Medicare (the same characterization being made by the RW) and don't believe that Obama is going to cut Social Security, you're Third Way.

Doesn't make much sense, but it is accepted logic.



 

rudycantfail

(300 posts)
30. You yourself are sounding less convinced
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:09 AM
Aug 2012

by the moment - "I can't be sure, but either way he's got my vote."

Get your shit straight Chuckles.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
34. Oh, do
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:18 AM
Aug 2012

"You yourself are sounding less convinced"

...interpret the OP to suit your position. It's cool.

I'm just pointing out that I'm voting for Obama.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
33. They've been quiet for a while
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:12 AM
Aug 2012

The only way Obama will win their trust is to end don't ask, don't tell. But it may be too late for that.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
31. I was imagining them going door to door with that slogan!
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:10 AM
Aug 2012

Seriously, imagine how that scene would play out.



PB

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
36. It could work.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:21 AM
Aug 2012

"I was imagining them going door to door with that slogan!"

I mean, I'm sure some people are buying into Romney's "Obama sucks, vote for me."

veganlush

(2,049 posts)
27. there's no reason to cut ss
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:59 AM
Aug 2012

Why does no one get this? SS solvent til at least 2037. After that, it's reduced by 25% if nothing is tweeked before that. lifting the $107,000 cap would take care of it. no one is going to cut SS . Medicare is the one rto worry about as it is funded differently

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
39. Wait a minute-- you said you'd drop your support for Obama if
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:31 AM
Aug 2012

he ever cut Social Security. You were adamant that he'd never do such a thing, and anyone suggesting otherwise was just a Republican mole, out to undermine this great progressive President.

Now you're 'not sure' on whether he'd make such cuts, and completely blasé about it?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
42. Has he?
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:49 AM
Aug 2012
Wait a minute-- you said you'd drop your support for Obama if

he ever cut Social Security. You were adamant that he'd never do such a thing, and anyone suggesting otherwise was just a Republican mole, out to undermine this great progressive President.

Now you're 'not sure' on whether he'd make such cuts, and completely blasé about it?

He hasn't cut Social Security so why would I have dropped my support? The OP states that I don't know what he plans to do, but I'm voting for him. I'm not going to withhold my vote base on speculation. If Obama came out before the election and stated emphatically that he plans to cut Social Security, he'd lose anyway. What would be the point of voting?

Have you dropped your support already or are you planning to vote for the President despite the speculation?

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
45. My point is that your position has rotated 180 degrees.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:02 AM
Aug 2012

You've gone from being absolutely certain he'd never do such a thing and being indignant at those who think otherwise, to adopting a sort of, "ho-hum, who can say? I like him anyway" sort of attitude.

Is your statement in the OP merely a rhetorical one? Do you remain convinced that he would never do such a thing, and plan to withdraw your support if he does?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
50. No, it hasn't
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:29 AM
Aug 2012
My point is that your position has rotated 180 degrees.

You've gone from being absolutely certain he'd never do such a thing and being indignant at those who think otherwise, to adopting a sort of, "ho-hum, who can say? I like him anyway" sort of attitude.

Is your statement in the OP merely a rhetorical one? Do you remain convinced that he would never do such a thing, and plan to withdraw your support if he does?


It's rhetorical, but does that matter? I mean, isn't that the position of those who adamantly believe he wants to cut Social Security?

I'll vote for him because the alternative is worse. Isn't that a "ho-hum" sort of attitude?

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
59. *First* deny the right-wing policy.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 05:19 AM
Aug 2012

*Then* justify it!


It's the Third Way Way:


[font size=5] EITHER WAY!

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grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
51. Sadly, no matter how the think-tank clan brainiacs spin it, he already has!!!
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:39 AM
Aug 2012

"WASHINGTON -- Sen. Tom Harkin slammed his own president and party for hatching the payroll tax cut deal that is expected to pass Congress Friday, saying he's "embarrassed" the Democrats are pushing a measure that begins the "unravelling of Social Security." The bill will extend a 2 percent break in the tax that goes to fund Social Security for the rest of 2012, saving families $1,000 on average.

That lost revenue will be replaced in the Social Security trust fund from the nation's general tax collections, but the plan has attracted opposition from both the left and right on grounds that it sets a bad precedent and adds the $100 billion cost to the deficit. Harkin (D-Iowa), who has long been a staunch defender of Social Security, hammered it as the beginning of the end for the program.

"This Congress will be making a grave mistake -- a grave mistake -- and reinforcing a dangerous precedent," Harkin said in a dramatic Senate floor speech late Thursday. "And I’m dismayed that Democrats, including a Democratic president and a Democratic vice president, have proposed this, and are willing to sign off on a deal that could begin the unraveling of Social Security." Harkin argued that Social Security had always been strong and protected because it was funded by its own dedicated tax stream that ensured every American would be guaranteed a basic income in their retirements, and that the program added not "even one dime to the deficits or the national debt."

But he said now that Congress was going to pay for this cut with borrowed money from the general treasury funds, the best argument of the program's defenders was gone. "With this bill, we can no longer say that. We can no longer say that Social Security doesn't contribute to the deficit," Harkin said. He argued that a far better plan would have been to simply grant working Americans rebates on their income taxes, the way Presidents Obama and George W. Bush had done in recent years.
Hauling Social Security into the equation, he said, betrays the legacy of Democratic presidents who started the program and strengthened it over the years, from Franklin Roosevelt to John Kennedy.
"This, I believe has been the hallmark and the underpinning of the party that I've been proud to belong to," Harkin said. "Cutting the payroll tax is a bad idea, terrible idea. I'm embarrassed that it's being proposed by a Democratic president and a Democratic vice president.""

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/17/payroll-tax-cut-tom-harkin_n_1284334.html

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
52. Nope,
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:46 AM
Aug 2012

"Sadly, no matter how the think-tank clan brainiacs spin it, he already has!!!"

...not a single dollar of benefits cut. Harkin makes no mention of benefits cuts. The argument is one of creating the perception that Social Security is tied to the deficit. It is not about cutting benefits.

Besides, the funding is being replaced:

That lost revenue will be replaced in the Social Security trust fund from the nation's general tax collections, but the plan has attracted opposition from both the left and right on grounds that it sets a bad precedent and adds the $100 billion cost to the deficit.



 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
61. He ran on the idea of raising the cap and he should seek that. Chained CPI is not acceptable.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 04:29 PM
Aug 2012

He also ran on ending Federal income tax for seniors making less than 50k and that is also a winning idea.

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