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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums49% of Seniors “living on a food budget of about $5 a day"
The wealthiest nation in the world has half of its seniors living on $5 a day for food; thats an out and out scandal. Thats completely unacceptable but more than that its the result of an economic system that doesnt allow people to save for decades. You have people who lost a fortune by reckless banks investing in risky credit derivatives and financial schemes and in a blink people lost their life savings. It is untenable.
Were not talking about some minority of people who were simply irresponsible were talking about HALF of Americas seniors. And the ONLY reason that number isnt higher is because of Social Security; without Social Security more families would become caretakers of their parents and for those without families they would end up dying in some homeless shelter somewhere. And no thats not hyperbolic; thats reality.
The NY Times writes HERE:
Seventy-five percent of Americans nearing retirement age in 2010 had less than $30,000 in their retirement accounts. The specter of downward mobility in retirement is a looming reality for both middle- and higher-income workers. Almost half of middle-class workers, 49 percent, will be poor or near poor in retirement, living on a food budget of about $5 a day.
Read more: http://www.classwarfareexists.com/49-of-seniors-living-on-a-food-budget-of-about-5-a-day/#ixzz23WY1j2tm
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)brigade. Very little astonishes me these days but that one always does.
97 and homeless. There has been SUCH an increase in homelessness in my area and I've seen people that were obviously in their 70's and maybe even 80's, stooped, pushing shopping carts full of odds and ends. You wonder where their families are but, then again, their families may be destitute as well. It's a real possibility in this horrible economy.
Goddess bless this woman.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)that took most of my savings. Not to mention that my savings that I needed to pay medical bills and live on for a year were reduced to near half because of the stock market crash. It must also be my fault that I had to start drawing my pension at a reduced rate because my job went away and I needed the money to live. These people need to realize sometimes life doesn't go as planned.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)"Sometimes life ain't neat." One NEVER knows if/when/how one's world will be shaken to the core. Most people are two paychecks away from homelessness. It wasn't that long ago I was waking up in the middle of the night with cold-sweat terror wondering if we were going to go into foreclosure. At the moment, we're treading water but one more catastrophe and that's it. We're done.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)you never know what will happen tomorrow. There are many who are only one disaster away from your or my story. They just don't realize it.
Skittles
(153,147 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)The 1%ers are largely the folks who simply beat the odds (and their heirs).
salvorhardin
(9,995 posts)Honestly, I'm not trying to be antagonistic. I ask because that's about my budget for food. I've been poor for so long though I have no idea what most people would consider normal.
Note: I am very well aware of statistics surrounding SNAP (food stamps) and how little the average beneficiary receives. My question relates to the normative, not the descriptive.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)-- if anybody knows or wants to volunteer information.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)I am very budget conscious and I watch prices and am very aware of what we spend on groceries. I also belong to a couple of online savings message boards and the question you asked has been discussed a few times each year.
We are a family of four with two pets. I use coupons and I shop multiple grocery stores to get the best deals. I spend around $500 per month on groceries and that includes all food and non-food items (shampoo, paper products, cleaners, etc). That's if I really do a great job of getting the good deals and if I really focus.
Other women have answered this question, and the answers vary. Some were able to feed a family of four on $300 per month. Most said around $400-600.
I know any families that easy spend $200+ per week. It's not tough to do. Grocery prices are totally outrageous. Many items are up 100%. Compare with 5-6 years ago, I'd say that food prices have risen 40 percent for most things. Most people don't pay attention to prices like I do. I have a notebook that I've kept track of food prices through the years. I kept a record so I would know which prices were great deals as I shopped multiple stores. The list helped me to track prices of often-purchased items. I can tell you that peanut butter, eggs, beef, packaged cheese, soups, packaged cereals, granola bars, frozen veggie and many other items have doubled in price.
I remember a few years ago, getting peanut butter on sale for $1. Now it rarely goes below $2.50. So many examples like that. We are being gouged like crazy on food. The prices are so high that it is similar to taking a pay cut.
That's my 2 cents anyway...
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)for that. I think I need to look more closely at what I'm
spending. Maybe time to go back to beans & rice &
dandelion greens. (good way to get thin).
I've read that mice who are on a 'starvation' diet,
ie bare minimum, tend to be healthier and live longer
than the ones who eat as much as they please.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)About $50 to $85 per week.
salvorhardin
(9,995 posts)I know my cooking would be radically different on an extra $49 per week.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)I usually spend about $85 to $100 a week. That includes cleaning supplies, toilet paper and food for my dogs. I don't eat a whole lot because I am always on a diet. And I do not buy meat because I am a vegetarian.
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)Incitatus
(5,317 posts)That's with going out to eat.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I try to keep each meal at three dollars or less, and I only eat two meals a day. To be fair, I only need two meals a day. If I just work at it a little, it's not that hard for me to keep within that budget.
And a lot more to the point, I wonder exactly how accurate that headline is.
shraby
(21,946 posts)DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)Medicaid is about medical care.
sammytko
(2,480 posts)You can have a house worth 506,000 dollars and still qualify for Medicaid.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)bet there is already a lien against it. As soon as the community spouse dies, the lien kicks in for the TOTAL amount of Moms nursing home. You get "the letter" the week of the funeral. Look up Medicaid Asset Recovery, it's an eye opener.
sammytko
(2,480 posts)and my brother is still living there.
And really, we don't care if they take it once my mother is no longer living. Her home runs 4500 a month, so 54,000 a year. She will have used up the value of the house in 15 months. Well worth it to us to have her well taken care of.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)been reading about people losing small family farms that have been in the family for generations, not aware of the "fine print". I'm sure Mom would have wanted to pass her home on to her family, not the state. Millionaires have financial planners and schemes, and families can inherit. The middle class, not so much.
Other nations don't do this. In Norway, if Mom needs a nursing home, it is provided. The only cost is she gives up a small part of her "pension" what we call social security, to pay for it. Thats it. Her assets and home are passed on to her family. They think our system is barbaric.
sammytko
(2,480 posts)My mother also gives up part of her SS, but keeps my father's civil service pension.
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)Medicaid does not cover independent or even assisted living placements for seniors.
Lasher
(27,566 posts)Lots of retirement IRAs were decimated by the subprime mortgage crisis. Many seniors have a little bit left in them, although it's no longer enough to sustain them for the rest of their lives as they had planned. When that runs out they will end up penniless.
Yavin4
(35,433 posts)Seniors can eat 5 times a day off the McDonald's dollar value menu!
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)yep $5 is about right. $10 a day in meidcine is about right too.
We're fucked.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Kaleva
(36,294 posts)It was less then that a week ago but I haven't spent any money since last Thursday.
Javaman
(62,517 posts)Last edited Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:40 PM - Edit history (1)
It will be interesting to watch how quickly they change their tune when reality suddenly kicks them square in the pants.
All the crazy rhetoric by the right wing regarding SS will quickly be shouted down by the retiring baby boomers.
I have believed that there wouldn't be a cut to SS, in fact I see it being expanded.
the republican party are dancing as fast as they can because they know full well they are about to lose a huge portion of their base.
mojo2012
(290 posts)This is the future for our kids and grandkids that Ryan touts??? You are correct, Dem or Rep, the effect will be the same. Under the Romney-Ryan budget, remember Medicaid will be turned over to the states and all federal funding ceases which means less money for the states to spread out to those who need it. Even if anyone 55 or above supposedly will still be on the traditional Medicare program, the fact is that once Medicare runs out for this age group and they are forced into Medicaid and coverage for it lessens (under the Romney-Ryan budget) for nursing home care, guess who has to pick up the rest of it if they need to stay in the nursing home? Their children, that is if they can afford it. So the over 55 can be severely affected. Those under 55 get a double whammy...help pay for the elder parent in a nursing home AND lose their own Medicare (probably SS in the future) as we know it today. The children of the top 1% will probably never have to face this growing issue since they will be able to afford anything that comes their way, especially since the Romney-Ryan plan will protect the rich with lower taxes.
I hope those under 55 whose thoughts for Medicare and SS are far away, consider this possible scenario should Romney win this election. What happens to the 80-year old mother, father, etc. who is currently in a nursing home, exhausted their Medicare benefits, is on Medicaid, their Medicaid coverage is lowered, and their children can't afford to make up the difference? What then? It doesn't matter if you are a Dem or Rep anymore does it? The only difference is that the Rep who voted for the Romney-Ryan ticket shouldn't be allowed to complain since that's who they wanted for the future of our country.
I know I and my siblings can't afford to pick up the difference in the cost of nursing home care and the Medicaid payment. From experience, nursing home care can run between $6,000-$9,000 PER MONTH. No one should be forced to make such a decision on the care of their parent.
renate
(13,776 posts)Thank you, and welcome to DU!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Many of those most affected, are being denied the right to vote on their future, having given all their productive years and will be expecting that SS. Many are not informed, or don't believe the GOP will really do what the Democrats are saying that they will do. They just think that it will all be taken care of by someone. Others will be diverted by other things and not vote. It's going to be close.
Javaman
(62,517 posts)probably say something really stupid like, "come on, people over 65 only watch wheel of fortune, they don't know about politics".
I put nothing past the repukes.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Of their plans before, they've used this often. The problem is that people should be scared of what the GOP is planning for them. Also, at a certain point a older person is more involved with their ADL's (activities of daily living) that younger persons do without a thought. It takes up a lot of their time. Their bodies, hearts and nerves are more fragile and less able to take stress, physical and emotonal. They run from considering these things. And others have a nest egg so they don't believe it will affect them. I have two friends in poor health, who were private contractors all their lives, and did not put enough quarters to draw SS. So they will never retire, vote GOP to keep their taxes low, and are paying huge amounts for their healthcare insurance, more than many people recieve on SS monthly. Plus paying deductibles and co-pays. They also inherited some money, had their college educations paid for by their parents, as many people in their community did. So there will be a class of people who will vote GOP no matter what. They don't care about social issues, because they aren't involved in anything controlled by government except taxes.
panader0
(25,816 posts)but more than that for beer.....
WebZines
(4 posts)Pay $3 For Dinner with Obama
The Obama campaign has been offering donors of $5 or more a chance to win a dinner with the president. But today, the campaign sent supporters a message from First Lady Michele Obama lowering the price to donations of $3 or more.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-campaign-lowers-entry-cost-contest-awarding-dinner-204503626.html
renate
(13,776 posts)(I don't know how he got on the mailing list, by the way, nor on such an exclusive one.)
The letter says, "The maximum personal contribution is $75,800, which I know is a significant request." DO YOU THINK SO, MITT? I guess this isn't the letter that the 0.01% get, since to them $75K wouldn't be a "significant request," but still,
Mitt does say a little further down in the letter that "Your contribution of $1,000, $2,000, $5,000, $10,000, $25,000 or even $50,000 will help our entire Republican ticket this fall." So even spare change is welcome, I guess.
A request for $3 vs. a request for $1,000 to $75,800... kind of points out the differences between the parties, doesn't it?
Welcome to DU!
former9thward
(31,974 posts)The maximum legal donation from an individual to an official campaign organization is $2500. It would not matter if it was Obama or Romney asking.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)the homeless numbers would go through the roof.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)And for the reason you stated- the majority of people in Congress and the WH are trying to push Republican "solutions" at problems caused by Republican "ideals."
The funny thing is that as there are more people on the streets and dying for the betterment of "The Market," those people will actually disappear. Become invisible, irrelevant, the perpetual source of blame as to why things aren't working.
*Shrugs* Humankind slouching its way to Hell.
TBF
(32,047 posts)they get grain-free food (they are large dogs) and bully sticks for treats. Sometimes it comes out less when I buy the bigger bags of food/treats but that is about what it costs per month.
I know seniors don't eat the quantity that we do at younger ages but you'd think they'd be allowed more than just soup.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)broadcaster75201
(387 posts)there would be no modern GOP. They are the ONLY group that even make the Nov election competitive. There would be no Tea Party, no Fox "News", none of it but for this group.
grilled onions
(1,957 posts)Many of these seniors had a rough life. Many did not reap a huge inheritance. They may have had jobs that did not pay well, did not have benefits like pensions. Many may have had parents to care for ,as well, at a time when their parents had no income at all. There may have been layoffs,caring for family members with health problems when no one had disability coverage. As with many families some may have had offspring who ended up in trouble,taking advantage of their parents or constantly bailing them out of jail. Adults of that generation are exceptionally proud and do not always complain to others. Another obvious issue is the fact that many of these women never worked. WOmen stayed home and raised their kids. They did not learn skills outside of child rearing. Many became sitters but often did not even get paid for that. By the time they became widowed or having to deal with a sick spouse it was too late for them to try and get a skill that is IF they had the health,themselves to go fight in a workforce they never had to when they were young.
Many of these seniors did not have the luxury of having a huge savings. I never met any who spent money like it was water. They came from the generation of the Great Depression. They started with little. If they were kids at the time they grew up without many toys or trips to the movies. Thrift was in their spirit. I visited many of that generation when I was a kid. They were relatives,they were neighbors. Their homes(sometimes little more then an attic flat or basement ) was sparse. They got by with little and if they had it to save they would have. When I hear from the 1% about "them" not saving, all the while the $$$ group wear their fancy designer clothes,have several homes,multiple vehicles at each resident etc I wonder how long they would be willing to live in an attic flat in a Chicago summer without even a fan to cool them off?
It is beyond a disgrace to have such a population being cast off like they are taking away money and space from the 1%. This was(and still is) the generation that teaches their hard earned lessons to younger generations. They have love,compassion and they also have feelings. They must wonder what they have done wrong. They raised their families.Tended their gardens. Worked at the church bazaars. Helped out at the PTA. Now society has turned on them. They have blamed them for taking up space and money that could be used for "others". They can't walk fast enough. Can't think clearly enough(all the time). For this they should be punished/ignored. How awful that some of our younger generation feel this way and some of the not so young generation. Many of our politicians are not that young. They just have enough money,pension,real estate to be smug and secure knowing no one will be able to evict them nor can insurance reject their care because they have the best without ever worrying about pre existing conditions or doughnuts holes.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Too late to welcome you to DU but welcome nonetheless.....
Cleita
(75,480 posts)The good news is that it keeps me on a perpetual diet and I now weigh what I did when I was eighteen.
dsteve01
(312 posts)maybe now we can call upon "Death-panels" in congress?
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)RepublicansRZombies
(982 posts)We are at a point in human history where technology has made the basics for survival so simple. We should be well beyond the point where people are just struggling to eat and have a place to sleep.
How, with so much technology, did we go so far backwards?
I know we have sociopaths leading the nation, but what does it say about us, when we allow the least among us to be treated like this, to be bullied by the 1%ers, to have their homes stolen, only $5 per day to eat.
Bullies and Sociopaths will always be among us, attempting to steal it all and control us all....when did we collectively stop standing up to these bullies?
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)It will be worse.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)Growing old was a poor lifestyle choice that they should take responsibility for, don't you think?
for the irony challenged. I expect to be that woman in the wheelchair in a few more years.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)And it all came tumbling down... went on disability, etc. etc. etc. She was saving, and doing the right thing. But the insurance company decided that viral pneumonia (near fatal) was a "pre existing condition" because she had asthma, and she was left with 100k in bills, and then no job... boom.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Hatchling
(2,323 posts)But I would really love to have that much money to spend on food. Most of my money goes to rent, utilities and meds. About $65 goes for coffee, cleaning supplies plus toilet paper and cat litter and cat food (I know, but I had the cats before I became so poor and they are old and no way to adopt out such old kitties.). That literally leaves me $13 per month that I spend to buy cheap protein, usually chicken leg quarters which is typically on sale for about $7 for 10 lbs and any other kind of meat that I can find that is cheap or peanut butter.
The rest I get from food banks which is typically starchy boxes of prepared rice or mac & cheese, some canned vegetables, soups, one can of tuna or chicken and lots of day old bread.. And there is one place that gives out fresh vegetable and fruit.
And I collect bottles and cans on my daily walk which can give me as much as $15 more a month
But I get enough to eat, even if it isn't as healthy as I would like.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)and getting them some vet care from animal charities. I know there are some local ones that do it in my area.
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)This is shameful! For those on this thread that think someone might take her in, a relative or something like that, well maybe she has no one!
& recommend!!
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)99%.
dimbear
(6,271 posts)Many oldsters don't have that luxury. Also I'm trying to lose some weight.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)cause by all these heartless wingnuts refusing to admit they always were WRONG and still are on the climate debacle.
I squarely blame them they should be ashamed of themselves
aquart
(69,014 posts)You can cook very presentable meals from scratch with very little money, but older people are frequently forced to buy prepared foods because they haven't the strength or mobility to cook. Even a small bottle of Ensure would bust that budget.
Also, older people won't be able to shop sales the way someone younger can.
xchrom
(108,903 posts)NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)One large sandwich meal for me and a Mcdouble for my wife. We shared my fries and drink. Bill came to just short of $9 dollars! I couldn't believe it.
Don
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)Two loves Meyers Italian seedless bread ($4), Creamy peanut butter (food pantry), Polaner Orange marmalade (large jar) $2.89 Shop Rite. Three sandwiches a day, three bottles Lipton diet green tea, $1.50 (12 pack for $5.99). That's my lunch every day every week. Some weeks I get Strawberry preserves on sale, but the bread, tea and peanut butter remains the same. Once in a while I get a Three Musketeers bar. I can't do Subway or Chinese, or any other fast food.
It sucks.
When you are poor, your choices are prohibitive. Buying fruit and vegetables are out of the question. Food pantry canned goods are the only other choice.