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FourScore

(9,704 posts)
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 11:50 AM Aug 2012

WOW!!! Soledad Squashes Mitt's Spokesman (Sununu) Re: Medicare Claims

Tue Aug 14, 2012 at 08:10 AM PDT
New Romney claim: Mitt's Medicare plan is 'very different' than Ryan's
by Jed Lewison



CNN's Soledad O'Brien did a great job in her interview with Mitt Romney surrogate John Sununu this morning, in the process giving us a glimpse at just how uncomfortable Romney's campaign must be now that they have to defend the Romney-Ryan plan to end Medicare. Sununu spent much of the interview badgering O'Brien, accusing her of being a tool of the Obama campaign, but when she fought back—with facts, not insults—the only thing Sununu could do was claim that Ryan's Medicare plan is "very different" the Romney plan.

But despite his claim, the only difference cited by Sununu wasn't actually part of the Medicare plan. He said that unlike Ryan's budget plan, Romney would repeal Medicare savings signed into law by President Obama. But those savings are actually a good thing; they lower the cost of Medicare without touching benefits. And the only reason they aren't in the Romney budget plan is that Romney's budget plan has almost no details.

So, despite Sununu's claim, there is really basically no difference between what Ryan and Romney are proposing for the future of Medicare. The fact that Sununu would nonetheless claim that the plans are "very different" tells you everything you need to know about how afraid Republicans are of defending the Romney-Ryan plan on its merits.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/14/1119989/-New-Romney-claim-Mitt-s-Medicare-plan-is-very-different-than-Ryan-s
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WOW!!! Soledad Squashes Mitt's Spokesman (Sununu) Re: Medicare Claims (Original Post) FourScore Aug 2012 OP
Nice to see someone on CNN standing up for the truth. RedStateLiberal Aug 2012 #1
He is like herpes... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #15
I hope she has the backing of CNN, as these big boys can make life rough for her. Frustratedlady Aug 2012 #2
CNN--Certainly NOT News lastlib Aug 2012 #4
CNN Plucketeer Aug 2012 #28
I stopped watching 10 years Cha Aug 2012 #58
I only watch when someone posts a clip here. Plucketeer Aug 2012 #88
Anderson Cooper is also not a right-wing tool. KaryninMiami Aug 2012 #55
Cooper lost me with his 'both sides do it' shit. Whisp Aug 2012 #61
Nothing gets on air the big wigs don't approve of. They want us debating this crap Dustlawyer Aug 2012 #96
That's just it: If you don't share someone's agenda, you MUST be an enemy. lightcameron Aug 2012 #120
I only watch CNN. Fox and MSNBC are over-the-top in their advocacy "journalism." lightcameron Aug 2012 #79
That's nice. whathehell Aug 2012 #83
They're hated by the hyper-partisan Fox viewers and the hyper-partisan MSNBC viewers. lightcameron Aug 2012 #109
Sorry, but I'm not convinced, and I believe whathehell Aug 2012 #115
I have no doubt that most here won't agree. lightcameron Aug 2012 #119
Anyone who watched the Candy Crowley, groupie like coverage of W in 2000 karynnj Aug 2012 #121
Yes, I remember that well. whathehell Aug 2012 #129
The green tea was interesting - as she got it completely wrong, per the restaurant karynnj Aug 2012 #138
Yes, yes and yes! whathehell Aug 2012 #139
That's how you saw it. RWNJ's saw it another way. lightcameron Aug 2012 #132
Correct, but when you understand that virtually ALL cable & network news whathehell Aug 2012 #122
Now you're getting it. "there are no "purely" objective human beings" lightcameron Aug 2012 #131
I "got it" long ago, bro. whathehell Aug 2012 #137
are you kidding? Skittles Aug 2012 #85
I guess if you put "THINKING" in all caps, it must mean you're correct! lightcameron Aug 2012 #110
Wow. You really that? Atman Aug 2012 #87
Alex Wagner leans right? Three of the four hosts of "The Cycle" lean right? lightcameron Aug 2012 #111
My point remains...how much liberal content does Fox airs compared to MSNBC? Atman Aug 2012 #114
Martin Bashir "leans more towards news than the straight liberal commentary"? lightcameron Aug 2012 #118
anyone who watches cnn and thinks they're getting 'unvarnished' news..... spanone Aug 2012 #126
No such thing. It's just that the Fox and MSNBC devotees act as though lightcameron Aug 2012 #133
Why bother with blowhards like this? rfranklin Aug 2012 #3
Because that's all the republicans have! WinstonSmith4740 Aug 2012 #74
Gawd. Does that P.O.S. even hear himself?? BlueCaliDem Aug 2012 #5
SHRILL Ugly Old Man Iggy Aug 2012 #106
I believe you're correct. The shriller the GOP surrogates become BlueCaliDem Aug 2012 #117
Congress? Iggy Aug 2012 #127
Unless the American people really are a bunch of processed-foods polluted dumbbells BlueCaliDem Aug 2012 #130
Wishful Thinking Iggy Aug 2012 #136
Yes he is... whathehell Aug 2012 #128
Sununu is not Cuban Bohunk68 Aug 2012 #108
John E. Sununu was born in Havanna, Cuba, July 2, 1939 BlueCaliDem Aug 2012 #116
thanks for the correction. Bohunk68 Aug 2012 #134
You're welcome. :-) BlueCaliDem Aug 2012 #135
I do not mean DSL. Bohunk68 Aug 2012 #140
Sununu isn't doing this for free, I wonder how much he's getting for this? Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #6
5 cents per post? Not! ayak9 Aug 2012 #27
But on FOX... railsback Aug 2012 #7
The Rmoney xxqqqzme Aug 2012 #25
Yeah, it's red meat to the base nxylas Aug 2012 #39
Sununu sounds like Donald Trump. Ignorant! The guy has no substance. lumpy Aug 2012 #8
It would GallopingGhost Aug 2012 #9
Soledad was one of the finalists to moderate the debates but she rejected. jillan Aug 2012 #10
WTF? Really...? PCIntern Aug 2012 #12
Oops - my bad - she was offered but rejected.... jillan Aug 2012 #48
The Romney/Ryan message on healthcare is totally incoherent. reformist2 Aug 2012 #11
There was a story yesterday showing O'Brien reading TPM and the right wing crazies winstars Aug 2012 #13
Chris mathews did basically the same thing byoung6 Aug 2012 #14
I switched channels as soon as that hedgehog's mug appeared on Hardball yesterday. stopbush Aug 2012 #22
But you missed the fact that Tweety completely talked all over him BumRushDaShow Aug 2012 #30
I saw that and PatSeg Aug 2012 #33
It's like his swan song BumRushDaShow Aug 2012 #37
Its hard to believe he ever got elected for anything PatSeg Aug 2012 #43
Excellent job by Soledad. The facts were on her side, and that condescending fool tried to distract spooky3 Aug 2012 #16
She doesn't "squash" him garthranzz Aug 2012 #17
Blowhard evilhime Aug 2012 #18
that tactic works with conservative voters Skittles Aug 2012 #84
Sununu makes me sick. TheCowsCameHome Aug 2012 #19
He called her a tool? xxqqqzme Aug 2012 #20
She gets to the truth...One smart lady! K&R DianaForRussFeingold Aug 2012 #21
God, she took a massive dump in his mouth and made him eat it AngryAmish Aug 2012 #23
Facts don't matter Vietnameravet Aug 2012 #24
Sununu reminds me of that oil company shill that ran out in Washington State. He was on Rachel.... Scuba Aug 2012 #26
OK... I haven't watched CNN for a long time... blaze Aug 2012 #29
Awesomeness Lyndsay Aug 2012 #31
Sununu is one of the worst spokespeople any poltician could have aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2012 #32
Like Priebus and other republicans, Sununu makes me physically ill. mwb970 Aug 2012 #104
Soledad rocked! nt avebury Aug 2012 #34
Is Sununu still around? KansDem Aug 2012 #35
More like what comes after the bad farts Hubert Flottz Aug 2012 #41
"A fart is just a turd honking for the right-of-way." KansDem Aug 2012 #47
"A fart is just a turd honking for the right-of-way." Kennah Aug 2012 #102
If rMoney had his package on the table, it needs to be wiped down with bleach. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #36
Sununu is even dumber now than he was when I lived in NH. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #38
Or did Sununu squash O'Brien? jade3000 Aug 2012 #40
You have to look to the video title and the user of the video downloader Catherine Vincent Aug 2012 #44
Yes, they were Sununu/Romney supporters jade3000 Aug 2012 #124
Yeah, that's what liberals REALLY want -- a conservative to interview him after Soledad. FourScore Aug 2012 #50
Joined DU this year and I like it jade3000 Aug 2012 #125
Nah, Soledad's points were almost all neutral DireStrike Aug 2012 #65
I looked aroung YouTube and found a bus depot of popular opinion underpants Aug 2012 #92
yeah??? heaven05 Aug 2012 #113
Will she lose her job over this? I mean, corporate spokes/news models are not supposed AllyCat Aug 2012 #42
Soledad was magnificent. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #45
Sununu is such an a*%...I can't believe he still gets any airtime... Sancho Aug 2012 #46
I need to start watching her more. That is exactly how an interview should be done. jillan Aug 2012 #49
It's soooooo hard to argue with A-holes like this but she did a great job.... Harriety Aug 2012 #51
I watch CNN when she is on riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #52
I love Sununununu... ryan_cats Aug 2012 #53
He was on a show on MSNBC a couple of days ago and he looked strange. whathehell Aug 2012 #89
She fucking rocks! lonestarnot Aug 2012 #54
He needs to go back to turd polishing school rurallib Aug 2012 #56
Old Dude will not shut up BrainMann1 Aug 2012 #57
I was going to write... jonthebru Aug 2012 #59
PROUD to be the 100th Rec. nt PCIntern Aug 2012 #60
Yeah I just happened to catch that this morning DireStrike Aug 2012 #62
Don't ya wonder how much ... bayareaboy Aug 2012 #63
Can you imagine? slutticus Aug 2012 #64
She kicked his stupid ASS!!!! JoePhilly Aug 2012 #66
both of the sununu's are pretty fucking despicable surrogates..... spanone Aug 2012 #67
sununu is annoying Shankapotomus Aug 2012 #68
VIVA SOLEDAD! Brave and valiant lady. trof Aug 2012 #69
Well done Soledad proud patriot Aug 2012 #70
Sununu is the worst person to put on tv, he looks and talks nuts. Jennicut Aug 2012 #71
My respect for that woman just jumped about 100 points, its a shame more don't follow her lead 1-Old-Man Aug 2012 #72
Good job, Soledad!!! pacalo Aug 2012 #73
re:WOW!!! Soledad Squashes Mitt's Spokesman (Sununu) Re: Medicare Claims allan01 Aug 2012 #75
Sununu: What a f*cking obnoxious asshole ProfessionalLeftist Aug 2012 #76
This is the same John Sununu Mutt22 Aug 2012 #77
Geez, Soledad did a great job. Sununu looked like a bumbling baffoon. nt valerief Aug 2012 #78
He was also on Andrea Mitchell MSNBC today julian09 Aug 2012 #80
Soledad O'Brien Caught Reading Liberal Blog During Heated Debate With Romney Adviser Zax2me Aug 2012 #81
i heard that..yup..she sliced and diced johnny boy... madrchsod Aug 2012 #82
Not surprisingly, FOX NATION is running the same clip with the title "Romney Guy CRUSHES CNN Anchor. TrollBuster9090 Aug 2012 #86
Soledad did great. zentrum Aug 2012 #90
Such an ugly scene Flatpicker Aug 2012 #91
Hold it! Romeny has had his "package" "on the table" for 6 months? underpants Aug 2012 #93
I really hope I never have to see what you have seen. Bjorn Against Aug 2012 #97
Ever since they resurrected this toad I keep looking over my back for Murphy Brown reruns n/t. Kencorburn Aug 2012 #94
When Soledad said "...Republican talking point..." BootinUp Aug 2012 #95
She was awesome! Loved it. n/t Care Acutely Aug 2012 #98
I Saw It As It Happened BrooklynBoy Aug 2012 #99
They trotted out both of their bus eaters in one day, Christy and Sununu. lonestarnot Aug 2012 #100
Dang! I wanna have her baby! Fridays Child Aug 2012 #101
What a fucking tool davidpdx Aug 2012 #103
Sununu = WORSE Than Krauthammer (Dr Strangelove) Iggy Aug 2012 #105
Sununu 90-percent Aug 2012 #107
watch out heaven05 Aug 2012 #112
Sununu is a nasty, unpleasant little man Marrah_G Aug 2012 #123

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
2. I hope she has the backing of CNN, as these big boys can make life rough for her.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 11:57 AM
Aug 2012

She doesn't back down from them and comes prepared to take them down, where necessary. I wish she would move to MSNBC so I didn't have to go to CNN. I gave up on them a couple years ago.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
88. I only watch when someone posts a clip here.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 09:55 PM
Aug 2012

Hell, I wasn't even aware Soledad was on CNN. Too bad, cause if she really calls em out like in this clip, she should be somewhere else.

KaryninMiami

(3,073 posts)
55. Anderson Cooper is also not a right-wing tool.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 03:26 PM
Aug 2012

He's often on the left side of the aisle - and even more importantly- also often-- investigates the news- with no agenda except doing his job. What a concept...

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
61. Cooper lost me with his 'both sides do it' shit.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 04:51 PM
Aug 2012

he's have some awful and regular Repug story and ends up saying' well, the Dems do it too!' but does not give examples.

because there usually aren't any.

He's as much a fool tool as Wolf and the rest. Soledad will probably be losing her job soon as she does not fit in to the Liars' Club there.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
96. Nothing gets on air the big wigs don't approve of. They want us debating this crap
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 11:34 PM
Aug 2012

til we are blue in the face. They scare us enough on the right to feel relief when it does not go, "that far." They gradually have gotten most of what they want. They own most of the pols, Courts, media, everything. Big people do not get prosecuted and yet we have to give up our basic rights (warrantless wiretapping, NSA monitoring EVERYTHING, including this post now that I mentioned them, torture...). Please wake up and understand, most Democratic politicians on the National level are bought just like the Republicans. Do you honestly believe that Democrats have congenital defects in their spine and that is why they cannot show backbone? We got a glimpse today behind the curtain, literally, when Bill "Freakin" Clinton was taped back stage talking to Paul "FU" Ryan and telling him that although they have to fight in the election, they would agree to cut all of the social programs. Ryan agreed and told Clinton to give him a call as he walked on stage. This is like a play put on for us and we are the little kid who thinks this is all real. If the politician does not play ball, they get a well funded opponent in the next primary. If they are honest, they are not allowed to stay. It is now to the point that billionaires are picking the VP running mate for the Repug Pres candidate. The Koch suckers told Romney his VP was Ryan, check it out! If we cannot acknowledge the real problem, that our government suffers from a fatal dose of corruption, we will never solve anything and we will continue to slide ever faster to extinction! We need real and complete campaign finance reform and the only way to get it is for enough people to recognize that most of our problems stem from from this legalized (and sometimes not so legal) bribery (campaign contributions) and intimidation.

lightcameron

(224 posts)
120. That's just it: If you don't share someone's agenda, you MUST be an enemy.
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 04:12 PM
Aug 2012

That's pretty much how the cable news discussion goes.

So while he's reporting news about both sides, the partisan viewers can hate him one day, love him the next, etc. But they always know where to get the things they want to hear -- Fox or MSNBC, respectively. For the life of me, I don't know why any viewer is content with being fed news they KNOW is spun to fit their interest. Bizarre.

lightcameron

(224 posts)
79. I only watch CNN. Fox and MSNBC are over-the-top in their advocacy "journalism."
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 07:55 PM
Aug 2012

It's sad that anyone who watches those two channels thinks they're getting unvarnished news.

lightcameron

(224 posts)
109. They're hated by the hyper-partisan Fox viewers and the hyper-partisan MSNBC viewers.
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 10:00 AM
Aug 2012

Which means they're hated by each party's extreme partisans.

That says a lot.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
115. Sorry, but I'm not convinced, and I believe
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 11:08 AM
Aug 2012

you'll have a difficult time persuading most here, although I think most

will admit they're less to the right than FOX, which is why you have people like Soledad O'Brien.

MSNBC becomes partisan in the evening, but unlike FOX, for instance,

with their "fair and balanced" BS, they cheerfully admit it.

In the daytime, MSNBC is much less so...Tamron Hall and Andrea Mitchell

are not partisan, and one of their new daytime shows,

"The Circle", for instance is co-hosted by admitted conservative, S.E. Cupp.

As for CNN, you must know that Candy Crowley is Republican

as is, I believe, former AIPAC lobbyist, Wolf Blitzer....I'm more confident

of Crowley's leanings, but Blitzer DEFINITELY leans Right.

lightcameron

(224 posts)
119. I have no doubt that most here won't agree.
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 04:09 PM
Aug 2012

The Cycle is hosted by four people. One is a rightie.

I don't watch Mitchell, after seeing her bungle too many stories. She sucks. Don't know much about Tamron Hall.

Blitzer and Crowley are constantly lambasted by right-wingers. Once again, hated by the left, hated by the right, probably in the middle somewhere. I'm not a big fan of either of them, to be frank.

I hate cheerleading masked as news, which is why Fox and MSNBC are so laughable.

As I said in another post, it's no coincidence that right wingers are drawn to Fox and liberals are drawn to MSNBC. If someone can't figure out what that's all about, I'm not sure anything will help.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
121. Anyone who watched the Candy Crowley, groupie like coverage of W in 2000
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 04:24 PM
Aug 2012

then saw her AWFUL coverage of John Kerry in 2004 would know that she is both Republican and unable to hide her affiliation. Blitzer was a neocon and was joyful when his buddy Cheney became the VP in 2000.

I would love to have a more objective less partisan media, but it seems that the business models on cable lead to most people being one side of the other. This has aggravated the partisanness of the country.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
129. Yes, I remember that well.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:23 AM
Aug 2012

She, like the other repukes, made a big deal of Kerry's supposed "elitism"

reflected, in their view, by things like ordering green tea in a restaurant

and windsurfing, but are now strangely silent on Mitt's "dressage" horse

and car elevator....The hypocrisy couldn't be clearer.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
138. The green tea was interesting - as she got it completely wrong, per the restaurant
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:19 AM
Aug 2012

Kerry had been there before and he asked for green tea, which was on the menu. The waitress asked if Lipton (and yes Lipton has green tea) was ok. Kerry said yes - and was brought Lipton green tea.

What this indicates is elitism - on Crowley's part - thinking a provincial town in Iowa could not have green tea - much too sophisticted for them! Even if the story were what Crowley thought it was - Kerry asked and then politely accepted what was offered. There is still no story here.

Not to mention, Crowley told this story from the primaries after Kerry lost as an explanation of why he lost. But, the fact is that the facts do not support that. Kerry won Iowa because people did connect with him when he met them in small groups. As to the various wiatresses and other service people he met, Kerry easily won a poll of people in these professions that was done for decades during the primaries. He was polite, respectful and interested in what they had to say. (Not to mention, he would never have had the poor taste to pull the Romney trick of reacting as if one of them had touched him.)

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
139. Yes, yes and yes!
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 12:10 PM
Aug 2012

I didn't know about her getting it wrong, but I remember thinking what a petty and

lame example of "elitism" it was...I never watch her anymore, but I'd LOVE

to hear how she describes Mitt, who clearly, is not only "elitist", but down right

RUDE, as his insult to the cookies the hosts from Pittsburgh served him showed.

Since then, it's become clear, that he can't open his mouth without insulting someone.

I honestly think there's something psychologically "off", about him that goes beyond the usual explanations

of "money and privilege", but I guess that's another conversation.

Thanks for that information about Kerry and Crowley. Her absolute partisanship

became clear to me a few months ago, when she opened her show with some

discussion on "entitlements" and with it, described Social Security and Medicare

as "popular but unsustainable programs"...She didn't question it's "sustainability"

She stated it's non-sustainability as FACT...She may have thought that delivering that "pronouncement"

quickly and with a broad smile as she did , would take the edge off its partisan arrogance, but it

didn't work on this viewer, and I doubt it worked on others. I stopped watching her

after that, and only tuned in last week because she was interviewing David Axelrod,

who handled her well, even calling her out for showing him PART of a poll, but not all.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
122. Correct, but when you understand that virtually ALL cable & network news
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 06:58 PM
Aug 2012

including CSPAN, is corporate-owned, and therefor "right leaning, you are on your way to understanding that there is NO truly unbiased

corporate owned news in the nation...It's one of the reasons the Internet is so heavily "prized"

by those seeking corporate-free news.

You say that you think Blitzer and Crowley are "in the middle somewhere"

and that MIGHT be true when if you realize that what's considered the "middle" now,

was "Right" not long ago, and what is "Right" is now ""Fascist to Nazi".

I don't know how old you are, but anyone over the age of forty five or fifty

can tell you how FAR to the Right this country has gone and in not that long a time.

As Libertarian Bill Maher put it: "The Democrats have moved to the Right and

the Right has moved to the Mental Hospital". If you're too young to remember

any president before Clinton, or even Reagan, you may have a hard time realizing what

real Democratic policy looked like.


As to the news, you may "hate cheer leading masked as news", but if you didn't start watching the news

until AFTER the 1980's, it's unlikely you would RECOGNIZE it if you saw it.

I would suggest you research something called The Fairness Doctrine...It was law in this country

from about 1936 until about the middle 1980's during the Reagan Administration.

That was probably the last time you could get reasonably close to "real" or "objective"

news, although as anyone who's been to college or has studied media will know,

there is really no "purely" objective political news because there are no "purely" objective human beings.

We all have biases -- All of us.

MSNBC is something of an exception, and that's only because the station, as a profit-driven entity,

just wanted to tap the "untapped" left-leaning market, but even their anchors aren't permitted

to discuss "everything".


lightcameron

(224 posts)
131. Now you're getting it. "there are no "purely" objective human beings"
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:01 AM
Aug 2012

Very true.

And that includes viewers.

One aspect of the media bias discussion that is all too easily forgotten is that you have to factor in the bias of the viewer as well. To someone far right like Newt Gingrich, Anderson Cooper looks like a liberal. To someone far left like Katrina vanden Heuvel, Anderson Cooper looks like a right-wing tool. So...who's correct? (Leaving aside for the moment that the two people in my example are perpetually angry and miserable.) And, by the way, the bias of the consumer/viewer is what made the Fairness Doctrine such a bad idea.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
137. I "got it" long ago, bro.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:26 PM
Aug 2012

It's you I'm unsure of.

Let's get this straight: You don't like "biased" news, but you thought

the Fairness Doctrine was a "bad idea".

How then, would you propose we "improve" the situation?

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
85. are you kidding?
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 09:17 PM
Aug 2012

CNN very often emulates FOX news in its quest for the idiot viewer - they are alienating a lot of us THINKING viewers

Atman

(31,464 posts)
87. Wow. You really that?
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 09:38 PM
Aug 2012

CNN is leans very far right, after a concerted effort to emulate Fox in an attempt to staunch their hemmoraging ratings. After that strategy only made things worse, they decided to reformat their mornings to compete with F&F and Joe -- enter Soledad OBrien. She is good, her new show is probably the only watchable thing on CNN. But CNN is still right-wing.

Fox is a purely, unabashedly, 100% partner in the Republican party.

MSNBC is NOT just a left-wing Fox. MSNBC devotes all morning and most of it daytime to righties. A small peppering of liberal politics is allowed, but it's otherwise right-wing until Al Sharpton begins their prime-time liberal-leaning shows (No, that doesn't start with Chris Matthews; he leans toward whichever party is in the White House.

Can you name any 6-hour portion of Fox's programming devoted to liberal politics? Of course not. Obviously, by any objective measure, MSNBC is far more "Fair and balanced" than Fox has ever been.

lightcameron

(224 posts)
111. Alex Wagner leans right? Three of the four hosts of "The Cycle" lean right?
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 10:07 AM
Aug 2012

Martin Bashir leans right? I don't know who else they have on in the afternoons, but I've dipped in and viewed enough to know the answer to those questions. As an avid viewer, I'm sure you do too.

I don't think MSNBC has anyone as annoying as Bill O'Reilly, so Fox takes the lead there. But the two channels clearly are designed to appeal to the two different ideological bases.

I think MSNBC probably has gone up a notch or two, after sending Olbermann to Current, who set him up for his new job of arguing with people on Twitter.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
114. My point remains...how much liberal content does Fox airs compared to MSNBC?
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 10:45 AM
Aug 2012

I had forgotten about Alex Wagner, as she's still pretty new -- and she does have the heinous C Cupp on. I think Martin Bashir's show is excellent, and actually feel that it leans more towards news than the straight liberal commentary like the evening shows. However, there is no denying the total Republican tilt in the mornings. Remember under GWB when Joe used to claim was an Independent? Lot's of people disavowed their GOP affiliation during and after Bush. But now that Obama is in office, scab wears his affiliation proudly on his sleeve. Chuck Todd occasionally appears to be moderate, but remember where he came from. Then there is Andrea "Greenspan" Mitchell.

It is simple fact...there is no cable news network that offers us such a varied mix of Progressive/Liberal and Republican shows. None. And that is why I think MSNBC gets a bad rap. It would be better, perhaps, if they didn't segregate the two points of view based into day and evening, but I am sure they would lose substantial viewership that way. After all, liberals will watch Morning Joe even as they hate him, just to watch the trains wrecks, and to keep up on opposing views. No Republican would ever watch a minute of Rachel Maddow or The Ed Show.

.

lightcameron

(224 posts)
118. Martin Bashir "leans more towards news than the straight liberal commentary"?
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 04:03 PM
Aug 2012

Maybe when he was on Nightline, he did. But not now.

I don't watch TV in the mornings, but I don't doubt that JS's show doesn't lean left.

My point is, there's no way it's just a coincidence that righties gravitate towards FOX, liberals are drawn to MSNBC, and the hardcore of each base despises CNN.

lightcameron

(224 posts)
133. No such thing. It's just that the Fox and MSNBC devotees act as though
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:04 AM
Aug 2012

that's what they're getting, when in fact they're getting the most spin from each side, respectively.

But, hey, they're searching for "news" they WANT to hear.

 

rfranklin

(13,200 posts)
3. Why bother with blowhards like this?
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:00 PM
Aug 2012

They lie, the scream, they whine and obfuscate. (Then again, it is show business.)

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
74. Because that's all the republicans have!
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 06:55 PM
Aug 2012

Blowhards and liars. I remember years ago, when Sununu was considered the scientific genius in either the Reagan or Bush administration, he announced he was going to write a computer program to prove that global warming was a myth. It was pointed out rather politely by more than one scientist that the scientific method doesn't START with your conclusion. He is, and always has been, a royal pain in the ass.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
5. Gawd. Does that P.O.S. even hear himself??
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:12 PM
Aug 2012

Why in the heck does anyone have that lying sack O.S. on? He stands by his lies, regurgitated to him by the wordsmiths from Frank Luntz, and then he gets upset when reporters don't believe his lies.

Can we send Sununu back to Cuba where people have to believe the lies of the authorities or else! Because it's not going to wash here.

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
106. SHRILL Ugly Old Man
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 07:28 AM
Aug 2012

sorry to be that way, but if this is all the GOP has... again, Obama/Biden are
ensured victory this fall

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
117. I believe you're correct. The shriller the GOP surrogates become
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 01:05 PM
Aug 2012

the more it tells me they know they're going to lose this November 6th.

I hope, sincerely hope, that Americans will return power back to the Democrats in Congress, and IF Harry Reid is still Majority Leader in the Senate, that they do away with the filibuster just as the House had done. Otherwise, it'll be more of he same and America cannot move forward.

Let's hope Americans (specifically the Liberal Left and centrist Independents) will stop supporting the GOP either by not voting Democrat, voting 3rd Party, or directly voting for the Party of NO.

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
127. Congress?
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 10:41 PM
Aug 2012

let's hope the Dems can hold on to the Senate.

keep in mind Dem governors were kicked out of office in several states in 2010... the anti
Dem sentiment appears to be strong..

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
130. Unless the American people really are a bunch of processed-foods polluted dumbbells
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 11:00 AM
Aug 2012

the Democrats should win back both the House and keep the Senate.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
128. Yes he is...
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 02:19 AM
Aug 2012

Sununu is fat and ugly...He was even fairly ugly when he was younger

and now that he's getting older, those little pig eyes are getting

even smaller, and their buried in what appears to be a face that's

mostly formless fat with a weird flap of hair on top.

I usually don't comment on people's appearance, so I guess I should feel guilty about

saying that, but since he's actually done pretty well for himself

In addition to being ugly on the INSIDE as well as the outside

I don't really care.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
108. Sununu is not Cuban
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 07:46 AM
Aug 2012

He is of Lebanese extraction. As far as his religious beliefs? I don't know for sure, but I think he is of Druze descent. If we send him anywhere, it would be Beirut.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
116. John E. Sununu was born in Havanna, Cuba, July 2, 1939
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 01:02 PM
Aug 2012
Sununu was born in Havana, Cuba, the son of Victoria (née Dada) and John Saleh Sununu, an international film distributor of Palestinian descent [2][1] who belonged to the Greek Orthodox Church of Jerusalem [3]. His father grew up in the Ottoman Empire's Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem in Palestine and his mother was born in San Salvador, El Salvador, as part of the mass exodus of Ottoman subjects seeking a better life abroad.[2][3] He is a Maronite Catholic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_H._Sununu


I maintain that we send him back to Cuba OR to El Salvador where his mother's from OR Palestine. Anywhere but here. It's apparent he's more favorable toward dictatorships rather than democracy.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
134. thanks for the correction.
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:03 PM
Aug 2012

that's what happens when one is on dialup and trying to recall from memory. Although, I had thought that he was Lebanese, not Palestinian. Hmmmm. But anyhow, thanks a bunch.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
135. You're welcome. :-)
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 12:21 PM
Aug 2012

Dial-up still exists? You mean, DSL cable?

Anyway, your heart is in the correct place since you only wanted to help. And that's a good thing.

Bohunk68

(1,364 posts)
140. I do not mean DSL.
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 03:32 PM
Aug 2012

I truly mean dialup, like what everyone had 20 years ago? The FIOS is one house away and Verizon wants $2400 PLUS 25 houses more within one quarter mile. I live on a country road, there might, just might be that many more houses down the way.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
6. Sununu isn't doing this for free, I wonder how much he's getting for this?
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:17 PM
Aug 2012

Does he get paid by Rmoney by the word, the appearance, how many lies he gets out in the time allotted?


No one works for free in their world.

 

ayak9

(44 posts)
27. 5 cents per post? Not!
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:00 PM
Aug 2012

I'm sure he gets significantly more than the hordes of paid trolls around here. With all that Koch money, the Pukes will probably try to buy scads of votes from struggling low-information "peons". See, trickle down works.

 

railsback

(1,881 posts)
7. But on FOX...
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:24 PM
Aug 2012

its 'Sununu Obliterates Liberal!'.

I don't know why the Romney campaign keeps throwing Sununu, of all people, to the stations NOT FOX. If you're trying to win over moderates and independents, you don't send out a psychotic asshat as your spokesman.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
25. The Rmoney
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:57 PM
Aug 2012

campaign does. It is what they do best. I thought the mclame campaign was shoddy and inept....not even close to this one. They are relying on a ton money to do all the work.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
39. Yeah, it's red meat to the base
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:40 PM
Aug 2012

The people who believe that any news source outside the RW echo chamber is just propaganda for "them" will lap this shit up.

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
8. Sununu sounds like Donald Trump. Ignorant! The guy has no substance.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:28 PM
Aug 2012

Soledad, bless her heart, hit him right in the nards.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
48. Oops - my bad - she was offered but rejected....
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:35 PM
Aug 2012

Politico reported that CNN's Soledad O'Brien was considered by the CPD, but rejected. It's unclear whether other prominent journalists of color in the industry -- NBC's Lester Holt or Ann Curry, for instance, or Univision's Jorge Ramos -- were considered. Nor, of course, did the CPD reach beyond the television world.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/14/presidential-debate-moderators-white-diversity_n_1775147.html

i'll go fix that now....

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
11. The Romney/Ryan message on healthcare is totally incoherent.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:30 PM
Aug 2012

I have no idea what plan they stand for, what plan they are proposing. Until they come out clearly for something, we should feel free to bash all their plans.

winstars

(4,220 posts)
13. There was a story yesterday showing O'Brien reading TPM and the right wing crazies
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:33 PM
Aug 2012

freaking out that she was reading a "far left website"...

Always thought she was too false equivalency like AC but maybe she has seen the light...

byoung6

(47 posts)
14. Chris mathews did basically the same thing
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:34 PM
Aug 2012

Last nite but Soledad did it more thoroughly and with alot more style. Sununu is a mean, blowveating ,piece of corrupt old crap. Great post thank you!

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
22. I switched channels as soon as that hedgehog's mug appeared on Hardball yesterday.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:52 PM
Aug 2012

There are certain RW liars who lie so blatantly and aggressively that I refuse to give them even a second of my life. Sununu is one of them.

BumRushDaShow

(128,899 posts)
30. But you missed the fact that Tweety completely talked all over him
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:04 PM
Aug 2012

so he never really got a word in edgewise the entire segment. It was a thing of beauty.

PatSeg

(47,418 posts)
33. I saw that and
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:15 PM
Aug 2012

I'm amazed that the Romney campaign is allowing this fool to be a spokesperson. He certainly causes more harm than good. On top of a severe fact deficiency, he is rude as hell.

BumRushDaShow

(128,899 posts)
37. It's like his swan song
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:25 PM
Aug 2012

a last gig before he disappears for another decade or so. I wish he'd take the other blowhard - Newt Gingrich - with him too.

PatSeg

(47,418 posts)
43. Its hard to believe he ever got elected for anything
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:02 PM
Aug 2012

Last night I finally had to fast-forward through him. As bad as Gingrich is, at least he's relatively polite and lets other people talk.

spooky3

(34,441 posts)
16. Excellent job by Soledad. The facts were on her side, and that condescending fool tried to distract
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:47 PM
Aug 2012

and insult her but she kept her cool. I think he honestly is too stupid and uninformed to know the facts, and I am not sure whether that is worse than knowing them and lying, then acting like a bully.

It is an incredibly stupid "strategy" to treat good journalists this way. She will not forget it when preparing future stories, and any members of the audience with IQs higher than those of Limbaugh listeners could see exactly what was happening.

garthranzz

(1,330 posts)
17. She doesn't "squash" him
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:49 PM
Aug 2012

unless she has the last word and concludes, with that calm smile,

"thank you for repeating misinformation and distortions and trying to distract the public from the facts."

evilhime

(326 posts)
18. Blowhard
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:49 PM
Aug 2012

What a turd... does he really believe he can just keep repeating this over and over to reporters and get away with it? Wow... his name should be "so what's new new" <sigh>

Skittles

(153,150 posts)
84. that tactic works with conservative voters
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 09:14 PM
Aug 2012

with Democrats and Independents, it makes him look foolish

 

Vietnameravet

(1,085 posts)
24. Facts don't matter
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:55 PM
Aug 2012

Facts don't matter to the hardcore righties..if they did Rush and Glenn and a whole bunch of others would be out of a job..

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
26. Sununu reminds me of that oil company shill that ran out in Washington State. He was on Rachel....
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:59 PM
Aug 2012

... and refused to address the issues, just kept accusing Rachel of being biased.


When your spokesman is Sununu, you've got nothing.

blaze

(6,360 posts)
29. OK... I haven't watched CNN for a long time...
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:03 PM
Aug 2012

But O'Biren had the facts and kept her cool.... Sununu got angry and was blathering.

I rather enjoyed that clip.

Lyndsay

(1 post)
31. Awesomeness
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:09 PM
Aug 2012

I love how she was calm, and collected, and he was a blustering fool. He tried to bully her, which I find very offensive, that a man in a position of power and responsibility in a campaign cannot be respectful, but it worked in her favor. I'm glad Soledad did not let the Romney campaign get away with trying to mislead the public, or flip flop on the details. I love that she's a strong woman.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
32. Sununu is one of the worst spokespeople any poltician could have
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:12 PM
Aug 2012

He's about as far from having sympatico appeal as any human could get. Even forgetting that he delights in telling lies, his delivery is extremely unappealing. How could any poltcian want this person to be the face of their campaign?

mwb970

(11,358 posts)
104. Like Priebus and other republicans, Sununu makes me physically ill.
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 06:04 AM
Aug 2012

He is a total liar and he's bad at it too. He is just repulsive to me. Who would listen to such an unappealing "spokesperson"?

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
41. More like what comes after the bad farts
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:46 PM
Aug 2012

A fart is just a turd honking for the right-of-way.

Sununu sounds like a spoiled 5 year old brat!

Kennah

(14,256 posts)
102. "A fart is just a turd honking for the right-of-way."
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 03:36 AM
Aug 2012

Gawd! Thank you for that laugh. I needed that.

jade3000

(238 posts)
40. Or did Sununu squash O'Brien?
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 01:44 PM
Aug 2012

I searches for this on YouTube and found multiple posts of the interview with most sayin that Sununu owned Soledad O'Brien. The total interview is longer than the above clip. As much as I like her overall, I find that she does a bad job when she's in attack mode, which she clearly is in the full interview. In that mode, the smile is so obviously fake and the idea that she doesn't/isn't taking a particular angle is disingenuous. I'd rather she come strong with a liberal slant and then perhaps give a conservative a chance to interview the guest as well.

Catherine Vincent

(34,489 posts)
44. You have to look to the video title and the user of the video downloader
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:05 PM
Aug 2012

More than likely, they were republican users supporting Sunun and not O'Brien.

jade3000

(238 posts)
124. Yes, they were Sununu/Romney supporters
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 07:20 PM
Aug 2012

I'm just saying there were quite a few and they were enthusiastic (not defensive) about the video. It's all about perception. I think this interview can fire up either base. Of course, it'll probably be forgotten in a week and is way too early in the election cycle to really impact voters anyway.

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
50. Yeah, that's what liberals REALLY want -- a conservative to interview him after Soledad.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:53 PM
Aug 2012

Hmmm...You haven't been around on DU for very long, have you?

jade3000

(238 posts)
125. Joined DU this year and I like it
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 07:23 PM
Aug 2012

This is a good news & discussion site. It's quickly become my favorite.

DireStrike

(6,452 posts)
65. Nah, Soledad's points were almost all neutral
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 05:02 PM
Aug 2012

Pretty much everything she argued over was just numbers and definitions.

underpants

(182,788 posts)
92. I looked aroung YouTube and found a bus depot of popular opinion
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 10:17 PM
Aug 2012

YouTube is reflective of the population to you?

AllyCat

(16,183 posts)
42. Will she lose her job over this? I mean, corporate spokes/news models are not supposed
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:01 PM
Aug 2012

to ask tough questions, just present the unpopular in a popular way. Nice job Ms. O'Brien. Hope you can keep your job.

Harriety

(298 posts)
51. It's soooooo hard to argue with A-holes like this but she did a great job....
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:55 PM
Aug 2012

and I thank her for that. We could only hope that every news source would stick to the facts to refute lies like she did.

riverbendviewgal

(4,252 posts)
52. I watch CNN when she is on
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:57 PM
Aug 2012

She is good. Loved this interview....Sununu looked stymied...She had the bite on him and would not let him go..

ryan_cats

(2,061 posts)
53. I love Sununununu...
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 03:01 PM
Aug 2012

I love Sununu. A long time ago he was on Crossfire with Michael Kinsley. I don't remember how it came up but the discussion was on travel perks and how someone was caught using the perks illegally. Kinsley, with a wry smile said something like, John, you know all about that don't you? Sununu, for the briefest second, looked like he was ready to smack Kinsley, then he just smiled and laughed. The audience loved it and Sununu sat looking steamed.

I miss Michael Kinsley. Didn't he end up with a horrible auto immune disease?

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
89. He was on a show on MSNBC a couple of days ago and he looked strange.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 09:58 PM
Aug 2012

I didn't know he had an auto immune disease, but his face looked slightly

contorted and his back seemed bent over...He looked bad.

BrainMann1

(460 posts)
57. Old Dude will not shut up
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 04:02 PM
Aug 2012

I think he had a brain freeze. He likes interupting,I've seen him on Chris Mathews. I guess he thinks if he keeps you from talking he'll make sense; NOT

jonthebru

(1,034 posts)
59. I was going to write...
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 04:23 PM
Aug 2012

Sununu is beyond help and should go home and tend his flowers, that is, retire. But after further thought, he is frickin' perfect. A henchman at his best. Yelling at her about repeating Democratic talking points while all the while strictly delivering and standing up for the Rmoney perpetrated lies, simply amazing. He's just not very good at it.
We do have a problem, in fact many. But the right are carrying out a smoke screen campaign to steal our country. We all need to pitch in and prevent that from occurring.

slutticus

(3,428 posts)
64. Can you imagine?
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 05:01 PM
Aug 2012

Can you imagine what it would be like if the media actually did it's job consistently (as it did in this case)?

I mean, not just for this stuff, but for everything, especially the lead up to the iraq war. Just imagine....


trof

(54,256 posts)
69. VIVA SOLEDAD! Brave and valiant lady.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 05:55 PM
Aug 2012

Very refreshing.
I would even go so far as to say she follows in the footsteps of Edward R. Murrow and Eric Sevareid.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
71. Sununu is the worst person to put on tv, he looks and talks nuts.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 06:06 PM
Aug 2012

He also milked taxpayers for all those rides he took on jets..one time he used a jet to go to his dentist. What a loser. Why any Repub would ever hire this idiot again. But Romney is not too bright.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
73. Good job, Soledad!!!
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 06:14 PM
Aug 2012

He was so rattled, he correctly used the adjective "Democratic" instead of "Democrat" twice!


allan01

(1,950 posts)
75. re:WOW!!! Soledad Squashes Mitt's Spokesman (Sununu) Re: Medicare Claims
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 07:37 PM
Aug 2012

always frustrating and interisting that the r.s keep regurgitating the same old tired retreads like John Sununu. the r.s seem like 2nd time around may be a charm.

ProfessionalLeftist

(4,982 posts)
76. Sununu: What a f*cking obnoxious asshole
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 07:43 PM
Aug 2012

Stubborn as hell and refuses to ack FACTS - especially from a GIRL. Typical Republican. Pfft.


---> Soledad

Mutt22

(76 posts)
77. This is the same John Sununu
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 07:47 PM
Aug 2012

that took personal trips on government jets but labeled them as official business trips, whose family was "supposedly" in financial trouble yet spent $5000 on stamps at an auction?? He was a POS then and even worse now......

 

julian09

(1,435 posts)
80. He was also on Andrea Mitchell MSNBC today
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 08:02 PM
Aug 2012

She was a little more aggressive today than usual, she wants to make no enemies.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
90. Soledad did great.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 10:03 PM
Aug 2012

But the average American will not be able to understand what happened in this debate They will just see that "there are two sides to every argument"--and pick according to their pre-fabbed loyalties. They won't be able to actually critically analyze and see that one side is doing talking points and that Soledad is talking facts.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
91. Such an ugly scene
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 10:08 PM
Aug 2012

I guess that's where I'm having the problem.

We can't even discuss these issues with the other side because we're not even accepting of the same facts.
How can you expect to work with people when you can't even agree on basics like water is wet and 2+2=4.

They are so lost in their own spin that they have divorced themselves from reality.

underpants

(182,788 posts)
93. Hold it! Romeny has had his "package" "on the table" for 6 months?
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 10:18 PM
Aug 2012

From what I have seen he has been standing there with it in his hand


On second thought "Hold it!" was not a good way to start this post.

BrooklynBoy

(19 posts)
99. I Saw It As It Happened
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 12:16 AM
Aug 2012

I haven't read every post in this thread, so I apologize if this has already been covered. But, the best part of the interview was Soledad's response to Sununu's repeatedly spouting the $717 Billion taken from Medicare by the ACA Republican talking point. Soledad said, almost verbatim, "That isn't true, and just because you keep repeating it doesn't make it true."

I LOVED it. And, I've been a huge fan of Soledad's for years. We need more "journalists" to call these clowns out when they spout utter bullshit (which is just about all of the time).

A good starting point would be to tell these assholes, EVERY time they refer to the "Democrat" party, that it's "Democratic" party. Nothing whips me into a frenzy more than that.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
103. What a fucking tool
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 03:56 AM
Aug 2012

I'd love to see an superpac run an ad with this footage and ask why Sununu continues to lie on behalf of Mitt Romney.

 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
105. Sununu = WORSE Than Krauthammer (Dr Strangelove)
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 07:27 AM
Aug 2012

this proves just how desperate the GOP is-- dragging this tired, shrill old troll out from
under his rock to ape their talking points.

WTF is this guy? he's been out of MSM media for years, and now we're supposed to believe
he has any sort of credibility??

gimme a break.

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