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kentuck

(111,082 posts)
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:10 PM Aug 2012

I am steeling myself...

... for the last 2 1/2 months until this election is over. The right-wing and the Tea Party have taken over the Republican Party and they have one of their own on the ticket with Paul Ryan, with a former moderate that is willing to do their bidding, so long as he gets to continue stuffing his greedy pockets.

They have all their chips in this coming election. Nerves will be frayed and tension will be high for the next few weeks. Preserve your energy for the marathon to come. We haven't seen anything yet. It is a death match. Don't underestimate that.

There will be a huge price to pay for the Party that loses this election. It is about the people vs the 1%. The Tea Party feels that their time has come and they are ready to take over this country once and for all. Democrats can say goodbye to a lot of programs, including Medicare, if the right-wing wins this election.

How important is this election? Very important. It is not just another election. There is much more at stake in this election than any in our lifetimes. That is what we must fight for and what we must defend. It is discouraging and depressing in a lot of ways but they will steal this election if they get the chance.

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I am steeling myself... (Original Post) kentuck Aug 2012 OP
I'm fired up. I wanna break something, make a noise... NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #1
Kicking not only this thread, but this post!!! calimary Aug 2012 #5
It's really a joy to chat a little with folks. NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #6
Win or lose (and I think they'll lose this one), the GOP is dying. reformist2 Aug 2012 #2
I think they could only win by stealing the election with 'we count the vote' machines... AnotherDreamWeaver Aug 2012 #13
Unless you consider voter suppression and buying elections (Citizens United). calimary Aug 2012 #14
I think they'll lose the Presidency.... lastlib Aug 2012 #15
I live in a Teabagger area, too Oregonian Aug 2012 #20
Well said ... russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #3
Not so good at 'steeling' myself elleng Aug 2012 #4
are you using molten steel or cold hammering new pieces? snooper2 Aug 2012 #7
"It is not just another election." AngryAmish Aug 2012 #8
Yes, we hear this every two years... kentuck Aug 2012 #9
2010, 2008, etc. AngryAmish Aug 2012 #11
Apples to Oranges Wednesdays Aug 2012 #27
To be honest, kentuck, I think if we can't hold off an anvil with an anchor tied around it TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #10
It's all about the GOTV... kentuck Aug 2012 #16
Here in the red xxqqqzme Aug 2012 #12
+1,000. Thanks for saying it. There is more urgency and disinfo than ever. freshwest Aug 2012 #17
I'm expecting a big "October surprise." TahitiNut Aug 2012 #18
Yep ozsea1 Aug 2012 #26
The Tea Party is officially dead. Panasonic Aug 2012 #19
True statement. Jamaal510 Aug 2012 #21
I've kinda gone numb. I think this may last until the debates. Motown_Johnny Aug 2012 #22
They very well could steal this election, just like in '04. AverageJoe90 Aug 2012 #23
Preserve my energy? Forget that! JNelson6563 Aug 2012 #24
And they're getting help from some elements "on the left". I used "quotes" for obvious reasons. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2012 #25
You'll know them by their whining the morning after Election Day Wednesdays Aug 2012 #28
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. I'm fired up. I wanna break something, make a noise...
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:12 PM
Aug 2012

I did some canvassing last Saturday.

I look forward to some phonebanking later in the season.

Talking to folks in other states is really fun.

K/R

calimary

(81,220 posts)
5. Kicking not only this thread, but this post!!!
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:20 PM
Aug 2012

Talking to people in other states can indeed be really fun! Perspectives come from geographical, social, historical, familial, economic, and even climate-related (hard winters? Dry heat all the time? That affects temperament and reaction (reactive?) behavior. Not sure of the terminology - begging forgiveness!

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
2. Win or lose (and I think they'll lose this one), the GOP is dying.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:17 PM
Aug 2012

All the demographics are going against them and their policies are becoming increasingly unpopular. If they were to win and actually implement some of their draconian policies, that just might be the worst thing of all to happen to them.

AnotherDreamWeaver

(2,850 posts)
13. I think they could only win by stealing the election with 'we count the vote' machines...
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:47 PM
Aug 2012

and there may be a world wide party celebration at the death of the GOP, if the democrats take the House and Senate.

(I never believed Ray-gun had a chance. You all keep up the hard work, and my thanks for your labor.)

calimary

(81,220 posts)
14. Unless you consider voter suppression and buying elections (Citizens United).
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:49 PM
Aug 2012

Last edited Tue Aug 14, 2012, 03:21 PM - Edit history (1)

AND stealing elections as well. If you can rig the game, then you win every time, even if you're severely outnumbered. At least for long enough to do some serious long-term damage.

Never forget what Mad-Eye Moody warned Harry Potter: "CONSTANT VIGILANCE!!!!"

And we HAVE TO get out the vote. In overwhelming numbers. Numbers so large that the election can't easily be stolen. Numbers so large they out-shout all the spin.

And besides:
We also have to help, in whatever state it's needed, to make sure that EVERYONE has the proper legally-recognized-at-the-polling-place ID. In whatever permutation it's acquired. If you have to drive somebody to and from some office or help somebody pay one of those ridiculous, usurious fees, do it if you're able. EVERY approach aimed at preventing someone from voting, if they're entitled to vote, Needs. To. Be. Fought. And rather vigorously, I'm afraid.

I mean, shit, the bad guys have entire think tanks full of people who do nothing all day long but look for loopholes and other ways to get around the rules, rig the game, and scam the system. Battalions of oppositional research nerds and "College republi-CON"-types that grow up into lee atwaters and kkkarl roves. That's all on their side and it's very well-funded as we know.

lastlib

(23,220 posts)
15. I think they'll lose the Presidency....
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:54 PM
Aug 2012

...but not so sure about Congress. Seems to be a lot of sentiment for Repug Congressthings that I can't wrap my small brain around. I'm in an area where I hear a LOT of Tea-Party-like rhetoric (even from my family!), and it's obvious that they haven't done any truly rational thinking, but don't even want to hear any rational ideas. It seems to be translating into a GOP congressional landslide for this area, and same seems to be happening on a larger regional scale. I don't understand it.

 

Oregonian

(209 posts)
20. I live in a Teabagger area, too
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 04:23 PM
Aug 2012

And it's not your small brain that's the problem, it's the small brains of the tea partiers....perhaps not always small, but certainly brainwashed. It's tribalism. A religion. Even if GOP/TP policies will ruin the financial lives of those who vote for them, they will simply refuse to vote otherwise out of blind faith. Akin to returning to a God that would continue to torment them with earthquakes, malaria, cancer, etc.

elleng

(130,865 posts)
4. Not so good at 'steeling' myself
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:19 PM
Aug 2012

that I can watch/listen to them; no patience for that. Probably focus on removing cantor, some phone banking for President Obama, and poll-watching in Virginia.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
8. "It is not just another election."
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:32 PM
Aug 2012

I hear this every two years.

I was a fan of professional wrestling. Like all entertainments, the key is to get the customers/marks/voters emotionally involved in the result. It is not just another night of wrasslin' at the old war memorial. It will change things FOREVER. Will the Undetaker get his urn back? Who will lose the Loser Leaves Town match?

I'm gonna vote and of course I vote correctly. But don't think I'm a fool.

kentuck

(111,082 posts)
9. Yes, we hear this every two years...
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:42 PM
Aug 2012

But I cannot recall when the right wing was so emboldened or when Democratic programs were so threatened as this time, can you?

Wednesdays

(17,359 posts)
27. Apples to Oranges
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 05:29 PM
Aug 2012

Last time I checked, the Undertaker losing a match didn't mean the end of Medicare or Social Security.

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
10. To be honest, kentuck, I think if we can't hold off an anvil with an anchor tied around it
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:43 PM
Aug 2012

then the matter was decided well before election day either because the rot has gone to far to fix or because too many statehouses are in the hands of wicked folk who are willing to clear the way for their crew come hell or high water.

Weird Willard and The Minnysodie Granny Starver aren't going to fly off the shelf in the face of a competent campaign, even an out resourced one. Other than a good GOTV effort focused on the Anvil and the Anchor and parlaying that into Congress or in some cases flipping that, I see little we can do that isn't baked into the cake already.
My Congressman will have my vote and work, I vote against the weirdo and the granny starver while I'm there.

kentuck

(111,082 posts)
16. It's all about the GOTV...
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:56 PM
Aug 2012

Democrats got out the vote in 2008. Tea Party got out the vote in 2010. Who's gonna get out the vote in 2012? It's more about political propaganda anymore than it is about the issues. Who stays home and who goes to the polls?

I wish I felt that the Democratic Party was fired up and ready to go. I think a lot of voters that voted in 2008 are very discouraged in 2012. That is just my opinion. If they come out in the same numbers as 2008, Democrats keep the Senate, the White House, and win back the House.

I have a feeling that this is going to be a very close race, for multiple reasons, including the economy. We all have become professional voters.

xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
12. Here in the red
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 02:46 PM
Aug 2012

Orange County, the Democratic Clubs have opened FIVE campaign offices. All with money from their members. OFA is taking us for granted - again (the DNC does that w/ Californians as other blue staters know). Our office will concentrate its focus on local and state candidates. We have 2 congressional district candidates we are supporting but we are looking to city councils, school boards and community college districts first. There are a number of city councils where we are just one vote shy of a majority. Dems on school and community college boards have done amazing work w/ dwindling revenues. I think people are waking up to Democrats supporting local issues. It is hard work but it IS paying off.

ozsea1

(36 posts)
26. Yep
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 05:18 PM
Aug 2012

Israel will unilaterally attack Iran.

To say this put Obama in an awkward position would be the understatement of the year.

 

Panasonic

(2,921 posts)
19. The Tea Party is officially dead.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 04:20 PM
Aug 2012

The purge of the teabaggers will begin on November 6th, removing yet another 80-85% of the Teabaggers, and thus reclaiming the House for the Democrats, while strengthening the Senate.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
21. True statement.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 04:27 PM
Aug 2012

"There will be a huge price to pay for the Party that loses this election. It is about the people vs the 1%. The Tea Party feels that their time has come and they are ready to take over this country once and for all. Democrats can say goodbye to a lot of programs, including Medicare, if the right-wing wins this election."

And I'll add that the winner of this election will likely get to choose at least the next couple of SC justices. Also if the Republicans do happen to lose again, that could be a major setback for them. As another poster stated, the demographic shifts are not in their favor. With an increasing percentage of minority voters, the G0Pee will become irrelevant in terms of running for the presidency. Plus, Texas is rumored to turn Blue in possibly a decade. Without TX, it's game over for the GOPhers.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
22. I've kinda gone numb. I think this may last until the debates.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 04:34 PM
Aug 2012

The conventions are just a show. The debates are going to be important. I am bias but I really think Pres. Obama is gonna hand Rmoney his ass on a silver platter. He is so vulnerable on so many issues that I just can't see how he does not implode.



I honestly believe that if we can hold the White House this cycle and then again in 2016 (which may be harder) then in 2020 things may begin to break our way.

The demographics are in our favor and I really think that in about 8 more years they will make enough of an impact that our job starts to get easier.


http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/aia2010031101/







The increase in the nonwhite share of the electorate over the next decade will have major consequences for electoral competition. If the Democratic Party is able to maintain anything close to the overwhelming advantage among nonwhite voters that it enjoyed in 2008, Republican candidates will need to win a considerably larger share of the white vote than their party’s candidates did in 2008 or even 2004 in order to remain competitive in national elections. Under these circumstances, even a 60 percent share of the white vote would not be enough to give a Republican candidate a majority of the popular vote and the last Republican presidential candidate to win more than 60 percent of the white vote was Ronald Reagan in 1984.

An alternative path to victory for Republicans in future national elections would involve seeking to expand their Party’s support among nonwhite voters. By winning a larger share of the nonwhite vote, a Republican candidate could be elected with considerably less than 60 percent of the white vote. But this would require the GOP to move away from its conservative base and closer to the ideological center because nonwhite voters tend to be strong supporters of increased spending on social programs and activist government.

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Along the same lines, 65 percent of nonwhite voters, including 64 percent of African-American voters and 73 percent of Hispanic voters, supported the creation of a single-payer health care system in the United States compared with only 15 percent of Republican primary voters. And given a choice between more government services with higher taxes and fewer government services with lower taxes, 67 percent of nonwhite voters, including 67 percent of African-American voters and 68 percent of Hispanic voters, chose more government services with higher taxes compared with only 25 percent of GOP primary voters.








 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
23. They very well could steal this election, just like in '04.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 04:35 PM
Aug 2012

It's the only way they can win, or even come close to beating Obama. That's why we have to keep fighting for what's right. We didn't give up in '08, did we? McCain was a far more competent, and not quite so dishonest, opponent, compared to Romney and he still lost. Look at what Romney's been doing; he is incredibly incompetent and has done NOTHING right. His avoidance of the Iowa state fair is just the latest mistake.

They WILL have to game this election, to make it even seem like a close race.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
24. Preserve my energy? Forget that!
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 04:48 PM
Aug 2012

I'm busy now! I'm helping my local Dems sign up members, register voters and raise money for local candidates. One way we're raising money is selling Obama lawnsigns. We're in a red zone here and I love how upsetting it is to the Rethugs here to have to drive through our blue city proper peppered with Obama signs.

Busy, busy, busy. I urge all DUers to hop aboard this crazy train, it's an awesome ride!

Julie

Tarheel_Dem

(31,233 posts)
25. And they're getting help from some elements "on the left". I used "quotes" for obvious reasons.
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 05:11 PM
Aug 2012

You can take a look at this forum on any given day, and it looks like Grover Norquist and Jane Hamsher had an illegitimate baby, and that baby threw up all over GD. It's fascinating just how similar the talking points are between the two factions.

I swear, I think there's a talking points clearinghouse somewhere, where they get instructions to spread out over the entire internet and throw up huge chunks

You can rest assured that if it seems like a good news day for the president, and a bad day for Rmoney, DU's anti Obama faction gets to work immediately to "tamp down" any perceived enthusiasm, no matter how far back in the archives they have to dig. "Obama's Secret Plan to Kill Medicare". Kinda like the other side who are convinced that "Obama's A Secret Muslim". I realize it's exhausting for some of the president's supporters, but I find it comical that they actually believe typing angry screeds on an internet forum is activism.

I agree with you, this election is crucial. With possibly two USSC retirements, I shudder to think what a Rmoney WH and GOP dominated Congress will do with that. On every issue, Democrats are much more in line with most of us here.

Wednesdays

(17,359 posts)
28. You'll know them by their whining the morning after Election Day
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 05:50 PM
Aug 2012

I, for one, will relish every moment of that.

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