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This Opening Post should inspire more Democrats to vote!By Karl Rove
Oct. 31, 2018 6:40 p.m. ET
Get-out-the-vote efforts now assume special importance. Careful planning, precise targeting, months of preparation, and vast amounts of volunteer hours now either pay off in early and absentee voting as well as Election Day turnout, or they dont and campaigns sink. But initial reports are good for Republicans. Last week NBC News found GOP-affiliated voters have surpassed Democratic-affiliated ones in early voting in Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Montana, Tennessee and Texasall of which have key races for Senate, governor or both.
Nevada is the only state with a crucial Senate race in which NBC reported a Democratic advantage in early voting.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/republicans-show-strength-in-early-voting-1541025658
The most surprising aspect of this online "opinion" article is that Karl Rove is still at large, instead of in prison. It also displays a early voting facility in New Mexico, without mentioning anything about the state.
bearsfootball516
(6,373 posts)trueblue2007
(17,194 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Who can blame him for refusing to dwell on the reality that most of their larger than normal early turnout is their usual reliable voters who are just...dutifully voting early instead of on election day.
And, of course, they don't know how many conservatives will stay loyal in the booth, allllmost all, but...
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,757 posts)He thought for certain Mitt Romney was going to win and seemed rather pissed off when he didn't.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,606 posts)LOL.
PCIntern
(25,490 posts)Oh in that case let me take the gas pipe.
You mean President Romneys Karl Fucking Rove??
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Blecht
(3,803 posts)Karl Fucking Rove, indeed.
pwb
(11,252 posts).
dalton99a
(81,404 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,506 posts)wryter2000
(46,023 posts)Ah, the memories
BumRushDaShow
(128,506 posts)yes THAT (now-unemployed) Megyn Kelly, march down to the "Decision Desk" to find out what was going on (starting at 5:15).
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)It's written by that tub of ass. Screw him.
SaveOurDemocracy
(4,400 posts)PSPS
(13,580 posts)I've seen too many GOPee-ers say they will be voting Democratic for the first time in their life. Add that to the fact this is a Rove written article and you get good news for the Democratic Party.
Demwolv
(88 posts)Democrats have already surpassed Republicans in in-person voting in many of those states. Absentee ballots (which usually always go red because many of them are older voters) are what push republicans over...
ALSO. He's not counting on voters who aren't registered one way or another which most likely will not split 50/50 in this count. In my state, we don't have to register one way or another to vote in a primary. I have always voted Dem but I'm an independent register. They're using this to keep Dems away. Don't fall for the bait!!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,606 posts)And we are to take it seriously?
grantcart
(53,061 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)In AZ the early voting by party is exactly the same as it has always been,
42 Republican
34 Dem
23 Independents
But here is the problem Carl, Martha McSally is only getting 88% of the Republicans and Independents are breaking 20% to the advantage of Dems.
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)Do you have a link to a reliable website with similar statistics on other states? Someone else posted it was in a Rupert Murdock media toilet, which makes it even funnier; but the main point is no one should take these important, mid-term elections for granted. LET'S GET OUT AND VOTE!
ZZenith
(4,115 posts)When is this country going to get serious about election integrity?
2009 we had the White House and both houses of Congress and did nothing to eliminate these infernal electronic voting machines, manufactured by hard-core Republican zealots.
The whole hanging chad charade was such a clever way to influence states to adopt the most corruptable voting method imaginable. EVMs will NEVER be more verifiable than paper ballots and yet we all fall like lemmings off that cliff.
If they steal it, how do we prove it?
LBM20
(1,580 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,506 posts)It's because of a little thing called the U.S. Constitution.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/tenth_amendment
I.e., except for the elections for the U.S. Congress, as set forth in Article I of the Constitution, where the requirements, numbers, and agreement on the date is set nationwide, similarly the election of the President being set forth in Article II, everything else that has to do with voting not already covered under the 14th, 19th, 24th, and 26th Amendments, are controlled by the states.
(DU needs more Civics 101)
ZZenith
(4,115 posts)The Help America Vote Act (HAVA) of 2002 was passed by the United States Congress to make sweeping reforms to the nation's voting process. HAVA addresses improvements to voting systems and voter access that were identified following the 2000 election.
I am done with the naive and I am done with the mendacious.
BumRushDaShow
(128,506 posts)has nothing to do with what you are talking about. Did you actually fucking read it? HAVA is merely "guidance" and "best practices" and "minimum standards". It is up to the states to determine how they are going to implement their own voting processes.
Here it is - https://www.eac.gov/assets/1/6/HAVA41.PDF
Anything beyond that would be challenged as a 10th Amendment issue. You might notice that Washington State has no polling places or machines at all - it's all "mail-in" voting.
Trust me - I want it as much as you to have some standardized system nationwide is a tall order that will be argued, infringes on the 10th Amendment.
ZZenith
(4,115 posts)regarding federal elections?
Is that what you are telling me?
BumRushDaShow
(128,506 posts)when it comes to functions that are related to "elections" and I posted what is in the Constitution about "federal" elections.
However your assertion was this -
And I will say it again - there is (unfortunately) a limitation as to how far Congress can "dictate" to states how to handle things that would fall under the 10th Amendment. Meaning they CANNOT tell a state which manufacturer and which machine they are to use nationwide. Over the past decade, citizenry have attempted to take their states to court for the most egregious touchscreen systems that apparently met "minimum requirements" and they lost.
Instead of whining about what Congress should do, people need to corral voters in their states and take control of their own state governments so that Democrats can put in place the more reliable systems.
This bullshit about Democrats "doing nothing" is truly tiresome.
ZZenith
(4,115 posts)on voting systems that are corrupted.
Gotcha.
BumRushDaShow
(128,506 posts)But it also reflects the fact that a number of state GOP seats went uncontested for far too long, so all that did was solidify their control, and at the worst possible time - the decennial census.
Fortunately what we have going for us is how extreme the GOP has gotten since 2010, which is finally causing the GOP juggernaut to crumble in some states, resulting in a rise of "independents" willing to vote for Democrats. And now with more Democrats actually CONTESTING seats (thanks to groups like "Indivisible" ), the tide is changing and more pressure will soon be brought to bear at the state level, to begin to make the necessary changes.
If you have enough people coming out to vote - that can often be more than enough to offset the "corrupted machines" because too many obvious "errors" will raise a red flag. Close elections with corrupted machines, not so much.
You have people who watch things happen, people who make things happen, and then those people who wake up and say "What the hell just happened?". Now is the time to get things in place for 2020.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Electronic "voting" is simply a more efficient way to steal elections.
MaryMagdaline
(6,851 posts)If we get democrats in FL, MI, WI, GA, we can protect the vote.
treestar
(82,383 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)maxrandb
(15,298 posts)is a Turd Blossom opinion piece from a Murdoch owned piece of shit Retrumplican propaganda pop-up book being posted on DU???
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)As expected, the OP got a few laughs. Now that you informed me Murdoch owns the media toilet for Rove opinions, I am smiling too!
too funny!
W_HAMILTON
(7,835 posts)I think I've learned that you can't really determine how someone will react to a piece of news -- e.g., does a story like this increase or actually decrease Democratic turnout? -- so, I've fallen back on the old tried and true "just do the right thing."
And posting a story written by Karl Rove on this website is certainly NOT doing the right thing......
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Rove is an insider. I don't take anything for granted anymore
spanone
(135,795 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Karl really ramped up this ugliness w..."Politics is War"...rhetoric. GD how many lives do these people have??
GO AWAY KARL.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Well the internet remembers!
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6376549
BumRushDaShow
(128,506 posts)Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,506 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and in other states?
Vinca
(50,237 posts)I've seen a number of GOP voters interviewed who are either splitting their vote in order to have a check on Trump or voting totally Democratic.
Blecht
(3,803 posts)Why are you posting this here?
retread
(3,761 posts)cagefreesoylentgreen
(838 posts)Never can tell who is or isnt a Russian bot these days.
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)perhaps try rereading the OP
peekaloo
(22,977 posts)Joe941
(2,848 posts)Does he have some inside knowledge from any Russia...?
PatrickforO
(14,559 posts)But it's by Karl Rove. The same guy who freaked out when Obama won his second term in 2012.
And, yes, I do agree Rove should be in prison.
SWBTATTReg
(22,077 posts)karl rove and I never do. I hope never to see his name or whatever on DU ever again.
honest.abe
(8,616 posts)diva77
(7,629 posts)Mark Crispin Miller discusses how Rove's IT guru died in a plane crash prior to giving deposition where he would talk about how the votes from Ohio were shunted through a republican server on election night 2004.
Rove's IT Guru Warned of Sabotage Before Fatal Plane Crash; Was Set to Testify
Mike Connell, the chief IT consultant to Karl Rove, reportedly asked for protective custody from the government before he died.
By Amy Goodman / Democracy Now!
December 22, 2008,
https://www.alternet.org/story/114674/rove%27s_it_guru_warned_of_sabotage_before_fatal_plane_crash;_was_set_to_testify
SNIP
MCM:Well, the lawyers in the case refer to him as a high-IQ Forrest Gump, by which they mean that he seems to have been present at the scene of every dubious election of the last eight years. We're talking about Florida in 2000. We're talking about Ohio in 2004. We're talking about Alabama in 2002. He seems to have been involved in the theft of Don Siegelman's re-election for governor. There's some evidence that links him with the Saxby Chambliss-Max Cleland Senate race in Georgia in 2002. To be Karl Rove's IT guru seems to have meant basically setting it up so that votes could be electronically shaved to the disadvantage of the Democrats and the advantage of Republicans.
AG: What do you mean, "electronically shaved"? I mean, you've got all these precincts all over Ohio. They're counting up their votes. What does he have to do with this?
MCM: Well, specifically, there's a computer architecture setup called "Man in the Middle," which involves shunting the election returns from, you know, the state in question -- in this case, Ohio -- shunting them to a separate computer elsewhere. All of the election returns in Ohio in 2004 went from the Secretary of State's website -- this is Ken Blackwell -- to a separate computer in a basement in Chattanooga, Tennessee, which was under the control of another private company called SMARTech.
So we have now two private companies: GovTech Solutions, which is Connell's company, SMARTech, which is run by a guy named [Jeff] Averbeck. And the company -- the third private company that managed the voting tabulators in Ohio was called Triad. All three of these companies worked closely together on election night in Ohio in 2004. It turns out that the state's own IT person was sent home at 9:00 p.m. They said, "Go ahead. Go home. We'll take care of this." So that this trio of highly partisan and, let me add, Christianist companies basically took over the whole --
SNIP
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)That said, we need to flood the polls, whatever Rove says.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Except his right-wing toadies. These RW white fossils bum a career by spraying shit-mist on everything in sight.