Military troops reach positions at San Diego County's U.S.-Mexico border entry

[left-of-center2012]

Active-duty troops are now stationed at the San Ysidro Port of Entry in southern San Diego County, CA, the Department of Defense said Friday, marking the start of a military response to the U.S.-Mexico border amid immigration concerns.

The mix of forces includes military police, an assault helicopter battalion, various communications, medical and headquarters units, combat engineers, planners and public affairs units. Most of the troops are being used to facilitate the movement of border patrol agents, house them, feed them and provide some of their protection.

Many of the troops will be armed. Military police at the border will carry weapons, although they will have non-lethal options for dealing with unexpected conflict. Pentagon officials say they are planning for a worst-case scenario of violence that could force soldiers to rely on their training to make split-second decisions to defend themselves or civilians. MPs might, for example, be dispatched to provide armed security for military engineers placing barricades at locations where there are no border patrol agents to provide protection.

Lt. Col. Jamie Davis, a Pentagon spokesman, said the military will not disclose details of its rules on the use of force.

https://www.10news.com/news/military-troops-reach-positions-at-san-diego-county-s-us-mexico-border-entry

[msongs]

1. military will do what trump says nt

[rgbecker]

29. I wonder what the campaign medal will look like?

Soldier's boot stepping on a baby?

[maxsolomon]

2. What could go wrong?

Armed troops will be stationed on the Border through the 2020 campaign. Bank on it. We haven't seen peak immigrant hysteria. Trump will escalate and escalate until Mexicans start chucking rocks out of spite.

There will be blood.

[Separation]

9. When he said that

I was like, "why are you even saying anything about them throwing rocks?"

It's like he is egging on for something to happen.

[dhill926]

3. well thank god the army is there to protect us from uh, what exactly....

what's left of the "caravan" could show up in a couple weeks...what a clusterfuck...

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

5. "Caravan" another one word sound bite the gop can digest

and harrange about.

[brush]

13. It'll be more like a month or two. What a lying fu_k. And by then it'll just be stragglers.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

4. What happened to INS?

ALL the DHS money and ICE hasn't gotten basic logistical support, and stuff like communications???? Remember folks...they took away antennae tv bc they were going to need the band width for all things safety/military, but apparently that hasn't translated to use yet. NO MORE FREE TV THOUGH. Even shoveling adverts down our throats 24/7.
They need the military for Public Affairs? You gotta be shitting me tiffany cufflinks. Posse Commitatus is ALL i heard during Obamas Admin ANY time the military was discussed to be used for Hurricanes A-Z. But now, bc of the election, don ivan deploys troops in America for some horseshit reason. And they are doing just what we needed during every disaster from Hurricane Gustav/Ike-Hurricanes in 2016. GD it. Rules only apply to poor people and democrats. More troops than Afghanistan...right here in River City. This sounds like a new war w all the falderall.
No need for college...just might as well have your kids enlist or apply to ICE. Such a GD mess.
What happened to the Pentagon saying NO???

[MarvinGardens]

10. Free antenna TV is still a thing.

Yeah, Trump is an evil asshole for doing this...had to say that first.

But know that free over the air TV is available and better than ever. I realize this is OT for this thread, but I hate to think you could be paying for something you don't need to. I watch it all the time, and it's crystal clear. If you have a modern TV, you don't need a converter box.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

11. really marv? i just took the time to try out my old rabbit ears...and thats not true.

welcome to DU..?..
You know exactly what i mean. lets not dance hey? ALOT of DU'ers grew up w portable tvs...and theyre all in a pile in the garage.

[NutmegYankee]

14. I get all of my TV with an antenna.

The signal requires a digital tuner, which any TV made after 2007 has already built in. Older TVs will need a converter box.

As a head's up, most of the signals went to UHF frequencies, so you might want a better antenna design since the rabbit ears worked better in VHF frequencies.

And when you do pull in those signals - it's beautiful! They come in at 1080i HD.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

16. Rabbit ears arent digital antennaes are they.

Just for the record. They screwed w the tvs under the aegis that they needed the bandwidth. If thats the case, why didnt the military and police etc just use the digital antennaes and we just kept what we had? You know exactly what Im saying. The point above was the military , this thread is an off shoot of a fine point to mince words.

[NutmegYankee]

20. The antenna doesn't change between digital or analog - It's the same radio frequencies

All that changed was the format of the data on the frequencies. Old TV used a combo of AM and FM over a 6 MHz spread to transmit TV via a continuously variable signal. A digital broadcast converts the programming into a stream of binary on/off bits—sequences of 0s and 1s. The TV tuner has to be able to convert that to a picture and sound. The lower channels that bracketed FM radio are getting moved to the higher UHF frequencies and the design for UHF is different than VHF. Also, because the signal is now digital, the channel can be virtually assigned, so for instance PBS channel 59 in Norwich, CT actually broadcasts on VHF frequency channel 9.


VHF-Lo Channels 2-6 54MHz -88MHz
FM Radio 88MHz-108MHz
108MHz-174MHz is a mish mash of stuff
VHF Hi Channels 7-13 174MHz - 216MHz

UHF Channels 14-69 now confined to 470MHz - 698MHz (channels 52-83 were taken for broadband, a future effort is underway to take channels 39-51)

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

23. Why doesnt my tv work then?

BC they switched the shit around. i was fine w the picture and you know what I meant.

[NutmegYankee]

28. While the picture improved, it was done for efficiency.

TV used very wide swaths of valuable radio frequencies because it came about in a time where there was limited use of radio. Now with wireless devices everywhere like routers and cordless phones, there was a need for that space and TV was not using much of in any one market.

Digital allowed it to be compacted into a smaller chunk of the spectrum and have the stations still appear on the same channel of your TV. Meanwhile, the old channel 52-53 is the backbone now of the 4G data on most cell phone networks.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

30. My tv was fine. Then it wasnt. end of story, and discussion.

take care. ps...you still know what i meant ten posts ago.

[NutmegYankee]

31. Welcome to the advance of technology.

Pulse rotary phones used to work well too, but eventually the telephone systems were switched to Touch-Tone. If you want a Western Electric 554 to work now you have to put a dial tone converter into it. (and on VOIP, you have to add a capacitor to provide the juice to ring the phone)

[MarvinGardens]

21. Your pre-2009 TV might need a converter box.

And yeah, if you've got the old kind with the built in rabbit ears, you might be screwed, unless you know how to rig it. You might be able to connect the output on the converter to the antenna with tape, solder, etc.

Any TV you bought after that is capable of receiving digital signals over the air, today. I do not pay for cable, and get TV over the air on a modern flatscreen. Rabbit ears, even ones sold before 2009, will work, because the digital signals still travel on VHF and UHF. You'll get better results with a real antenna mounted in your attic or rooftop, and even better with a signal booster. But this was true before the digital transition as well.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

24. My tv didnt need a converter box when I bought it.

And you know what i meant above as well. I'm tired of batting this around. I bought a tv once that worked. i didnt ask for digital. it was forced on all of us. If it wasnt, theyd have made it ok for both to work. They screwed w stuff. You go on now. Have a good weekend. Im fully aware of alllll you two have said.

[left-of-center2012]

6. "an assault helicopter battalion"

Trump: "These are bad hombres"

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

7. Translated to.."El Chapo pissed me off once....once"

IMo..That's where ALLL this shit originates from. He has an axe to grind. Like w Pres Obama.
Go speak w him in prison red don. It's mis-placed aggression. Why are we paying for your grudge matches?
Have you seen the price of fruit and vegetables lately? Mushrooms have gone up by half. Hows the rest of that grocery bill looking w the TARIFFS?
Don't be distracted. El Chapo started this hate-fest in his sick mind, and this is just an ongoing malignancy and extension of same...painted over and over w layers of distraction.
El Chapo had the nerve to go after don. He's been in prison.
I think dons more of a threat to America than that ruthless drug dealer murderer, El Chapo.
Pardon El Chapo Don. Deport El Chapo. Start there. Why are we paying for El Chapos incarceration? AND this travesty of a distraction.

[tblue37]

25. It's not about El Chapo. This is all just red meat to excite his base and get them to the polls on

Tuesday.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

27. Totally agree. but

he really ramped up the hatng on s americans w el chapo. just my opinion. i hear yours too.

[tblue37]

26. It's not about El Chapo. This is all just red meat to excite his base and get them to the polls on

Tuesday.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

32. he never said el chapo. but he's a lunatic.

he holds grudges forever and that was the genesis of his mexican invader hate fest....shined up to look like something else. When it worked, it morphed, and he went w it. Of course hes not going to bring up el chapo. thats what i think.

[BigmanPigman]

8. Are any going to be at the Tecate crossing about 50 miles

further East? I love that crossing. There is new pro immigrant artwork there too.
?quality=85&strip=all&strip=all

https://whotv.com/2017/09/11/artist-creates-giant-photo-of-toddler-looking-over-u-s-mexico-border-wall/

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

12. No soup for you kid.

The ruskie needs to golf.

[lpbk2713]

15. All this because our president is an asshole.

I'd love to see them throw down their guns.

[politicaljunkie41910]

17. Every member of the military is taught in basic training when the use of force is appropriate and

when it is not. The underlying message that one would and should always have taken away from that training is, "if you ever have to use deadly force while in uniform" you'd better have followed all lawful procedures up to and prior to doing so." And deadly force simply means firing your weapon. It doesn't matter even if you just wounded someone, there will be an investigation, and your career could be over, if you failed to follow procedures. Also, you learn that you don't have to follow an unlawful order. So that means, if your president tells you to shoot a child or his parent for trespassing, when they are not a threat to you, you can be severely disciplined i.e. military confinement (jailed), forfeiture of pay, sentenced to hard labor, and/or receive a dishonorable discharge; so Trump is the last person I'd be looking to for guidance for how to conduct oneself in a border skirmish.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

19. +1'sie for 419'er

[TomSlick]

34. Not only may a soldier disobey an unlawful order - s/he is required to do so.

I am not particularly concerned about our military shooting unarmed civilians. That's not what a member of the most professional and best trained military in the history of the world would do.

That being said, it pisses me off no end that the military is being used in such a blatantly political way. I also think the Orange Abomination is violating the Posse Comitatus Act - a high crime.

[bluecollar2]

35. As a veteran

I might have to take issue with your use of the phrasing "... most professional and best trained...."

Best equipped and financed...maybe...

I appreciate what you are saying though.

I have faith that the overwhelming majority of those in leadership positions within our armed forces will not hesitate to defy unlawful orders.

[Brother Buzz]

18. San Diego is a Navy town, what could possibly go wrong?

[struggle4progress]

22. But whatever will they do when confronted with hoards singing "Los pollitos"?

[panader0]

33. Insanity.

[Hekate]

36. This is beyond sick. How many morons actually believe Trump's lies?

This is fcking illegal.

[Solly Mack]

37. So wrong and sick and disgusting.