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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy does MSNBC continue to use Donna Brazile to represent Dems?
Does MSNBC not know how many Dems resist that characterization?
elleng
(130,865 posts)betsuni
(25,462 posts)Cha
(297,137 posts)Brazil Machine?
She sure doesn't have any credibility.. she blew that after the rigging in of trump.
betsuni
(25,462 posts)Maybe not everyone has been keeping up with Teh Donna Brazile.
Cha
(297,137 posts)Triggered
calimary
(81,212 posts)She's one of those spineless, gutless "oh, okay..." Democrats who cave first and MAYBE ask questions later.
I suggest contacting MSNBC and expressing your displeasure.
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Cha
(297,137 posts)calimary
(81,212 posts)Heaven only knows why they thought it'd be a good idea to bring her onboard. It was thankfully brief.
I hope I helped. How come?
Because I wrote a snail mail letter about it to MSNBC. Explained why I thought she was a bad fit. Explained how I was a longtime loyal viewer, and how undesirable I thought she was and how she, as a former Pox Noise feature, didn't belong on MSNBC - and had NO BUSINESS on a network like MSNBC. Because if we wanted to watch Greta Van Susteren, for Pete's sake, we already would have watched her on Pox - where she was a staple for years and easily findable.
Okay, that's just one letter from one listener. But maybe my letter wasn't the only complaint they got in the mail from other fellow angry viewers who felt betrayed by this colossal programming blunder.
I also went to the Women's March in L.A. (Biggest in the WORLD, 750K people, until the March for Our Lives in DC - at 800K people) in January 2017. Spotted Jacob Soboroff, the MSNBC correspondent, who was there with his crew to cover the March. Went up to him as he was reviewing a few notes - not on the air. Happy to meet him, I was a viewer, liked his work, could I get a selfie? He complied with a smile. Then I went in for the kill. Thanked him and prepared to rejoin the March, when I added - "and could you PLEASE tell your bosses to get rid of Greta Van Susteren? She doesn't belong on MSNBC and this is one viewer who really doesn't appreciate having a former Fox person shoved in my face."
Okay, that was just one encounter.
But BELIEVE ME, these things add up. Perhaps I wasn't the only person he'd heard that from.
I tell ya - that feedback COUNTS. It MATTERS. It MATTERS A TON!!!!
I told this story years ago on here, on the old DU, and I'm sure it's faded from memory by now, so I'll tell it AGAIN. It comes from my own experience as a broadcaster, back while I was still working. I SAW THIS over and over again, and in one case in particular, it directly affected MY job.
The ratings that governed radio, and I'm guessing still do (I've been retired for quite a while now), are/were the ARBs. Arbitron. Basically numbers of listeners, and which stations and dayparts and time slots got the most. I worked at an AM Top-40 station that had dominated the market in the 60s before FM took over, and in fact had been a key to launching the Top-40 format in America back in the day. Arbitron had more than just the ratings service. There was this other service they offered, called the ARB Talkback. That was a lot more than just a count of how many were listening to what, and when. The ARB Talkback involved listeners' comments. The ratings services had what were called "diaries" that were sent to random households for the recipients literally to fill out - what they were listening to, and when. I've never seen one, but evidently there was a portion of those diaries where you could add a comment. And those comments were compiled and issued in the ARB Talkback report that was sent to the subscribing radio stations.
This particular issue of the ARB Talkback included some fellow's comment "entertaining morning news with calimary" specifically mentioning me by name. Pretty amazing that my work on there actually stood out to somebody - even when the morning news updates were such a minimal part of the morning show, and the station wasn't about news anyway - it was about playing the hits. But there it was.
I remember when that diary came out because of the reaction around the building. It came in the mail and was passed around all over everywhere. When I left the newsroom after the morning block, to stroll up the hallway and take a break, there was a noticeable reaction from other staffers I saw. They stopped. Looked at me differently. Stepped aside and made way for me to pass. Wide eyed, some smiling. It was weird and different. I didn't understand why. Soon enough, somebody actually bothered to speak up - "hey, did you see the ARB Talkback?" "The what?" I was the "news chick" - we never saw the ratings or the radio trade magazines - they were always up in the programming office or the jock lounge. We in the news department were the runt of the litter. Those industry publications seldom made it back to the news department. I didn't even know there WAS an ARB Talkback. But everybody else in the building did, and had seen the positive mention of me in it. Somebody finally showed it to me. I was AMAZED! How'd I wind up in there? I was just the lowly news gal, not the marquee morning drive DJ with the big name and the big paycheck. But the star DJ wasn't the one who made the impression with some listener who gave a damn enough to write it down in the ARB diary.
There was a new program director in charge by then. People were getting fired left and right, which often happens when there's a change in PDs. Housecleaning dontchaknow. But my job was safe. Nobody touched me, or bothered me, or wanked me around, or cut me back, or told me I better watch it because my days might be numbered for whatever reason (like maybe the ratings were dropping). That single mention in the ARB Talkback - ONE mention - SAVED MY JOB for a year, during the same period when lots of other people in other departments including air staff were being let go. When I finally did leave there, I left because I'd been hired away by a bigger broadcast outfit, and not because I'd been canned.
ONE mention. ONE even wee bit of feedback. ONE small step (as they say now in political activism circles). Saved my job! It mattered. It made a difference. In that case, as in a lot of radio (which is why music format stations have request lines, btw), ONE item of feedback is considered to be representative of many multiples of others who did NOT weigh in, in some way, or whose votes weren't counted. They take note of how many calls come in requesting a certain song. Those who call in are considered to represent MANY others who didn't call in, didn't have time, didn't care that much, or didn't think it made any difference, but still shared the same opinion. Written letters carry a lot of weight because of the extra time and trouble they mean somebody went to - to write down a message on a piece of paper, put it in an envelope, address it and stamp it and mail it. Paul Begala once said 100 paper letters could change the course of a newsroom.
That feedback MATTERS! It makes a BIG difference! It carries a LOT of weight! You should NEVER hesitate to weigh in. It counts - BIGTIME! In the case of Greta Van Susteren, I have to assume that they got a LOT of negative feedback, LOTS of letters, calls, emails, and more, saying the same thing I did in my letter. And when you add that to her obviously lackluster ratings, you can be pretty sure somebody's laid a big egg. I also wonder if anybody else approached Jacob Soboroff in the field and gave him a thumbs-down on Greta Van Susteren, too. If he heard a few of those, I suspect he'd probably let somebody know back at the office. Or he'd tell his producer, and the producer would say something. "Hey, we're getting some pretty shitty reaction to Greta out there..." That kind of thing.
THAT FEEDBACK MATTERS! Don't think it falls on deaf ears. Even if it doesn't produce the results you want immediately - or at all. It adds up. That stuff adds up, and starts to count and carry more and more weight by the day. And if there's enough of it, the powers that be ignore it at their own peril.
Sorry this is so long. But it's important. It's important that you know. It's important that you know that your feedback really DOES matter.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)That was a fascinating glimpse into the world of radio even if just a wee one. Very interesting stories also. Thanks for sharing all of it and yes, our feedback matters. After all, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
elleng
(130,865 posts)as in keeping VP Gore from allying with Pres. Clinton's many successes.
elleng
(130,865 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"think it is a X supporter conspiracy theory because he lost..."
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)opportunistic liar, totally unworthy to be associated with the Democratic Party in any capacity.
But you know that, don't you?
After listening to her ridiculous lies at the beginning, which could only be believed by the very foolish and ignorant, I have turned off any program that's tried to set up its viewership for fools by inviting
As for MSNBC, judge them by their product.
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)Cha
(297,137 posts)but I've read some of the crap she's come up with.
OnDoutside
(19,953 posts)Would almost be watching from behind the couch, but she hasn't gone off the deep end in a while.
Cha
(297,137 posts)her.
Grasswire2
(13,566 posts)I was hesitant to say that.
Cha
(297,137 posts)DB earned it.
SWBTATTReg
(22,112 posts)quick on her feet. We need all the people on our side that we can get, since the repugs are even dirtier, by far.
The republicans would not hesitate to kick us when we are down on the ground.
I still regret Al Franklen getting kicked out. Sure he made mistakes, but he owed up to it and I think it was a hit job on him. And he was a pretty good person. I hope he runs again. The republicans have, by far, done worse things, and do NOT ever resign. They don't apologize, they don't admit to doing any wrong, don't do nothing.
Sure everything is not going to be all 'white gloves' and so, but sometimes things get dirty.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,912 posts)I agree with you. Donna is real people, she has worked for Democrats her entire life. She is not perfect, but then again I'm not either. She became prominent in the Democratic Party when there were more barriers to Black women doing so then there are now, and she did so through hard work and determination. Haven't been in touch with her for 8 years and I don't always agree with her, but I won't slam her.
SWBTATTReg
(22,112 posts)you say, she is real, and none of us are perfect.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and after. I can see thinking, gee she seemed like a real person when I met her. Who'da thought?
The Kavanaugh hearing should have taught anyone who didn't already know it that viewers don't have to physically lie down with any of the dishonorable dogs who show up in politics to get up with fleas. It's best to check them out.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)"of a certain age" and are tone-deaf.
I cringe every time I see her or some of the other "go-to" people who get trotted out every election cycle.
I am 69 years old but I know that times change and we need to be an ever-renewing party. We need to be ready to jettison some of the older/wiser voices when we need to energize the up and coming who will bear the real burdens of choices made.
It's a natural tendency to want to hold on for dear life, for as long as possible, BUT we need new blood...all the time.
"Elder-statesmen" are great, but perhaps more as book writers, forum leaders, campaign consultants, but we do not need to be force-fed their philosophies (which often are attached to losing campaigns )
Perhaps they work cheaper?
and PULEEEEEASE stop forcing Scaramuchi and the ditzy blond Tea Party woman.. We certainly do NOT need their ideas.. Let them hang out at Fox.
Grasswire2
(13,566 posts)BLAH!!!
LAS14
(13,783 posts)...blew Gore's campaign.
This thread reminds me of the one a few days ago about Rachel's Kornacki. Lots of mean-spiritedness on DU these days.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Grasswire2
(13,566 posts)I consider her an operative perhaps not worthy of the party. Don't trust her even 1 percent.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,406 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)when we were seeing our numbers go into the dumper in Wisconsin,Ohio and Michigan. Frustrating.
crosinski
(411 posts)Some people just never go away.