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Augiedog

(2,543 posts)
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 01:55 PM Nov 2018

Disenfranchisement needs to become a criminal offense.

You are taking from someone something of value without their permission when you make it inordinately difficult or impossible to exercise their right to vote.

Every single politician gives lip service to the idea that voting is one of the most valuable things any American has. Then right wing politicians turn around and put enormous effort into denying, infringing and harassing, virtually outlawing voters whom they don’t think will vote for them.

They lie, obfuscate and physically block voters, especially poor and minority voters from the polls. They do this by making the rules to vote so onerous that they can’t be met by the average voter who the republicans wish to harass, or they make getting to a polling place all most impossible for most of these voters. Witness Dodge city Kansas where the only polling place was moved Out of the city so that voters had no opportunity to get to the polling place. A judge agreed that this was wrong, but oh well...to late to do anything about it because...well...confusion ya know.

Enough is enough, there is no voter fraud going on. Period. There are no prisons filled with fraudulent voters. Period. There are no hoards of illegal voters running amok. Period.

There is election fraud, encouraged by republicans and their sycophants, voter intimidation, obfuscation, obstruction, lies and physical attacks. All against democrats and their supporters.

It’s time to end this now. All national offices must be controlled by federal law when it comes to voter ID. Period. Any attempt by a politician or other official to prevent voters from exercising their right to vote must be met with swift criminal charges, felony charges.

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Disenfranchisement needs to become a criminal offense. (Original Post) Augiedog Nov 2018 OP
Yep. Iggo Nov 2018 #1
Absolutely right--I could not agree more. CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2018 #2
Definitely agree. flor-de-jasmim Nov 2018 #3
Agreed! It should also be classified as a Hate Crime. jcmaine72 Nov 2018 #4
In trying to report election fraud in CA you would think that the AG would explore legal action on diva77 Nov 2018 #5
Crimes Against Democracy moondust Nov 2018 #6
Agree but with one caveat: Qutzupalotl Nov 2018 #7
I was thinking the same, but do you know defacto7 Nov 2018 #12
You can if you make it about civil rights infringement and not election related. grantcart Nov 2018 #20
I'll sign that petition to make take it to our assembly (lege). nt Ilsa Nov 2018 #8
We need the Voting Rights Act back NastyRiffraff Nov 2018 #9
Absolutely, and amended to have serious consequences, both financial and criminal. alwaysinasnit Nov 2018 #13
Agree mountain grammy Nov 2018 #10
In Federal elections there should be a presumption of eligibility, state must prove ineligibility. Shrike47 Nov 2018 #11
This! FakeNoose Nov 2018 #17
Hear, hear! defacto7 Nov 2018 #14
Agree 100%. All types of willful election interference. Hortensis Nov 2018 #15
Damn straight, with a criminal charge that is as equal to voting twice. TheBlackAdder Nov 2018 #16
K&R JudyM Nov 2018 #18
K&R, no matter what it we can't vote in numbers we fail uponit7771 Nov 2018 #19
And add a class action liability for organizations like ALEC that propagate the conspiracy grantcart Nov 2018 #21

jcmaine72

(1,773 posts)
4. Agreed! It should also be classified as a Hate Crime.
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 02:02 PM
Nov 2018

Mandatory 20 year sentence in a federal prison at least.

diva77

(7,629 posts)
5. In trying to report election fraud in CA you would think that the AG would explore legal action on
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 02:02 PM
Nov 2018

behalf of citizens, but it turns out that the AG will just defend the elections official(s) - at least that was what we were told at the time a few years ago. If citizens want to do anything about it, they have to hire their own lawyers and then, ironically, their tax dollars pay to defend the accused.

Qutzupalotl

(14,286 posts)
7. Agree but with one caveat:
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 02:08 PM
Nov 2018

States control elections. That’s baked into the system. A federal approach is not the way to go here. Rather, we should take a page from ALEC’s playbook and introduce model legislation for these reforms in all 50 states.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
12. I was thinking the same, but do you know
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 04:31 PM
Nov 2018

that it's not possible for state controlled elections to be governed by a federal law on this issue? We used to have the voting rights act.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
9. We need the Voting Rights Act back
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 04:23 PM
Nov 2018

It was enacted exactly to prevent the voter suppression attempts we're seeing now. Yes, I agree it should be criminal, but while we had the VRA we didn't see this kind of wholesale disenfranchisement.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
11. In Federal elections there should be a presumption of eligibility, state must prove ineligibility.
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 04:30 PM
Nov 2018

And felony charges for intentionally denying right to vote.

FakeNoose

(32,579 posts)
17. This!
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 04:49 PM
Nov 2018

I'm no Constitutional scholar but I've been saying this for years. The GOP has usurped our rights for long enough. Too many states are playing along when it suits them.



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. Agree 100%. All types of willful election interference.
Sat Nov 3, 2018, 04:34 PM
Nov 2018

Further, punishment should be proportional to responsibility of position and/or egregiousness of interference. The grave misuse of power of someone like Secretary of State Brian Kemp in Georgia should call for decades in prison.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
21. And add a class action liability for organizations like ALEC that propagate the conspiracy
Sun Nov 4, 2018, 02:07 AM
Nov 2018

Several hundred million dollar judgements against the Republican Party will get their attention

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